[000:00:00;00] ah, the news. hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things considered. i'm peter labelle. without me daisy for america's mid term elections. everything seems to be breaking in the direction of the republicans. this would seem to confirm this will truly be a change election and a solid defeat for joe biden. and the democrats, the country is deeply divided while these elections make things worse,

the. the cross sucking the upcoming mid terms. i'm joined by my guess. jennifer reed in milwaukee. she's an attorney in cleveland. we have dennis goosenich. he is a former presidential candidate and former congressman and in las vegas, we cross the craig policy jar duleigh. he is an election integrity expert and co host of a wakeup. and the convo couch or a cross talk roles in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate dennis. let me go to you and cleveland. you're an old hand. this is not your 1st rodeo, obviously here. how do you see this? i mean, you can look at this as a realignment or just a reaction election, or a lot of other people like to call a change election. how do you read the tea leaves? i think, you know, if i were to be asked to give some numbers, i think the republicans will probably end up with 229 seats in the house. so the

democrats jordan 6, i think the senate will also go to the republicans, could be as much as $50.00 to $48.00. there is a, there's been a move towards republicans in their selection, principally because of inflation. their cost of basic foods, goods, and good to going up and people are finding it hard to reconcile with the party in power and a 1st crime into a citizen. other factor show, i think, you know, you're going to see in this selection from the, from the federal level to the state, even the county level, a move towards recovery. it's pretty, it's the state and i don't see anything. it's gonna change that next. you guys, you know, and jennifer again, is this a rejection of the party in power? or is it the appeal of republican ideas? because, you know, if you watch cable tv, you can find whatever you want to confirm what you believe, okay? but how do you see it? is this a confirmation rejection?

a new course, because as we're all told it's there's a lot at stake. why would they always say that? go ahead. jennifer. exactly. and i actually think it's both. i think it's both a rejection of the current administration, the current regina current policies. it's a rejection and a new wave of voters. i mean, they're even seen in these trends. a lot of people that might have voted democrat before are now wanting to vote. republican numbers, and that's why some of the numbers are looking higher than they thought. i think it's those because the majority of the voters know that there's something going on . and he started to see this kind of hockey list as you will. the populace kind of rising up more freedoms more, more liberties, better gas prices, better food prices. all of those were happening under donald trump, who we were told was evil. and so you're seeing this rejection of the mainstream narratives and the narrative that are coming out of our white house and people are seeing that even those that were not involved in the foreign politics will go to

the polls because of their wallets. ok, craig, who is donald trump on the ballot, or is a joe biden, are both on the bow and how do you look at it? go ahead. well, i think donald trump is definitely on the ballad. i think the majority of the conservatives in america are still move towards the americo 1st party, which is the donald trump a party. they still look up to some of the things he was speaking out, freedom of speech, freedom of the press. and i think a lot of those voters, just like donald trump, was kind of come to this consensus that we need to end the war and ukraine. i think a lot of their voters are moving their way to as well. joe biden. i don't know who really he appeals to at all by storm shock that he got 81000000 votes. don't abide in bumper sticker or a t shirt out there and stuff. but i think the correlation that, that the democrats hoping, and that's why they have obama back out there, is that they'll kind of relate that by didn't obama magic that that was once captured. and hope really didn't produce anything except a victory. and i think that's what the democrats are hoping for again. yeah. well,

you can transfer career. okay. i mean, i didn't like obama. i didn't like his policies, but he was chris matic. i mean you have to give credit where credit is due here. dennis, can you explain so, i mean, you've been around a lot in politics. i've never seen a sitting president so vicious towards half the electorate. i mean, i find it really remarkable. you have that kind of like mussolini speech a few months ago. and then in washington, i think in the last new cycle, it's very vicious against against the electra. i mean, if you don't punch down and you don't insult the electra, but that's exactly what he's doing. why? well, let me say peter, that i have no job by 50 years and need a decent pan. but his handlers are, are hard nose partisans and i think they're encouraging him to take attack. that is

unwise. and that will credit considerable amount of low back i, i believe it's in the interest of the people to have have our president reach out and always try to reconcile the opposite to the country. and you know, that's not happening. the polarization is increasing. so i, you know, i don't think that prisoner biden's on natural approach, but he sure is taking it. and i would say that in a way there are some symmetry between what, what's happening domestically in the hard line. it's been taken as with the foreign policy of the united states as well. okay. well, you know jennifer in donald trump was very dismissive. i mean, you know and denies that. ok, almost everyone has an opinion on the former president, but there was no slogan like, let's go brendan, i mean they didn't have that for trump,

