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police and somebody right away. the manual church manual there we went. and there's people shot, shot to pass on the check. please come right away. did you see him at all? yes, she's a young to anyone. why do me when you can advise me what happened at the mother emmanuel and the church and charles in south carolina in the summer of 2015 was almost to her rhetoric to comprehend. a white gunmen stormed into a bible study 9 church members die right before god another word church church. what do we know about who this man is and what his motivation may have been

you rape our women and taken over our country. you have to go shortly after dylan roof was captured, investigators found a racist manifesto. he posted online with dozens of images, posing that confederate harriet sites in with confederate flags. mm. mm. now the focus of the nation's outrage shifted from the killer himself to the symbol that seemed to contain more than its borders. all the racial hatred and roofs hart or the backlash was swift. terrific shooting has re ignited a highly sensitive debate over the confederate flag. this flag has become a symbol of murder, of racism, from hatred. and it is clearly a symbol of this chiller. the conversation we're having about the confederate flag has been about moral empathy, seeing the flag for others eyes. you know, it's a moment for society to really do a good check of our values. corporate giants like

e bay target and wal mart stopped selling items bearing the confederate flag. they're telling me right now literally just now in the last couple of minutes. unless the last few minutes, amazon, just pull the flag as well. no. even nascar, an icon of traditional southern culture turned against the flag with an appeal to patriotism. they told us got a special offer for race fans as we can trade in your confederate flag for an american lot. anti flag momentum reached a climax when president obama delivered the eulogy for mother emanuel. pastor clemente pinkney over the flag from the states. capital would not be an act of political correctness. it would not be an insult to the ballon confederate sold. mm. assembly may an acknowledgement that the cause for which they fought in the cause of slavery was then 2

weeks later, the flag came down in south carolina. oh, this is a flag again, a lot of attention is all because of this, the revel. banner rehab. it's our roommate, you know, i'm not going to you care about me if you care about to play everything. and as far as the story is supposed fixed a, do you think the confederate flag at the fed? as you can see, it's about even i wish somebody could just tell me why this sets their hair, for our government is sanctioning that shows and symbol of a terrorist organization on our state. far, i love the seminar. i love the in the southern veil. i think we had the most beautiful flag we need to fight. i know my problem is the safe place to with everyone in not a time in history. and what they're gonna do is they're trying to fill us as

mississippians that we should change. we're not gonna change, you know, i don't live here a standing in line with our with i was born and raised in the north or my irish great, great grandfather, michael o'connor was an officer of the union army. but i married a mississippian, and of course we live here now. the main street in the neighboring town is not called main street. it's jeff davis avenue, named after jefferson davis,

a mississippi plantation owner. and us senator, who advocated for the expansion of slavery into the new territory and he was elected president of the confederacy. there's another jeff davis avenue short drive away in jefferson davis. his home and presidential library is just up the highway like many mississippi counties. our court house at the monument to confederate soldiers and some of our neighbors flew the state flag and their yards. something i'd never seen any place else. so yes, in mississippi remnants of the confederacy are everywhere. but even at the civil war relics, joe and brandon, mississippi change seem inevitable. tell me what sort of interactions are you having with folks who are interested in buying mississippi people are buying mississippi state play more than usual. evidently, there must be

a shortage on the horizon somewhere in it. a shame. okay, my name is tim cupid. i'm a member of the funds, a confederate veteran. when i started doing my family research, i found that my family called on both sides union and confederate, but if some people lane last sunday, the lane, right? well i lanes out. we want people to remember our past what our ancestors went through. and this drives that we made, ah, i appreciate you being here. and now i hope that when you're doing your documentary that you are present both sides on positive manner and, and let people make amanda for themselves. i understood that confederate heritage,

supporters like tim might be suspicious of my intentions. i am a yankee after all. i assured him and everyone else i spoke to the film that i wasn't going to choose aside. mister bate. and i wasn't here to judge anyone. i simply wanted to understand why mississippians were so divided overstate flag, whose purpose should be to unite us. ah, [000:00:00;00]

a sons of confederate veterans purposes, not to defend confederate government or purposes, to defend the good name of the confederate seldom. and that's the out that you take, which i take very seriously because these monuments that you see everywhere are not, can, they're not monuments to the federal government. they're monuments to the, to the soldiers, to the veteran. most of the came back terribly wanted. ah, ah, implied that those men were masters of some sort and that's not true. and so i can't just sit there while that story gets told that i know it's not true. of course, for me, i'm fascinated with mississippi history in particular because the census in 1840 i

