ah ah ah ah ah, ah hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered i am peter about so does let him hear putin see his country placement world. at the recent meeting of the val di discussion group, he did is much and much more. he critique the west in its meal liberal ideology, and he made it clear. no one can sit out the coming storm facing be international system. ah

. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess martin j and mera cash. he's an award winning journalist, and commentator, and in budapest we have george samuel lee. he's a podcast at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and the locals. are gentlemen cross up rules in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i would appreciate your time to start out with you in budapest, here before we talk about what vladimir putin had to say at the annual di discussion group, i was just thinking as we started here, is it so much is commented on what who has never said, and very little is commented on what he actually says here. so that's my segue into his commentary. was very interesting commentary on the west and it's ideology, neoliberalism. and i think it was also kind of a sermon on how the west is portrayed the enlightenment. you're absolutely right. it's because the way the media presented bruton speech was entirely

incorrect and misleading because you like to live the way it was me to say, oh, put in 1st throw down the gauntlet to the west. well, he did not throw down any kind of a gauntlet because what he said is it, on the contrary, it is the wes today that is out of sorts with the rest of the world, the west in the grip of a neo liberal etiology. and he also made clear that this, the ology is here to largely by a kind of minority lead that runs the west. and that he's not actually in keeping with the values of the where. so i guess you say license. so i said that this west is a, is that goes against the traditional values of many societies around the world. and

that it's a very, a hostile, aggressive. he used to put a neo imperial. it's ara insistence on imposing its values and its culture on the rest. and that is for those who do not adhere to this, the neo liberal etiology, others subjected to sanctions on color revolutions whose and indeed bombs. and so he was saying low, you know, if the wife wants to go down this path is going to find yourself increasingly isolated from the rest of the world. so it's, it's very much saying russia is in the mainstream in the global mainstream. it is the west that is isolating itself. so it's the complete opposite from the way the western media presented his feet. and going back to throwing down the gauntlet . no read what he had to say. peaceful coexistence. that was the message also,

you know, it's when let let you know that's the way you want to do things for your society. that's fine, but the rest of the world, they have other ideas here. and it's for me, it's kind of like a new oriental is ok because they, the west wants to say that it is abandon parallelism in colonialism and all these bad things from white people and hear her. but actually it's, it's being repaired. it's go ahead. yeah, it's been repackage, it's been remodeled. i so toussant was remarkably sympathetic to the west. it was very had this in this affection for all here and that he would have likes, you know, the whole thing to go in a different direction in the last few years since ninety's when. so the unit, but it didn't happen. and i think what i got from speech was a sort of a romanticism, a certain reflection on the old days and how europe in the west could have been so much more close to russia that they could have been almost done. they almost

couldn't pity the, the old empire, they don't call the imperial a, it has this color, no history illness pitted them. and i almost made the point is that we didn't make a point that we are on the cusp, all the revolution and that word revolution, i think resonates it. you know, because when you think of revolution, you tend to think of bloodshed, you tend to think of colonial power in the invading and poor countries and setting up an administration and so forth. but that's not really what he's talking about. he's talking about a new world, which involves what it, we should really keep calling a global self because it's so much more. it's just the rest of the world. it's just not you is the rest of the, the west, you know, the west doesn't take up such a great space as people like to think there it does on the wealth, but the rest of the world is tired of this old model and feel cheated. you know, i mean, i spent a lot of my career in africa. i spent a lot of my time talking to the economists, the professors who work behind government ministers, elena,

constantly talk about this western model that america has. it comes in and offers financial assistant aid and trade user doesn't work and then you to generate so level countries to come so that they go to america on their hands and knees. and also i'm a sales at this point, you're completely in america's pocket. you can't do anything, you can't breathe, you can't operate. you are basically economy. and they're tired of this. they've seen this. they've seen that this is disingenuous. this is this towel draped. you know distasteful ideology as just ruined them. and they've been looking for a new world order for an awful long time. but i had to say watching the speech a pitch in the couple things struck where a saudi was a remarkably good shape for a man who, according to western judgment agencies, is bushings last days. or if you want to believe british newspapers just 4 or 5 weeks ago, he was speculated he might be dead. and all these people we keep seeing, you know, a lot of info and to some of them doubles, stunt doubles, you know?

