or military aid de key at alexandria, casio. cortez was quick to label them as pro russian. they were right wing trumpeters. it was a stunt. they were parroting pro, put in talking points. it is not anti war to support russia's imperialist project to invade and seize neighboring countries. either. a lot of this frightening video on social media stance are predicated on people not knowing the context and just believing whatever the pricing sang for face value. the incident took place at a public event in new york where several protesters accused h o c of voting to start a nuclear war. her public response to the incident sparked a swift backlash. she has nothing to say about biden's rejection of diplomacy, nor explain how will the school to prove billions of dollars in weapons will help and the wool. she instead invokes ukraine's self determination. why does she not even acknowledge the many people to the left of her who criticize her position on

this? why does she just dismiss it as pro prudent and right wing talking points? every criticism of her is just dismissed as right wing, sexist, racist, et cetera, gets old real quick. anyone who disagrees with escalating the conflict in order to prevent a potential warm, must be parenting pro, put in talking points. democratic progressive caucus. this comes as billionaire tycoon, ellen must face the same accusation of being pro russian after suggesting his peace plan for ukraine, which would include key as neutrality, recommendation of crimea, as part of russia and the 2nd referenda in the 4 regions that chose to join russia . one political scientist said musk has spoken to a lot of we are who before coming up with his piece plan something musk denies. another expert cited by the media said must transmitted russia's message. and a recent article in foreign policy went further accusing mask and a number of political and media figures disagreeing with washington's policies of

repeating kremlin talking points. joe meant host of the conservative daily podcast, believes that us democrats label, anyone who goes against their narrative as enemies of america. well, i think they've been quick to look for links to the kremlin everywhere. i mean, 1st of all, you got a o. c, a bar tender from new york that gets put in a position where she is now representative. we have, we have problems with our elections everywhere. were ard that inflation is at an all time high. we are the world stage is an absolute mess. we're spending billions of dollars over to ukraine to fight a proxy war with russia. most americans here just literally just want peace and they were really happy to have it for the 4 years that troubles in office. they just make things up because it doesn't fit their narrative. so any time someone does not go along and just play ball with, with their, i don't know, a chess match of, of epic proportion. they become the enemy of the american people and then their anti american, all of a sudden because they don't stand up for your crank, they use these dog whistles like racist or, you know, pro russian

a puppet in order to basically cover up their there. there indiscretions, i guess you could call it. that's all for now. be sure to check out our t. v dot com for all the latest breaking news. and that days we'll see you right back here at the top of the hour. mm hm. ah ah ah .

ah ah hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . much to the chagrin of the west, china in the global south have not condemned or isolated russia over the conflict in ukraine. in fact, the opposite appears to have happened. the global south does not embrace the west demand of a rules based order or so called western values. in general, 500 years of western domination is coming to an end. ah,

cross stuck in the global south, i'm joined by my guess, mohammed mirandi and in toronto, he is professor at the university of trying to new delhi. we have professor to annoy. she is professor emeritus at the school of international studies at newer university. and in ankara we cross who st. body. he is president of the foreign policy institute across sac rules and effect. that means he can job any time you want. and i always appreciate mom and let me go to you person to run and welcome back to the program after such a long hiatus here jake sullivan, that brilliant guy in washington. he says, the stakes could not be higher, whereas an inflection point. i agree with him, okay. probably for reasons that he wouldn't agree with me about. but nonetheless, we are an inflection point and ukraine. his put it all in relief. go ahead mohammed . oh, we are at a major inflection point and i think is far too late for the americans to do anything about it. the united states is rapidly on the decline. they continue with

their and this war as an occupations. the nice it is basically a military machine and it constantly feeds that military machine. and meanwhile, the rest of the global south is, is on the rise. i mean, when one side is on the decline, the other side rises whether in or whether it's in relative terms or otherwise. so i think that actually this winter will make things much clearer. yeah, because as europe moves towards crisis and as the united states has to carry the burden of europe, it's not as if the united states doesn't suffer nicely, does suffer. and the nice is also doesn't benefit from a week and broken europe, even if there is it, if they force a divorce between europe and russia to their own benefit. when

a broke in europe is, is a wage that the magazine has to carry with it. so it's not a waiver for the united states. meanwhile, china continues to evolve. iran is now used to the sanctions, even though the united states has tried desperately to the same life, the country. and it didn't work and it's not going to work. iran is now a member of the shanghai corporation organization in the summit meeting. and it was pakistan. there were major agreements between the wine and russia. you run in china . iran in the spec is on russia and china, india wanting to do business with russia to re run through the whole of asia is changing. the map is changing and there's really nothing that the united can do about it. a professional, i am in, in new ali the last time you were on the program. i think we, we talked about the, the g 7 edge head met and i asked you, what was the reaction in india and you said not much of, hey, it doesn't make the,

