in budapest we have, george sent me well. he's a podcast at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and the locals are generally crossed up rules. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want, and i would appreciate it to start out with you in budapest, year before we talk about what vladimir putin had to say at the annual dye discussion group, i was just thinking as we started here, is it so much is commented about what who has never said, and very little is commented on what he actually says here. so that's my segue into his commentary. was very interesting commentary on the west and it's ideology, neoliberalism. and i think was also kind of a sermon on how the west is portrayed the enlightenment. you're absolutely right. it's because the way the media presented in speech was entirely a misleading because you like to live the way it was me to say, oh, put in 1st throw down the gauntlet to the west. well,

he did not throw down any kind of a gauntlet because what he said is it, on the contrary, it is the wes today that is out of swords with the rest of the world, the west in the grave of a neo liberal etiology. and he also made clear that this, he ology is here to largely by a kind of minority elite for that runs of the west. and that he's not actually in keeping with the values of the where. so i think as you say, license i said this west is that goes against the traditional values of many societies around the world and that it's a very hostile, aggressive, you know, he's been neo imperial in its arrogance insistence on imposing its value and culture on the rest, and that if for those who do not adhere to this in the liberal etiology,

others subjected to sanctions for color revolution whose and indeed bombs. and so he was saying low 0 if the wife wants to go down this path is going to find yourself increasingly isolated from the rest of the world. so it's, it's very much saying russia is in the mainstream in the global mainstream. it is the last that is isolating itself, so it's the complete opposite from the, the way the western media presented to speed. and going back to throwing down the gauntlet know, read what he had to say. peaceful coexistence. that was the message also, you know, it's when lead, you know, that's the way you want to do things for your society. that's fine. but the rest of the world, they have other ideas here. and it's, for me, it's kind of like a new oriental is ok because they, the west wants to say that it is

a band in imperialism in colonial is, and all these bad things from white people in here. but actually it's, it's being repaired, it's go ahead. yeah, it's been repackage, it's been remodeled. i thought it was remarkably sympathetic to the west. it was only had this in this affection over here that he would have likes, you know, the whole thing to go in a different direction in the last few years since ninety's when. so the unit, but it didn't happen. and i think what i got from speech was a sort of a romanticism, a certain reflection on the old days and how europe in the west could have been so much more close to russia that they could have been almost done. they almost couldn't pity the, the old and the old called the imperial, a western countries that have this kind of history, illness, pitch them. and i almost made the point, you know, that we didn't make a point that we are on the cost of the revenue and that word of alicia,

i think resonates. it's, you know, because when you think of revolution, you tend to think of bloodshed, you tend to think of colonial power in the invading and poor countries and setting up the administrations and so forth. but that's not really ways talking about. he's talking about a new world, which involves what it should really keep calling a global south because it's so much more. it's just the rest of the world. it's just, you're not, you is the rest of the, the west, you know, the west doesn't take up such a great space as people like to think it does on the wealth. but the rest of the world is tired of this old model and feel cheated. you know, i mean, i spent a lot of my career in africa. i spent a lot of my time talking to the economists and the professors who work behind government ministers, elena, constantly talk about this western model that america has. it comes in a offers financial assistant aid and trade usually doesn't work. and then you generate to a level where countries become so poor that they go to america on their hands and

knees and also i'm afraid else. at this point, you're completely in america's pocket. you can't do anything, you can't breathe, you can't operate. you are basically economy. and they're tired of this. they've seen this. they've seen that this is disingenuous. this is this towel draped. you know distasteful ideology as just ruined them. and they've been looking for a new world order for an awful long time. but i had to say watching the speech of pitch in the couple things struck where i thought he was in remarkably good shape for a man who, according to western intelligence, is, is measuring last days. or if you want to believe british newspapers just 4 or 5 weeks ago, it was speculated you might be dead. and the only people we keep seeing, you know, on our end to sort of doubles stunt doubles, you know, i mean, just the 2nd thing that struck me is i kept asking myself, i wonder how many western leaders could do that. 3 adults didn't, you know, and you know, skeptical journalists like me was, think of those kind of comes as

