and so this war which is going, going on forever and the of the funders don't as well, how is this in our interest, in what way either to spend our money that will actually so our interest. and so he is able to go, but they can relate to the united states, also limitless funds americans happily do so. and the continual disaster, and when we look at a particular the state of the european economies, we just have the collapse, effectively, the collapse of, of the government in the united kingdom. and we've already seen collapses throughout your major governmental changes in france and italy, or something in germany is standing. where on the brink of an absolute economic calamity, or i'm still, i have to give more to ukraine when it's currently clearly leading

everybody to absolute catastrophe. in a martin is the you keep hearing from western leaders as long as it takes, but i think that's the wrong refrain. it's as much as it takes because i to it, it's beginning to sound like i'll be honest with both of you and our viewers. i've lost count of the billions of dollars in problems every week, more and more money is being allotted or planned to procure or whatever. i've lost track the numbers, getting so big. so, so martin, i mean, it seems to me that you know it, it's fundraising that the fundraising is the end. i mean, i think that's what it is. the whole point is to raise funds. martin. it was after you learn how to be an entrance, i mean, something you said, you don't know how much it is. i think it's about $84000000.00. something like that so far. i don't think that can be repeated every every few months. i mean, i think it has to be a point where western economies actually start looking at their own situation or,

and people learn crises. but also, i think the question is really controlled and all that i see that i think is also lensky is nowhere near as powerful inferential or dynamic goes. we probably think he is he, he's got the media spotlight that seems to be his job. you know, huge media, i don't believe that he's running the war. i don't think, i think it's still true. i think that's really being controlled by native chiefs locked away and on cars somewhere. but i think they pushed the funding, throws up another question. you know, which is who's really controlling this global dynamic. you know, this, this idea that the west of nature level is our money and they're able to make change and who is really controlling it. we saw just recently, i wrote about it an opposite of weeks ago. about how russia, gcc countries, saudi arabia, m r ups. now, you know, sort of forming a coalition. the relationships are developing every single day. and they,

opec plus the opec plus countries lifestyle, maybe a mattress very recently and decided to cut all production. now what was that about? that was really about sending a message to the american people and to biden, which is, we don't really want you around anymore. and we'd like to actually harm you as much as we can at the midterm elections. because we won't trump back, we don't really agree with what you're doing with the can was told. now you know that that's really, this is really proposed for us to hold sanctions against countries. let russia, the suppliers with the one that you need is also pretty propulsion to bang official the table and say your other with this or not with your against. so you can't do that with countries like saudi arabia and m r ups, you know? because they, the people that say either you're with this year, again, just assume that you're going to be with us and then they're in a state of shock when you're not, you know, george martin brings up a really good point. i mean, we see obviously probably the worst lation of the russian federation has ever had

with the west of me. i think that's obvious right now. we have saber rattling around taiwan. more and more officials are going there. oh, by the way, ukraine is sending a delegation to taiwan as well. ok. we know that woodside there on here, but martin brings up a really good point. i mean, how much can the u. s. alienate the rest of the world? i mean, really, i'm really sticking to other countries. if they don't get on their side, you know, this is not, you know, i mean el salvador, great country, nice people. but you know, g politically didn't have a lot of weight. ok. so the radio, whatever you think of the royal family, it has an enormous amount of weight. and if you want to go one to one and say, who can and know what the, what the other one the most. well, the, the saudis, a will show you something they have shown that though i martin is right. there are probably personal political reasons, but their economy reasons do. there's a global recession coming. you need to cut, cut supplies to maintain price. i mean,

that's just common sense. george? yes, yes. i think it's a very important point that you just raised because the, by the ministration just came out this week with this new national security strategy and as predictive. it provides the world between democracy is the good guys, and i'll talk chris's. this is this essential struggle with women. but the point is that it doesn't, the, it's essential struggle. most countries, i'm just simply not signing with the west. and i think the example of saudi arabia is very instructive because it will saudi arabia is an american ally. i mean, he's been there, how can i ever since the days of f d r and here was n b s who has been insulted repeatedly by biden. you know, this is even before biden became president, and now they expecting him to bail out the an economy and to bail out the vital

