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has done something without being forced by the public. personally, i've seen for the 1st time in my life that we have a satellite, bob up next is peter lavelle on course. so and union o'neill will be here. the seat is the stories of the hour. i'm right. hm. army, was he all an excellent day with with ah, ah

hello and welcome to cross stock, were all things are considered on peter lavelle every once in a while the mask slips. nato secretary general sultan burg said the obvious one saying if putin wins, this is not only a big defeat for the ukrainians, but it will be the defeat and dangerous or assault. yes, nato is at war with russia so much for the claim of being a defense of alliance ah, cross sucking nato's war, i'm joined by my guest nichol. i petro in kingston. he is professor of political science at the university of rhode island in jersey city. we have sarah founder's, she is co director of international action center. her upcoming book is sanctions a wrecking ball in a global economy. and in mount jackson, we have karen about koski. she is a retired united states air force lieutenant colonel who served both an essay and

the office of secretary of defense. are a crosswalk rose in effect. that means you can jump in in time you want and i always appreciate nickel. i like to return to what tuttleton bird said, i'm going to repeat it here, a military victory for russia and ukraine, which fell defeat for the entire western alliance. well, i mean, that's saying the obvious though, nato continues continues as 8 is not a co belligerent. and it is not a rush is not there, it's not in the military conflict with russia. but by saying that de facto, it's true. and i would say on this side of the pond, a lot of people believe exactly the same thing. that's why the stakes are so high. go ahead mic like i agree with you completely and like you said, what else is new? but that, that's why rhetoric has become more and more i would say clearly and he western identifying the west as the primary and hagi this

to russia here. and i think because of these kinds of statements by leading western politicians, his assessment has also become more widely accepted if not in the west than throughout the rest of the world. ok, well sarah, essentially the same thing because it would when we see we'll look at, for example, political reporting here, nato eyes 10 year plan for ukraine. i mean, they're talking what the next 10 years, instead of the next 10 days, the next 10 weeks here. i mean, this all gives them all more reason for the russians to say, you know, the using ukraine as a surrogate is a proxy against russia is all the more real. and that, that nato is not going to cease and desist that it's not going to look at the facts on the ground. it's not seriously going to talk about negotiations. i mean, this is quite extraordinary. go ahead, sir. well, nato is committed. it exists for the attempt to destroy russia,

to dismember russia, to impose regime change. so they can loo, russia, that is the purpose of nato. so yes, ukraine is, is a proxy and so are all the other new members of nato and nato, from its very founding 1949 when it was committed to the destruction of the soviet union. it exists as really a criminal alliance of pirates and looters in an effort to destroy the russia today and earlier. so we shouldn't be surprised that they're using the ukraine as a proxy and they have no intention of ending. it won't come from a nato decision to end this war. karen and that war may become at a certain point and they can't pursue it. they've been really set back. that

doesn't mean they will stop. other attempts to other countries. i'm sure they won't stop here. here and if we can put it into context here, i mean, if you look in american foreign policy, what is the strategic value of ukraine? i mean, it's never been, all of a sudden it is. and i would even say in a european context that ukraine doesn't play any planning strategic role in their security thinking. but all of a sudden it does. and this is creating a moral hazard on for both sides. i would say go ahead parents. i think i think that's right. and also if you look at the arc of it, and we will talk about nato being a proxy, it is, it is funded by the united states. okay, so it's a criminal pirate alliance. i agree with that funded and managed for the most part by the united states. so it is, it is a u. s. actor in many ways. and if i was a european, i would be ashamed that have a headquarters of nato there. and, and to celebrate nato because it really celebrates puppet tree. but if you look at

the longer trend all the way back to, well let's start with clinton. we could go further. but bill clinton and yugoslavia, the break up of yugoslavia what's, what's on the other side of that? well, former russian territories, and that was a nato operation. then we had invasion occupation of afghanistan. and course iraq was a nato operation as well, the rock against iran, but look at afghanistan, 20 years in afghanistan, a nato operation in many ways. and nato was part of that. why is not anywhere near europe, but it doesn't matter. it was part of it. and then we abruptly left, you know, but 19 years too late. but we left already preparation for, you know, making a new theater. and ukraine hadn't had been in place. but in the summer that we left afghan a stand, 6 months before we left, we're simultaneously working in planning for what's happening in the ukraine today . and again, yes, nato caused that united states cause that, that was, that is

