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cross hawking flipping the script. i'm joined by my guess tom. the one go in north florida. he is publisher of the gold goats in guns blog and newsletter and tulsa. we have jeremy cars motto, he is managing editor of covert action magazine and in washington state we cross to andre multi on the. he is a writer as well as a military and political analyst. all right, cross type rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. ok, i want to start with andre in washington, said, andre, can you, can you clear up a misunderstanding? i keep hearing about them. i thought the russia had no more ammunition, didn't have any missiles. they were relying upon china to, to re replenish stocks and they need a rainy and drones and then all the sudden yesterday, and today happen. can you explain this to me on today? first, it's merrick you because they need to promote this never to washington backwards, you know, bringing people who are going to be destroyed because of their lack of mcdonalds

and i falls in 7 stages and it's in my books, it's everywhere. i write about it for years now, is the fact that there don't study to country as our state or the military and economic theory? what? what are the aspects of that state? are they simply don't know those who know goals on all down walk out there? you go, that's why we want to know how kind of the informational bible, cham bar. that's what it is. i mean, no matter how you try to reason those people can reasonably understand that they go to tom tom because this is a big surprise. you know, they, you know, we always have to point out in this program is that when you have a bad narrative, you get bad results. ok, and this is result of this narrative. the interesting question is going to be is,

will care with the backing of the us continue with the sabotage events like the nord stream, like the cried me in bridge because you now they know what the reaction of the russians is going to be the question i want to ask all of you before the program is up. why didn't this happen or after february 24th, but maybe that's a moot point. tom, go ahead. well, when i say peters that they've opened up a can of worms that they are. that now is, is very dangerous right now. civilian infrastructure in international waters is open is fair game they've gotten, i think they, i'll be honest with you. i think the u. s. i think it's more the brits in the polls than it is. the u. s. is probably a mixture of all of them with the u. s. having fossil to my ability, orderly factions within the u. s. having causal deniability where we're behind all this stuff. and like to me it's very clear that they want the war. they want a, an, a wider war,

but they're not sure on what terms they want that wider war. they just want to be able to get to eat and the russians to overreact to whatever provocation, you know, they keep punching the rushes in the face. and they keep hoping that the russians as they are i us enough. and we're just in a nuclear, which then gives us the though the west gives them the moral high ground to say ok now assigned to take on rush. well it by tom that, that's, that works under the assumption that, you know, i've been playing with this. who's got the time and who's got the clocks. oh and, and again, they keep showing that the russians have both jeremy, i mean, it's really quite remarkable. yeah. okay. maybe the brit and maybe the poles. of course the americans know about it. but isn't it kind of pathetic when you think about it? is it okay? let's do another sabotage event, but it's not the u. k. that sabotage. it's not poland, it's appetite. it's not the you, it's ukraine. i mean with these kind of friends, ukraine is good to run out of people and land. very, very quickly. jeremy jump in. well, yeah, i think ultimately ukraine inviting their own destruction and you know, they,

you know, they've carried out massive atrocities and terrorist activities. car bombings within russia. busy i think us intelligence admitted that ukraine was behind. somehow they're able to sustain some kind of moral high ground. that's one thing. i like to see people waving ukrainian flags and have the cranium flag in their house when it's a government that was voted. one of the most corrupt in europe is not the. busy world that carries a brazen terrorist activities. and that basically, sol, that's interest as a country to these foreign powers who have a very pernicious agenda. playing a very dangerous game as the other 2 guess, pointed out. yeah, because it has nothing to do with ukraine. it all has to do about somehow degrading rushes, power, humiliating, and miss. we have seen this playbook for 30 years since the end of the cold war on the is the special military operation in play? is it special military operation?