think is 1st one. 0 everybody here was 20 years old. everybody torno people anywhere. and they were coming to absolutely raleigh and anyone there 20 years that you're fighting for your existence as a nation. oh, you know that's a, that's how we got. here was a state board of talent to live rebel over the sanction. do not be a bad again, only which reward anus any, pardon for anything are done? look, this state flag issue never would have been brought back up if it wasn't for what

happened. on june 17th in charleston, south carolina. they want you to believe that that flag grew handlers came down that paul walked in. that church will be of those people. it was a human being that did that, not a flag open your mouth. open your mouth. oh, we keep them your mouth open, it does something with the concussion. every flag has its history. it has its pride and dark parts. we won't talk about dark parts, you know, we can mention how slavery was brought in under the u. s. flag. there's videos of this one organization marching down. i believe it's pennsylvania avenue in

washington, d. c. and they're only flying the u. s. flag. why not be offended? because if that's like, you know, if we're going to be offended by everything, every negative part of our history, we have to get rid of everything. oh, well if you say you're fighting for your heritage where your heritage was based on money and power in the only way you could get money and power here in this is if you kill a decent franchise, people in slaves plain and simple always new would the confederate emblem made to us as an african americans. but what can you tell me what i always meant to patron lynchings,

beatings, poverty, why supremacy is just the disgusting ambler? i feel that way because i leave it. ah ah ah ah, that everything is changing and one of the element of this picture is that they're desperate. the attack of the west or counter attack to stop the duration of their

positions. they decided to concentrate on russia. and their real aim is, of course, saving their 500 years of their donation and the emitter intermediate aim is that on demand china now. but under my china, they have to 1st to take our trust, ah ah, with

with ah, in a state this whole flagship, really serious a hatred and a flag was always present like it was just out joanna,

when those people were shot, we got a whole

lot of confederate batteries and members of the k k k. i say that they are christian and it is my hope in mind is that god will push them to put tre. christine, how do you change the hot over man? you? well, the law may not change my house of men your chan on a dog's chamber, habits of men. when you are begun, i have a 2 men who it is only added who would be j. phone off will be june. my mother, she all for welfare rights for women. they holster down, we hoses. she still held the bite marks owner laid from the doll. and she also went to jail and i was like to know this, my mamma. why? why not?

i mean, she's the sweetest person. oh no. why would somebody do that to her? it was appalling when the news came on about the shooting. mamma say they don't make no. if i stood up and went to jail and get beat for human rights and civil rights and welfare rights. yeah. better do something. and when she say gal better do something, we do something i'm the director of of lanfield miss tippins coalition. i've just been going around trying to raise awareness about the importance of removing the confederate emblem from our state flag. it's gonna be hard but is not impasse. you just have to keep pushing and keep striving. i just by

god for, oh, ah, grace and mercy. because you need a whole lot more than you would have been march from g r. lead street to the state capital calling for change in the state flag. we just need a flag that were unified. everyone in not long after i met sharon's, she stepped away from her leadership role with the flag for all mississippians initiative. due to health reasons. it would be some time before i could talk to sharon on camera again. she found an ally and leah campbell, an anti flag activist on the mississippi gulf coast. for me as a white woman, it's incumbent upon me as a, as a white, mississippi, and a person of privilege. to use my privilege to do what i can to dismantle

a system of white supremacy and symbols of white supremacy that my ancestors created. a song that still exist here, and it would be naive me or anyone else to deny that in charleston happen. and i distinctly remember seeing the photo dylan roof posing with the confederate fire and reading his blog post. and then watch governor nikki haley, have the courage to take that confederate envelope down from south carolina state house ground. it really made me angry that our governor and our legislators could not display the same courage. oh,

so i knew i had to get involved. were fighting for the soul. a right now in american, do you think it makes them feel when they everywhere lays her that flag line? what are we on a new in ah, this wasn't the 1st time mississippians have wrestled over there. flag 993. the young double a c p. to the state,

to change the flag for familiar reasons about that and that that lawsuit lead to the discovery that due to a legislative air and 1906, mississippi did not have an official state flag in 2001 governor. ronnie must grow just trying to settle the issue with a statewide referendum, asking voters to choose between 2 flags. the current flag at the time which had been adopted and $894.00 and a new design. and now the mississippi flag is wavering at this time, voters will decide if the confederate symbol will fall. the flag of 8941 by nearly 2 to one margin, settling the issue for the time being the flag of 894 was adopted. just 4 years after mississippi had convened a constitutional convention to write

