oh, what does bundis? wow, she my indiana. oh, i can send more. all shipment good to you, you'll know. and we'll put them out to think about it. i met representative aside to the rally in washington, d. c. o t introduce this dentist. why do it gather it of mississippians who had travelled there to demand a new state flag over by laurence. i love this because, and the thing is, you know, we had a discussion about that i saw this flag and fell in love with that. and i really liked that when i found out that the designer laura's then is lauren is the granddaughter of senator johnston, is he represented during the time of jim crow where they thought that separate but equal was ok. is just so important to me. who felt bad over

time and through the generations of people change. i'm a hip hop artist or you feel popped when lie in and inspire the oh, i respect honoring your ancestors. i honor mine and that's kind of i feel where the clash happens because no one's going to back down from that. but i need you to acknowledge the brutality that was carried out under that banner. and once you can do that, then hopefully a dialogue can begin and we can come to some sort of agreement because i'd rather have you as my neighbor than my enemy. we deal with a more to say. so i'm a state feel my guy, you a oh i have one

with it's pretty flag. that's about the extent of it. it does not replace what we have. now. understand, you know, the 20 stores the significance and what the meaning of that supposed to be, but nothing about it. honors confederate, veterans soldiers, nothing. this cemetery that we're going to go. and i say cemetery, it's not much of a cemetery is just a few grades. but to me, this is what our state flag is about. this is why our flag should remain the sign

in this was originally just a small family cemetery. bo railroad tracks are in the same place. those are and they ran from meridian to jackson and owned vicksburg. soldiers died on the train right up here. they didn't even know the names of the soldiers. these are some of the files ins who fall and died. and their families never heard from them again, didn't know where they were buried. what happened to them? this one right here, it says a 6 brave soldier,

sleep here. that's kind of ha, feel about it. they were brave. they were honorable by didn't fight to preserve slavery. they fought because their home was invited in recalls their, their state asked him to and it was an honorable thing to do in ah, how can you say that when that caused that you say that they fought so nobody 4 was girded up by slavery in the whole reason for

mississippi getting into the civil war, they say very plainly, it's about preserving slavery in the sense that it goes back almost to our founding in this country. that, that the belief that america is a white man. and anybody else would come to you has to back down to the white man's rules. so it's about white supremacy. it's about power and control. it's about maintaining the status quo. and any kind of change occurs in this country where those progress made towards diversity is responded to as it is a threat to the white man. if we're going to change this flag and then some brave white man, i'm going to have to stand up and step up. and it's got to happen in the midst of the legislature. a

last legislative session, there were 19 bills related to the flag this session there 2002. all of those bills related to change or a means by which we can change the flag has been introduced by african american legislators. they bill for in support of the current state flag have all been introduced by white male, conservative legislators in 2001 the people mississippi voted on a flag and 65 percent of the people voted to keep the current flag. i don't think we as elected representatives, have the right to overturn their decision. now, whether you like it or not, we can argue about that. but the decision was made by the people of mississippi to keep the current flag. so do you have a personal feeling about the flag? i personally believe that we should keep the flag. i think that the narrative that

any emblem or anything there that harkens back to the civil war is somehow racist or in support of slavery is just wrong. what we have to do is spend the time to educate every one of what the real history of. mm hm. in the belief that the flag issue will be settled when we all understand the real history of the civil war is attractive. but which part of the history confederate heritage supporters argued that the civil war was not fought to free the slaves? because abraham lincoln himself said, so it is original inaugural address. he said, if i could preserve the union free and all the slaves, i did that reserve the union, but free some slight that i can preserve the union,

a free dumpsite that he was reserved. and though lincoln was morally opposed to slavery, he held common racist beliefs. and then there's the core when amendment proposal and then it was proposed to actually legalize leg. and i tried to propose it to the southern people to get them to not to join, get back in the union, but they didn't have it and they didn't want to have any part of it. all, had it been about was slavery. then the court amendment would fix that because it stated that the south to perpetually keep is peculiar institution which referred to as library. if they would not succeed from the union. the core one amendment passed both houses of congress in 1861 lincoln, in his 1st inaugural address, said he would not interfere with it. had the core would amendment been adopted

