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a kind of mania. they keep repeating the same actions and i think they're doing this because they want to show that they still ruined the world. but in fact, every, especially against russia, every sanction to having boss has shown as up the line, how much they don't room. mm ah, ah, i hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter level western leads essentially promised. give a blank check to continue nato's proxy war against russia. businesses and consumers are now saying not fast. the west believes russia would quickly collapse under the

weight of sanctions. instead. it is the wes, particularly europe facing collapse. ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest here in moscow, vivian monroe. he is the founder of the centre, a political strategic analysis, scrapple. and we also have dmitri bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor, and you know me, internet media project. right gentlemen, cross up rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciated. i start our team here in moscow edema. we see we see this 2 different trends that they are they, they were kind of blurry for the 1st 8 months, but now they're getting more and more clear. we have a leaks that are still committed to this proxy war to the point of the reports of american specialist on the ground in care. we all know what that means of finland

may take on the new killer option of nato. but then you have the consumer saying, you know, we can take the inflation, we were losing our businesses. productivity is going down as the americans go to their pulse for the midterm elections, it's not even the top 20 issues ukraine. so we have, we have a real divergence of a lead agenda and everybody else thought steamer is absolutely true. and so what is specialist on an absurd is the fact that the situation of the battle role in your brain is somehow connected to american elections. i mean, isn't that absurd? thousands of people die. you know, sieges i've been destroyed depending on the election schedule with united states. you know, obviously, is this ukrainian counter offensive was to this election mid term elections as keep tromp and trumpets all the power to keep mr. by

the know, so she's in power and this is it, and i'm sure it in itself, but also just how mass you the western society has become, will remember. and then you progress in west germany in the u. k. now finland says that it may take nuclear weapons to it's 30 colon has been asking for nuclear weapons for several years. you know, consecutive forties, governments, i've been saying want american, you know, out there g. so they, they an average european know, or an average b is not feeling any pain until there is a price on gas or until there are no jobs. people are not thinking about their long term security interests and maybe it is called the law that this

winter, they're rich abuse for all these embargo sanctions. and other things just want to reach is going to shoot an average would be, and it was, these people look, feel anything until them basically. so that's just a very said a, we've already mentioned it, you know, the, except a new killer option. we have the, the pentagon through leaks to their favorites in the press are talking about american specialists on the ground inspection inspections after 10 months of all of this military. and then we need to find out where it's going. i mean, the fact that they don't know where going is going is room on the back that they say they need inspectors here. and then on top of it, we go into bizarre thinking. the bizarre world of these need to leads is, are talking about, i'm a marshall plan to reconstruct ukraine. and my question is, when you crane, are you talking about going into the,

into the absurd what these people are talking about. and they want to spend somebody else's money, their taxpayers money. go ahead. exactly. yeah, of course and trust it's a lie because for instance of the u. s. army just delivered the number on your car system. so i can't believe that the, the people who are going to manage the system or do korean, the army. because it's, it's about 6 months, it's about one year to get to get the formation to, to, to use this weapon. so since the beginning in the ukraine and stuff, even an insider green army, there is a not only a people for trainings or economy, but to fight with your green army. so it's, it's a lie. during that, it's a just going to inspect some seeing it. of course, there is some us soldiers are under ukrainian soul. and of course, it's a war against a nato against russia. as a perfectly said,

i under ukrainian territories at what athens and the, you know, i liked the comparison with a crisis in a 62. why? because it ended, it was a compromise. and in my opinion, oh yes, of course, because everybody, everybody remembers a u. c. h, in as to what a nuclear missiles are from cuba. but in the same times, the u. s. as to when i create the nuclear missile in turkey, jupiter missiles. so in my opinion, it could be a good option to find a come from is not between q on must go because the consent was, but it was ition between moscow and washington. and as you said, as long as they would have immediately when they would have some consequences on the political life inside united states, france, germany. so as