the front page. it's not a major headline. this point of this inflection point. i think is really true because the united states is forcing you either with us or against this. and the global south says, well, we're, we're not gonna make a decision. we don't fear you, and we don't really respect you any more. that's the inflection point. go ahead in new delhi. well, i think the global south has not kept quiet. they, what they're saying is with to their policy of neutrality and they talked to state even though they do not want war. they want, you know, respect, serenity, etc. i think they understand the russian position and their security concerns and as far as they're concerned and the west is concerned or any other big grouping is concerned, they want neutrality, which means strategic autonomy and independent foreign policy. they do not want to be pressured into this site or that site or to somebody else's waters. so this

warren, ukraine is not the war of the global. so, and they've seen the different, there's a call, the west street, this water ukraine, and how it treats the wars that you know of into engine rich based stock in the global south. whether it's iraq or, you know, whether it's supporting the saudis in yemen or libya, the attitude they have to was refugees from conflicts. so there is this element of racism. and the south is saying, no, we don't want to be bought off well off this war. sure. you bring up a very good point. let's go to where it gets to anchor, who st. joseph burrell before and policy chief of the e. u. i. he came out with a very peculiar statement to be a few days ago that europe is some kind of garden and other than outside of europe . it's a jungle. you're not in the u. r. is turkey. part of that jungle. i mean,

you know, joseph brown, he writes the very weird blogs. ok. but i mean, i think it's, this is that tainted neil colonialism. it's still there. go ahead and ankara. so turkey has nothing to jangle about very near to john rose. needed to be got. it all depends from your look. 30 member of nato in the garden, 30 of negotiating with you to can you know, just me to close the garden, but they're still in the jungle. and this is why turkey is trying to make a party so of balance, you know, try and trying to combine the changing job politics in the region and in the work. and the church gives jeff between east and west like a fan which, you know, cheese in the sandwich. both sides, the pressure, russia freshman on the one hand,

the europe and the medical pressure on the other hand truck is trying now somehow to get the 19th century balance of power. it is not new for jerky, but one point is clear as my sense from india and from to hit on said that the work is changing. the work is not anymore the same as before trying to sort of february and the grumble south is acting in a different way than turkey. i my faith. so turkey is still in the, in the west is like your plane, which is trying to make my nowhere with that being said, the people think it's most about the man, the guy there in a browser, in washington dc. it's at least at the moment, but what's the future we'll bring? we will see. well, you know, it's interesting when we heard really saying about going back to the 1900 century. when it's, why do you know policy makers in the swamp in washington in london,

is that they, they don't know anything about history because all the entire length of history of geo politics is balancing of powers. it's not about values, it's about relative power. that one has turkey, if you want turkey or not, that that's the question here, but it's playing a marvelous job of balancing its interest. the global south takes that as a q a ran takes, that is a q china takes that is a q africa takes that is a q, but everybody in washington is oblivious to at apparently go head mom and i think it's very important to look. it was what joseph well said and understand implications. it was a very racist game, but it shows that there is no real difference between the liberals and the political regime in europe and states and the right wing republicans and the neocons. they're basically saying the same thing for the rest of the world. one is just being more creative in language. the other

is more crude like bolton, what was the difference in what bolton says and where joseph were else as an impact? one world said these liberals in iran, these young liberals who are, i think that there are some sort of a garden in europe when we're l makes these statements. he's flapping them in the face. yeah. he's basic telling them that you're worthless to us. you're beneath us, you're part of the jungle. for the rest of us being in the jungle is just fine. we don't want to be a part of that garden, the garden that rapes and flanders that steals money from venezuela. that's impose a see john, the cuban people for decades. this tried to strangle the riding people that's carried out genocide a longer. so these, in yemen, i survive to chemical attacks. those chemicals were given to saddam hussein by the

gardeners in europe. so they don't see the reality as it is. they only see the reality as they would wish it to be. that is exactly why they miscalculated in russia. they thought they'll pull the plug. those imposed sanctions on russia and russia will class and his game over. so all those provocations that they carry now expanding eastwards, lying to russia, overthrowing the government in ukrainian, imposing an antique or russian government, supporting the a right wing, fascist and the nazis in ukraine. all of that was done because they thought a what their victory was inevitable. but they fail to recognize reality that russia is a huge power that iraq is a force to reckon with. look at whoever is drones, they are in ukraine. now nato, with all the, is with all the claims to greatness can even deal with