a theater facilitated by the west. and russia has responded to it, in fact, in a conservative way so far. i'm really glad you said that nikolai, where we had over in the beginning of this week here and reaction to the sabotage the crime, me and bridge. and i would also say north stream is that we had 2 days of a missile barrage, essentially knocking out 30 percent of the cleaning, the electricity grid. the pain dial can go much, much higher. nobody seems to be reacting to that. ok, i mean, this is shocking, all our roofs, which is kind of pales in comparison to what the united states does when it goes into a country. but there doesn't seem to be any kind of rational reaction. it's like, oh, well, you know, we need to start putting everybody needs to start putting the brakes on these here . but it's just the opposite. that's happening. we have the g 20 coming up. why has no intention of talking to prudent? i mean, isn't this the time to talk nikolai? oh, well,

which is presidential advisor. mr. wolfe recently responded to all these statements made by the ukranian government that they would never engage in negotiations with russia. ok, by simply saying, the famous bond line never say never. and i think the assumption is that the ukrainian, the lead for all its fervor now to prosecute the war will nevertheless be forced to face reality is on the ground if the tide of war should turn visibly against them. and that i think is why we're having 2 wars conducted simultaneously. one of the actual military campaign of the progress of which as far as i can tell, is very murky and, and, and full of contradictions of the other is the propaganda war in

which the united states is, has and its allies have been able to muster. and create an artificial environment of support of roughly 90 percent for ukraine. and much of this as a study by the university of adelaide has shown much of this is artificial and created by boss. but nevertheless, it forms part of the environment which allows the west to continue to prosecute this war. well, it's interesting, karen, i'm sorry, sarah, you know, if you have bad narratives, it creates bad outcomes when it comes to policy kind of reflecting on what would nichol i just said here might be the problem i have at this point in time. if nobody wants to negotiate, then why shouldn't russia, pursuits, military goals and ukraine? i mean, there's nobody to talk to. and nobody wants to go on forever,

particularly people in russia. i can tell you that. but if there's no interlocutor, then what's the point of trying to figure out what the other guy is thinking other than the propaganda that we've been hearing here? russia will continue achieving its goals, whatever they may particularly be. go ahead, sarah. well, really, russia has no choice because although, again and again from every direction they have called for negotiations and have from the beginning. nato, which is a us commanded military force. us equipped military force in europe and far beyond has shown no interest in negotiations of any kind and stopped cold when ukraine even began to discuss negotiations. so it is u. s. policy makers who are refusing any form of negotiation and we got to take note of where the refusal is coming from the interest of us policy makers. and this is

true, republican and democrat, this is true for lately the entire u. s. establishment. they have no interest in ending this war. they are interested in dragging it out and seeing who else they can drag into it. it is absolutely pulling down the you can nomic lee and creating a normal division, an opposition and, and that is our position is important. people are making themselves heard. but the plan of the whole of the rulers of all of the decision makers is to drag this war out to drag russia in every way that they can. and so, once a war is started and, and engaged, russia has no choice, but to continue militarily until there's a real effort. it negotiation, but to very dangerous with what makes

a dangerous karen before we go to the break here is that, you know, there's this talk of nuclear weapons and i'd like to point out to our viewers that didn't come from the russian side. it came from the western side, invoking nuclear weapons, crating fear mongering as usual because this what it's being set up here is a trap to make russia over react and say, oh well we had, we something must be done is they always say here, that's where it is very dangerous here because this is brinkman ship. go ahead. karen, as it is, it is brinkman ship. and it's also preparing the propaganda landscape for the explosion accident or on purpose of some sort of nuclear weapon or weapon of mass destruction, of some sort. in preparing people to expect it so that when it happens, we will blame it on the west. we'll blame it on russian. of course, when, when in fact, it is very likely that if it happens, it will be something that we have been behind much is the north stream attacks and much is the propping up of the ukranian government over the last. i don't know how

many years. so yeah it's, it's a, it's a if there's a game being played, it brinkman's ship, it's a dangerous game and i think there be hope, you know, but, but if you know, if there is use of nuclear weapons, it's going to be in ukraine. ok. i mean, this is your ally. ok. this is what's really insane about this. the people that we will suffer the most by decision made in washington. well, actually, you know, we talk about us resisting any emergence of a multi holler world, which we know is what's behind it. we say, well, we don't russia to rise up, we don't want china to rise up. in fact, the united states also does not want b u, that's rise up, not that it would, that's got a lot of financial problems or issues. but on the, on that i'm not going there. we have, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue, our discussion on naples were staying with ah