a we started to change the to change the politics. why? because kiff and water will stay, no, we're on the ukraine. is it easier and easier? so no, for the west, i was, it was on the us middest this morning, or maybe in the new york times or in the west. we don't, i don't remember, but this say that a kid could evacuate 3000000 people. if the electricity, the power is not a black male. well, yes, but the question is, where, where are going to go? and in my opinion, it would be 3 additional ukrainian migrants on the european source, which is already a completely or a there's a solution to this is comb negotiations. yes. i know. well you guys playing that on this program, your exam is absolutely right. i want to make it very clear, the fact that dina, savvy and i are talking right now was because they were

a sober mines in 1962 to resolve a crisis. but demon, let me go back to you. the only thing the, the west wants to do under the leadership of the united states. it's a supplicant u k b. they only have one direction and that's called solution. and you know what the meant? the russians meet the escalation, every single time demon. oh, well indeed, if we compare the lead, so 196-2022, the comparison is not the advantage of today's lease, and that's what our foreign minister said. you are all set. actually, when people say in the west, the power of his anti america, just look how many good things he had to say about the united states over the past and about our corporation during the world war 2. basically can

a g and not only gradually lawyer. you know, the tension also, the american missiles were taken out of turkey. secretly. people have known about it only later, so that elite was responsible. it could control information. and now the belligerence control information. i mean, if by any chance the united states starts to withdraw troops from eastern europe, you can imagine what kind of scandal there will be in the press in the united states and the, the, you, they call it freedom of the press, freedom for their press. freedom for they. right. right. and you're absolutely right. you know, blair called black me, i mean, these people never tell the full story. russia started to bomb the infrastructure or big ukrainian. see, just after that, one of the crimean breach, after them terrorist act, you know, russia style a response. so people should have thought about it before doing that, you know,

the ukrainian and they are western help us. they bring in special services and their west campus should have given it a thought. and also you remember their celebration on the 1st day of that, against the graeme. you recall we keep that bridge. oh, now the war is all while i and also unfortunately the reason for this conference and the reason for the huge, huge casual just now is that the west never to the was all the russian leadership. all other posing car countries at the face value. whenever we didn't set, we're going to respond. the response was with you can't. well, you know, and, and the russian government in the end of 2021 they said stop, you know, return to the 1997 when it's getting dangerous. oh, this is blackmail. this is not serious. additional data like wouldn't says,

we don't want to the expansion of nato because it's getting dangerous or he doesn't mean that he wants to rebuild the soviet union. the same story was with the same story, was with all the previous wars that tonight the states and the gate basically made not only possible but in that. and in this situation that you know, wards lose their meaning. the same, the same about these training centers and the american specialists in ukraine, a chuckle, they called it a training center, but in fact, it was becoming something suspicious. looking like a base in the ukraine, right? they just gave it a different name. so these people lie and they expect their opponents to lie in the st. james this way. you know, they didn't let me go back. exactly. exactly the, the dimension the, you know, like afghanistan in iraq, you know, in libby and all that. but those countries are from nice and find before they're

destroyed by the west, but rush is a very different case. russia knows exactly what's going on over. you train every single square centimeter of it. they know where these, what the actual truths are, is basically what the west is doing is putting a target on the back of their own troops. just like zelinski is willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of his own soldiers in a few. well, after 2 years, the more the, the lack of any kind of moral responsibility from coming from the west is astounding. sadly, yes, of course. then they even don't care about it. but i would like to insist on the, on the question, if you will owe me of the good work of communication controlling the formation. if you look at what happened to r t in france, are they managed to block on youtube channel. they managed to look on the say which, which is we're supposed to be an antenna to china. they managed to block a rumble. and the reason is, 1st, of course, continuing laying on the on what's happened in ukraine. but they were afraid by

social unrest. we're going to happen in france because of the crisis they created themselves. and if you remember doing a jacket in 2018, which channel was supported by the people in the street. it was all t. so it's, so it's a war not only against a russia and the euclidian people, but it's so again, its own population and they don't want to see again, all t a going out on the shows it easy and being applauded by yellow jackets that it's up in the 4 years ago, so it wasn't fussing i would, i would like to underline and be more unix point. we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break will continue our discussion. i'm some brilliant stay with archy. ah ah