plus, i mean it's very clear to me because we have the partial mobilization how and then we had these barrage of attacks of a course of 2 days. it's the same military strategy and play. go ahead. yeah. oh absolutely, absolutely. don't forget that the planning goes nor jobs online . you have to develop the decision 311 little reparations, and, or if your forwarded or object area or the combined. and especially united states or got that will be more and more ration for cedar. and the russian capital basically dial $211.00. and after talk with the partial novelization, basically as you do, the job strapped a job which got on for the last 48 hours and it will continue. so once you have the domain name from and i'm a nation,

it's relatively easy if you look at it from the point of view of the nation. all this bay don't be separated from back to me. your political, political game over off of the day is basically all, you know, these beds are wrong from your region. the country now mass. everybody's pretty. euro is always ways. it's working just euro full block. so it's not just new address, why would people get a larger your political issue and this is actually easier goodwill there. you've developed all these and will be defeated, which is scaffolding the or i should walk around, you know, but so it's nothing but gotcha has enough views and still basically severe it. tom, when the special military operation was announced, the, the 2 goals were denot vacation in the mid demilitarization, i think as a result of the last couple of days we couldn't throw in di electric as ation as

well. i mean, basically turning out the lights, which is shown to be quite easy to do at very low cost and low cost in lives as well. tom. yeah, and i, this is the further what andre was saying, i agree. and that this is an economic war as much as is a military war, and it's very clear that as it's political war as well. and i been saying to be any of this that it's always was meant to be a, a war of attrition on both sides. and that their shock and awe on, on both sides of the so we had little shocking off in the russians yesterday with a massive missile attack. we had shocking off in the americans and the europeans with sanctions, the tax back february, march. and now the question is, who's you know, who's political will, as andrea would pointed out, who's political will at home? who's photo um, support at home is going to run out 1st is are going to be the west source is going to be prudent. my bet is that it's going to be the west. hello. i agree with that very logical because jeremy mean, um,

this is not of any real strategic value to the united states, even to even to western europe. i mean, but it is russia's back yard or front porch whenever you want to put it. it is of great national importance that are defense and so that's why i think that they would have much longer resolved. and i think over the last 2 days we've seen that's the most important word that comes to my mind to resolve this thing. so this phase started on the 24th of february and it will be continued till completion. jeremy, really, and i think you also look at the economic situation in europe. i mean the sabotage and urge dream pipeline adversely affects europe with these guy, rocketing gas prices and heating crisis, heading into the winter and tearing economic conditions. i think you're going to see, you know, potential unrest in europe and already there, i think divisions, you know, we see that in germany. gerhard schroeder, been strongly against a lot of the german policies, more toward cooperation with russia and against the war. so i think we're already

seeing a break in europe, you know, especially related to tearing or turing economic situation. and it's really not the interest of the public, whether in europe or the united states, where is the rushes fighting a life or death struggle. busy and has tangible security interest. busy so i think the publics are going to wake up soon and have been so much deception and western governments about this conflict that just like a rack. i mean, we're just waiting for the bubble burst and more people to acknowledge the hall of national deception. that's why you know, under, if it's so curious who are watching politicians in europe react to all what's going on. i mean, we had a french energy official coming out and thing the americans we look at, they're charging us for, for liquid, for natural gas, you know, but they're not talking about capping american energy, but, but only russian. and then you have german officials coming up. we're facing the industrialization, but they're all still in lock step, like zombies with this policy, it's been saying,

watching it. go ahead tom. i'm sorry, i'm sorry andre andre, go ahead. go ahead and re. well, it's pretty simple. that's what many people doing on the spam. russia has origin, you're all you're is locked in, you more important for sure. you and deb complete orientation towards bay doors, asia will continue and is actually speaking to base as we'll see it. so in this particular case, if europe wants to commit suicide, which you are meeting as we speak so well, so be it. and again, is that right? you stayed, or people who worked learning based. and as usual game is called later, because they're not a real economy and certainly not competent issues of real warfare, you get all our ballpark original planning when your basic, her whole career and what our 30 years you,

why them base read back work really. there is all together, some kind of insurgency in the samples where they walk and they know how to deal with something which american, you look at, for example, in college are since actually, since korea. and he will dam carriers. and i know, you know, i know that i had to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on flipping the scripts thing. ah ah ah, welcome back to cross like we're all things considered. i'm peter the bill to remind you we're discussing flipping the script. ah,

