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a a ah, a i met representative sites at a rally in washington, d. c. o. t introduced this dentist while i do. a gallery of mississippians who had travelled there to demand a new state flag about laurence i love is the thing else. you know, we had a discussion with us. i saw this flag and fell in love with it. and i really liked that when i found out that the design of laura's then is lauren is the

granddaughter of senator jazz standard. he represented during the time of jim crow where they thought that separate but equal was ok is just so important to me, to excel that over time through the generations of people change. i'm a hip hop artist or you feel popped when lie in an i respect honoring your ancestors. i honor mine and that's kind of i feel where the clash happens because no one's going to back down from that. but i need you to acknowledge the brutality that was carried out under that banner. and once you can do that, then hopefully a dialogue can begin. and we can come to some sort of agreement because i'd rather have you with my neighbor than my enemy. we deal with

a with ah, it's pretty flag. that's both the extent of it. it does not replace what we have. um, understand the, you know, the 20 stores the significance and what the meaning of that supposed to be, but nothing about it. honors, confederate, veterans of the soldiers. nothing. the

cemetery that we're going to go. and i say cemetery, it's not much of a cemetery, it's just a few grades. but to me this is what our state flag is about. this is why our flag should remain the same. and this was originally just a small family cemetery. bo railroad tracks are in the same place. those or, and they ran from meridian to jackson and owned vicksburg. soldiers died on the train ride up here. they didn't even know the names of the soldiers. these are some of the filings who fall and died and their families never heard

from him. again. didn't know where they were buried. what happened to him? this one right here it says a 6 brave soldier sleepier and that's kind of ha, feel about it. they were brave. they were honorable. they didn't fight to preserve slavery. they fought because their home was invaded, recalls their, their site, ask them to and it was honorable thing to do in ah,

how can you say that when that cause that you say that they fought so nobody 4 was girded up by slavery. the whole reason for mississippi getting into the civil war, they say very plainly, it's about preserving slavery in the sense that it goes back almost to our founding in this country. that, that the belief that america is a white man. and anybody else who comes to has to bad down to the white man's rules . so it's about white supremacy. it's about power and control. it's about maintaining the status quo. and any kind of change occurs in this country, where there's progress made towards diversity. is responded to as it is a. ready threat to the white man, if we're going to change his flag and some brave white man,

i going to have to stand up and step up. and it's got to happen in the midst of the legislature. a last legislative session. there were 19 bills related to the flag this session there 22. all of those bills related to change or means by which we can change the flag have been introduced by african american legislators. they bill for in support of the current state flag. have all been introduced by white male, conservative legislators in 2001 the people in mississippi voted on a flag and 65 percent of the people voted to keep the current flag. well, i don't think we as elected representatives, have the right to overturn their decision. now, whether you like it or not, we can argue about that. but the decision was made by the people of mississippi to

keep the current flag. so do you have a personal feeling about the flag? i personally believe that we should keep the flag. i think that the narrative that any em lorine thing there, that harkens back to the civil war is somehow racist or in support of slavery is just wrong. what we have to do is spend the time to educate every one of what the real history with the belief that the flag issue will be settled when we all understand the real history of the civil war is attractive, but which part of the history confederate heritage supporters argue that the civil war was not fought to free the slaves because abraham lincoln himself said,

so it is original inaugural address. he said, if i could preserve the union free and all the slaves, i do that i can preserve the union, but free some slice that i can preserve the union. a free dumpsite key was reserved and though lincoln was morally opposed to slavery, he held common racist beliefs. and then there's the core when amendment to whole amendment was proposed to actually legalize leg. and i tried to propose it to the southern people to get them to not to join it back in the union, but they denied and they didn't want to have any part of it. all had been about was library than the core. and amendment would fix that because it stated that the south to perpetuate key is peculiar institution which referred to as labor if they would not succeed from the union. the core one amendment passed both houses of

congress in 1861 lincoln, in his 1st inaugural address, said he would not interfere with it. had the core would amendment been adopted before the civil war began. it would have provided a constitutional protection for slavery in the united states. and it would have been the 13th amendment but mississippi made it clear that they seceded to protect slavery, in part because they believed that black people were better suited to work in the oppressive heat, requires for picking cotton. and some white mississippians feared that emancipation wouldn't just mean economic ruin. it would lead to something they fear, even more racial equality. this was made clear when a commissioner name william l harris was sent to georgia to persuade them to join mississippi in seceding from the union and form a southern confederacy of slave holding states in an address to the georgia general

assembly. he said, our fathers made this a government for the white man, rejecting them as an ignorant, inferior barbarian race, incapable of self government. he concluded his speech, saying, mississippi would rather see the last of her race. men, women and children immolate in one common funeral pyre, can see them subjugated to the degradation of civil political and social equality with a race. georgia joined the confederacy. 3 months later, when our previous president, it was there was nothing but a big hate. and it seemed like there was more of a, a war of rice war more speak on the why was really what it was. this isn't a racial thing that my enemies will say for anything racial at all. we were out here were famed for southern pri,

better white knows it heavily with his friends. we're. we're downgrades, rule out believe that we're going to be able to comb. surround everybody. finally, you just rested because it's like, don't stay in braces and was just our heritage was set on a table and hash out the class. a come to an understanding that this is the way we feel, regardless how you feel. you know, the way you feels while you feel would change. what i'm asking you to change that we're asking you to come to a place in your life where you can excel what we do as we say up what you do. but the odds of that happening are slim and then irish leave me leave. you get breathing down. drinking water. wow. i believe people were relaxing anymore. it's all rosy. religion

