in a way, we at least that and at that time, people like myself and i did it many times to the former cetera. said that sooner or later there will be war. and it will be about you great. because there are many other cultural historic elements, but the main reason was so push a security with the station or has been become becoming intolerable for us. now, can i ask you specifically about the language? because in just the other day, we had a few cranes at security council, alexi denila for percent of the russia sounding family, suggested getting rid of their russian language completely. and what he did that in a very derogatory term, is to compare trash and speakers to frogs. what i want to ask is not the moral assessment, but rather than the sort of analytical assessment of what sort of consequences this math, psychological experiment of trying to raise the mother tongue from

a substantial part of the population with. well, most, most probably, there will be no, you crate in the end, or very few plane in then you to the pulses of their present cranium government, or as 2 attempts to raise russia from russia. oh, puts lucian. oh, it was very clear from the beginning that the korean kiva lee elite was afraid of rationally as a more competitive. and this was the were and heard from english as a more competitive. and so they were making their policies are building their feet on the anti russian platform. there was only one of the reasons of this conflict and the lu, weakness of, of that elite. but it was sir harris. but focusing on the language as this, sir,

sort of a battle ground or it even back in 2014. i think many of the van serve in there, it was a capital, is there, this language bill was one of the capital is for russia's actions are i'm a big fan of ludwig vacant tine. it says famous selling, mystic scholar, and there many, many a studies that confirmed his famous statement that the limits of my language and the limits of my world. that language indeed defines how you see the world in this sense. doesn't it make an a military and strategic meaning to try to erase somebody else's language or in a, in a way that is happening at the local elite or some of the leads or change of the course of the countries are also oh, using of the language question the same as a push to the left rear estonia in that that has been a bit. oh,

the 20 that had been her happening. go throw the history. math for sir language is one of their defining features of the nation. if mother finding her so when you will want to build in your nation, you have to build that around. learn language is the language belongs to maturity. i always share my lives elsewhere. it becomes a problem. i wonder if you see any and linkages between this efforts to are suppressed the russian culture and that the, the fear of the russian influence, if you take that one can influence other nations through their language through their culture. then, indeed, the russian culture becomes the very potent our weapon were. of course, i mean a strong culture is a fulton to weapon, but i would blew up a nice culture where it is a,

one of the strongest of instruments of influence for there is no question about that. so the, so i fully understand, i mean those people though i do not share the policies who want to get rid of richard culture. now, in one of your articles, he suggested that due to the composition at camellia ethnic composition of ukraine's population, it state what can only be shaped and midwife through a very deliberate ante, russian stance. now i understand how it could be one of the political technologies, but why do you think it's the only way available for, you know, because not only because of the language, because you create has a very weak historic nation to they don't want to denigrate the crater there hasn't been great for her 9th century so age and they have the, it has been a land which has been run over by different tribes countries. so

the roots of ukrainian feet are relatively weeks until they have to to have to dig these rules out to ship. but any our choice app has its costs and consequences. people who try to think about the ukranian political future. surely they would have understood that there in our country, like russia would not be able to take that indefinitely. or they think they didn't do that. he was in that, in things are in that way and that away. at the beginning, russia was too weak. russia was trying to integrate into the west, so it was not a problem for much political consciousness. the people like myself and very,

very few outside of my kind of country, even verity in my country weren't understood that. but to we were ministry. i remember that in their ninety's and i was heading, organizing them all russian. you bring in meetings and commissions because nobody was interested. it wasn't because the russians too, were taking your credit for granted that it was, they were taking a credit for granted. and also one or show company at no cost more than g d p. o v. great, they were, we were who made our mistakes. we often accused her and you are yourself often accused the west of an arrogance and ignorance. do you think russia is say guilty of the same thing? absolutely. we were ignorant to that. we didn't want to um, to know what was happening area where we didn't care. and although we pay will be

the price, it does not know originally korean, the behavior of ukrainian rates, which are also shipped simply into nathan and natural. from my point of view, they are the 1st they were building white or territory and now they, they planted pledged into woochie is absolutely almost inevitable now, but we will, we're also guilty now sooner later, this military operation in the ukraine will and, and i don't think at this point, at least, there is any intention in the colon to integrate western ukraine into russia's proper and will that territory have any other options for sort of sustaining itself politically other than extreme with the phobia? and if not, how do you think this class? and i believe i did degeneracy to say, hey, it looks at the juncture. i mean,