illustration. so the saudis, pointedly release this letter showing, hey, you were expecting us to interfere in your domestic collection. we're not going to do that, we're just going to of this, you are an interest, and that's increasingly what's happening around the world with more and more countries ditching of the dollar and conducting their own transactions in national occurrences. and so with the loss of the dollar is the global reserve currency. that's a serious blow to us. prestige and hollow. and so if you want to make it, oh, it's between the democracy and the all talk, this is, well, you're not doing well. i'm already met you and you was mentioned here in the news, a national security strategy that came out of the bio ministration. i saw you lift your hand to your head is if you were going to use it as a gun i that was exactly my reaction when reading it,

because i could not seriously comprehend what they were trying to say other than this ridiculous binary. this is something of the past, it's something you know, in this rules based order. it should have been titled rules based to gemini because that's all it was martin. yeah, i mean, we should never, ever forget when we talk about a particular foreign policy, which never forget it was obama who actually says, says don't underestimate jo buttons ability to f it up. now i think what we're actually seeing that we seen he's, he's been in office for a couple. his name, one foreign policy initiative has been a success. you know, every single thing he's touched the term to does love to invite, invent a new word for that. the opposite of midas touch the george's point about america losing power on well losing influence because you can't really enforce this, this a gemini, you know, this idea that we always said along who was believe sanction. usually in most cases

don't work, but also more importantly, secondary section stuff work. and the secondary functions that biden's god is the hope couldn't make them look when he was trying to pylon this global hatred towards iran biden doesn't even have an ounce of trumps fisma. however, you look at it, he can't make secondary sanctions. what he would like. i mean, let me remind you that it was just a couple of a couple of months ago that the america you want to buster actually said, well, this is taking a delegation in gamma. but any african countries that go beyond trading with russia beyond just simply grain, another culture equipment will be punished by america. there will be implications. we will act towards those countries. we're breaking our sanctions. what guess what? it's already happening, you know, and something that you won't see reported amongst all the gusts that western media pump out is that in the last couple of days here in morocco and morgan king has

signed an agreement with the russian government to for the russian. mr. supply a nuclear power plants in morocco and war to do some nation plans run across, not long. it's coastline. now what are the implications of massive because america is know and to see america america is i see what a lot of state department diplomatic approaches, pool of best buddies stage. this is what it's an old friend, is one of the 1st come to to recognize american independence. so morocco can actually stand up and say to america, well, we don't want to get involved in ukraine war. we don't take science, we're not with you in that respect. but you have to respect that, we have to look around people, you know, this was created a global calamity to use george's terminology. and i think when, when the implications in the next couple of days, actually sinking to other african countries. because as companies look up the market they, they tend to look towards rocco does some sort of big brother of the continent when that happens. you know, biden's policies are going to collapse. he's got no support around the world of,

you know, the secretary sanctions idea isn't going to work. and i think in the united nations, just a couple of days ago, there was this notion that we should give russia terrorism status that came from zalinski. another one of his crap, all i do is no one to everyone. spells rooms, buttons, okay. now it sounds like a big enough, but only god would go along with of, you know, branding, rushes terrorist organizations because you will get support around the world. you know, if you, if you brand one country, a terrorist organization, then you have to brand everybody else who works with that country. and of course, that's completely up to you. and also the same thing with this, these price caps here. i mean, we had the, the indonesia, which is good, is hosting the g 20. i mean, there are, there officials came out and said, well, that weren't no, no one here. what is interested in your price gap because you can use that as a weapon against any one of us in the future. so we have the president being sent here and sent here, and no one wants to touch it because once you create

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let's go back to george in budapest, in my introduction, joe, to talk to i mentioned the nato world on this, this group that has got together to rebuild ukraine, re, importantly re arm. it created a new arms and you see there, this compatible with nato. i call this kind of unicorn thinking here we, here we are, you know, the countries in the middle of a conflict with a major power. and we have these western powers in their acolyte sitting down saying, you know, we need to build some new factories there to create arms. well, russia is destroying a good part of the electrical infrastructure here. i mean, do you, does this make any sense the, you know, i mean, particularly when they were sitting down, they want to re arm, you crate. what you crate, what is the crane they're talking about? i have no idea what they're talking about. go ahead. so it doesn't make any sense at all, and he's what happens when you start believing your own p r. so every single native

