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because the past 160 years by relying on its innately vast squalls of oil and natural gas for projecting economic power, yet it was john d rockefeller. who infamously said that, quote, unquote, competition is a sin. hence, this manic drive for regime changing moscow back into ideally a drunken and nap and thus western compliant yeltsin figure, or better yet of a load of mir tony montana. as zalinski figure, well, splitting russia ideally into pieces and appropriating its resources. once again, that steaks have never been higher for the ruling transatlantic occult establishment elite who are at this point willing to sacrifice billions of people if necessary, to retain and scale their political, economic, technocratic, metaphysical power. they collectively make dr. strange look, dr. strange love look like mr. bean. it ever take to an ad flesh to what i just said here. go back to the history of the yukos affair and that's where all started . pie is absolutely right, boons, a reformer. he's
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a westerner and then the yukos of air happened, and it's been downhill ever since because rushes of protecting its economic resources primarily energy. matthew, let me go to you because we've heard all of this talk now. no negotiations, you know, not even don't give up one inch of ground all of this here, which is actually a signal that okay, fine, we don't need to negotiate. we're going to end this the hard way. and the in the, in the west is saying, and they already know that ukraine probably can't win this, but they're going to continue to support it's, it's a war effort here. i mean, this is absolutely idiocy and nonsense. and his pie is pointed out, the billions of people around the world are going to be impacted or are being impacted by this. go ahead, matthew. yes, as, as lindsay graham famously recently said, the weird, they're willing to fight to the last ukraine, and that's great. they really just see the people who live in ukraine as just your cannon fodder. and this is really coming out loud and clear is as it speaks right
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now. i think that what we're facing right now is a logic of scarcity. ve the finance your oligarchy, that is trying to manage and contain control of the multi polar alliance, which is emerged in russia's obviously a key player. and that are desperate that a new type of system is going to be brought on line. that is premised around abundance in the creation of free energy that will not justify the type of mo lucien population reduction that they desire. and they have been working towards this for many decades. and that's why they sort of want to go back in time to the 990 s and just reverse the clock and pretend that the belt road initiative didn't exist. the origin economic union did not exist. and unfortunately frayne has been playing a joke. political role as a destabilization force in that process, but it's a plaything. they're willing to dispose of the people living in ukraine as much as they're willing to ultimately dispose of the people living in europe or in the united states. because the, the lease currently tech, the technocratic beliefs, are completely psychologically more emotionally,
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intellectually detached from the citizens that they are supposed to represent. they're willing to sacrifice them. i would, i mean, i would even go further there ideologically possessed. that's why they cannot see other options or ideologically possessed people. and they're all interchangeable, aren't they? you know, it doesn't really matter which what leader it is they can be moved over to another country equipment. because with that, we have a ruling class that, you know, they talk about diversity, but they're all exactly the same. they may look different, but they are all exactly as m, anthony is something that's already been mentioned. the program i think is really important is that russia and countries that are remained friends and aligned with a friendly with it. they represent an alternative to the west and the west cannot accept that. they cannot accept that anyone else can do, do it better because the, the west is failing and that's why we have so many countries around the world that will not condemn russia for the, for the military operation and ukraine. go ahead, anthony. yes, that's correct. he said, i have to concur with what's written said say fall i,
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if you look at the situation regarding the media and sexy and the u. k is absolutely impossible to have another job you are regarding your crime. it's actually the golf course. it's both list to the course we've had the situation where doesn't matter, which prime minister is empower whether it was or a strong civil list strauser will you be here on the strength or becoming next? i don't just a book the policy of the train and the course for these big calls for the general election of the u. k. i, i learned that whole the, like the policy of going to exactly the same policy on the crane and russia. so should disaster situation and do they have are of the people of the kind? well, i shouldn't have a referendum about what they went to and the war because i suspect a lot of them do. i'm sorry. yeah. ok. let me, let me go to los angeles here,
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a pie after everything we've seen, particularly since february 24th. is there any way going back? because, you know, there are these people, a lot of them are libertarians to, for some reason, think, you know, we just go back to the minutes, go chords, you know, that could be a point of reference. i mean, i think these people are all delusional. i think bridges have been cut, i think a deep chasm has created here, and there are countries like india, russia, china, that have no interest in going back to what was before, because it didn't work for them. so why should they reconsider it? and on top of it, all of these western leaders with their smiles and dangling shiny little things in front of your face. they don't keep their word, actually, they lie a lot, go ahead pipe. i mean, there's no way to go back because there's been a far as, as far as the, the story line. certainly since, as early as 2008 with the global financial crisis with that permanently did was