before the civil war began. it would have provided a constitutional protection for slavery. in the united states, and it would have been the 13th amendment but mississippi made it clear that they seceded to protect slavery. in part because they believed that black people were better suited to work in the oppressive heat. a requirement for picking cotton and some white mississippians feared that emancipation wouldn't just mean economic ruin . it would lead to something they fear, even more racial equality. this was made clear when a commissioner name william l harris was sent to georgia to persuade them to join mississippi in seceding from the union and former southern confederacy of slave holding states an address to the georgia general assembly. he said, our fathers made this a government for the white man projecting as an ignorant, inferior barbarian race, incapable of self government. he concluded his speech,

saying, mississippi would rather see the last of her race. men, women and children immolate in one common funeral pyre, can see them subjugated to the degradation of civil political and social equality with a race. georgia joined the confederacy. 3 months later, when our previous president was, there was nothing but a big hey. and it seemed like there was more of a, a war of rice war more speak on the why does really what it was. this isn't a racial thing that my enemies will play for anything racial at all. we were out here where stand for southern pri that hawaii knows it heavily with his friends with judge rule about believe that will they will bail will come out and everybody finally you just

rested because it's like, don't stay in for racism is just our heritage will sit down at a table and hash out the play, a come to an understanding that this is the way we feel, regardless how you feel. you know, the way you feels while you feel we can't change it. we're not asking you to change that. we're asking you to come to a place in your life where you can excel, what we do as we say up what you, what the odds of that happening are slim. and then honestly they leave you breathing down drinking water. well, i'll be late. people will actually move in best. all right. she tells you religion with her sake flag the flag of 18. $94.00 as a symbol of the mississippi that adopted the constitution of $1890.00 mississippi's

governor. at that time, james arden unabashedly stated, mississippi's constitutional convention of 1890 was held for no other purpose than to eliminate from politics. let the world know it just as it is. governor varnum and also said if it is necessary and every oh in the state will be lynched and it will be done to maintain white supremacy. sometimes you'll hear people say, oh, it is such a better place there and they're not quite frankly, but he's been good. that's fine. they can stay wherever they are. i'm white, this boyish, if i didn't. why mississippi? lee? if you don't white mississippi and we're leaving, i invite you to do the same final place where you can be happy. i've been raised in this state and i love mississippi. if other people have that the and say, if you don't like it, you can go somewhere else. my family have been here for more than

a century in that flag deal. what it is to me. no, i was going to take the flag away from you. can we add on value on your travel, your car in your yard? that's what the 1st amendment gives you. but without, without these date flag, they represent all mississippi and in their flag that represent all those that the boy ah oh, everything is changing. and then one of the elements of this picture is to disperse the effect of the west or counter attack to stop the duration of their positions. they decided to concentrate on russia. and their real aim is, of course, saving the 500 years of their them a nation,

and they need to meet it on to maintain that a they have to the 1st to take out a ah, watching a

i know the bible out. look, it talks about low one, it talks about how good to go unless they agree. wow. so it was wrong. we're taking a sample that is hurtful to 30 percent of people and you want to move on. right? shows up fresh that they see a lot in the summer of 2015 the where with compromise. hello. this long staff also holds representing the confederate states of america. after guillory last dial shawn was elected, there were rives from july, and we protestors mostly minorities, could be seen in the demonstration chant, did not president a reply to that. maybe. what do you think?

what about the answer is obvious. the flag bear with the numbers for you probably heard that this is a little more than a pain with very what about the people there? tell them boys, that a feminist, a b, y a y a

and i met re shores once before. and he said something to me in that conversation i'd heard from other confederate heritage supporters. but ray was the only one who set it on camera. you'd said that slavery was it was, it was a natural condition. i don't know exactly what i said, but then, but i remember the interview, the relationship between the slave and the master wasn't accepted thing and a, it was there was a love between them. sure. understand what you're saying here is that, that, that the matter will arrange. and you're saying that in the united states in mississippi, that it was a natural flavor, was natural and that the relationship could be a natural thing, could be yes, it could be no, there could be people who felt like it was and that like the slaves, some of them perhaps you think it was not? um yeah, i don't think it was already approved for. okay. what the position?