postman going from shoulder to list ross and everybody, i think what you've raised me well, ever. it's, you know, it's military is ready. you know, kicking rushes box and everything, and it's total and utter nonsense. ukraine's military is not doing well. and as, as are shown, is by los we can rush, you can just simply escalate to the point of really great completed to any moment. you can just slap its fingers and bring your brain to see the whole notion that ukraine is winning, and then you're going to somehow win the war. and then somehow the issue is, well, we start with the pre february of $24.00 orders, or should we also include crimea or objectives as if any of any bearing. it's all on reality. and this is a result of what's happened in nature. i mean that they believe their own p r, which is very dangerous, you know,

that was supposed to believe your own publicity. and as you say, what you crane are we talking about it's, it's increasingly unlikely there's going to be anything very much left of ukraine. other than maybe just a little bit of a, a land mass around the key. if i, if you know the delhi i in old, you know, shelton bug and i was, you know, having, having these absolutely ridiculous discussions. so as you say, i no idea what they're talking about. i don't think anybody else does either learn it big thing the, the question of what is european security going to look like? because the reason why we're, we are where we are, is that we are at the behest of the united states and it's accolade the u. k. they created a european security system, not only without russia but against russia, and they want to do it again. and then we have to look back to december 17th on

a sound like a broken record, but we had, you know, what russia set out very clearly in black and white would expect expects for its own security needs within europe. this is being completely ignored again, and because it was ignored, we know what happened on february 24th. so what are these people thinking about, mark this, i'm sorry to put it to try to break it to you, but they are thinking of an e. you super state, which is what they've been dreaming also decades, if not longer, you know, the federalist and brussels people like this plan. people like macaroni, embarrass, dream of united states of europe. and part of that dream is having a real solid, tangible, foreign policy that actually goes beyond just fancy words of european commission. press release, you know, and this, and this is really part of the problem. you know, when you go back to february, i mean i would go back to 2014 in a where really this all started and it was, you did the ring of you meddling, you having a wet dream in ukraine and offering ukrainians next session,

treating your session for you, which will cues in a huff he said an off you're going to far, and that's why invaded crimea, to make it to make a political point in the regions that you should not be going over this line. you know it, and it's one thing. the problem with you is that it has some really big phone calls you ideas, but the exist on paper when it comes to it, they can never ever get the unanimity of support member states because members in the states don't have the, the confidence in the us as a policy making this machine on, on a grand scale. so this is why people at mac all and trying to form this e u community which includes supposedly come to letter in the u. k. because it's all heading towards any ami um ani ami, which france would ultimately control. and that is fuel by this delusional propulsion, if not comical, belief that by people like natural. which is that if we, how do you me, if you have soldiers, the you on bands on the, on the home to my food and going to behave the way his behavior would invade you,

he wouldn't do anything. these things we need is this visible detail, which we've done over the moments now there's a couple things rolling, 1st of all. so what's the nature of that? just a bunch of retired generals, you know, in belgium watching, take some tv all day long and talking about the crease. i mean, you know, you've got to put it into context, you know, having a struggle. now a huge struggle in the world between super powers and what the military gym actually, ambitions are you is really the problem here in my opinion. you know, just recently, we don't shock or, you know, i mean journalists like me and follow that you had a good laugh because the uniform policy chief, you said a complete threatening, you know, actually co, jealous, that he had lost all confidence in his own buses. and that he has to fall, he has to get news on the great war from the press, from really regional dana this, you know, he said 260 masters, you're not doing enough. you should be doing a much better job. i'm going to admit it. but it was the markets who called him 2

days before the recommendation to warn him approaching was going to invite. now that tells you everything you need to know about you and why we're in the mess. it certainly tells you everything you need to know about the subject of the program. but george, again, if this is the thinking in europe in nato world, then rushes the permanent enemy. and maybe it's a convenient, permanent enemy too, because then it gives the reason to create the super state and then the european army. i mean it's, it's in place. this is permanent here. the problem with their thinking is that russia is not going to stand by idling. so would, you know, again, you know, so looking in word, so they want to create a garrison state against us in your frame. so why we will deny them ukraine to create the garrison against us. that's kind of simple thinking, but it's obvious thing, george. yes, and that's exactly what the idea is,