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shift so much of the western middle class that had built over decades prior since the 2nd world war out of gear. and hence why you have homeless strewn across. otherwise, tony suburban laws, lawns across america, north america. i just so, you know, that's why i mentioned earlier, the stakes are, are massive because the entire eurasian east and certainly the global south are on to the facade and are trying to circumvent uh, what has been essentially trans atlantic economic hedge. a monic rule, a for quite a while, is quickly a note on tactics here regarding a russia 11000 sanctions have been applied against russia since february since the start of the war. if spectacularly boomerang, because you cannot sanction such a massive global energy provider without essentially collapsing your own brittle house of cards, fiscal house of cards, eventually the russian rouble is the strongest performing currency of 2022 out
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pacing what it was before. sanctions russians of earn $200000000000.00 and energy exports since february despite lock trade elsewhere like the east needs to really do some sober soul searching over what it's trying to do. it's, you know, matthew, it's one of the and, and i have to say and i up my, my road record about talking about the what would become this conflict and what they would conflict became i have to have that down almost perfectly except for one thing that pi mentioned, i got the rubel thing completely wrong because before february 24th, it was a soft currency. now it's a hard currency. amazing. yeah, no, absolutely. and, and i mean, if anything, it's driven a more nations of the multiple or alliance of eurasia into each other's arms and have they've named like china, india, russia, we've already been moving in towards a very strong brotherhood, have only double down now. and i mean, india is now buying what, 8 times more energy, 9 times more fertilizers from russia than they were the same time. last year, china's boomed, they've,
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they've made up for all of their losses to europe and put his has recently said as well, like if it's, if it's not, it's a, it's on you. the ball is in your court. all you have to do is turn on the chaps we're even willing to provide all of the energy you need and more through even turkey, if you want there still viability in parts of the, the north stream to that could supply the vital needs of european. so i think are getting massive exhaustion right now over the ukraine propaganda. and they only wants to provide this winter and beyond and have a life that's for your average citizen wants. but russia and china and india are providing an actual method on how to actually do this competently and oh, we're running out of time. i mean, it's the, the chances to actually get on board with this and avoid world war 3, or at least avoid a dark age scenario in the west is, is on our a west as on, on trajectory of di, industrialization. and there seemed to be a lot of people on board with that. and again, nobody asked the people of europe if they would vote on such a thing. but that's what they're getting. we to talk a little bit more about how energy politics and green politics have become
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a perfect storm. gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine staying with auntie. a media look on your bill says that it does not sit down with what is in spoken with statistics at least on reduced williams. sure, it's a, you know, i don't know much about with frustration,
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but most people with bowlers within a certain amount of function you, when you check less people with reason joy, you're going to send me a storage form which you are concerned. the purpose graham should, who today authorize an additional strong sanction foreign company is acquitting russia numbers on to on saying to you this client atm cause of blanton bangs disconnected from the international payment system. the social move hoppey journal, donna and euro exchange rates follow up on a couple more stuff. so carbon would know what the committee met. evoke missed the pill. investment is the current. can you say, i don't know?
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sure. see, i'm a j a. suppose you russian business overcome this song? see near i bought it to the nasty to huddle. she tremendously just me don't impress voice bullshit. not sure. productive notches steel nash, a miracle. what i see, i put themselves. but when you come, when you, with what you got annual, i mean why did not, but i, she's got a lot of key to cost to get the group when you, when you, with a little bit, you know, the motion with only one main thing is important. not to some internationally speaking to that is that nations that's allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the minor nation. so all the slaves, americans, proc obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. and international law exist as
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long as it serves american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this danger is boy man that wants to take over the world. that was a culture strategy. so some of it on your own, i not leashed off in zebulon and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we moved east. the reason us, hey jim, it is so dangerous. is it deny the sovereignty of all the countries? the exceptionalism that america uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nature, what is bad shareholders in united states and elsewhere in large obs companies would lose millions of millions or is business and business is good. and that is the reality of what we're facing,
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which is fashion. and look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such order that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence at the point obviously is too great. trust as other than share. i'm very shy with artificial intelligence real summoning with obama's protective phone existence with ah, welcome back to cross sac, were all things are considered on peter labelle tremonti we're discussing ukraine