yes. i just accepted it as a as their station in the line. do you see a situation where blacks could be masters to white's? would that be now? would that be no and yeah, i think in some cases a very well, you know, i had a, a supervisor when i worked at a department store one time that was bought inactive orders from him and did what he told me to do. and what you had your freedom of use, do you had your liberty? could you imagine situation where you were look the slave of a black master? well pat, let me just say that that's not something that i can just fully comprehend. and imagine right here here in your question, but i'd be happy to think about it. yeah, i'm just curious. i basically told him, i said, hey, i'm one of those new ways, young blacks that you fear. you certainly told war. you may notice how much i love

america. you made the comment so much that i got my education. and now what you've done is you created or was someone who isn't afraid of someone who's going to come at you every house, a breath there. and we're going to make sure we get that flag. and i will go down to where it is in the state. you know, we are 40 percent and we can make that not be afraid of these guys because there are some the biggest cows in the world. are you a veteran? did you ever serve the say? no. well, you're here with lisa. funny man. ah, by the spring of 2017 cities and counties throughout the state had renew mistake flag from government buildings as well as all 8 public universities and the rallies and public meetings are becoming more confrontational. now. want to make remove, which was but it didn't hurt me and you gave

a hatred whatever 111 mayor, job and takes it, has failed to take it to devote to the people mississippi pending claim, the shredder j a. this is our home. these are our symbols, that way, that i made what appears to be assigned, but it's also she'll take a liquid to only give you an opportunity to wrong with

her. in nearby morland's a city with a 60 percent black population, the court to just to prove the city council's plan to remove 4 prominent confederate statues from public property. including the monument to jefferson davis, president of the confederacy for confederate heritage, supporters like george. their fears were coming true, confederate monuments were now under attack. their argument is this, the statues in the symbols of the southern people are racist and promote why supremacy that is their argument. we got this guy walk around with the communist black here and he's going around just talking smack, just walking up people and just to colonist white supremacists and racist and everything like that. we're all willing to protect ourselves. if we feel threaten,

we will use our weapons. are you off right now? yes sir. would you? would you find out if i felt threatening my life was starting your day and right, i would really and you're willing to be shot now and this is a cause i'm willing to give my life or do you think that comes from right for years and years any time i'll walk around with my state flag, this is the flag of my state. and i get very sick and tired of being called a racist. and i'm big it because it because i'm proud of poor up front. and it's going to a point then we're not gonna take it in. we've given we've compromised. we've lost

a lot and we're not gonna lose anymore. when you're on the right side of history, it's always worth fighting for. if you don't know about reality, i say, oh here's otherwise you realize that this isn't a lot and i was just because you say that job, it could be the most prejudiced i've ever heard of my life. you don't know any of these people in your car was it was denied you're prejudiced on a shower. they're looking for trouble. so they can get us basically kicked out of here, arrested. break our spirit. but we're not gonna fall for you guys.

please get them over there and separate them before hits the fan, if you would, we would greatly appreciate. can i not go over on the other side of the street? there's grass over there. they're going to have a cookout over there, but there are over here trying to instigate. you see this is rolling the window up on me. he's rolling the window. you see that? he just rolled the window up on me. all i'm rolled the window. i went, what's your name and your badge number, sir. what's your name? your badge number, what's your name? your badge number. it is all my shirt. may i get your name and your badge or more? not serious. and i asked you for a name and your badge number, you're supposed to get it, you're a public servant. you say they roll the window, they rolled the window, they don't care. there won't trouble. there was a mm

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ah ah, in response to the violence of the jefferson davis monument, a group of self identifying white supremacists and neo nazis gathered at least circle in new orleans for a white civil rights organization. with oh, they were there to protest the planned removal of a statue of confederate general robert made leave. or on this day, it wasn't possible to separate confederates symbols from racist,

believe you were in all 4 days later that jefferson davis statue was taken down. who and robert e. lee was removed from his medicine, at least for what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic, development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful,

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with me hun won't print worlds apart. when looking at the war in your brain, and it's worldwide implications, it's hard to tell when it all began. did it start in february of 2022 when russia launched its military operation, or 7 years prior, when it failed to put an end to bloodshed interest in the ukraine can be traced to the collapse of the soviet union, or perhaps the beginning of the 16th century and they assertive rise of western power, and perhaps even more importantly than the question of the origin is peaceful and fair co existence even possible between the west and the rest of to discuss it. i'm now joined by so again, could our gun of academic supervisor at the school for world the canal mix and international relations at the higher school of economics in moscow. mr. could have