let's go back to tom in north florida. tom. one of the things i find very disturbing, i mean, after the, the, the barrage of the last couple of days biden was on the phone with zalinski no surprise. and, you know, a continuing promising support in every way, shape or form is not an issue of moral hazard. i mean, there's a lensky gang has every reason to keep this going on as long as possible. okay. not for the sake of the ukrainian people or whatever will at be and become a ukraine, but for their own personal gains and goals. i mean, if you got the swift numbers, you know, when they send the money, i mean, that is something, you know, that's a once in a lifetime gig and how many people would walk away from it. considering that the zelinski government is shown up a patently very little interest in the lives of their own soldiers in the field. go ahead tom i i, i would, would. yeah, that is a very important i think the, there's a, there's a bigger thing here than that. and that is that, that the,

the by the ministration is to, is, is, is continuing this because that has been policy. this book, this binders been on the shelf to turn ukraine into a war zone to bleed the russians white. and this has been up on the shelf at rand corporation or where through 20 or 30 years. i mean, this has been in the, or conservatives drain a suit it to get this. it's a, you're never and if you will get all biden's nation's fury into this, like this here to council there all the, the classic, you know, hawks, you the hawkish of the hoss. so this isn't gonna end until they finally get the message that it's either you go nuclear, you go home and i want it. and i and as far zalinski concerned, you know, he was placed in this position to do exactly that by other people. and in a no different than ourselves on providing the different joe biden or anybody else . so, you know, the, the worst part about this is that the people who are doing this,

it's all puppet shop in and, and where all the ones caught in the crossfire, especially the ukranian people, which the for them. finally, this war became really real. and it's unfortunate jeremy, one of the things i think that people miss from all the pond in tree and what not, is that the, it'll be over this will be over now or one when the russians decide it's over. and number 2 and the russians have decided that better security interest been met. so we have to go all the way back to december 17th, which is a, from the history for both people on cable and in the broad sheets. but it was laid out very clearly what russia expected and, and then we had the, the, the pace of the operation. because this has been going on for 8 years now, not just 8 months. and russia will say, because they don't, nobody in the west wants to negotiate. ok, they made that decision, burrell made that decision. and so when russia will say, well, we're done because we have our security interests have been met. nobody in the west

seems to be thinking in those terms. go ahead, jeremy bel, yeah, i think tom, but clearly that the neoconservative want to bleed the russians. and they have this dream that they've been dreaming up for a long time. so they want this to go on indefinitely and they're going to continue arming the ukrainians. and they'll, even if it's over, they're going to carry out low intensity warfare of some kind and continued to try and probably, you know, attack or. busy sabotaged eastern ukraine or even territories, even if they're incorporated into russia, i mean, we see what they're doing crimea and the one bridge. so i don't, you know, this could gone for a long, long time, given those interest. tom pointed to yeah, but i mean on that i like thing about what jeremy just said they're, i mean they're just certain a certain number of ukrainians. ok. there's a certain number amount of infrastructure. i mean, if they want to continue this on, i suppose you know, the actual have to respond to it, but i mean, this is diminishing returns, ok,

diminished. and at one point, and if the west, the collective west wants to continue doing this, they also will be considered an official co belligerent. and that's when we go down the, the path of, of a true destruction for everyone involved. go ahead, andre. well, when you have to also give their cognizant skill the fact that while you know phones are very hawkish and basically what are, what is their administration of badness, nutrition that results for me, that for us, you do not forget that a lot of things which russia is doing right now, they're very much of dined dual for the need trumps or is already strong car and so to speak in the u. s. policy with for example, republicans, many of them i'm talking about the right us, such as means or grandma, you know, on cotton by many people don't want to do this anymore. so if we are cause why in

all of themselves, they cannot build this, they need to have the access to the of ours of power. but the winds, yes, united states, as long as strong here combined west is not the strong a new day. it is military and trophy, is there stream over there was actually despite money as a ha boynton this out actually was diminish, not increasing because united states simply has nothing more to deal, so to speak and it will continue. yes. is diminishing return and in day and it's opera will decide when a condition she wants to be an issue. and a statement of 3 days are long about unconditional for generation willow walked differently, the claims honor and tom it met,