but they do have that for bite. and what does that tell you? i mean that the population has rejected this sort of rhetoric. i mean, it's easy to say that donald trump was, was device in some sense, but that's only because the media told us to believe that yes, i mean, he was upset, but the republican party has historically been the party that rolls over back and let the tax happen, we're not only censorship losing their jobs, losing friends, being called actual terrorists on, you know, being demonized, being weaponized for political reasons, losing, again, losing gainful employment. and so i think these kinds of things are what are, what essentially divide. i mean, if, if it's true in any way that donald trump started some sort of chasm within this, joe biden has exploded that and made it worse. and i do agree that i don't think joe biden is running this dog and pony show. nobody thinks that because of the people that he's answering to, i mean, every day americans, you know, i live here and then that west,

people know that there's something that's not right here. there's something that doesn't add up. there's a section, there's a lot of the democratic party as not come out is a party of, of, you know, social justice. they come out of a party that things on your door and violently throws it in your face until that happens. and that's what the voters are going with. i think that's the ultimate rejection of what's been going on. why the american people are going to flock so heavily to these polls? yeah, craig, one of the things you know, watching, you know, i have to watch. i miss and be see and seen and because it's part of my job i it's hardship pay, but i still do it. um, january 6th. and abortion is that this is a really good turn. the trick here? no, it's not. and, and i'm with you peter being that we deconstruct the media on a regular basis. it's hard sometimes to watch this media. and there are just a completely controlled entity right now, pure propaganda. we have team sports across the board from this to party,

allusion. the funny thing is that with the mainstream media, both emerson, cnn fox, is that they're trying their hardest to avoid 3rd parties. and we see some 3rd parties actually getting on the stage. so i still think their media is consistent with their propaganda and their message, and that's to stay into the, to party to awfully. but hopefully we can get some breakthroughs with this independent independent media out there. pushing for these 3rd parties, including the libertarian party that's getting on the stage here, and there are, it will talk about that. then you speak, i mean this to operate that and i agree with craig, i mean, i do on a den. if i, with the republican party at all 0, i'm a conservative. ok, that's how i and, and i do balls and strikes if i like a policy, if i don't like a policy. ok. and so, and i think more and more people are politically homeless. but when you look at the media, my god, it is really, it is so aggressive it's, it's either your with this or against this and i think that's very unhealthy. go ahead dennis. well, the,

the larger problem is polarized thinking that takes place and in any culture, what happens in a country like america, where there's generally a free exchange of ideas or we hope there will be the polarity, causes people to start to differentiate, to discriminate as far as what their position as gerson is what they're hearing on television. you know, where i think we're in a confused time and time of chaos. and one of their is even order within chaos. that k i said happening right now is driving people into, into this polarity. and i think it's, it's very dangerous. it doesn't serve our country. and because i have found and running for president twice, there is an underlying unity in america just to reach for. and if you don't reach for and you just say you're going to win by writing and conquering,

i don't know. i don't know. i don't appreciate it. no participate in that approach . yeah, you know, jennifer, i mean going back to biden's rhetoric and conservatives of basically terrorists putting them on the level of i'll kind a that will only make conservative people go out and vote more because you're insulting them. ok, you're, you're really insulting them and you're telling you you're a victim of wrong. you're wrong. think okay, i can. and joe biden, the energizes the conservative base jennifer, he does, you know, and i appreciate what's been said here because i think there is an underlying air of unity for many people in america. i, i know that and again, i'm not, you know, i haven't been a pull stir for ever or any time. i so i don't follow these trends historically, but one thing that i am seen right now is that, yes, we know that right now it's a republican versus democrat election coming up. but i think the reason that the republican numbers are winning is not because people want to join and get involved . the g o p,

you're the republicans or whatever. and that we've seen that there's some people switching parties because that, but it's because we need change in office and we need that unity and we're desperately craving for it. this election is becoming about ideals. it's not just conservatives that are angry about the rhetoric angry about being called terrorist . i mean, you can say all day long, but donald trump was maybe divisive in some ways, but he never jailed the media. he never let a raid on the media or on his political opponents. he was never in office when any of this happened. he certainly never called most of the democratic party, or most a democratic voters, a, a terrorist organization or domestic terrorist. he never likened them to this. in fact, the under donald trump, it was the morning law ivanhoe and all that. but we got to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on the upcoming american midterm election. stayed with