i mean, just the 2nd thing that struck me, i kept asking myself, i wonder how many western leaders could do that 3 hours didn't, you know, and, you know, we skeptical journalists like me was, think of those kind of comes as a script anyway, less people know the questions before that happens all over the world. russia thing i saw that for living is in brussels. but you know, a lot of it seemed to me wasn't so scripted because he, his responses were pensive at times. actually even contradict himself a couple of times when you actually went through thought process. so i was very impressed with that, but, you know, could how many leaders could do, that's really it could bind and even do it for 3 minutes. i mean, somebody would have to help by doing away from the podium trails only have only john, better been made by good. ringback george, you know it, we have already a been think it's really important that no one can sit out that coming storm. and i

took from that is because the west of universe wise, it's so called values. that's the storm that we're all going to have to confront. and no one can say it out because of this. i mean, we have universal listing attitude where it's best the on it and it's dangerous. yes. no question. and i think it's very instructive, really, to book and the speech and with the statement of jamie raskin, an important congressman in the united states who essentially a holy war against russia, a century he's now we'll have presented russia as the great satan. and that there is really no peace is

possible the great state and no peaceful coexistence. this has to be a walk to the finish, and raskin is not an insignificant person in the united states. he's a very important congressman. ladybug enroll in a january. the 6th committee, and he speaks for a very substantial democrats. and the point is that this is now increasingly out the united states is a conflict with russia and there isn't really any voice in the u. s. countering that. and so, therefore, it's really west that is now declared russia to be the enemy. why is russia the enemy and other good russia equal to the united states? but the russia is the leader all a global coalition that seeks to resist this western imperialism the western

etiology. lead weston, so values a russia, a word actually resistance. you hit the nail on the head. i think that's what emerged from this conference. it wasn't, it was harold in a new coalition of recall. some countries that were going to fight the west is just resistance. it's just in too many countries, a looking for some sort of leadership in the world, which opposes this usage. it had germany which we put up for so long. and some of these countries are really pay enormously the price to being part of. so i think the word is resistance. i think, yeah, but to both of you, i think we can add on resistance to resistance as the resistance is because an alternative is being presented alternative, but it's not aggressively, it's not aggressive. you know, it's on my way or the highway. i mean that's with the how the west is universalize it. but what we're, what we're all talking about is that there is an alternative. and it can,

we want to peacefully, co exist with you as you go through your fever, georgia. yeah, that's right. so that's what it's trying to do because what the west is seeking is to impose its factors that can be no resistance to this. they can be no, i'm saying, well, we don't really go along with it. no, there is only one way to progress for all societies. and that's essentially what raskin was saying. he just spelled it all out. and we, we heard this in the 20th century, from someone who really had really happened because raskin, you know, essentially sounded like we believe bolsheviks. and therefore, the, you know, that this is this, we are the center of the global revolution. and he said no, the resistance and the resistance to gay rights resistance, every motion on so it's all center in moscow that will,

that we have to slave. and especially most of the rest of the world in the say, these are values. but the united states is not accepting of that. i mean, you know, we, we have u. s embassy that regularly during gay pride models. you know, flies, the, the game flag the, you know, we have u. s embassy is that toys murals of georgia, troy, a career criminal, and a lifelong young kid. so this is, you know, this is, this is an accidental issue. these are the values the united states seeks to explore. a very extreme ideology and it's totally alien to most people's of the world. yeah. and i am at the same time we have a lead in the west that are completely oblivious because they cannot see that there could be an alternative to bear a cult. it's very messy on our gentlemen,

i'm going to company here. we're going to go to what you're breaking up with that jump right in your discussion. so ah, ah, a credit for collaboration graphic. what is the best i knew about them? this is a little bit of it said to listen to sort of the complexity of community with what i see school for car wouldn't support backwards. thank say me, i standing in my scheme importantly. got daughter destiny. i certainly don't love it. really. a conditional krinski participate, which it is said to jeff that i'm using in your to with can be coma. listen, go and be a couple of somebody. and the community that the grandma a left for the knob is all supposed to be sent out. the keys will affect it, dor,

fully out of the july, the meeting with us. that's a disclaimer. but that was the booted the spook. moving to closing to full facility at them during the summer because of my seat. not exactly. the reason i would show critical much, but he did them, we cannot credit, will it was, it was the case, but also then you billed us with the dish risk if you can help us to pick up that were still 80 passed after a noble below vanessa. gets enough of it and 2020 to the italian government approved a package of military aid to ukraine. coordination with nato to help ukrainians defend themselves and fight back about 150000000 euros. well, i make a weep,

almost. even tommy bombs are here in all the same nato and the u. f with you on the won't that people will die just for make morning. the one that he might have been. yes, carol, why you're not who got soon? every few gone through my she thought complete. i mean there's water damage with on to get i will put them in. those will talk more saw me my show it puzzled tool or able opa. zach leila lesser opinion poll show that over 70 percent of italians are against military support for ukraine. came up, i landed in confront with the day, don't frappe laughed or if i don't a levels yet levi and more on a skid out and go home and do not. she named de la dilly das it wonderful. i was just the my last little boy a low today because he has been