a few drowns this. these are countries that have been in charge for hundreds of years and they, they think that they can govern over the rest of the world. they are now, they are beginning to understand that the parents they pull, they believe that have a moral right to a professor to annoy me that it will hum, it brings up a very good point here. i mean, we, irrespective of theory, neo conservative or liberal intervention, it's, it's all about had gemini, you know, you had german. it's like putting lipstick on his gemini. it's still a gemini professor in new delhi. correct? i want to make 3 points. one about a head gemini, is that it is preventing them to see you or, or even admit other countries perceptions. so they want to see everything by balance, and they don't recognize the opinion of other countries or even try to understand the different perceptions. so that's one bit about this balance so far again,

balance so far from the western realists is about, you know, the west balancing bar with, or the, the other powerful block which was earlier the soviet union. and now may be balancing with china. they never recognize the voice of the south. the south was never had a hedge, a monic weiss and so they never recognized it. so they don't matter in the balance of fall. now when they have weakened beneath the south and therefore they're going to the un general assembly, which they didn't do earlier for any issue for palestine. all 4. okay, perfect. perfect. i professor, you said you had 3 points. you just said 2 of them are going to go to a short break to go away. and when we come back, we'll do the 3rd boy doug. we are going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break in. and after that short break will, can you continue our discussion on the global south se without me

with welcome back to cross hock. we're all things considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the global south. ah, okay, let's go back to the good professor in whom della you enumerating on 3 points got to in before the break. now the 3rd one go right ahead. america point is based on what up analysts said about they miscalculated russia. the point is that i've noticed that the west has various phobias earlier. they are the slammer phobia. they have sino phobia. they have russo phobia and they have phobias about the so us so, so they cannot see the entire picture and they miscalculate. so they've made,

we've also made strategic areas. there are a lot of problems in the global south. i'm not saying that it's you know, even that whether it's a great jungle or not. of course, you know, that identity issues, ethnic issues, they're local wars. but nonetheless, i don't think the west through it's very aggressive, militarist geo politics is helping to resolve any of these. that is why i think we are looking forward to this transit. this global transition in joshua says, oh, i think all of us have good reason to it, but there's going to be put forces that will resisted and that's what we're seeing . because when we, when you are a head human starts declining, it ray it lashes out, and that's what we've seen, particularly in this century. but i would say there's a long, 500 year history of it as well. her was go back to anchor. let me quote that anthony blank and lead that secretary of state. you said here, this is again in the last new cycle. if washington does not set the rules for the world than someone else, well, i think so. what else should i think the global south showed?

ok, hasn't to west caused enough trouble with the last 500 years for the rest of us. go ahead in ankara. first of all, joseph and i wrote a book written which read the title, do more. 1 matter, yes, and american foreign policy morale does not matter. as joseph nice. and then we have john mesh armor wrote the decline of the wrist and liberalism, i think at the moment we see a discussion very much in europe and in america about the what the remains dental of today is the joe political change of geopolitical realism and balance of power are now whether global house would balance. busy the west is an open question . i don't know. we will see how the global solids really develop further at the moment. it's, there's not there's a trunk to contain or to block the west at the moment either economy

know militarily. but this fact is the democratic countries as their problems democratic, so se faced many challenges and the, the liberal, or the republicans, or democrats whatsoever thinking class and also societies. they also do not know how to ball further because the relative decline is indeed there are on the west, no doubt about it, in shows awful and in the political terms. but the west is still very strong in military terms. and this is again, what matters international i would military power is important, but let me go back to my home and here, i mean, one of the things, one of the most glaring things we've been watching over the last few years is the deed, dollarization of the global economy, if you don't that, that, you know, you know, you could say you could be afraid of tanks,

but banks are more important at the end of the day. and this, this, this graph, the hang onto gemini, is destroying what gave them power in the 1st place. i mean, how many countries now are trading in their own domestic currencies? it is growing leaps and bounds, and people are ditching the dollar because of sanctions, secondary sanctions, price caps, all of this here. it's remarkable how they destroy their own power mohammed. yes, and as a result of this war and all the sanctions and the sanctions on other countries, what we now see is, for example, the running russia. they're developing a north south corridor which goes from east europe and asia to iran and the persian gulf. and thus, russia canal trade without even going through europe. they can trade with africa, they can trade with continents. and in particular, india rewan. you also have now

a trade route from central asia being developed to he run through and also to lunch . so we see all these trade links being developed, then exclude the united states and europeans. and on the other hand, since the united states has sanctioned so many countries they, they're encouraging them to trade in their own currency. so now running russia both are sanction. now they trade with china becoming increasingly concern. so they are developing alternative means to trade with iran, russia, india is also going to be, they're going to need to trade with iran, russia, china, and hundreds of they have to also develop alternative means. in other words, what the americans in the europeans and the same is from that america with americans and the europeans are doing is they themselves, by over using this weapon, this really barbaric weapon which targets ordinary people who are using it. they've created an incentive for other countries, both to move their trade routes away from them to carry on try their financial