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candidates people we've never come across before doing very well in the polls against ha incumbents that have been around for forever. okay. can't get carry lake . i was one that comes to mind, i mean what a fire brand and wow, okay. um, there's a new new breed of a republican candidates here. and mitch mcconnell is, does not like these people here. so as they're chilling the bottles at fox, the civil war in the demo, republican party is only just begun. go ahead, greg. yeah, the, they don't visa establishment. republicans don't like these grassroots people at all. yeah. kevin mccarthy, and the way he's treated some of those grassroots people like laura luma and all those other america, 1st candidates just wisc aside. but you know, i think that the underlying an issue here is the fact that a lot of people still remember why they became a democrat in the 1st place. and this is just another c saw pendulum swing, and they don't want to get fooled again. they remember the help america vote act

and the patriot act and the iraq war all and a republican president. so i mean, at the end of the day, i still think keep going to be seeking some other options. i do agree with my other guest here. this is some scary times. it doesn't seem like anybody wants to unite no alone, joe biden. with that mood selena speech, we talked about it seems to be more divisible, but i guess that's the game that's going out there right now. so 2 thirds of the voters in america has 02 little confidence in these elections. i think it's going to produce a little bit different results than just simply republican and democratic democrat this election time. yeah. dennis, what makes it really scary time is that you have this lessening faith in the democratic process in the electoral process. i mean with the, the left wing always talking about election denial and all of this. i mean, the biggest mistake coming out of 2020 is to where it was to just shove aside the concerns that some people had, you know, was there fraud? well,

there was never really investigated. ok. maybe everything was hunky dory. maybe it wasn't. but i mean, just brushing that aside is really insulting to a lot of people that did maybe had legitimate concerns. i'm not going to say they were legitimate or illegitimate. but just brushing aside worries a lot of people about being a particularly there's so much mailing going going on. what are your thoughts on that? because you've been through a lot of campaigns go ahead dennis. i have been through more camp page and most people would believe, but i'll tell you this. it is, it is not unusual to see the kind of games that are played at american elections at all levels. and, and voters have a right to be concerned that their votes are counted, that they count that, that there's no interference in election process. but it is a fact of life here in america that such parents does happen. whether it's the benefit of the number grants or the, or the republicans and in the election,

integrity ought to be an issue. now, you know, the paradox in america is when you don't like someone, and they happen to get elected. how do you close ranks behind whoever the president is? and it's just something al gore showed the nation the direction in 2000 when he lost the supreme court and, and george w bush became president or could have raised you know, unholy, know, created a situation where there would have been a huge table was ation in the government, but he chose to take a different path and that path of trying to see for cohesion. and unity is a very important thing in america. so whether democratic elected or republican is like, are in the future, some other party. we have to realize that while we take a stand for election integrity and we have to do that well, the election process and when the votes are being counted when, when somebody declares, and when, or whether we like or not, we have to find

a way to to move forward as a nation. we're having trouble with that right now. yeah. and jennifer, well another thing that we're having trouble with, and i look at both sides of the equation of that. it's very dangerous and your politics gets down to a purity test. ok. and i think that's very dangerous because it doesn't allow nuances and slight differences of opinion. and it cuts down on a big tend to ok. this purity test that i see so much in the media really terrifies me because no one is pure. ok, jennifer, go ahead. well, exactly, and that's the worst part. i mean, the complete infringement i'm on freedom of speech, but of conscience of thought of diversion of opinions. i mean that's what i think the people are seeing. the truth is the midterm elections really are a, there are cause there are call to unleash, to unleash the voters against the establishment. and that's in both parties. yes, yes. and the majority of anti establishment and anti establishment in america.

first candidates are running as republicans. that's the way our system works right now, especially throughout the different states. so the vast majority of these anti establishment american pers candidates are republican running as republic, and that's why there's going to be a republican wave. but this is a, this is a show of that the fact that the american people are done with the establishment when it comes to election integrity, there are many people i know that are, are concerned about that. voters are concerned even voters that were americans that were afraid to come out with this. i would their opinions about the 2020 election are now seen that way. this doesn't make sense. we're looking at numbers. how could this happen? joe biden got, but over 10000000 more votes than brock obama, his crime and his peak. i mean, that doesn't make much sense as, as to what's going on. and i think it's unfair to compare the al gore, gore and bush situation to what happened in 2020, because in bush v gore. i mean we're talking about the constitutional