a fool. he's and we're not returning fun. theda the layout. ah. welcome out to cross that were all things are considered. i'm peter. well this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real moves. ah ok, let's go back to martin america. in light of what we said in the 1st part of the program, we can bring in ukraine right now. for now, it's been while we talked about it as it was happening, there was a very early on in the conflict in ukraine, the trainings and the russian sat down on this. them bull with ben morris, johnson showed up western pressure don't make a deal. if you make a deal. we're not going to back you on this is that for us it is common knowledge and for our viewers, but that's kind of slowly seeping out over the last couple of weeks. and then why

is a negotiation impossible because of the ideology of these elite, you cannot compromise this ideology. does not allow compromise negotiations. it only wants absolute victory. it wants to vanquish, it does not a it doesn't except an interlocutory. that is different. it has a different point of view, has different interests mark i'm putting made that point in the speech. if i remember correctly, he said we've been trying to talk to the europeans to the west for so long. well, and his reply was, they simply reply with no. and i think that really sums it up and i'm not sure, you know, we have this incredible bigotry from the west. you know, you, you mentioned that the, they just don't seem to be able to look at any other options. it reminds me very much of being in a press conference in brussels in december 1999 when the euro was rolled out. and there was a massive fiberglass model of the euro coin. and i,

european commissioner, jubilant at this a. and i, and i had mentioned not in the conference but later term. is there any contingency plan and channel is laughter? they actually laughed at what a ridiculous question, and we're seeing the same thing here. now with ukraine, there are no options. there are no a, b, c. there's only one way for the west. they don't themselves into the hall. it's the way i describe it to people is a rich man who buyers are very expensive for painting the more expensive the painting, the less inclined to the rich man is to accept that it's like, i think we've bought into this ideology that we can win in ukraine, but ukraine is not really the place where you need to when you finish the territory . it's just one country. what we saw with the speech just today, the other day with, with it was, it was talking about the world and how, i think even he was surprised. but perhaps, even though the russians can lose ground in ukraine, they are gang gaining ground clay considerably around the world with dozens. if not,

schools of these countries who are looking to him whenever sending representative to the conference and talking about you know, this new world order and i thought it was really interesting how to put in seems to be absolutely hell bent on keeping this new association. this new coalition of what i want to call it informal as possible. and i think this is the key. i think this is the key to success because the moment you formalize it, the moment you create expensive shiny offices in moscow or the model is wonderful. that you model for more because he thinks that's the way of actually bringing more countries into the fault. you know everything a hierarchical and i think that's what i'm agreeing would be when you start formula . and then, and then it's obvious that the neo liberal elites would say, feed, there is our new enemy. because if you georgia, if you look at people that are sympathetic to what we're talking about here,

you know, africa, asia, south america, i mean none of us renovated, would foolishly say they are all the same. they are not, there were very many different variations here. and it's working on their commonalities having enough of western gemini as martin they said in the 1st part of the program, if you, warmer lives, then it looks like that. then it turns into a hierarchy and it's a pecking order. and it's a replication. what's a west it's already done and then you know, somehow it becomes an ideology. it so that said that medical to what we've been, we've been hearing in the global south. i agree with martin, we got a bunch of different terms. the rest of the world go ahead in the rest of the world and the various institutions. russia has been building up since the minds of the soviet union for the organization. all essentially suggest to the

rest of the world. then there are alternative forms of development. so the western powers who have the seeking, you know, hey, come on over to russia, the enemy, russia is violating the rules based on the, you know, you're going to be with us. that isn't working for the rest of the world. you know, for one thing, they don't see russia as the enemy. russia was, it was not the imperial power. they have experience of imperial powers, and the people who have ruled over them, russia ever ruled over them. and they, you know, they will look back on a long tradition during the call will be having good relations with the soviet union. they didn't have any time for communism. but they did find that the soviet union was not on sympathetic to their problems and their flight and offered them assistance. and that is show russia enormously post cold war era. and so when

barry's johnston goes to india and demands that you have to be with us, i just remind them of their old in burial now, you know, there's a reminiscent of the raj, you know, those are what we have the, you know, the british government telling us what to do, and i think that's been very, very important part of russia, diplomacy and extraordinary dividends. how actually the west continues to blossom at the united nations? essentially, it's the same gang always together and the rest of us just isn't buying into it. in a martin it, it goes back to it is a hotly debated in the seventy's and the 1980s about passed to modernization. and of course there was one school of thought the going to be have true modernization it through westernization. and that's being put to the test right now, because my demanding that it must be through a westernized,

you pull in this neil liberal ideology. ok, it's, it's much more multifaceted than that. and of course, you know, jamie raskin that's already been mentioned here. he can't conceive of that. there's only one half of development. he is truly the 21st century. is greatest bolshevik. go ahead, mark. yeah, i mean it's, it's still a punter as well, isn't it? no matter how you look at it. if you look, look at the use, talk diplomat joseph rather good himself the whole or to just roughly by talking about the you as a golden person with the well as a jungle. you know, i mean, what the hell is this guy talking about it like this kind of elitist mentality from, from the you that, you know, shouldn't have been marked as follow the follow up blog jog. even deeper. did you notice go, it's just embarrassing, you know, and it just, it, when is a, is a, is our timeline. is that a milestone of the end of the west? you know, this declined urchins talking about that. all these countries are witnesses now,

