oh the wrong one, i just don't know any yes to shape out the same because the attitude and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves well the part we choose to look so common ground ah, could i to miss nathan history with them? boston, do i need them? grab it, monsieur ward with key at the when washington's keep the process is to be do molly complete with it? well spoke with of christ opponents in the whole could i get you what you've been with she

would she used to betsy professional lithium to work the prevalence of all i get what they use because that will be difficult. ah ah ah ah hello and welcome to cross hoc were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle my what a few days in some missiles can make rushes retaliation to the attack on the crimea bridge was focused and deadly will care and its western handlers. now think twice before engaging in more sabotaged and terrorist assaults. the choice is there's

ah cross fucking flipping the script, i'm joined by my guess tom longo in north florida. he is publisher of the gold goats in guns blog and newsletter in tulsa. we have jeremy cars motto, he is managing editor of colbert action magazine and in washington state we crossed to andre magdalena. he is a writer as well as a military and political analysts. all right, cross off rules and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. ok, want to start with andre in washington state. andre, can you, can you clear up a misunderstanding? i keep hearing about them. i thought the russia had no more ammunition, didn't have any missiles. they were relying upon china to, to re replenish stocks and they need a rainy and drones and then all the sudden yesterday and today happen. can you explain this to me on today? first is marriage you because they need to from all this matter to washing

backwards. you know, really good people who oversee are going to be destroyed because of the lack of mcdonald's and i falls. and secondly, as i restated and it's in my books, it's everywhere. i write about it for years as a home is the fact that they don't study the country as our state of dead being military in economically. what have you, what are the aspects of that state activity. they simply don't know. those who know those on all down law allowed to have day you book and that's why we have this issue. one big existence. i'm kind of the informational bubble echo chamber and that's what it is. i mean, no matter how you try to reasonably those people who can reason, but they don't understand the limits. they go to tom tom that because this is a big surprise, you know, the, you know,

we always have to point out in this program is that when you have a bad narrative, you get bad results. ok, and this is result of this of net, this narrative. the, the interesting question is going to be is, will care with the backing of the u. s. continue with the sabotage events like the nord stream, i like the crimean bridge because you now they know what the reaction of the russians is going to be the question i want to ask all of you before the program is over. why didn't this happen? or after february 24th, but maybe that's a moot point. tom, go ahead. well, when i say peters that they've opened up a can of worms that they are, that now is, is very dangerous right now. civilian infrastructure in international waters is open is fair game. they've gotten, i think they, i'll be honest with you. i think the u. s. i think it's more the brits in the polls than it is. the u. s. is probably a mixture of all of them with the u. s. having plausible deniability or at least factions within the us, every possible deniability where we're behind all the stuff. and like to me it's

very clear that they want the war. they want to an a wider war, but not sure on what terms they want that wider, where they just want to be able to get to eat. and the russians to over react to whatever provocation, you know, they keep punching the rushes in the face. and they keep hoping that the russians as they are i us enough. and we're just gonna live here, which then gives us the though the west gives them the moral high ground to say, okay, now it's time to take on rush. well, it by tom that, that's, that works under the assumption that, you know, i've been playing with this, who's got the time and who's got the clocks. oh, and again, they keep showing that the russians have both jeremy, i mean, it's really quite remarkable. yeah. okay. maybe the brit and maybe the poles. of course the americans know about it. but isn't it kind of pathetic when you think about it? is it okay? let's do another sabotage event, but it's not the u. k. that sabotage. it's not. poland itself, it does. it's not the you, it's ukraine. i mean, with these kind of friends,

ukraine is good to run out of people and land. very, very quickly. jeremy jump in. well, yeah, i think ultimately grained and buying their own destruction. and you know, they, they've carried out massive atrocities and terrorist activities. car bombings within russia. busy i think us intelligence admitted that ukraine was behind, that somehow they're able to sustain some kind of moral high ground. you know, it's one thing that i like to see people waving ukrainian flags and have the cranium flag in their house when it's a. busy government that was voted one of the most corrupt in europe is not the world that carries a brazen terrorist activities. and that basically. busy so that's interest as a country to these foreign powers. you have a very pernicious agenda playing a very dangerous game as the other 2 guess, pointed out. yeah, because it has nothing to do with ukraine and all has to do about somehow degrading rushes power, humiliating,

