of inhumane treatments of calcium russian soldiers, including multiple witness accounts, saying they manes and even killed prisoners of war. the black mailing of relatives and friends of the captives has become another regular affair. according to the human rights chief of the dentist people's republic settling at the cambridge. unfortunately, such a pills comes to us almost every day because relatives are subjected to such attacks from the craning side, it is difficult to say whether this is a deliberate move on the part of the ukrainian special services was such a pills, personal passport, date and photos of the photos themselves are often sent, especially if they're wounded. this is where this population takes place. most of these cases have gone unnoticed by the west. and of those been held for defending their lands. now apparently have to deal with ukrainian swindlers to room on call for of artsy done. that's the people's republic. well, by rob thought this new segment of next is pitiless. very long crosstalk and ruling

back of the top of the hour. so with ah, [000:00:00;00] a hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered i am peter about so does what a mere potency,

his country place in the world. at the recent meeting of the bow tie discussion group he did is much and much more. he critique the west in its meal liberal ideology, and he made it clear. no one can sit out the coming storm facing be international system. ah . to discuss these issues and more on joined by my guess martin j and mera cash. he's an award winning journalist, and commentator, and in budapest we have george samuel lee. he's a podcast at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and the locals. are gentlemen cross up rules. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want, and i would appreciate it. take care to start out with you in budapest, here before we talk about what vladimir putin had to say at the annual di discussion group, i was just thinking as we started here, is it so much is commented on what? who has never said and,

and very little is commented on what he actually says here. so that's my segue into his commentary. was very interesting commentary on the west and its ideology, neoliberalism. and i think it was also kind of a sermon on how the west is portrayed the enlightenment. you're absolutely right. it's because the way the media presented brewton speech was entirely a misleading because you like to live the way it was me to say, oh, put in 1st through down the gauntlet to the west. well, you did not throw down any kind of a gauntlet because what he said is it, on the contrary, it is the way today that is out of sorts with the rest of the world, the west in the grip of a neo liberal etiology. and he also made clear that this 80 ology is here to largely by

a kind of minority lead um that runs the west. and that he's not actually in keeping with the values of the where. so i think as you say, license i said that this west a is that goes against the traditional values of many societies around the world. and that it's a very, a hostile, aggressive. he used to put a neo imperial in its arrow insistence on imposing its values. and its culture on the rest, and that is for those who do not adhere to this the neo liberal etiology, others subjected to sanctions on color revolutions, clues, and indeed bombs. and so he was saying low, you know, if the wife wants to go down this path is going to find yourself increasingly isolated from the rest of the world. so it is very much saying russia is in the

mainstream in the global mainstream. it is the west that is isolating itself, so it's the complete opposite from the, the way the western media presented to speed and going back to throwing down the gauntlet know, read what he had to say. peaceful coexistence. that was the message also, you know, it's when let let you know that's the way you want to do things for your society. that's fine, but the rest of the world, they have other ideas here. and it's for me, it's kind of like a new oriental is ok because they, the west wants to say that it is a band in parallelism, in colonialism and all these bad things from white people in here. but actually it's, it's being repaired. it's go ahead. yeah. it's been repackage, it's been remodeled. i so toussant was remarkably sympathetic to the west. it was only had this in this affection for old year and that he would have likes, you know, the whole thing to go in

a different direction in the last few years since ninety's when. so the unit clubs, but it didn't happen. and i think what i got from speech was a sort of a romanticism, a certain reflection on the old days and how europe in the west could have been so much more close to russia that they could have been almost done. they almost couldn't petite. the, the old empire, the imperial, a western, it has his colonial history. illness pitied them, and i almost made the point, you know, that we didn't make a point that we are on the cusp, all the revolution and that word revolution i think resonates. you know, because when you think of revolution, you tend to think of bloodshed, you tend to think of colonial power in the invading and poor countries and setting up an administration and so forth. but that's not really what he's talking about. he's talking about a new world, which involves what it, we should really keep calling a global self because it's so much more. it's just the rest of the world. it's just

not you is the rest of the, the west, you know, the west doesn't take up such a great space as people like to think of the dose of the wealth of the rest of the world is tired of this old model and feel cheated. you know, i mean, i spent a lot of my career in africa. i spent a lot of my time talking to the economist, the professors who worked behind government ministers, elena, constantly talk about this western model. america has that, you know, it comes in a offers financial assistant aid and trade user doesn't work. and then you generate to a level where countries become so or good to go to america on their hands and knees . and also, i'm afraid else. at this point, you're completely in america's pocket. you can't do anything. you can't breathe, you can't operate. you are basically economy. and they're tired of this. they're seen this. they've seen that this is disingenuous. this is this towel draped. you know distasteful ideology as just ruined them. and they've been looking for a new world order for an awful long time. but i had to say watching the speech of