a script anyway. let people know the questions before that happens all over the world. there's no russia thing that i saw about for 11 years in brussels, but a lot of it seemed to me, it wasn't so scripted because he, his responses were pensive at times. and he actually even contradict himself a couple of times when you actually went through the process. so i was very impressed with that. but, you know, could how many leaders could do that? 3, i could buy and even do 3 minutes. i mean, somebody would have to help by going away from the podium, only had only john federal ban make joe biden. good, george, you know, we've already got a judgement. i've been think it's really important to say no one can sit out that coming storm. and i, when i took from that, is that because the west is universalize, it's so called values. that's the storm that we're all going to have to confront. and no one can set it out because of this. i mean it would be we universalists,

the attitude is messianic and it's dangerous. yes. no question. and i think it's very instructive, really to book and the speech. and with the statement of jamie raskin was an important congressman in the united states who essentially a holy war against russia, a century he's now we'll have presented russia as the great satan. and that there is really no peace is possible. the great satan, no peaceful coexistence. this has to be a walk to the finish, and rascan is not an insignificant person in the united states. he's a very important congressman laid important role in the

a january. the 6th committee. and he speaks for a very substantial democrats, and the point is that this is now increasingly out the united states is a conflict with russia. and there isn't really any voice in the u. s. countering that. and so therefore, it's really west that is now declared. russia to be the enemy. why is russia the enemy and i think of russia equal to the united states. but russia is the leader. all a global coalition that seeks to resist this western imperialism. the western etiology, lead weston, so values a russia, a word, actually resistance. you hit the nail on the head. i think that's what emerged from this conference. it was that was held in

a new coalition of recalcitrant countries that were going to fight the west is just resistance is just on too many countries. a looking for some sort of leadership in the world and which opposes this m u. s. and yet had germany, which we put up for so long, and some of these countries really pay enormously the price for being part of. so i think the word is resistance. i think, yeah, but to both of you, i think we can add on resistance to resistance as the resistance is because an alternative is being presented alternative is not aggressively, it's not aggressive, you know, it's on my way or the highway. i mean, that's with the how the west is universalize it. but what we're, what we're all talking about is that there is an alternative. and it can, we want to peacefully, co exist with you as you go through your fever, georgia. yeah, that's right. so that's what it's trying to do because what the west is seeking is to impose its factors that can be no resistance to this. they can be no,

i'm saying, well, we don't really go along with it. no, there is only one way to progress for all societies, and that's essentially what raskin was saying. he just spelled it all out. and we, we heard this in the 20th century, from someone who really had really happened because raskin, you know, essentially sounded like we believe bolsheviks. and therefore, the, you know, that this is this, we are the center of the global revolution. and he said no, the resistance and the resistance, no gay rights resistance, every motion on so it's all center in moscow that will, that we have to slave a most of the rest of the world in the say, these are values, but the united states is not accepting of that, i mean, you know, we, we have u. s embassy that regularly during gay pride models. you know,

flies the, the game. why do you think we have u. s. embassy is that toys, murals of george troy, a career criminal, and a lifelong young kid. so this is, you know, this is, this is an accidental issue. these are the values, the united states, the, it's a very extreme ideology and it's totally alien to most people's of the whoa. yeah. and in the same time, we have a leader in the west that are completely oblivious because they cannot see that there could be an alternative to bear. it's it's, it's a, it's a cult and it's very messy on our general. and i'm going to jump in here, we're going to go to what you're breaking up with that jump right into our discussion. so, ah,

the only one main thing is important for not ism internationally speaking to that is that nations that's allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the mind, the nations who are the slaves. americans, rock, obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves the american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this. danger is boy man that wants to take over the world. that was a conscious strategy. so some of it on noon, i know she leashed off to move on and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we move east. the reason this had germany is so dangerous, is it the law? the sovereignty of all the countries? the exceptionalism that america uses in its international war planning is one of

the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nature, what is founded, shareholders in united states and elsewhere in large obs companies would lose millions and millions, or is business and businesses good. and that is the reality of what we're facing. which is fashion. ah the ah ah ah ah ah, ah, a ah

ah, welcome to grass that were all things are considered. i and peter well this is the home addition to remind you we're discussing some real moves. ah ok, let's go back to martin america in light of what we said in the 1st part of the program . we can bring in ukraine right now. or now it's been what we talked about it as it was happening. there was a very early on in the conflict in ukraine, the trainings and the russian sat down in this bull with ben morris. johnson showed up western pressure don't make a deal if you make a deal, we're not going to back you up. this is for us that is common knowledge for our