is just to create this vas, political blog whose entire resume dash, i mean, has low other isn't that, are you putting it together? countries that have absolutely nothing in common with one another. you know, you putting in georgia, turkey, france, or a shovel hole in the subs and what, your nice them. well, there's only one thing, you know, the age of russian also on the line, a lesser extent. yeah. what, what, what do we really, united, russia, you know, we hate russia, we're, you know, we're all values. russia is inimical to our values. but of course, you're not going to be able to unite all this for people together, which is why they now they talking of particular sergeant schultz and germany about this a qualified majority voting so we basically are always going to overwhelm the votes

of the people who them things like us and, you know, if you do go down that qualified majority homes, you will not be able to get the together. the discount is going to walk away. i don't know if you overwhelm you and i like history a lot. that's kind of like the regime in the 1930 slave in thirty's, did the year created a qualified coalition if you know what i mean here. ok, i don't want to go down that path right now. martin. the timing of everything here . a, we've debated this a lot on this program and george and i've done it, are a pod cast, the goggle it who's got the time? who's got the clocks here? well, it seems to me since, after we saw the electricity grid and ukraine graded severely, and then the russian stepped away in georgia, already talked about the economy here. i mean, time is ultimately very much on russia side because it's only now the middle of october. it's not really gotten cold yet, and this is going to be a very long,

difficult winter winter led by some of the most incompetent people of ever health office in europe. mark that tom is definitely running out, was no question about that. it's still quite mout at the moment, but i think the next couple of weeks they'll be a different, a narrative coming from major know a little bit different perspective on how we look at the so war. and what approaches should be, i mean, definitely, definitely advantages with russia in this respect, you know, because, you know, we're already looking, we're already seeing the, as george pointed out, the inclusion of the u. k. economy on chaos in france as so, you know, you got people with gasoline pumps, people on strike, and you go choose going on for kilometers. big weight of ours in germany, we have a meltdown in economy. and, you know, surprise, surprise, a lot of big german companies now just recently announcing that they're moving and where are they moving to, whoa, whoa, whoa, into america. in issue, if you put all this into perspective, you know, there's

a real problem in the european community and an unconscious life, chris and you know, because we were actually using grip of blowing our economies, but are our own, our own companies, our own infrastructure. so slipping and sliding away are quite a speed. and now really the only issues to whether, you know, will we have brutal to win? so this is all if the mom that will be a deal breaker. but if you don't know, you know, martin, that's kind of a pre modern thing. you know, we just hope it's a mild winter look what it would look with the they've lowered themselves to. we have to worry about if it's going to be a hard winter. this is, this is what modern europe is come down to, you know, a hail mary on the weather. it's a lot of stuff for me, more or less boils down to. and also, you know, with the, how long can these political leaks, you know, staying power. you know, people talking about days for his trust in the u. k. who was a big champion of simple to ukraine. well, you know, within a couple of days of taking office,

she announced 2300000000 pounds to be sent again to, to ukraine. you know, not a lot of people, probably not enough people to center. people said, well, what could you do without money to actually heat the country to give it to poor people. so they can actually sit in from the fires and survive to when to see got the weather issue is a bit embarrassing if that's really what it comes down to that. so we're really talking about but also thing a bigger picture, if you, if you stand back, i think i read a report today about the u. s. in terms of saying the walk and going for years. and, you know, there are any major and colossal factors that could change that, such as either mr. pitching resigning is present at some point. well, joe biden, being replaced by someone like from something seismic, something that could to shake the whole world and get people to think of the whole issue from a different point of view, different spectrum, and you're almost out of time. you're george. i don't know if you're a better man, but are you better for or against list trust? i think less trust is for the birds because the dorian b,

they're worried about their jobs. they don't think that she's going to lead them to victory the next election. and that is the most important thing is even got rid of mag, margaret thatcher, because i thought i was watching line bill last saturday. the tories are, they're terrible towards labor, but they're even worse against their own. ok. all right, gentlemen, that's all the time we have on the think, my guess americans in budapest, when i think our viewers are watching us here, are you next? i remember? ah ah, ah ah ah. well oh oh oh oh,

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