pitch in the couple things struck where a saudi was in remarkably good shape for a man who, according to western intelligent agencies, is bushings last days. or if you want to believe british newspapers just 4 or 5 weeks ago, he was speculated he might be dead. and the only people we keep seeing, you know, our on our end to sort of doubles stunt doubles, you know, i mean, just the 2nd thing that struck me, i kept asking myself, i wonder how many western leaders could do that. we didn't, you know, we skeptical journalists like me, we always think of those kind of commerce as a script. anyway, less people know the questions beforehand that happens all over the world. that's not a russia thing. i saw that for 11 years in brussels, but a lot of it seemed to me wasn't so scripted because he, his responses were pensive at times. and he actually even contradict himself a couple of times when you actually went through thought process. so it was very impressed with that, but you know, could how many leaders could do that 3,

i could buy and even do the 3 minutes. i mean, somebody would have to help by doing away from the podium only had only john, better been made to abide. good. george, you know we've already been in touch, but i think it's really important to say no one can sit out that coming storm. and when i took from that is that because the west is universalize, it's so called values. that's the storm that we're all going to confront. and no one can set it out because of this. i mean the we universalist attitude is messianic and it's dangerous. yes. no question, and i think it's very instructive, really, to book and speech and with the statement of jamie raskin, who was an important congressman in the united states,

who essentially a holy war against russia, a century he's now we'll have presented russia as the great satan and that there is really no peace is possible, the great state a peaceful coexistence. this has to be a walk to the finish. and rescan is not an insignificant person in the united states. he's a very important congressman laid important role in the a january. the 6th committee, and he speaks for a very substantial democrats, and the point is that this is now increasingly out the united states is a conflict with russia and there isn't really any voice in the us countering that. and so, therefore,

it's really west that is now declared russia to be the enemy. why is russia the enemy and other russia equal to the united states? but russia is the leader all a global coalition that seeks to resist this western imperialism. the western etiology, lead weston, so values a russia, a what actually resistance you hit the nail on the head. i think that's what emerged from this conference. it was that was held in a new coalition of recalcitrant countries that were going to fight the west is just resistance is just on too many countries. a looking for some sort of leadership in the world, which opposes this usage. it had germany which we put up for so long, and some of these countries really pay enormously the price for being part of. so i think the word is resistance. i think, yeah, but to both of you,

i think we can add on resistance to resistance as the resistance is because an alternative is being presented alternative, but it's not aggressively, it's not aggressive, you know, it's on my way or the highway. i mean, that's what this is what the, how the west is universalize it. but what we're, what we're all talking about is that there is an alternative and it can, we want to peacefully, co exist with you as you go through your fever, georgia. yeah, that's right. so that's what it's trying to do because what the west is seeking is to impose its factors that can be no resistance to this. they can be no, i'm saying, well, we don't really go along with it. no, there is only one way to progress for all societies, and that's essentially what raskin was saying. he just spelled it all out. and we, and we heard this in the 20th century from so we really, really have because raskin, you know, essentially sounded like we believe bolsheviks. and therefore, you know that this is this,

we are the center of the global revolution. and he said, no, the resistance. and the resistance to gay rights resistance, every motion on it all center in moscow that will, that we have to slay that a most of the rest of the world to say these are values, but the united states is not accepting of that. i mean, you know, we, we have the u. s. embassy that regularly during gay pride models. you know, flies the, the game. why do you think we have u. s. embassy is that toys, murals of george troy, a career criminal, and a lifelong young kid. so this is, you know, this is, this is an accidental issue. these are the values the united states seeks to explore. it's

a very extreme ideology and it's totally alien to most people's, of the whoa, yeah. and, and at the same time, we have a lead in the west that are completely oblivious because they cannot see that there could be an alternative to bear. it's, it's, it's a, it's a cult. it's very messy on our general, and i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to what you're breaking up with that jump right into our discussion. so ah, ah, who is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions. today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing.

with the mind the we're, we're banding all imports of russian oil and gas new g. i. g with joe by imposing the sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. you so there is your boomerang. ah, ah ah, ah, welcome after cross that we're all things are considered. i'm peter. well, this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real moves.