with her in the state flag, the flag of 18. $94.00 as a symbol of the mississippi that adopted the constitution of 18. 90 mississippi. as governor. at that time, james arden unabashedly stated, mississippi's constitutional convention of 1890 was held for no other purpose than to eliminate from politics. like the world know it just as it is governor barnum and also said if it is necessary and every oh in the state will be lynched. and it will be done to maintain white supremacy. sometimes you'll hear people say, oh, assume you such a bare place. they're, they're not quite frankly, very big. that's fine. they can stay wherever they are. i like this boys. if i didn't like mississippi all li, if you don't white mississippi where you're leaving, i invite you to do the same. find some place where you can be. i've been raised in

this state and i love mississippi. if people have that the and say, if you don't like it, you can go somewhere. my family have been here for more than a century in that flag of deal what it is to me. no, i was going to take the flag away from you. can we add on value on your travel, your car in your yard? that's what the 1st amendment gives you. but we're talking about these date play. they represent all mississippi and in that way, i do not represent all this. that's the point i have. everything is changing. and one of the elements of this picture is to disperse the effect of the west or counter a check to stop the duration of their positions. they decided to concentrate on russia. then their real aim is, of course, saving the 500 years of that them a nation. and they need to intermediate

a system to maintain that a domain chain. they have to the 1st to take out a a slow one. it talks about how good to go unless they agree. wow, oh, we're taking a sample that is hurtful to 30 percent. busy people and you'll see what's going on, right, shows up fresh that they see a lot in the summer of 2015 the lab with the assistance of compromising republicans, launched an attack on symbols representing the confederate states of america. after

guillory lost, donald trump was elected, there were rise from july and we protestors, mostly minorities, can be seen in the demonstration changes, non president, not as if we had a city planning to that may. what do you think? what about the answer is on the flag. bear with the numbers for you probably heard that this is a little boy, a painless state you sent to work with very what about people who are terrible boys that then you are imagination a feminist,

a b, y b y a y a . and i met re shores once before and he said something to me in that conversation i'd heard from other confederate heritage supporters. but ray was the only one who set it on camera. he had said that slavery was it was, it was a natural condition. well, i know exactly what i said, but then but i remember the interview, the relationship between the slave and the master was an accepted thing. and a, it was there was a love between them. i want to understand what you're saying here is that, that, that the van to matter all arrange. and you're saying that in the united states in mississippi, that it was

a natural flavor was natural and that the relationship could be a natural thing could be yes. it could be no, there could be people who felt like it was on that like the slaves. some of them perhaps you think it was and i'm yeah, i don't think it was already place for okay with the position. yes. i just accepted it as a, as their station in the line. do you see a situation where blacks could be masters to oh, would that be that? would that be now with yeah, i think in some cases a very work, you know, i had a, a supervisor when i worked at a department store at one time that was blind and i took orders from him and did what he told me to do. and what you had your freedom east, you had your liberty, could you imagine a situation where you were look the slave of a black master?

well then let me just say that that's not something that i can just fully comprehend. and imagine right here here in your question, but i'd be happy to think about it. okay. yeah, i'm just curious. i basically told him, i said, hey, i'm one of those new age young blacks that you fear. you certainly told you might notice how much i love america. you made the comment so much say i got my education . and now what you've done is you created a model. someone who isn't afraid of someone who's going to come at you every house a breath better and we're going to make sure we get that money man, refund. mm. by the spring of 2017 cities and counties throughout the state had renew mistake flags and government buildings. as well as all a public universities and the rallies and public meetings are becoming more confrontational. now, want to physically make your loan with me and you get

a good one. the mayor job and take to the phone has to take it to devote to the people in mississippi pending claim, the shredder, j a. this is our home. these are our symbols, this with what appears to be assigned, but it's also she take

a liquid to only give you an opportunity to work with a nearby morland's, a city with a 60 percent black population. the court to just to prove the city council's plan to remove 4 prominent confederate statues from public property, including the monument to jefferson davis, president of the confederacy for confederate heritage, supporters like george. their fears were coming true, confederate monuments were now under attack. their argument is this, these statues in the symbols of the southern people are racist and promote y supremacy. that is, there are you, we got this guy walk around with the communist flag here. and he's going around just talking smack, just walking up people and just colonists, white supremacists, and racist and everything like that. but we are all willing to protect ourselves.

if we feel threatened, we will use our weapons. or you, barbara, now, yes sir. would you, would you find out if i felt threatening my life was starting your day, right. i would really and you're willing to be shot on it now, and this is a cause i'm willing to give my life or do you think that comes from right? for years and years, any time i'll walk around with my state flag. this is the flag of my state, and i get very sick and tired of being called a racist and a big it because it because i'm proud of for i'm from and it's getting to a point then we're not gonna take it in an we've

given we've compromised, we've lost a lot and we're not gonna lose any more. when you're on the right side of history, it's always worth fighting for. if you don't know about reality dice this, otherwise you'd realize that this isn't like monuments. why supremacy, how it fits a monument? know people and i was just because you say that job, it may be the most prejudiced i've ever heard of my life. you don't know any of these people in your car. ah, why supremacy not prejudiced on them? a tower they're looking for trouble. so they can get us basically kicked out of here, arrested. break our spirit. but we're not gonna fall for you guys,

please get them over there and separate them before hits the fan, if you would, we would greatly appreciate. can i not go over on the other side of the street? there's grass over there. they're going to have a cookout over there, but they're over here trying to instigate us. you see this is rolling the window up on me. he's rolling the window. you see that he just rolled the window up on me. all. i'm rolled the window. i weren't. what's your name and your badge number, sir. what's your name? your badge number. what's your name? your badge number is alma, may i get your name and your bedroom or not? so soon as you bring, i mean you guys are, we were supposed to get your public servant. you say they roll the window. they rolled the window up, they don't care. there won't trouble. there was

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