and miss. we have seen this playbook for 30 years since the end of the cold war on the is the special military operation in play? is it special military operation plus, i mean it's very clear to me because we have the partial mobilization how and then we had these barrage of attacks, of course of 2 days is the same military strategy and play go ahead. yeah. oh absolutely, absolutely. don't forget that the planning goes north jobs online . you have to develop the decision free. one plan miller drop, right? and or if you'll forward it to reject area of the combined and especially united states or gotten more and more ration bruster. and the russians have to basically dial to be what it after it's off without the partial novelization. and basically, as you do, the joplin strapped a job which got on for the last 48 hours and it will continue. so once you have

your domain name from pollution germination, it's relatively easy if you look at it from the point of view of the nation. all this bay door based on back room to meet your political body to call being over off of the day is basically all united states from, from your region the country. now mass. everybody's pretty pulled your all those ways. it's working just you're all sold bought. so it's not just new address. why would people also forget the larger your political issue? this is actually the issue between there you have to go. molly's will be defeated, which is scaffolding as being or after walking around the box. so it's nothing that has enough views and still basic regular, severe you know, it's how much when the special military operation was announced,

the the 2 goals were denied. vacation anemic. demilitarization, i think as a result of the last couple of days, we couldn't crow when d electric is ation as well. i mean, basically turning out the lights, which it showed to be quite re, easy to do at very low cost and low cost in lives as well. tom. yeah, and i, this is the further what andre was saying, i agree, and that this is an economic war as much as is a military war. and it's very clear that as it's political war as well. and i been saying to be any of this that it's always was meant to be a, a war of attrition on both sides and that their shock and awe on, on both sides of the. so we had little shocking off from the russians yesterday with a massive missile attack. we had shocking off in the americans and europeans with sanctions attacks back february, march. and now the question is, who's you know, whose political will, as andrea we're finding out who's political will at home, whose photo um, support at home is going to run out 1st is are going to be the west source is going

to be prudent. my bet is that it's going to be the west. i agree with that terry logical because jeremy mean um, this is not of any real strategic value to the united states, even to even to western europe. i mean, but it is russia's back yard or front porch, whatever you want to put it, it is of great national importance that are defense. and so that's why i think that they would have much longer resolved. and i think over the last 2 days we've seen that's the most important word that comes to my mind to resolve this thing. so this phase started on the 24th of february and it will be continued till completion, jeremy 1000000000. i think you also look at the economic situation in europe. i mean, the sabotage and stream pipeline adversely affects europe with these guy, rocketing gas prices and heating crisis, heading into the winter and tearing economic conditions. i think you're going to see, you know, potential. busy unrest in europe and already there, i think, divisions, we see that in germany. gerhard schroeder, been strongly against

a lot of the german policies, more toward cooperation with russia and against the war. so i think we're already seeing a break in europe, especially related to the tearing or turing economic situation. and it's really not in the interest of the public whether in europe or the united states. where is the russia's fighting a life or death struggle and has tangible security interest. busy so i think the publics are going to wake up soon and have been so much deception in western governments about this conflict that just like a rack. i mean, we're just waiting for the bubble burst and more people to acknowledge the hollow of deception at play. you know, under, if it's so curious who are watching politicians in europe react to all what's going on. i mean, we had a french energy official coming out and saying the americans, we look at, they're charging us for, for liquid, for natural gas, you know, but they're not talking about capping american energy, but,

but only russian. and then you have german officials coming out. we're facing the industrialization, but they're all still in lock step, like zombies with this policy, it's insane watching it. go ahead tom. i'm sorry andre andre, go ahead. go ahead. andre. well, it's pretty simple. that's what people don't understand. russia has written europe off. europe is locked in, you more important washer you and complete a garage, bay doors, asia will continue, and it's actually you speaking off to base as we'll see it. so in this particular case, if europe wants to go commit suicide, which you are meeting as we speak so well, so be it. and again, as i read you stayed, are people were plotting this down as usual game is called later because they're not a real economy and certainly not competent in the issues of real war for you

get all our broad or operational planning when your basic or whole career span, or what our 30 years, your why them base read back. we're really, there is all together, some kind of insurgency in the samples where they walk and they know how to deal with something which america you look at, for example, in college are since actually, since korea. and he will dam carriers and i and i, you know, i know that i had to jump in here. gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on flipping the script state marketing ah, ah, in the russian state, who never does on the north lansky with