interpretation of one state law. wherein the work where and you know, certification was still be in question and the supreme court of the united states ruled on that. so went through the legal process. here you had people watching a very, very normal flow of an election in their states in several states. and then at 3 am suddenly 845150000 ballots are dropped to 99 percent of which are for joe biden. people had questions. i think those questions are legitimate and should be asked, especially since for 4 years have america get shouting and screaming that hillary clinton was the right, the president. and so i think it's unfair this, this 2 tiered system of justice, this 2 tiered system of who was allowed to say what and what you're allowed to say, that's not america. that's not who we are. and that's why these elections are for it, craig, you know, again, you know, it, we've all been looking at the poles and i'll even go further. i mean, considering the dismal polling that we've had over the last few years,

every time i see a pole, i give the republican 3 more points. ok, i think it's fair to do, considering how bad they've been over the years here. but let's say that they get the victory, the it's possible that the polls are saying, is a country going to be any less divided? that answer is, ah, no, i'm saying i like it. i just want to push back on the fact that the democrats have anything anti establishment in their party. first of all, the grass roots of the democrats have now joined hands walk, walking locks that with the establishment. democrats. in fact, the, our revolution organization that was started to fund and promote grass roots, candidates to fight against establishment as now, endorsing all establishment. but at the end of the day to as well when it does come to this election cycle. if we do get these republicans in here, a lot of the graduates republicans were already wished away in their primaries and they thought that process was unfair. and with, with a system that is even worse than it was in 2020. in other words,

a lot of the laws they implemented for these elections that were already a wonky system, like dropboxes and mail it mass mailings. they're implemented. so at the end of the day, i think we're going to see a country even more divided whether or not more republicans get in or not so well then he say, i addressed that because, you know, you know, i'm sure this could be a change election, but what will change? i mean, i'm very cynical because, you know, the republicans can win elections, but it always is the left that determines the agenda. it that, that, that's the pattern that i see here. even when donald trump was president, even when they had the majorities in both houses, it was still a very much a democratically driven agenda. then he said, what, what does it mean for victory, for the republicans here? what is the agenda? because we see what people are rejecting, but what are they embracing? go ahead dennis. yeah, you know where i, where i started, this discussion was practical aspirations,

american people today relate to economic and security, their own families versus here. and when you see the cost of grad going through the rough meat and, and other staples of the american diet, people are very concerned about that. and they're going to respond. it says balance crime. and her cities as substantially and really violent americans will respond to that is what i just want to say that i, i don't think that the american people are especially ideological and will people within both parties. what id allergies might do election when you, when you govern you much govern pragmatically and anytime you see governance be propelled by ideology without connecting to people's practical aspirations, you're going to see a disaster. i think, i think that's probably the best explanation i have heard in

a very long time because because not everyone is ideological. people in the media certainly are very ideological and they want everyone else to think like they do. all right. you know, i have done 40 programs over the last 9 months on ukraine is, is 1st my 1st break. ok. so jennifer is ukraine on the ballot this year? i think it's one of many things on the balance to be clear. there's a distinction between the d, n. c, political pundits and american citizens who are voted democrat. those are the ones that are going into a stablish, but i think many will be voting republican this year. of course you created one of the many issues on the ballot, but it is because yes it was, it was big for a while here and i'm talking about again, i'm speaking from the midwest. i know one of my other colleagues here is also in the midwest, but especially in wisconsin and some, some other places. i know i have friends all over the country where all this was a big issue. now we're kind of, we're kind of over it and i've seen it as much and then we started to get angry because every other day,

we're seeing one more $1000000000.00 here. 1000000000 dollars, 100000000000 dollars, 50000000000 dollars. i get it man. let me ask my other name, let me ask, where gets what he, what do you think that he says it on the bow it real quickly? i don't want to go to craig. i'm not per se, except that people are becoming increasingly concerned about where our country is taking us in terms of, of nuclear policies. and that's something i personally concerned about. i think america, any other nation, jeff, just swear off for strike policy. and it's particularly a concern of mine in my let me, let me ask frank here is it on the ballot? no, it's foreign policy in both parties. and most americans unfortunately have foreign policy down the rabbit hole when it's not an issue that's right in your face. all right, no we, i, i have a proposition before we end the program. let's reconvene in a weeks time and we could do a post mortem, give it a thought mike, producer will contact you as all the time we have. i want to thank my get to milwaukee cleveland and in las vegas,

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