all options are open. i think that there could be several, the crates. what do you mean by several, your cranes. this is, this is a widely debate debated the puts of, of you for the long to hungry owes to hungary, bus to poland, romanian, want that piece to. but again, the question is, what, what will come out of this state as it is because it for the state collapses, which as opposed to the possibility, then i mean, the territory will be totally taken by a smart do i understand you correctly than in strategic terms? russia would be more or less. okay, with parts of your brain going, let's say you are poland, which is just as it was, the phobic a some of the ukrainian leads. but the thing like that kind of

a point to view the father a border with from the heart of russia, the better if i may press that for one more question, do you think? what do you think is the best case scenario for ukraine at this point of time? because, you know, we all have relatives there and we all have emotional connections to that country. if you could have your wish, what do you think is the best case scenario at this point of time? could be too late and sign it with a twitter friendship or with russia open borders, et cetera. so, but that's impossible. and nothing short of that will preserve the ukrainian sovereignty emptying the yes. if i were god. okay, what the realistic scenario there is a scenario. several several territories and a very long war which is probably the ok. and then you know,

dangers and of escalating horizontally and vertically. all the more that although we're talking about a craig mostly and oh yeah. we are like the proverbial a on good blue eyes and looking for keys under the plant where he could have lost it. a crane is a plot fail creek, warren traded a part of a huge, massive or a distribution of world power. or of course of multiple layers to trace is everywhere. i mean, we have at the simone fantasy a crisis with food crisis, energy crisis, crisis of middle class and ways of migration. i mean the act i could go on a different and it is clear that we are living through a period of desperate,

desperate and deep change or to come out in 20 or 30 years. i don't know, but we should think in these terms, of course, hopefully that will be something up to 20 or 30 years, and that is they, we're avoid a catastrophic them when you grow. well, who, you know, they'll have such a long horizon in certain ways. you're an optimist before and what happens. let's take a very short break, but we will come to this fascinating discussion in a short while. thank you. ah ah, ah

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phone with us. the plug superficiality of the one you put on the list of over a year with ah, ah, who to wells far as they said gate kind of got us academic supervisor at the school or for the canal mix and international relations at the higher school of economics in moscow, mrc, are going to before they break you, i suggested that this conflict is much further than russia. ukraine. it's a, it's a full blown confrontation between russia and the west. and i've seen you right

before that because it's such a global conflict, much as actions should also be targeted at the west so that it loses the appetite for picking on russia further. what exactly do you have in mind? what actions could moscow take tier a limit? the appetites of western relates. first, a re emphasize it's not between. it's weighted and russian in the west. as of right now, not only the western europe and everything is changing, the west is shrinking. i mean, the rest, which i would prefer to go to cold, not a, not, not a west, but global majority of movies are growing in its power. but we have everything that is changing. and one of the elements of this picture is that they're desperate. the attack now of the west or counter attack to stop and the duration of the,

of their positions. they decided to concentrate on russia in their real amy's, of course, saving their 500 years of their domination. and a mid intermediate aim is that undermine china. now about to have to my chain a that they have to 1st to take out russia. it's impossible, most probably so that aim would not be reached. but that is at global. oh, but not a global war in terms of military. what a global war in terms of political, economic, psychological, moral, val, as ever. but he also said that despite its global implications, this war could be thought of as russia's 4th great war. starting with the war against napoleon, the civil war of the beginning of the 20th century, the 2nd world war and that this crime crisis. if we look at the death to law of the,

of this previous conflicts they, it, it could be counted in tens of thousands enough and millions. do you think in this particular case we can do it? i hope that would not reach her. the levels of course, of their great patriotic war or of their 2nd that you have to call choice, by the way, wrongly, a cold here, russian juvenile even him through us. but her for all i been, or we had the war gates, napoleon, which was the 1st, but were to cool though i live a lot of people died, but the country didn't finish. i'm for interview at one on one of the vault guests. and we are recording this interview at their sidelines have devolved their form. and she said, an interesting thing. she said like the world is used to russia, paying a disproportionate price for global peace. and there is a recognition among many of my eastern guests that russia is doing something for

itself, but it's also providing common benefit, but i'm not, many of those countries are ready to stand up for those benefits directly. do you think russia's getting enough support from, from the countries that have benefited on taishan? well we're no, we're not getting enough supporter, but we're and we're not counting other support fixer police force and support of china and 2 or 3 other nations and also on support of the world are commune to now . it is much freer because of her shirt. so the student 1st and then after a short period of soviet union collapse, russia undermined then foundation of there were some hagaman a which is nutrition superiority, which is the homepage somewhere 500 years ago. and which was, which was the foundation for the western thought. so i, in

