so this war which is going, going on forever, and the of the funders don't as well, how is this in our interest, in what way either to spend our money. so that will actually, so our interests and so he is able to go, but they can relate to the united states, also limitless funds. americans happily do so. and the continual disaster, and when we look at a particular the state of the european economies, we just have the collapse, effectively, the collapse of the government in the united kingdom. so we've already seen collapses throughout your with major governmental changes in france and italy, or something in germany is standing. where on the brink of an absolute economic calamity, or i'm still to have to remember, i can give more to ukraine when it's currently leading. everybody to

absolute catastrophe in a martin is the you keep hearing from western leaders as long as it takes. but i think that's the wrong refrain. it's as much as it takes because i think it's beginning to sound like, i'll be honest with both of you and our viewers. i've lost count of the billions of dollars have been problems every week. more and more money is being allotted or planned to procure or whatever. i lost track the numbers, getting so big. so. so martin, i mean, it seems to me that you know, it is fundraising that the fundraising is the end. i mean, i think that's what it is. the whole point is to raise funds. martin. it was asked to be live, how to be an entrance. i mean, something you said, you don't know how much it is. i think it's about $84000000000.00. something like that so far. i don't think that can be repeated every, every few months. i mean, i think it has to be a point where western economies actually stop looking at their own situation or

when people learn crises. but also, i think sort of the question was really controlled, and all i see is, i think lensky is nowhere near as powerful, influential, or dynamic as we probably think he is, he, he's got the media sport that seems to be his job. you know, huge media, i don't believe that he's running the war. i don't think it's due to i think that's really being controlled by nature chiefs locked away on cuz somewhere. but i think they pushed the funding, throws up another question. you know, which is who's really controlling this global dynamic. you know, this, this idea that the west of nature is power was money and they're able to make change run well. who is really controlling it? we saw just recently wrote about it and offered a couple of weeks ago about how russia gcc countries, saudi arabia, m r ups. now, you know, sort of forming a sort of coalition that relationships are developing every single day and they

opec plus that's opec plus countries like something. i've been metrics very recently and decided to cut all production, know what was out of about that was really about sending a message to the american people and to biden, which is, we don't really want you around anymore. and we'd like to actually home you as much as we can at the midterm elections because we won't trump back. we don't really agree with what you're doing with the kind was told. now, you know that that's really, this is really proposed for us to hold sanctions against countries. let russia, the supplies for the ones that you need. it's also pretty propulsion to bang official the table and say your other with this, well, you're not with us, you're against us. you can't do that with countries like saudi arabia and m r ups. you know? because they, the people that say either you're with this, you're against, assume that you're going to be with us and then they're in a state of shock when you're not, you know, george martin brings up a really good point. i mean, we see obviously probably the worst relations of the russian federation has ever

had with the west of me. i think that's obvious right now. we have saber rattling around taiwan. more and more officials are going there. oh, by the way, ukraine is sending a delegation to taiwan as well. ok. we know that woodside there on here, but martin brings up a really good point. i mean, how much can the u. s. alienate the rest of the world? i mean, really, i'm really sticking to other countries if they don't get on their side, you know, if this is not, you know, i mean el salvador, great country, nice people. but you know, g politically didn't have a lot of weight. ok. so the radio, whatever you think of the royal family, it has an enormous amount of weight. and if you want to go one to one and say, who can enjoy the what the other one the most? well, the, the saudis, a will, will show you something they have shown that though i martin is right. there are probably personal political reasons. but there economic reasons do there's a global recession coming. you need to cut, cut supply to maintain price. i mean,

that's just common sense. george? yes, yes. i think it's a very important point that you just raised because the, by the ministration just came out this week with this new national security strategy. and i predict it divides the world between democracy is the good guys. and i'll talk chris's, this is this essential struggle with women. but the point is that it does the existential struggle. most countries, i'm just simply not signing with the west. and i think the example of saudi arabia is very instructive because it will saudi arabia is an american ally. i mean, it's been an american ally ever since the days of f d r. and here was n b s who has been insulted repeatedly by biden. you know, this is even before biden became president, and now the expecting him to bail out the american economy and to bail out the