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with okay, go back to anthony and we're thing. it's really quite interesting to me how the, the conflict in ukraine is a dovetailed in with this new green deal that so many of the elite ser, pushing here, that nobody gets to vote on by the way. nobody ever votes on this. okay. but the ukraine issue is a pivot for them to get this agenda on board because it's an emergency here. you know, i'm a green purse. i like nature and all of that. but i don't think, can you explain to me the boneheaded miss of europeans saying, where does get it out? no more. russian gas, we don't want it. it's evil gas. okay. i mean, these people are not thinking pragmatically fine, you know, over years, new technologies, all that sites in fine. you know, they wanted, they really want a quick departure from this blowing up the pipelines north stream. pushed it along
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here. i mean, i can't see a future of europe, have it having any kind of productivity with no cheap energy, anthony, how can you explain that? well, reality is from the previous possession with russia was that she assisting the green agenda. now i think when he's pushing it now, because economically, it just doesn't work well they all say pushing on the safe and dangerous nuclear power as an alternative to ship energy. so it's all a complete catastrophe. and ninety's been austin, although in hungary i own going to have a referendum on sanctions against russia. in the u. k, there is a cut and i have a referendum on the big neutral in the russia. ukraine. com. thanks. it's been completely no phone by literally it will remain the same media. so
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there's a, we're up against the complete propaganda on this, on this issue. so, but i think these things which are happening, you know, reversible because you look what happened with a 19 vaccines agenda. i you check this up again. i'm sorry. may we're out of luck to hung on everything else. so i think these propagandists are quite capable of changing the agenda when i see that my cost are back with regard to the old i. they want to come out to be very well because russia will undoubtably come out a bit very well. and the cycle questions or comments that he's will come out with a bad way. but you know, be fighting the way i say, what does this actually mean?
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because these countries all a true pro by global as fast it interest, and we say listen, the chinese recently i, what we need is a bit more democracy in the western european countries. maybe because we're having policies which have approval from the update regarding this conflict in do you try and russia did we need to bear in mind that russia was and both the 1st of the 2nd world was it wasn't that long ago that a number of members with the royal family were officially visiting russia to improve relations. i think it's not possible to go back showing there when i, if you remember, we had the presser reagan and gorbachev agreements. we need people here go states like abilities like we have been, but some of them for shame,
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that's very much one thing with i will, i wish i could agree with you about the political back to pine los angeles. the problem is, is that we have a lead now that it is ideologically possessed. they do not see other options. yeah . that's why i don't see any real leader coming out of the west because their ideology doesn't allow it. it's, it's kind of like, it's kind of like the history of catholicism. you know, once you have the savior, you know, you, you, then you, you know, and you can have someone follow, you know, we already found it. ok, this ideologies so frozen and pipe. if someone of stature say we should sit down and negotiate, then you're just to put in propagandists and stooge. they have painted this discursive themselves into this discursive corner. they can't find a way out and their material being is going to be degraded very, very quickly. i mean, the winter is starting, that's what i started out in my, my introduction. the consequences are going to be very great and not just for one
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winter for many winters. ahead. go ahead by. yeah, i mean the, there cards are limited as far as playing a. first of all the green movement you guys were referencing earlier for decades. what that has been is essentially the, the top power structure of the owners of the banks who are tied very closely. as matthew pitt can attest to the energy companies and have been for a well over a century. that's just sweeping propaganda. the green movement in large part has been a means for trying to get the rest of the world's attention deflected away from oil, natural gas of carbon. what are based fuels? because it is the monopoly or a perceived as the required monopoly of london, a swiss and new york banks, and yet, western and eurasia is assisting russia and its energy spine. while integrating, sweeping infrastructure growth is matthew is referencing earlier, russia and china will simply expedite the replacement of this 49 year old petro
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dollar reserve recycling standard. while the u. s. fed hikes, interest rates into a deep recession of the largest banks, manipulate fuel prices high enough to seemingly engineer trans atlantic stagflation . you really have to ask yourself like the prop again, on one hand a which answer he was referencing versus tactics on the other. it becomes very transparent to anybody who's sober and thinking and has any appreciation for history. what's happening in the west? it, matthew, it ear me. i guess you need, you definitely need an appreciation of history in this day and age because very few people seem to have it. it same scene, you know, you don't have to be einstein to figure out. well, europe became safe and prosperous because, oh, and then i just got it cheap energy. so the indians and the chinese and everybody else in the world saw this formula work during the entire post war period. and they want to emulate the europeans. i want to do it. that's fine. that's your choice.