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labelle from and you were discussing flipping the script with let's go back to tom in north florida. tom. one of the things i find very disturbing, i mean, after the, the, the barrage of the last couple of days biden was on the phone with zalinski no surprise. and no way of continuing promising support in every way, shape or form. is that an issue of moral hazard? i mean, there's a lensky gang has every reason to keep this going on as long as possible. okay? not for the sake of the ukrainian people or whatever will at be and become a ukraine, but for their own personal gains and goals. i mean, if you got the swift numbers, you know, when they send the money, i mean, that is something, you know, that's a once in a lifetime gig and how many people would walk away from it. considering that the zelinski government is showing up a patently,

very little interest in the lives of their own soldiers in the field. go ahead tom i i, i would, would. yeah, that is a very important i think the, there's a, there's a bigger thing here than that. and that is that, that the, the by the ministration is to it is, is, is, is continuing this because that has been policy. this book, this binders been on the shelf to turn ukraine into a war zone to bleed the russians white. and this has been up on the shelf at rand corporation or were for true 20 or 30 years. i mean, this has been in the are conservatives green. assume it to get this? it's a you are never and if you will get all by disastrous purity into this like this here to council there all the, the classic you know, hawks of either the hawkers or the hawks. so this isn't going to end until they finally get the message that it's either you go nuclear, you go home and i went in and i and as far zalinski concerned, you know,

he was placed in this position to do exactly that by other people. and you know, no different than our civil bond, or i know different joe biden or anybody else. so, you know, the, the worst part about this is that the people who are doing this, it's all puppet shop in and, and where all the ones caught in the crossfire, especially the ukranian people, which the for them. finally, this war became really real. and it's unfortunate a jeremy, one of the things i think that people, mis, all the pundits tree and whatnot is that the, it'll be over. this will be over number one, when the russians decide it's over. and number 2 in the russians have decided that better security interest been met. so we have to go all the way back to december 17th, which is a, from the history for both people on cable and in the broad sheets. but it was laid out very clearly what russia expected and, and then we had the, the, the, the, the page of the operation because this has been going on for 8 years now, not just 8 months. and russia will say, because they don't,

nobody in the west wants to negotiate. ok, they made that decision, burrell made that decision. and so when russia will say, well, we're done because we have our security interests have been met. nobody in the west seems to be thinking in those terms. go ahead, jeremy. i think tom, but clearly that the neo conservatives want to bleed the russians. and they have this dream that they've been dreaming up for a long time. so they want this to go on indefinitely and they're going to continue arming the ukrainians. and they'll, even if it's over, they're going to carry out low intensity warfare of some kind and continued to try and probably, you know, attack or. busy sabotaged eastern ukraine or even territories, even if they're incorporated into russia, i mean, we see what they're doing crimea and the one bridge. so i don't know this could gone for a long, long time, given those interests. tom pointed to yeah,

but i mean on that i like thing about what jeremy just said there. i mean, they're just certain a certain number of ukrainians. ok. there's a certain number amount of infrastructure. i mean, if they want to continue this on, i suppose you know, the actual have to respond to it, but i mean, this is diminishing returns, ok, diminished. and at one point, and if the west, the collective west wants to continue doing this, they also will be considered an official co belligerent. and that's when we go down the, the path of, of a true destruction for everyone involved. go ahead, andre. well, when you have to also give their cognizant of the fact that while your phones are very hawkish and basically what i, why it is their administration of bias nutrition that results for me. that 1st, you do not forget that a lot of things which russia is doing right now. they're very much of dined dual for they need trumps or is already strong car and so to speak in the u. s.

policy would, for example, republicans, many of them i'm not talking about the right size such needs are grandma, you know, cotton by many people don't want to do this anymore. so if we are cause why in all themselves, they cannot build this, they need to have the access to the lee of ours of power. but the wiring is united states as long as strong here. combined west is more strongly agree on for a new day. it is military and trophy, is there stream, or there was actually despite money as a ha, pointing this out actually was diminish, not increasing because united states simply has nothing more to deal, so to speak. and it will continue. yes. is diminishing return and in day and it's opera will decide when and will conditions. she wants to be an issue. and