ah . ok, let's go back to martin america. in light of what we said in the 1st part of the program, we can bring in ukraine right now. or now it's been what we talked about it as it was happening. there was a very early on in the conflict in ukraine, the trainings and the russian sat down on this. them bull with ben morris, johnson showed up western pressure don't make a deal. if you make a deal, we're not going to back, you know, this is for us, it is common knowledge and for our viewers, but that's kind of slowly seeping out over the last couple of weeks. and then why is a negotiation impossible because of the ideology of these elite, you cannot compromise this ideology. does not allow compromise negotiations. it only wants absolute victory. it wants to vanquish,

it does not. and then it doesn't except an interlocutory. that is different. it has a different point of view, has different interests mark. i'm christian made that point in the speech. if i remember correctly, he said we've been trying to talk to the europeans to the west for so long. well, a, his reply was, they simply reply with no, and i think not really sums it up and i'm not sure, you know, we have this incredible bigotry from the west. you know, you, you mentioned that the, they just don't seem to be able to look at any other options. it reminds me very much of being in a press conference in brussels in december 1999 when the euro was rolled out. and there was a massive fiberglass model of the euro coin. and i, european commissioner, jubilant at this a. and i, and i had mentioned not in the conference but later term. is there any contingency plan and channel is laughter? they actually laughed at what a ridiculous question. you know that we're seeing the same thing here. now with ukraine, there are no options. there are no a, b,

c. there's only one way for the west. they dug themselves into the hall. it's the way i describe it. to people is a rich man who buyers are very expensive for painting. the more expensive to painting the less inclined to the rich man is, is to accept that it's like, i think we've gone into this ideology that we can win in ukraine. but ukraine is not really the place where you need to when you finish the territory. this is one country. what we saw with the speech just the other day with, with it was, it was talking about the well and how, i think even he was surprised. but perhaps how, even though we did the russians can lose ground in ukraine. they are gaining ground play considerably around the world with dozens, if not schools, of these countries who are looking to him. i know setting up sensitive to the conference and talking about, you know, this new world. and i thought is really interesting how to putin seems to be absolutely hell bent on keeping this new association,

this new condition of whether you want to call it in formal as possible. and i think this is the key, i think is the key to success because the moment you phone life is the moment you create expensive shiny offices in moscow or have a wonderful the money. i want to keep it informal because he thinks that's the way of actually bringing more countries into the field. you know, everything is hierarchical and i think that's what i'm, i'm agreeing with when you start formula. and then, and then it's obvious that the neo liberal, i'm a leads would say, see there's are new enemy. because if george, if you look at people that are sympathetic to what we're talking about here, you know, and africa, asia, south america. i mean, none of us, none of us would foolishly say they're all the same. no, they are not there very, very so many different variations here. and it's working on their commonalities. i'm having enough of western gemini as

a martin that said in the 1st part of the program is that it's, if you formalize it, then it looks like it, then it turns into a hierarchy and it's a pecking order, and it's a replication of what the, it's already done, and then you and somehow it becomes an ideology. so that said that medical to what we've been, we've been hearing in the global south. i agree with martin, we got a bunch of different terms, the rest of the world. go ahead in the rest of the world and the various institutions. russia has been building up since the minds of the soviet union for the organization. all essentially suggest to the rest of the world. then there are alternative forms of development. so the western powers who have the seeking, you know, hey, come on over to russia, the enemy, russia is violating the rules based on the, you know, you're going to be with us that,

that isn't working for the rest of the world. you know, for one thing, they don't see russia as the enemy. russia was, it was not the imperial power. they have experience of imperial powers. and the people who have ruled over the russian ever ruled over them. and they, you know, they will look back on a long tradition during the call will be having good relations with the soviet union. they didn't have any time for communism. but they did find that the soviet union was not sympathetic to their problems and their plight. and offered them assistance, and that is show russia enormously post cold war era. and so when barry's johnson goes to india and demands that you have to be with us, i just remind them of their old in burial now, you know, there's a, you know, reminiscent of the raj, you know, those are what we have the, you know,

the british government telling us what to do, and i think that's been very, very important part of russia, diplomacy, and extraordinary dividends. how actually the west continues to blossom at the united nations? essentially, it's the same gang always together and the rest of all just isn't buying into it. in a martin it goes back to is a hotly debated in the seventy's and the 1980s about passed to modernization. and of course there was one school of thought the going to be have true modernization it through westernization. and that's being put to the test. right. now, because when my demanding that it must be through a westernized, you pull in this meal liberal ideology, ok it's, it's much more multifaceted than that. and of course, you know, jamie raskin that's already been mentioned here. he can conceive of that. there's only one half of development. he is truly the 21st century. greatest bolshevik. go