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this, welcome back. across stock. were all things are considered on peter level to remind you we're discussing nato's war ah. okay, go back to nick. like, by last counted least that there been 8 rounds of sanctions against russia, with no discernible effect on life everyday. life here, i'd like to point out if you were involved in international finance, you got screwed. ok because of the swiss system, but other than that very, very little so far. okay. have to be careful what i say. but, you know, we see i seeds, lensky se, sending out tom demands that the u. s. underwrite its budget for this seat, for the rest of this year and all of next year. i mean, it seems to me, i'm sorry, i'm very cynical. this is a pretty good grift so yes

i, i, i was struck by an editorial in the economist magazine recently. they pointed out that while europe and the west is sinking into recession, rush is coming out of it. knowing the ideological bent of the economist, this is an extraordinary admission. and i think that it must have been very difficult for them to write something like that. i'm glad peter did. you mentioned the word brinkman ship because the, the key error here is that the personal leading the bring spin ship is in fact doing so because they think they know how far to push and when to step down. and that is not always the case, especially when your ally is in a feverish delusion about the possibility of achieving success and on

the ground militarily. the last point i want to make and i don't think isn't, is made often enough. is that on a geo political level for the west and for the united states, it strikes me as an error of colossal proportions to when you crane at the expense of losing russia. that is just the kind of trade off in geo political strategy that you never want to make and they're both very, very poorly for the future of the west. i think it, let me go to sarah. i mean, i absolutely agree with nikolai what he had just say here, but i mean, what is ukraine? i mean, what, what are they talking about? again, political so much 10 year plan for you quite. well, i don't know what ukraine is, right? they just last 4 of its regions. i mean, the more the west helps from 2014 to the present, the smaller the country gets. and, and of course, what we see the infrastructure,

the country being degraded because of this conflict here. i mean, i don't see what the price is. okay. i don't see what the price of american hegemony all through europe. if he has no productivity, what kind of prize is it? europeans will be so poor. they can't buy anything from america. i don't understand any of the economics of this here. go ahead, sarah. this war was never meant for the benefit of anyone in the ukraine. ukraine went from being the most prosperous public of the soviet union to being the poorest country of europe. after the 2014 cool, what u. s. domination and control run by a fascist really a gang of nazis meant for the ukraine was mass privatization cuts in every social program. destruction of the unions in every way alluding of the economy that was

fine by the u. s. it was their intention. and it bound ukraine. all the tighter to u. s. policy makers made them totally dependent on every handout such as afghanistan was. it's impossible to even picture the rate today of, of impoverishment in the ukraine. so ukraine is being used as a proxy force as a military force, but it's also, it's economy is under the control. but, but sarah, but garage and, but we all know, we all know that biden is sending billions and billions more the and the you has the step up with more and more euro's i think we all have a pretty good idea with that. money's going, i called the, the hunter biden effect if you know what i mean. well, it's certainly so many of the weapons that go as soon as they are over the border, they disappear. and we know there's a huge, you know, great market in this, in,

in weapons, and in the resale of weapons, and all other goods. it's not, it's, none of it is for the benefit of the people of ukraine. and even though ukraine wasn't a nato member, they were forced, their military was used and sent to ghana. stan sent to a rack where they operated under u. s. command. so it's not a question of defending ukraine or, or any thing that benefits the people. and yet this policy is a spectacular failure on the part of the us, the sanctions that they sought to impose through this have been a howling blunder. it's really boomerang back on the u. s. of course, on the e. u. even more. but the ukraine from the beginning was used and, and they want to continue to use it. yeah. well that's where we are. is round everyone. there were plenty of people in ukraine that wanted to be used and still