vital illustration. so the saudis, pointedly release this letter showing hey, you were expecting us to interfere in your domestic election. we're not going to do that, we just simply going to of this you are own interest. and that's increasingly what's happening around the world with more and more countries ditching of the dollar and conducting their own transactions in national occurrences. and so with the loss of the dollar is the global reserve currency. that's a serious blow to us. prestige and hollow, and this. so if you want to make it, oh, it's between the democracy and the all talkers is, well, you're not doing well. and you meant you was mentioned here, the news and national security strategy that came out of the bind administration. i saw you lift your hand to your head as if you were going to use it as a gun. that was exactly my reaction when reading it,

because i could not seriously comprehend what they were trying to say other than this ridiculous binary. this is something of the past, it's something you know, in this rules based order. it should have been titled rules based to gemini because that's all it was martin. yeah, i'm, you know, we should never, ever forget when we talk about binds in particular foreign policy, which never forget it was obama who actually says, says don't underestimate joy biden's ability to s it up. now i think, what were you seeing that we've seen that he's been in the office for a couple. his name, one foreign policy initiative has been a success. you know, every single thing he's touched the term to does love to invite convent new world for the opposite of midas touch the george's point about america losing power on well losing influence. because you can't really enforce this, this a gemini, you know, this idea that we always said along who was believe sanctions usually in as it does

work. but also more importantly, secondary sections, work and the secondary functions that biden's god is the hope couldn't make them look when he was trying to pylon this global hatred towards iran biden doesn't even have an ounce of trumps fisma. whenever however, you look at it, he can't make 2nd re, sanctions what he would like. i mean, let me remind you that it was just a couple of a couple of months ago that the amount because you want to, buster actually said, well, visiting a delegation in gamma. but any african countries that go beyond trading with russia, beyond just simply grain and that culture equipment will be punished by america. there will be implications. we will act towards those countries breaking our sanctions. well guess law, it's already happening, you know, and something that you won't see reported amongst all the gusts that western media pump out is that in the last couple of days here in morocco, morgan king has signed an agreement with the russian government to for the rush mr

. supply nuclear power plants in morocco and war to do some nation plans run across not long. it's coastline. now, what are the implications of massive because america is know and to see america. i'm ok is i see what a lot of state department diplomatic parties pool best buddies state this is what is an old friend? is one of the 1st come to to recognize americans independence. so if it morocco can actually stand up and say to america, well, we don't want to get involved in ukraine war. we don't take science, we're not with you in that respect. but you have to respect that. we have to look around people, you know, this was created to a global calamity to use george's terminology. and i think when, when the implications in the next couple of days, actually sinking to other african countries. because from countries look optimal, they tend to look towards some sort of big brother of the continent. when that happens, you know, by these policies are busy going to collapse because he's got no so full to round

the world. again, the secretary sanctions idea isn't going to work. and i think in the united nations, just a couple days ago, there was this notion that we should give russia terrorism status that came from zalinski, another one of his crap. all i do is no wonder everyone spreads room response. ok, not, it sounds like completely lost, but i don't think god would go along with of you know, branding, rushes terrorist organizations because it will get support around the world. you know, if you, if you're brown, one country, a terrorist organization, then you have to brown anybody else who works with that country. and of course that's completely up. and also the same thing with this. the price caps here. i mean, we had the, the indonesia, which is good, is hosting the g 20. i mean, there are, there officials came out and said, well that we're no, no one here. what is interested in your price gap because you can use that as a weapon against any one of us in the future. so we have the president being sent here. it says here and no one wants to touch it because once you create

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to do given the other than that we're going to do is just opinion enough is come up . welcome back to process where all things are considered. i'm peter. well, this is the home edition. to remind you, we're discussing some real news. ah, let's go back to george in budapest, in my introduction, joe, to talk to i mentioned the nato world on this, this a group that has got together to rebuild ukraine, re, importantly re arm. it created a new arms industry there. this compatible with nato, i call this kind of unicorn thinking here we, here we are, you know, the countries in the middle of a conflict with a major power. and we have these western powers in their acolyte sitting down