a new state constitution from the civil war had ended 30 years earlier. and although black mississippians made up nearly 60 percent of the states population, only one of the convention delegates was black. reconstruction was over, and white mississippians had regained political control from the majority black population to violence and intimidation, and a newly form ku klux klan. the president of the convention made it clear that their goal was his circumvent. the 15th amendment, which prohibited the government from denying a citizen, the right to vote based on race. let's tell the truth of at 1st the bottom of the university said, we came here to exclude the other convention. delegates confirmed this notion i ah mississippi's constitution of

$1890.00 included a whole tax in a literacy test that effectively prevented generations of black citizens from voting until the passage of the voting rights act. some 75 years later it was in this political climate that the flag of 1894 was born. ah, back on the flag trade, the flags all over the street. you know, because i got the, the horizontal lamps hanging out. so i was like, wow, that's why so i'm a true blooded, southern mississippi, southern man and, and accept it. and i, i relish it because that's who i am. that's who, where my family is, came from. my family as live in the state of mississippi before it even became a state of the i'm

a direct descendant of james jefferson. johnson is my great, great great grandfather. he fought in the 41st mississippi infantry. this is my son's a confirmed veteran certificate. what really got me just fired about doing some kind of a better organization is because what's going on in the country discrimination against people discrimination against the jews with discrimination against us or what about discrimination against others? they accuse us of all being rices, you know, and it's a fan of a 1000000 is what the flag means, a lot of people and that's why like k and other groups used to play the part that me off the worst is i wish my ancestors would have put a stop to it before you know, a got to the point that is today. we're anytime i say that played out a magazine take

a taping person. me what is referred to as a confederate flag. graphically it, it however, you can separate it from all that it is stood for and a negative sounds. i'd love for us to have a symbol about which people had no evidence whatsoever. we're at a moment where we can do this right and well and respectfully, fraud involved. i didn't like name callings, i don't want rallies where people are yelling back and forth all along the way from the way i present things the way design a flag. i want everybody to have a stitch, a thread, and that new design. and i hope to be that middle ground, that landing point for folks who, you know, as time has passed and they come along, i think. and right now we need something new. it began with a whole lot of sketching, a lot of note taking a lot of research, a flag really as

a living symbol and document and piece of art that there $900.00 stars along the outer edge. we were the 20th state to join the union. the color, red symbolizes passion and blood. i chose a color white as a field because it represents elimination spirituality promise. and i thought that was an appropriate way to bring together all of these elements and all of these aspects of our history. and our story. of course, my grandfather was a us senate and i, he was one of the co authors and signers of the southern manifesto, which was a reaction against brown vs board of education. integrating schools. and he was involved in the oppression of african americans in our state by way of policy. but i still love my grandfather. his personal motto was look ahead and he did, he eventually changed himself to on that issue. lauren's flag design, known as this dentist flag quickly became popular and caught the attention of state representative kathy sikes,

who was the 1st legislator to advocate for the stanish flag as a viable alternative to the flag of 1894. what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race group is on often very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time time to sit down and talk. ah, no one, no son of neural will joke. no, no. what goal was real to what they should end up unit 73. 1 was

a unique organization in the history of the world. what they were trying to do was to simply do nothing short and build the most powerful and most deadly biological weapons program that the world had ever. no real good, you know, to production issue or shoot good. a de la keel to the new sun, new rochelle. keep on more, mon, general margaret thought, dismay nguyen from all one of our family and i got the owner, marcell janina. i go on monday. i wish to know about joy whole new a new he didn't or gotten more or less than a jealous i had to put on the sky mother and all our buddy bill could you could

help us out. nice. oh boy festival. to go on what the on this for? sure. my a new on it. i'm all i can send more on all said mom. good student. i don't the year your love, i'm all for them. i don't think of us together. i met representative beside to the rally in washington, d. c. o t introduced his dentist. why do it gather it of mississippians who had travelled there to demand a new state flag over by lawrence. and as i love this because, and the thing is, you know, we had a discussion about that i saw this flag and fell in love with it. and i really liked it when i found out that the designer was laura's dentist. lauren is the granddaughter of senator jazz standard. he represented during the time of jim crow