we are and we heard the andre mentioned the mid terms here. i mean, it seems to me such a no brainer. i mean, this is biden's war because it was something that, you know, the obama people started. and obama, people a bite and people have continued. this is a no brainer to say, this is biden's war. it's very, very expensive. we're getting negative returns here. but the, the, it still remains very bipartisan on an elite level, but if you further you go down most, you know, j d van to saying, you know, i don't care about ukraine. i lot of people feel that way in the united states. a lot of people feel that way. ok, i mean, if it conservatives because i hate the g o p. but if conservatives, i want to make a statement here and say this is not our wor, it's a we has nothing to do with us. we don't gain anything, we only lose thing and it's the arms dealers to do best. what's wrong with that? because that's a strategy. go ahead tom. it's some, it's, it's part of the strategy. at this point the, the democrats are on autopilot. they understand that they're there, they're acting like a party that they know they're gonna lose the midterm is desperately. if you want

my, my scariest prediction, it's that they're now really feeling the heat of all of their mistakes while since by this taken office. and again, it goes back to the point i made earlier that someone desperately wants this war escalated in order to upset in order to change fundamentally the entire applecart of the, the west. and i'm, and what i mean by that is we're headed towards a financial crisis where also at the same time, they need a war to cover their insolvency and their political losses. good point. and so the russians won't give it to the russians. keep responding for, in effect, proportionally by not expanding this war in any way, be on their boards and continuing to wait and to a fit and causing that, the crazies, i think in for a m, i 6 to and to continue to intensify the number, the, the the, the, the punches on the mouth that they're willing to give the russians in order to try

and force put in to do something he doesn't want to do. it is very patiently saying, no, we're just not going to give you the war he want. and he's, i think, holding off until after the mid term elections because it would be, it would be dumb for him to do that. given what's going to have given the, the political situation. you can read the polls in the united states, that there is no consensus for war with ukraine, but if he gives us a reason for it, right, a has a spell on then the, the whole game board changes. it's clearly that's the strategy right now by the ministration, whitehall, brussels, and everybody. jeremy, it's so short sighted because andres already pointed out our program is that i see a real breach, a breach that will not be mended with russia in europe. it's is over. there's the peter, the great dream of working with europe is finally the 300 year journey is finally come to an end because it's just one big headache. okay. you sign agreements, you don't honor them. you know, men, yes, we agree. and all of this, you know,

we want the pipeline north stream and then, you know, one of your friends blows it up, ok, what these people are, a pain in the neck. ok. and without cheap, wretched energy, their productivity is worthless. why do you want to deal with these people, jeremy? go ahead. i mean, i think we're seeing a major power shift. it gets to an earlier point about this kind of back for further on the worse, because yeah, russia is 40, very strong. busy block with east with china, and a lot of countries are joining around is now involved with this lions raking economic deals. and you know, china, one belt, one road initiative is really helped a lot of countries. so we're seeing in the east is growing much stronger and this is kind of the nightmare. busy of the neo conservatives in any ways. busy the senior china allies with russia, it's becoming a very strong. busy alliance and the power really is shifting in their directions because of the. busy follies of us and western policies over generations now and

the self destructive nature of those all is so i think the world is starting to look a lot different. yeah, it's absolutely folly andre, you know, the way western median pundents always like to describe the rushes isolated and it has no friends. and, you know, it's really interesting on the rest of the world sees this. they see the following . russia is taking on entire collective west and it's not losing. and it, it is most likely, very likely, i'm sure it will win russia took on the entire collector, but the entire post colonial powers. and you know what, this, the global south is in all, and the chinese are watching very, very carefully. well, are all in my 1st few years ago. and i'm writing their small sub since 2014. and our early 2015 are old, that united states getting in the wall in your brain

a lot the war. now it's standard defeat. yeah. dollar d like will reduce down. was that what will be the shape of this if you box right? no worries. you can see that, and there's so much read that it's difficult to explain or elaborate for several hours on that bucket is clear there. yes, world, all this respected power and russia demonstrates the power in brazil. and that's what people see, including those wonderful or pictures all the high level flying. they're all kate, russia. and that's very simple. most people except reality visuals. and they can see it will be interesting as the wesley well, once the export woke isn't but russia gives an example of, of power and, and resolute determination. all right, gentlemen, that's all the time we have wanted to get. thank my guests in north florida, tulsa,

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