saying, you know, we need to build some new factories there to create arms. well, russia is destroying a good part of the electrical infrastructure here. i mean, do you, this is make any sense. you know, i mean, particularly when they were sitting down, they want to re arm, you crate. what you crate, what is the crane they're talking about. i have no idea what they're talking about . go ahead. so it doesn't make any sense at all and is what happens when you start believing your own p r. so every single native postman going from shoulder to list trust and everybody, i think what you've raised me well, ever. it's, you know, it's military is ready. you know, kicking rushes box and everything, and it's total and utter nonsense. ukraine's military is not doing well. and as, as are shown, is by los we can rush, you can just simply escalate to the point of really great completed to any moment. you can just snap it's fingers and bring your brain to see the whole notion that

ukraine is winning, and then you're going to somehow win the war. and then somehow the issue is well, sector with pre february of $24.00 orders, or should we also include crimea or objectives as if any of this and any bearing it's all on reality. and this is a result of what's happened in nature. i mean that they believe their own p r, which is very dangerous, you know, that was supposed to believe your own publicity. and as you say, what you crane are we talking about it's, it's increasingly unlikely there's going to be anything very much left of your brain other than maybe just a little bit of a, a land mass around the key. if i, yes, you know, the daily i and old, you know, shelton bug and i was, you know, having, having these absolutely ridiculous seeing what they're talking about. i don't think anybody else does either. you haven't learned it. big thing the,

the question of what is european security going to look like? because the reason why we're, we are where we are, is that we are at the behest of the united states and it's accolade the u. k. they created a european security system. not only without russia but against russia, and they want to do it again. and then we have to look back to december 17th on a sound like a broken record. but we had, you know, what russia set out very clearly in black and white. what expect expects for its own security needs within europe? this is being completely ignored again and because it was ignored, we know what happened on february 24th. so what are these people thinking about, mark this, i'm sorry to put it to try to break it to you, but they are thinking of you super state, which is what they've been dreaming also decades. if not longer, you know, the federalist and brussels people like this plan. people like macaroni embarrassed dream of united states of europe. and part of that dream is having a real solid,

tangible, foreign policy that actually goes beyond just fancy words of european commission. press release, you know, and this, and this is really part of the problem. you know, when you go back to february, i mean i would go back to 2014 in a where really this all started and it was, you did the ring of you meddling, you having a wet dream in ukraine and offering ukrainians next session treats session for you, which will cues in the said an off you're going to far, and that's why invaded crimea, to make it to make a political point in the regions that you should not be going over this line. you know it, and it's one thing. the problem is that it has some really big phone calls you ideas, but the exist on paper when it comes to it, they can never, ever get the unanimity of support. member says, because members in the states don't have the, the confidence in the you as a policy making this machine on, on a grand scale. so this is why people at mac all and trying to form this you

community, which includes supposedly come to let turkey in the u. k. because it's all heading towards any ami um ani ami, which france would ultimately control. and that is fuel by this delusional propulsion, if not comical, belief that by people like natural. which is that if we, how do you me, if we have soldiers, the you on bands on the, on the home to my food and going to behave the way his behavior, he wouldn't invite you, he wouldn't do anything. these do we need is this visible detail, which we've done over the moments now there's a couple of things rolling. first of all. so what's the nature of that? just a bunch of retired generals, you know, in belgium watching dave some tv all day long and talking about the crease. i mean, you know what, you've got to put it into context. you know, we are having a struggle. now a huge struggle in the world between super powers and what the military gym actually, ambitions are you is really the problem here in my opinion. you know, just recently we don't shock or you know, i mean journalist like me follow that you had

a good laugh because the uniform policy chief use a ro, complete threatening, you know, actually co journalists, that he had lost all confidence in his own buses. and that he has to fall, he has to get news on the great war from the press, from really regional dana this, you know, he said 260 masters, you're not doing enough. you should be doing a much better job. i'm going to miss it. but it was the americans who called him 2 days before the recommendation to warn him approaching was going to invite. now that tells you everything you need to know about you and why we're in the mess. it certainly tells you everything you need to know about the subject of the program. but george, again, if this is the thinking in europe in nato world, then rushes the permanent enemy. and maybe it's a convenient, permanent enemy too, because then it gives a reason to crate the super state and then the european army. i mean it's, it's in place. this is permanent here. the problem with their thinking is that