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it's your craven choice. no one is cutting it off from you. you're cutting yourself off. so what people see this isn't it is patently mad. go ahead, matthew. it is patently mad. i mean, no creature in the bios for that we can see a willfully just commit suicide on their own. this is not something that ever really happens. and it seems like there has been in ideology as you've alluded soon, and i and has. busy some of the point there is a governing ideology, almost a pseudo religion, and it's a pseudo religion masquerading behind a form of scientific sociological theorizing that is truly ivory tower that posits that we can go back in time to a state of christine, a stasis. no change where we somehow live in equilibrium with unchanging nature, with technologies like windmills that we, it had used last in the 13th 14th centuries. it was fine then when we had less than a 1000000000 people, but today with 8000000 or more, that is not going to work. and the effects of trying to undercut the type of
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abundance and means of production, both in food as well as industrial base of that this requires is bloodcurdling. the unfortunate thing is that we once had a very viable pro capital creation ethic before i was born, which has been under attack. now, there were many, many decades and russians at russia, china and india especially, are really learning from what we used to do and seeing well, why can't they simply use the model that made the west once great of industrial progress, leaping beyond the limits to growth by embracing new discoveries and applying it for the big needs of your society. that's what, that's what made us work. and we've, we've let that go now for decades by design. and we have a small window of opportunity to get it back, but it's a, it's again, it's a closing window. you know, anthony, when joe biden became president, and i think it was during his inaugural address. he said america have a foreign policy. the supports the middle class i'm that's not even a bad joke today. but in the reason i mentioned it in something that math you had
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to say is it, you know, you have the ration countries that are actually thinking about their middle class because a middle class for the ration countries is a relatively new phenomena. and it's something that makes their society's worth again, that you always say best practices borrow the best practices you know, europe did that in the postwar era building up middle class in the us as well. but they've abandoned that for ideology. and again, you know, one of the things i and i live here in moscow, the west is terrified of alternatives. alternative, a conservative society society that has religious beliefs, all these things because most of the world looks at the west now and bill wilderness about their woke ism in values and whatever these things they don't understand and i don't understand it. but what i, what i do see i reject it and i think i speak for the majority of the world, anthony. yes. hi, i'm a button thing which is pretty clear baffled between our various who promoted the
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work agenda. and i see you don't enjoy this being increasingly, you see that russia is, i've got valleys west west said go increasingly sorry, i know your point about the middle class. and so just so that will cost 6. basically the lower income people as well. the eighty's time, so maybe you can, you know, the best in countries look to walk is in the countries besson faster. they've never been in the best interest of the u. k. should be both in the credit and completed on the vast majority countries in the world, not century russia that's involving several nights. so the wells population and lots of countries, even the ones have condemns russia in the day. and i've done a g deals, russia,
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we're just costing around the country and still continuing with these sanctions and pouring money and sharing corrupts, ukrainian, government, dep, it, you know, that i've worked with have most corrupt. so how much in the world we were told by fighting for freedom and democracy that but they didn't have freedom, right? democracy. and i want to go to, i want to go to los angeles pie. i want to give you the last 30 seconds for getting up so early today. last 30 seconds got to you. just quickly back to ukraine, the world bank declared a recently, the ukraine's economy will shrink to 8 times more than that of russia's. but again, as we have reiterated multiple times during the program, london, washington, brussels and television, do not care. they'll throw the entirety of europe, certainly ukraine to be sacrificed, that arresting russian. and more importantly, why tighter eurasian economic integration and growth. okay, wonderful point to and on. i want to thank my guests in montreal where they and in
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los angeles, and i want to thank our viewers for watching a c, a r t c. and next time, remember crossing 1950, the u. s. s. i was returning to peaceful life, but the newspapers didn't report ongoing massacres and the ukranian ssr, according to intelligence ukrainian nationalists and the ukrainian insurgent army, led by romans forgive. each perpetrated these atrocities to huge reserves, but hold that that was full. and what i should do self for me, why you would be wise review. i pushed because of all course we'll do a menu or avo suit. a plot of was the head of the n k v. d. sabotage. department of the time he was tossed with stopping the atrocities in ukraine for a good reason. general suit blanch of was very familiar with the situation. he had
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experienced fighting the nationalist before the wall at the movie pool. named lovelyn. she contact via the lights in nevada. so didn't know could amy, but it was black, unbroken. the task was tremendously difficult, but soon blanton was determined to complete it. he had personal accounts to settle with the ukrainian nationalists with . ah,
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i do recall with this with you, i guess with you i'm with
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mike with full credit. it's going to be out of wood from beach still easy to the station, but in the board with a out becomes the advocate and engagement. it was the trail.
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