you know, is that some idiotic spanish socialist says something so raised his anachronistic and suddenly just like that, then you wonder why, you know that in one of these countries just look at you say we're, we're tired of you coming here you said, you're not sure what you talk about as human rights. you know, china comes in and build schools and roads and hospitals and interests. so there is this new world world. i thought i thought it was really interesting. the most interesting question there was put to putin. i watch the whole thing was i think a chinese journalist or chinese delegate go mr. wong, who said one about this new world of, or if russia is to take the lead and everyone assumes russia will tell the rules b, i'm putting really hating this question. really have the wood walls, what rules he sort of said, well, you know, i don't think we should talk too much about rules. but if that, there are rules already exist and he excited the un charter, which is quite funny, really, you know, but then you and charter is a parody. i mean, it's a fossil set up the, you know, the west of broken time and time again, would it,

you know, what more american troops doing in syria right now? you know, international law isn't good as the people who sign sign up to it, you know, and i, but he who tim talked about blogs and he doesn't like trade books actually really rocks in the sense developing in asia. because he thought that that would be a threat to china and china should be allowed to flex his muscles and develop as much as it can. so, you know, you've got this, these ideas emerging. i think i'm, i don't, but i don't swallow them by this line. from the goal for the film, the power is something to be taken. i think what we're witnessing now from the speech and in this period during the grain war and how russia is actually developing as geopolitical power because of the frame. but what he's saying is that our is not taken power is actually a taken handed over issue like, and these countries are all looking to put in to create a base to create a central system. so that perhaps all of these small over these organizations like

breaks of yes, yeah. which are growing all the time. perhaps we can all come on to some umbrella organization and be phone and have some central place somewhere. you know, people are actually suggesting in that conference that it may not even be most good . the russians consider creating a new capital just for the to be a sense of this. some organization, not strong rules, not to germany. you know something very, very informal, which will help china accelerates in this economy and russia to support and all these other countries can be puddled up. some of these countries, you know, that i want to be part of this new world, a surprising us. some of them are actually old friends of the west, you know, saudi arabia, most to join bricks, you know, and something that you not see reported anywhere in western media. not even 3 lines . is that morocco stood up and defined us sanctions against russia and assigned deals with most of just a week ago. so nuclear power wants to be built here. you know, that's not being reported by western journalist because that goes that flies in the

face of the narrative, that it is a victory to russia in georgia rapidly running out of time. but ukraine is the crucible in this kind of ideological western ideological, per se, has almost nothing to do with your grade. again, i don't want to give raskin so much air time, but i mean, you and i, and i, i ask our viewers to take a look at what, how raskin sees ukraine. i mean, this is pure lunacy. ok, but it is a purely an ideological construct. there are no real people there. it's, it's a crucible, it's an idea. and this is a sort where the west, i think it does that. it's the hill that my guy, i'm ok go ahead. and raskin does say that victory in ukraine is absolutely essential. the future of humanity depends on the v, a in ukraine, and there's no question, i mean, the decided to throw in everything on your grade and defeating russia,

to the west of a said, hey, this is the greatest challenge that we now face of our hedge in our rules based on that is being threatened by this new group of powers lead by russia, and we are going to fight to the bit around here. that's a, that's a high risk strategy. because if you want to, you raise the stakes, then you is better when a man is really curtains for years. hello, then to god failed them, right there. god, the me what's, what's, what so pathetic is the nature of the regime in camber military wanted the 31 flavors of batches, not seats. ok, and this is wet grass and the progress i want to support here. okay. last 30 seconds. go ahead. yeah, i yeah. i'm done, you know, you mentioned your crime in these white supremacist groups, you know,

those are being supported. those are being endorsed by the european union and just the other day, i think it was a day yesterday and, you know, the bombing now over the russian fleet in the black sea just quite worried. and i think that's all sort of a signal to all of us that you can give. regime was never very serious about the grant exports coming out of the black sea and supposedly helping solving africans. that was all fake news produced by the american. a news for escalation, they were all staring into the abyss, but there's only one party that is escalating it. and unfortunately they'll have to be a reaction. gentlemen, we have run out of time on the bank, my guess, the american and in budapest and i thank you for watching us here. see you next time, remember? ah, a

ah. well, north atlantic alliance, reconnaissance aircraft, and wolf ships cruising close to russia's borders have become commonplace along with military hardware redeployment. on the large scale exercises. nato has also developed its offensive capability near the russian borders every year.