transactions without including them. and they are going to be huge, long term consequences. and the problem that the european americans. how is that the problems it at home or on the rise? they used to have this facade that they were democracies, which they never were. these are all, the gar keys, the that when you, when the means of giving it disseminating information that are in the hands of a few, you can't cover the mark. but they had constantly for centuries. are these for, for the last few decades of been telling. there are populations that you're, you're in the garden and the rest of the world is a jungle. but now as things get worse in europe, in the united states, people are going to see no, this is not a garden for all of its own. is only a garden for the likes of brow and that class of people. so i think that not only are we going to see, are we seeing the rise and greater independence of the global south and asia from

the west. but also we're going to see major fractures growing larger and emerging in the west itself. and in particular, in europe, in the coming months, you know, professor to know the, one of the things that really irks me in it's something i've been doing almost to the last 2 years. i really like asking my guess what, how do you understand the term rules based order? because i can, i can't figure out really what it means other than just we make the rules and you follow it. i mean is, is it a little bit more nuanced than that? what's, what's the position in new delhi, for example, we'll look um how we understand rules based order is really that it has to include international law. it has to include the norms and traditions set in institutions where a number of countries have agreed on it that it's the w t o on dad, the various united you know, the trade or norms, et cetera. so if it all comes together, you can have a rule based order,

but international law and what's been passed legally needs to be there at the same time. no one set of con, our countries can impose a ruler based or dell outside these and say that we have exemptions from earlier security council resolutions. or we can do with a rito on the issue of palestine, but you cannot a so the rule based order, you know, then it doesn't mean very much bothers. the dollar is concerned. there is no other reserve currency as yet. yes. there is a dollar swap arrangement going on between many trading knows especially with asia, and therefore earlier, you know, from 80 percent of the dollar being used across trade. now it's almost about 50 between 50 and 60 percent. so there is a decline, but there's a long way to go, because at the moment there is no alternate reserve currency and i think what will, how will it will really be pushed if as we heard russia and

opec agreed to, you know, cut out the federal dollar and do trade in in their local currency. so we see all this, at least i do also in a very multiple kind of way that we don't block out any one. we're not for revenge because of colonialism, but we believe in a plural. multi paula world where everyone can have a say and that the, the united nations and should be strengthened and democrat dies, where the global south also has an equal voice. let's go to, let's go back to, to round here. it's the, the issue of opec is really quite curious here because the united states is very upset. it's going to, it's going to look per sanctions against. what was that reimagined the policy with saudi arabia. and it's really interesting, and we had the spokesperson spokesperson coming out and saying, you know, you know,

this is all the, the saudis, or it's this kind of, you know, it was unanimous, every single member of opec said this is a policy that we're going to pursue because it's not a person further, is their domestic agendas. i mean, they're sovereignty. i mean that that's not hard to understand. but the americans that treat it is if the written the oil in iran in the oil. and so you every is, there's go ahead moment. i think there are 2 things that are really interesting here. one is the decline of the united states. just 3 years ago maybe it was. mom had been salmon was sitting a line lead aside from his trunk was showing all the weapon systems that he was going to buy from the united states. and he and mohammed and salmon looks very embarrassed about the whole presentation in front of the reporters. and then now the united states has become so weak that even the cow that's been milk

is showing resistance that i think is very revealing. on the other hand, i think it's also important to keep in mind that the europeans and americans have brought this upon themselves. they destroy the rock, they sanctioned the rom, they sanctioned venezuela. they destroyed much of syria, which was an oil producing country. they destroyed the sudan, which was also an oil explorer when the united states and the european. and then there is libya, of course. so when he united states in its european allies, destroy these countries or impose sanctions on these countries. and there's a loss in global production or at the capacity for production then. well, when they sanction the russians, then they get what they deserve. now they've created the shortage themselves. so now, because they've destroyed so many different countries, because the sanction so many different countries, we see poetic justice,

they said they sanctioned the russian. they send the prices through the roof. all the sanction countries are making money. the russians are making money and europe goes into crisis. okay, am i sorry, i would say we lost you there for a 2nd. i'm glad you're back here, but unfortunately, we're out of time. fascinating discussion in the global south something. crosstalk is going to continue to wanna explore here many. so i guess in to read and correct and in new delhi. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, see you next time. remember that rules? ah ah, when i was showing wrong when i just don't know, i mean you have to shape out. this thing becomes the advocate and engagement.

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