viewers, but that's kind of slowly seeping out over the last couple of weeks. and then why is a negotiation impossible because of the ideology of these elite, you cannot compromise this ideology. does not allow compromise negotiations. it only wants absolute victory. it wants to vanquish, it does not. and then it doesn't except an interlocutory. that is different. it has a different point of view, has different interests mark. i'm christian made that point in the speech. if i remember correctly, he said we've been trying to talk to the europeans to the west for so long. well, and his reply was, they simply reply with no. and i think not really sums it up, and i'm not sure, you know, we have this incredible bigotry from the west. you know, you, you mentioned that the they just don't seem to be able to look at any other options . it reminds me very much of being in a press conference in brussels in december 1999 when the euro was rolled out and there was a massive fiberglass model of the euro coin. and i,

european commissioner, jubilant at this a and i, and i had mentioned not in the conference, but later term. is there any contingency plan and channel is laughter? they actually laughed at what a ridiculous question. you know, that we're seeing the same thing here. now, with ukraine, there are no options or on a, b, c. there's only one way for the west. they dug themselves into the hall. it's the way i describe it to people is a rich man who buyers are very expensive for painting the more expensive the painting, the less inclined to the rich man is to accept that it's like, i think we bought into this ideology that we can win in ukraine, but ukraine is not really the place where you need to when you finish the territory . it's just one country. well, we saw the speech yesterday, but the other day with, with it was, it was talking about the world and how, i think even he was surprised that perhaps, even though the russians can lose ground in your grain, they are gang gaining ground play considerably around the world with dozens,

if not schools, of these countries who are looking to him, i know sending representative to the conference and talking about, you know, this new world order. and i thought it was really interesting how to putin seems to be absolutely held bands on keeping this new association, this new coalition of what i want to call it informal as possible. and i think this is the key. i think the key to success because the moment you formalize the moment you create expensive shiny offices in moscow or the model is wonderful that you might want to keep it informal because he thinks that's the way of actually bringing more countries into the fault. you know, everything is hierarchical and i think that's what i'm agree would be when you start formula. and then, and then it's obvious that the neo liberal elites would say, see, there's our new enemy. because if you georgia, if you look at people that are sympathetic to what we're talking about here,

you know, africa, asia, south america, i mean, none of us relevant would foolishly say they are all the same. no, they are not there. very so many different variations here, and it's working on their commonalities having enough of western gemini as martin that said in the 1st part of the program, is that it's, if you warmer lies it, then it looks like that. then it turns into a hierarchy and the pecking order, and it's a replication. what's a west? it's already done and then you and somehow it becomes an ideology. it. so that said that medical to what we've been, we've been hearing in the global south. i agree with martin, we got a bunch of different terms, the rest of the world go ahead in the rest of the world and the various institutions. russia has been building up since the minds of the soviet union for the

organization. all essentially suggest to the rest of the world. then there are alternative forms of development. and so the western powers who have the seeking, you know, hey, come on over to our side. you know, russia is the enemy. russia is violating the rules based on the, you know, you going to be with us that, that isn't working for the rest of the world. you know, for one thing, they don't see russia as the enemy. russia was, it was not the imperial power. they have experience of imperial powers and the people who have ruled over them. russia ever ruled over them. and they, you know, they will look back on a long tradition during the call will be having good relations with the soviet union. they didn't have any time for communism, but they did find that the soviet union was not on sympathetic to their problems and applied and offered them assistance. and that is show russia enormously

post cold war era. and so when barry's johnson goes to india and demands that you have to be with us, i just remind them of their old in burial now, you know, there's a, you know, reminiscent of the raj, you know, those are what we have the, you know, the british government telling us what to do. and i think that's been very, very important part of russia diplomacy and it's paid extraordinary dividends. how actually the west continues to blossom at the united nations? essentially it's the same gang always together and the rest of us just isn't buying into it. in a martin that it goes back to is a hotly debated in the seventy's and the 1980s about past modernization. and of course there was one school of thought. the going to be have true modernization it through westernization, and that's being put to the test right now. because when my demanding that it must

be through a westernized, you pull in this neo liberal ideology. ok it's, it's much more multifaceted than that. and of course, you know, jamie raskin that's already been mentioned here. he can conceive of that. there's only one half of development. he is truly the 21st century. greatest bolshevik. go ahead, mark. yeah, it is still a panera's world, isn't it? no matter how, how you look at it. if you look, look at the use talk diplomat, joseph beretta, god himself and a whole or to just roughly by talking about you as a golden person, the well as a jungle. you know, i mean, what the hell is this guy talking about it like this kind of elitist mentality from, from the china. shouldn't have any of his follow up blog job. even deeper. did you notice go, it's just embarrassing, you know, and it just, it, when is a timeline? is that a monster of the end of the west? you know, this declined urchin is talking about that. all these countries are witnesses now,