like being used. ok. a karen that were of nazi propaganda towards truth. our karen, you know, one of the things that, you know, there's that we can discuss this all we want, but the biggest picture is, and i guess i call it the december 17th picture rushes security demands of the west gress day a message, a note and ultimatum whatever you want to call it, to nato, and to the united states, it was completely brushed off here. but those things stand. this is i see the, the west can negotiate, not negotiate, they can arm, they can money all this, but rushes aims, if not change. they will not cease and desist until their security get demands are met. ok, that's it. okay. you can do all the all, you know, the lindsay and bogue and you can all do all that nonsense. but rushes demands have not changed. ok. and if nato exists or doesn't exist, after it's immaterial,

russia will get what it wants out of this full stop. karen? yeah, i think, i think, fundamentally that's the case. but you gotta look at why the u. s. is willing to destroy ukraine entirely. and as it's used, if you don't previously already as a tool, nothing but a tool for corruption. in fact, one of the things that was that sir didn't mention is the most corrupt nation in europe was ukraine. i mean, is a black hole for any type of corruption and government, money laundering, and that kind of thing. so that's the purpose of ukraine. it's still serving that purpose. to a great extent, i mean all the old weaponry from all the nato countries is being poured in without regard to if it works, if it doesn't work that works together. if anybody can use it, it's irrelevant. we're dumping that in that weaponry so that we can then justify to our own populations, you know, new refreshed, defense spending. meanwhile, the battlefield isn't just ukraine. it is europe, it is germany. it is hero. what you asked the question. we asked the question,

why with the u. s. want a deflated weakened dependent european continent. why would we want that? well, you know, the glory days of america were under the marshall plan to many of the thinkers that, that is on our foreign policy. they this is, this is glory days. this is the potential for a new era of american dominants globally. now, of course, their fantasies, there's no doubt, you know, we have $31.00 trillion dollars in debt that can't be paid back. you know, we're printing money. we this is not a sound dream, it's not a sound program, but it is the program that the u. s. is embracing and it and it really is. it goes beyond corrupt in idiotic it. it actually becomes a little bit on the evil side. yeah. you know, nickel, i mean, i don't want to be a history di tier, but you do remember the morgenthau plan for germany? there was a lot of, you know, d destro zation. you know i, i think that it's the morgenthau plan for the entire european continent. now

well it was i, but i forget, i think it was churchill who said the russians don't want war. they want the fruits of war. today we're talking about the same objective for the united states as the global head, your mon. and i think again bulletin is probably more correct and wrong in his analysis. world events when he says this hedge amman is going to cling to power as long as it possibly can. it's not going to go off quietly into the night. it's going to be a violent effort to claw. busy and hold on to power for as long as possible. well, i mean, nikolai, i look at it this way. you look at the crew that's in the, by the administration right now. it's the same crew from obama. ok, they look at this is all unfinished business here. i'm thinking of victoria new and

didn't people like that? it's like they see this is their last chance. one last chance to, to, you know, to humiliate russia, to pull down a few notches and, and in doing so, it in peril. i mean, we are on the brink, we've already use that word here. and it seems to be used in, in the, in the us, in a very casual way. listening to biden speak. i was terrified that a president b nodded. states would speak that way. nikolai is bizarre to me, that they are the least leader that you mentioned are appropriating the language of realism to pursue a totally unrealistic and highly ideological liberal international affairs program . and that's why we've had, i think, the intellectual opposition in the united states as a difficult time holding our political leaders to account because they're talking out of both sides of their mouth. and you don't know what they're actually thinking

. except you can intimate that perhaps it is to hold on to power for themselves. well, i mean, we can go back to the cuban missile crisis. at the end of the day, the 2 leaders to 2 governments understood each other. we're not even close to about right now. it's all the time we have one think, my guessing things in mount jackson and in jersey city. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are the see you next time? remember across ah. ah, [000:00:00;00] ah, yeah,

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ah, ah ah, thank you, get the rushes belgrade region is attacked multiple times on thursday with a massive blaze seen in a local town, while earth strike alert signed in ukraine as moscow retaliates. also ahead on the program today, saudi arabia phase. it has rejected washington to request for cut an oil production to be delayed. the postponement would have been for a month until after the u. s. mid term elections, we look at why that may be significant for keno foster way said to announce its new