ahead, mark. yeah, nice is, is still a panera's world, isn't it? no matter how, how you look at it. if you look, look at the use talk diplomat, joseph beretta and god himself and a whole or to just roughly by talking about you as a golden person. well, as a jungle, you know, i mean, what the hell is this guy talking about it like this kind of elitist mentality from, from the china shouldn't have any of his follow up blog job. even deeper. did you notice go, it's just embarrassing, you know, and it just, it, when is a, is a, is a timeline. is that a monster of the end of the west? you know, this declined urchin is talking about that. all these countries are witnesses now, you know, is that some idiotic spanish socialist says something so racist a certain that christie and certainly just like that. and you wonder why, you know that in one of these countries just look at you say we're, we're tired of you coming to you so much that we talk about as human rights. you know,

china comes in and build schools and roads and hospitals and interests. so there is this new world world, i thought i thought it was really interesting. the most interesting question that was put to putin. i watch the whole thing was i think a chinese journalist or chinese delegate go mr. wong. who said, what about this new world all over? if russia is to take the lead and everyone assumes a russia will. what will the rules beef i'm putting really hating this question really had the word wolf. what rules. he sort of said, well, you know, i don't think we should talk too much about rules, but in fact, there are rules already that exist. and he excited the un charter, which is quite funny, really, you know. but then you and java is a parody. i mean, it's a fossil set up the, you know, the west of broken time and time again what it, what it, what are american troops doing in syria right now in our international law isn't good as the people who sign sign up to it, you know, and i but he putin talked about rocks and he doesn't like trade books actually real blocks in the sense developing in asia. because he thought that that would be a threat to china. and china should be allowed to flex his muscles and develop as

much as it can. so, you know, you've got this, these ideas emerging. i think i'm, i don't, but i don't swallow them by this line from the go to tell the film the power is something to be taken. i think what we're witnessing now now from the speech and in this period during the grain war and how russia is actually developing his g, a political power because of the frame. but what he's saying is that power is not taken. power is actually a taken handed over issue like, and these countries are all looking to put in to create a base to create a central system. so that perhaps all of these small over these organizations like breaks of yes here which are growing all the time. but happily can all come on to some umbrella organization and the phone and have some central place somewhere. you know, people are actually suggesting in that conference that it may not even be most good . the russians consider creating a new capital just for the to be

a sense of this. some organization, not strong rules, not a gemini, you know, something very, very informal, which will help china accelerate this economy and russia to support and all these other countries can be puddled up. some of these countries, you know, that i want to be part of this new world, a surprising us. some of them are actually old friends of the west, you know, saudi arabia, most to join bricks, you know, and something that you not see reported anywhere in western media. not even 3 lines . is that morocco stood up and defined us sanctions against russia and signed deals with most of just a week ago. so nuclear power wants to be built here. you know, that's not being reported by western journalist because that goes flies in the face of the narrative. that it is a victory to russia and juggler rapidly running out of time. but ukraine is the crucible in this kind of ideological chris western ideological for say, as almost nothing to do with your grade. again, i don't want to give raskin so much air time, but i mean, you and i, and i,

i ask our viewers to take a look at what, how raskin sees ukraine. i mean, this is pure lunacy. ok, but it is a purely an ideological construct. there are no real people there. it's, it's a crucible, it's an idea. and this is a sword where the west, i think it does that. it's the hill that my guy on. ok, go ahead. and raskin does say that victory in ukraine is absolutely essential. the future of humanity depends on the in ukraine, and there's no question. i mean, the west us decided to throw in everything on the ukraine and defeating russia, to the west of a said, hey, this is the greatest challenge that we now face of our head, human a, our rules based on that is being threatened by this new group of powers lead by russia, and we are going to fight to the bit around here. that's a, that's

a high risk strategy because if you want to, you raise the stakes, then you is better when a man is really come to see you. hell then god failed that right there. god need me. which one? what's not so pathetic is the the nature of the regime and kevin military wanted the $31.00 labors up not seats. ok, and this is what the progress i want to support here. ok. last 30 seconds. good. you are glad. i yeah, i'm done. you know, you mentioned your crime and these, these white supremacist groups. those are being supported. those are being endorsed by the european unit and just the other day. i think it was a day yesterday. and, you know, the bombing now over the russian fleet in the black sea, just quite worrying. and i think that's also a signal to all of us that you can give. regime was never very serious about the

grant exports coming out of the black sea. and supposedly helping solving africans that was all fake news produced by the american admission gender for escalation. they were all staring into the abyss, but there's only one party that is escalating it. and unfortunately they'll have to be a reaction. gentlemen, we have run out of time, want to thank my guest, american, and in budapest and i think you were watching the c r c next time. remember ah

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