you know, is that some idiotic spun? our socialist says something so racist. a certain that christie and certainly just like that. and you wonder why inner that in one of these countries just look at you say we're, we're tired of you coming here. you said you're not sure what you talk about as human rights. you know, china comes in and build schools and roads and hospitals and interests. so there is this new world world. i thought i thought it was really interesting. the most interesting question that was put to putin. i watch the whole thing was, i think a chinese journalist or chinese delegate go mr. wong. who said, what about this new world order? or if russia is to take the lead and everyone assumes a russia will. what will the rules, beef and puts in really hating this question really had the word wolf? what rules? he sort of said, well, you know, i don't think we should talk too much about rules. but in fact, there are rules already exists and he excited the un charter, which is quite funny, really, you know, but then you and java is a parody. i mean, it's a fast food set up the, you know, the west of broken time and time again with,

you know, what, what are american troops doing in syria right now? you know, international law isn't good. as the people who sign sign up to it, you know, and i, but he putin talked about blocks and he doesn't like tray brooks, actually really rocks in the sense developing in asia. because he thought that that would be a threat to china. and china should be allowed to flex his muscles and develop as much as it can. so, you know, you've got this, these ideas emerging. i think i'm, i don't but i don't swallow them by this line from the go to sell the film. the power is something to be taken. i think what we're witnessing now now from the speech and in this period during the grain war and how russia is actually developing as g, a political power because of the frame. but what he's saying is that our is not taking power is actually a taken handed over issue like, and these countries are all looking to put in to create a base to create a central system. so that perhaps all of these small over these organizations like

breaks of yes here which are growing all the time. but happily can all come on to some umbrella organization and the phone and have some central place somewhere. you know, people are actually suggesting in that conference that it may not even be most good . the russians consider creating a new capital just for the to be a sense of this. some organization, not strong rules, not to germany. you know something very, very informal, which will help china accelerating this economy and russia to support and all these other countries can be puddled up. some of these countries, you know, that i want to be part of this new world, a surprising us. some of them are actually old friends of the west, you know, saudi arabia, most to join bricks, you know, and something that you not see reported anywhere in western media. not even 3 lines . is that morocco stood up and defined us sanctions against russia and signed deals with most of just a week ago. so nuclear power, most of your bills here, you know, that's not being reported by western journalist because that goes flies in the face

of the narrative. that it is a victory to russia and juggler rapidly running out of time. but ukraine is the crucible in this kind of ideological western ideological, per se, as almost nothing to do with your grade. again, i don't want to give raskin so much air time, but i mean, you and i, and i, i ask our viewers to take a look at what, how rascan sees ukraine. i mean, this is pure lunacy. ok, but it is a purely an ideological construct. there are no real people there. it's, it's a crucible, it's an idea. and this is a sort where the west, i think it does that it's the hill. my guy on ok, go ahead. and raskin does say that victory in ukraine is absolutely essential. the future of humanity depends on the v, a in ukraine, and there's no question. i mean, the west us decided to throw in everything on the ukraine and defeating russia,

to the west of the said, hey, this is the greatest challenge that we now face of our head human, our rules based on that is being threatened by this new group of powers lead by russia, and we are going to fight to the bit around here. that's a, that's a high risk strategy because if you want to, you raise the stakes, then you is better when a man is really come to see you. hello then to god failed that right there. god, the me what's, what's, what so pathetic is the, the nature of the regime and kevin military wanted the $31.00 flavors of the not seats. ok, and this is what the progress i want to support here. ok. last 30 seconds. go ahead. yeah, i yeah, i'm done. you know, you mentioned your crime in these white supremacist groups, you know,

those are being supported. those are being endorsed by the european union and just the other day. i think it was a day yesterday. and, you know, the bombing now over the russian fleet, in, of lexi just quite worrying. and i think that's all sort of a signal to all of us that you care care regime was never very serious about the grant exports coming out of the black sea. and supposedly helping solving africans that was all fake news produced by the american a gender for escalation. they were all staring into the abyss, but there's only one party that is escalating it. and unfortunately they'll have to be a reaction. gentlemen, we have run out of time, want to thank my guest, american, and in budapest, thank you for watching the see. see you next time. remember that? ah ah,

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