a way we freed doable already and we're free in the world, but the people either do not understand that or in the understand the it's a public would for them. why should the pay? but there is a paradox there because on the $1.00 hand and you know, marsha is there at e said that russia fried the one from the western military had germany. but on the other hand, on the other hand, as some of the western leads there, i mean, they lost the air, the remnants of fear. because even though russia has a lot of might, and there's very a lot of difficulties in just putting in and to this constant part applauding from the, from the west. how do you think fear or the effectiveness of the nuclear deter it could be brought back into world politics? her that her one of the hardest question i want with

himself. what of herself? we actually know, but people like myself counted that a foot war of such proportions will start somewhere. our lesson counterpart shoot in stop because we are far beyond their career for it being career crisis. i mean there are what is happening. it has been a thinkable in the nuclear age or later is directly supporting arming a country which is fighting on the borders of their 1st or 2nd. nuclear should propose that that isn't thinkable that people last, ah, i was safe here. you're right away. i called and so my colleagues called the strategic perez's ah,

how to do with it. i do not know that phrase strategic, paris. it is an air. by that i assume you mean that on the west and the world, perhaps a more generally have come to take peace for granted. and i think some of that, that relates to russia's own population because in order to in a be successful in this fantasia, you not only need successful military strategies, strategic thinking in modern weapons. but you need to see war as perhaps the worse, but legitimate means of defending your country's national interest. looking at how many people have left russia since the beginning of this operation, and how many resent it on moral grounds, do you think the kremlin has enough support domestically to withstand it? no. as far as i know, the support is overwhelming. in the last majority of the russian populations full of the work. but the problem is, are there

a way to answer your question in a bit different way? i would say that this particular period, new to reparation, had several and aims. the one is clear defendant and i'm bus. the 2nd is clear, stopped nato expansion. the 3rd is that dennis in the sci fi, ukraine, which is vague, but then there of it the but one of the themes of the war was, of course, to mobilize russians. and to clean russian society from protestant element, our mind from per person and elements and truest of our culture and also competitor thinking. now these are when that is happening, whether it is

a good or bad. we know it will come out of this process by thur, we are really all for one period in our lives. very strange period in the life meaning vitals demand thought that piece is a total piece is normally is a very rare specimen or france earth. oh, really, so is a nuclear winter, italy who avoid that, but the waters of the wars will come back and that is unfortunately very ugly in her mouth if human culture for one and for of geo politics generally from all mix whatever. for one short period we because of a this holy fear of nuclear weapons. we did not fight b. gore's little. i mean we, but millions of yet members were killed. mcmillan, iraqis was killed,

we killed several 100000 people when invaded afghanistan. so the war but in the but now we return, it is kind of international media. we are entering that we have to be ready. every country will have to be ready to defend itself, much more than in the previous. so, golden several, the case we talked about fear of being brought back into politics and to some extent, the koreans are also trying to weaponized here as a, as a means to simulate their western partners, to a more active support of their cause. i'm sure you've heard russia that defense ministry are raising concerns about the ukrainians, the potentially developing ab dirty nuclear bomb. if that indeed happens, how do you think it will change the dynamics of this conflict? see metal deprecation in a nuclear dotted bond, but it's not

a very lethal weapon that it is more of a psychological terrace swiftly. it will not change the dynamics of the war, but it could provide russia with an instrument to be even more decisive. to think it will change dia, thinking among the western at least because as a, as he said, there are still a separate stigma associated with the problem with the western deletes. is that strategically? i see none of people. there are some people of my generation. i'm old and they're of quarter berlin, people in the west, but as in terms of strategic thinking, i don't see any in europe. that's what you get away as picking about natalie to i've heard you say that for us, it's like the central is shanisha of survival of the state. while for many in the west, for the western decision makers, it's a, it's

a matter of their own political survival or the survival of that cause. but it's hard to understand what's more important for them at this point of time if, whether it's a for them. i mean from them i think that issue whether it is put on the table or where somewhere there is or the survival of the system by through we should they have been falling off a little g and p for 500 years. and they understand that he's finishing and that's why i'm in that there so well, because the west with all the all jo, gorgeous achievements have been living off the exploitation who had caught you by direct and cold. it is local news and globalism, etc. center of the rest of the world and that is finished. that's why i'm in,

even without understanding that there western elite are us. so i negative on this issue of acceptable or dignified means of conducting a confrontation among enemies. do you think at this point, there is anything that that is uh, limit when it comes to russia. i hope i hope that we're not going to use nuclear weapons massively. massively the keyboard here. and this is a strategic plan. so there is one strange notion strategic plan because well, on this rather ambiguous node we have to live there, but i appreciate your wisdom as always. thank you very much. it was a pleasure and thank you for watching hope to see you again on the part

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