russia is not going to stand by idling. so, you know, again, you know, so it looking in word. so they want to create a garrison state against us in ukraine. so why we will deny them you trying to create the garrison against us. that's kind of simple thinking, but it's obvious thinking, george, yes, and that's exactly what the idea is, is just to create this vast political blog whose entire resume dash, i mean, has no other isn't that are you putting it together? countries that have absolutely nothing in common with one another. you know, you putting in georgia, turkey, france or a whole in the subs and what unites them? well, there's only one thing, you know, this, a russian also on the line. and i know mike on to a lesser extent. so yeah. what, what, what do we really, united, russia, you know,

we hate russia, we're, you know, we're all values. russia is inimical to our values. but of course, you're not going to be able to unite all this for people together, which is why they now they talking, particularly sergeant schultz and germany about this a qualified majority voting so we basically are always going to overwhelm the votes of the people who don't think like us and you know, if you do go down that qualified majority homes, you will not be able to keep the, you know, together, that those countries are going to walk away. you're getting overwhelm. you and i like history a lot. that's kind of like the regime in the 1930 slave team. thirty's, did the year created a qualified coalition if you know, and i mean here. ok. and i want to go down that path right now. martin. the timing of everything here. a, we've debated this a lot on this program and george and i've done it on a pod, cast, the goggle it who's got the time, who's got the clocks here?

well, it seems to me since, after we saw the electricity grade in ukraine graded severely, and then the russian stepped away in georgia, already talked about the economy here. i mean, time is ultimately very much on russia side because it's only now the middle of october. it's not really gotten cold yet, and this is going to be a very long, difficult winter winter led by some of the most incompetent people of ever health office in europe. mark tom is definitely running out, was no question about that. it's still quite mout at the moment, but i think the next couple of weeks they'll be a different, a narrative coming from major know a little bit different perspective on how we look at so war. and what approaches should be, i mean, definitely, definitely advantages with russia in this respect, you know, because, you know, we're already looking, we're already seeing the, as george pointed out, the inclusion of the u. k. economy on chaos in france as well. you know,

you got people, were the gosling pumps. people on strike. can you go choose going on for kilometers between the hours in germany we have a meltdown as an economy. and, you know, surprise, surprise, a lot of big german companies now just recently announcing that they're moving and we're only moving to, whoa, whoa, whoa, them into marika in issue, if you put all this into perspective, you know, there's a real problem in the european community and an unconscious life, chris and you know, because we were actually losing grip of following our economies, but are our own, our own companies, our own infrastructure. so slipping and sliding away are quite a speed. and now really the only issues the whether, you know, will we have brutal when so this is all, if the mom that would be a deal breaker. i don't know, you know, martin, that's kind of a pre modern thing. you know, we just hope it's a mild winter look what it would look like the they lowered themselves to. we have to worry about if it's going to be a hard winter. this is,

this is what modern europe is come down to. you know, a hail mary on the weather it's a lot of the stuff will be more or less boils down to. and also, you know, whether, how long can these political leads, you know, stay in power, you know, people talking about days for his trust in the u. k. who was a big champion of simple to ukraine. well, you know, within a couple of days of taking office, she announced 2300000000 pounds to be sent again to, to ukraine. i mean, a lot, a lot of people coming on nuff people, the center people said, well what could you do with that money to actually heat the country to give it to poor people. so they can actually sit in from the fire and survive to wait to see you've got the whether issue is a bit embarrassing if that's really what it comes down to that. so we're really talking about but also thing a bigger picture, if you, if you stand back, i think i read a report today about the u. s. and jonathan saying the walk had gone for years. and, you know, there are any major colossal factors that could change that, such as either mr. pitching, resigning as president some point. well, joe biden,

being replaced by someone like from something seismic, something that could to shake the whole well and get people to think of the whole issue from a different point of view. different specter germany are almost out of time here. george, i don't know if you're a better man, but are you better for against? liz truss. i think les stress is for the birds because the story and the they're worried about their jobs. they don't think that she's going to lead them to victory . the next of action and that is the most important thing is even got rid of mag margaret thatcher, because i thought i was watching line bill last saturday. the tories are, they're terrible towards labor, but they're even worse against their own. ok. all right, gentlemen, that's all the time we have on the think, my guess americans in budapest, when i think our viewers are watching us here, are the see you next? i remember. ah ah

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