i'm going to need a statement of 3 days are long about unconditional. a generation willow walks differently, the claims honor and tom, it meant we are. and we heard the andre mentioned the mid terms here. i mean, it seems to me such a no brainer. i mean, this is biden's war because it was something that, you know, the obama people started. and obama people, i'm, the biting people have continued. this is a no brainer to say, this is biden's war. it's very, very expensive. we're getting negative returns here. but the, the, it still remains very bipartisan on an elite level, but if you further you go down most, you know, j d back to saying, you know, i don't care about ukraine. i lot of people feel that way in the united states. a lot of people feel that way. ok, i mean if, if a conservative, because i hate the g o p. but if conservatives, i want to make a statement here and say this is not our wor, it's a we has nothing to do with us. we don't gain anything, we only lose thing and it's the arms dealers to do best. what's wrong with that?

because that's a strategy. go ahead tom. it's some, it's, it's part of the strategy. at this point the, the democrats are on autopilot. they understand that they're there, they're acting like a party that they know they're going to lose. the midterm is desperately. if you want my, my scariest prediction, it's that they're now really feeling the heat of all of their mistakes while since by this taken office. and again, it goes back to the point i made earlier that someone desperately wants this war escalated in order to upset in order to change fundamentally the entire applecart of the, the west. and i'm, and what i mean by that is we're headed towards a financial crisis where also at the same time, they need a war to cover their insolvency and their political losses. good point. and so the russians won't give it to them. the russians keep responding for, in effect, proportionally by not expanding this war in any way, be on their boards and continue to wait. and if it and then and causing that,

the crazies, i think in m, i 62, and to continue to intensify the number, the, the, the, the punches in the mouth that they're willing to give the russians in order to try and force him to do something he doesn't want to do and very patiently saying, nope, we're just not going to give you the where you want. and he's, i think, holding off until after the midterm elections, it would be, it would be dumb for him to do that. given what's going to have given the, the political situation, you can read the polls in the united states that there is no consensus for war with the ukraine. but if he gives us a reason for it, right, a has a spell on then the, the whole game board changes. it's clearly that's the strategy right now by the ministration, whitehall, brussels and everybody. jeremy, it's so short sighted because andres already pointed out our program is that i see a real breach a breach that will not be mended with russia in europe. it's is over that the peter,

the great dream of working with europe is finally the 300 year journey is finally come to an end because it's just one big headache. okay. you sign agreements, you don't honor them. you know, men, yes, we agree. it all of this, you know, we want the, a pipeline north stream and then, you know, one of your friends blows it up, ok, what these people are paid in the neck. ok. and without cheap russian energy, their productivity is worthless. why do you want to deal with these people, jeremy? go ahead. i mean, i think we're seeing a major power shift gets in earlier point about this kind of back for further on the west, because yeah, russia is 40 very strong block with east with china. and a lot of countries are joining around is now involved with this lions raking economic deals. and you know, china, one belt, one road initiative has really helped a lot of countries. so we're seeing in the east is growing much stronger. and this is kind of the nightmare of the neo conservatives in anyways. busy the senior china

allies with russia is becoming a very strong alliance and the power really is shifting in their direction because of the. busy follies of us and western policies over generations now and a self destructive nature of those all is so i think the world is starting to look a lot different. yeah, it's absolutely folly andre, you know, the way western median pundents always like to describe the rushes isolated and it has no friends. and, you know, it's really interesting on the rest of the world sees this. they see the following . russia is taking on entire collective west and it's not losing. and it, it is most likely, very likely, i'm sure it will win russia took on the entire collector. but the entire post colonial power is and you know what, this, the global south is in all and the chinese are watching very, very carefully. well, are you all in my for

a few years ago, and i'm writing this long substance, 14 and early in talking to june, i wrote that united states getting in the wall in your brain or the war is sustained. the defeat don't reduce the downwash. that's what will be the shape of the barber, right? no worries. you can see that there's so much greed that it's difficult. do you want explain or elaborate for several hours on there, but it is clear there. yes. world all this respected power and roger graves, the power and there's all, that's what people see, including those one. this will gold, gold pictures all the high level. you're lying there. old said roger. and that's their civil most people except alex and so they're visuals and they can

see. yeah, well they just thing is the wesley why wants to export woke as him, but russia gives an example of, of power and red and resolute determination. right? gentlemen, that's all the time we have on it. i think my guess in north florida, tulsa, and in washington state. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember across the the oh, when i was showing wrong, when i was just a shave out disdain becomes the advocate and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds

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