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ah, well across stock were all things are considered non parallel, this is the home addition to remind you we're discussing some real news. ah, okay, connecting survey also here in moscow with him and i, you want to make a 2nd point for me when we go to the break, read about what, what happens in ukraine. the point is, if you look at what the west equipment delivering by the west to ukraine is saw, you know, it's very, it's not adapted to, to the war. so what you say to the, what they're going to, we are going to see in the, in the winter, it's only a will armada i cause, well, no, no use. and i look at the, on the, on the videos from, from, from jeff,

actually with the, i soon older v a, b. it's, so it's a radio, it's a radio. it's no, no, yes, no, no museum. yeah, it's a museum. it's no use. so it's exactly what you said that they sent some all the equipment to make. do you current army, still fighting against russia, even if everybody perfectly know that it won't help? and you know, let's talk about cason. even if, if it takes takes cason, what we changed, for instance, for kiff, for although po infrastructure we are, we are going to be completely destroy. it won't change anything. and sooner or later russia will go back, take back caisson, take the saw and that's all. but for the west, in my opinion, the last world target is to kill the maximum of russian soldiers. is the only a logical aim for the west because economically, as you said,

it didn't work. russia is a not isolated in the world. on the contrary is a, maybe each one of the leader of the newer people are worthy. so the last a is to kill the maximum of foolish and saudi us on the field. you know, exactly. i agree with you. let me go to demon right now, but everything we've seen in this comes like, you know, there's been a lot of frustration for people watching. is conflict like why is it taking so long for the russians or bog down? they have no ammunition. they have low morality. absolutely. it's just the opposite . this has been a very slow process, not to destroy infrastructure, making sure the country can recover and dimmer, which really goes into another level of absurdity here. ok, so we hear from the pentagon from joe, by jake solomon, all the rest of these clowns here, you know, as long as it takes as long as it,

whatever it takes, meaning no negotiation. so that signals to russia. well, these people don't want to talk. and we go and the me, you mentioned, and you said at the end of last year, i will tell you the exact date, december 17th, when the 2 demands, when one from russia went to the nato and to washington about russia security and for so if nobody wants to negotiate in the west, russia will unilaterally achieve its security demands in and because the west does not want to negotiate, rush will do it by itself. we've already seen what it will do since of every $24.00, and it will just continue to do it. and the pain dial is only been darted turner demon. oh, yes, this week for president who can stand up actually. this a collision with west, with naval wasn't and it had to happen. so it's good that it's happened on our

trips. i know that the. busy moment when the last would be prepared, you know, the problem with the previous wars that their west waste was that they were all stopped by the west at the. busy moment which the west, so as an opportune one, you know like 2003 against iraq and they all have tragic consequences. so indeed can we manage to prevent something very bad from happening, even though what happened was also bad. but also also, i don't see how that and bo, this war and now western blanche western interests, russian army, even if we lose or some soldiers, is going to have an experience. so fine can name offs. so in the next ban of 15 years, until nato completely read using arsenal, it will not at that. and don't tell me that nato did not plan to

pressure russia if not put that in the next few years. otherwise, why will they need bullet? why will they need georgia daemon, you bring up such a good point in something that exactly. and i have talked about one on one in the recent past. is it the outcome? because there's no interlocutor in the west, no responsible adult in the room to talk to certainly not zalinski. and his gang is a lot by them. it binds out to lunch, you know, and this is a family television program. so he's out to lunch. i mean, you and i have reflected on this, but she's not going to do this again. 5 years or 10 years. he wants an answer. he wants to get security answer. and since nobody in the west is responsible, russia will do it all by itself irrespective of the sanctions and all of the labeling and cancelling and all the other nonsense they do. because basically what they stamps a printing press, old weapons in propaganda, zagging. yeah,

exactly. and you know that the problem for the west, it malta are waiting to go to negotiate with russia. less that we will, we will stay away from ukraine. because if you're a members of 1st her war, m a, a fresh are in the, in february of 2022, it was about 30 a 1000 to square kilometers. it was a. yeah. and no them are already taken. it's about under, under 10000 square meters and the next step, because in my opinion of the next strategical to step for russian army, it's to take odessa. so more the, which will wait less the record we learned, we were willing to get some territories. you know, they didn't. yeah, i think if we can be kind of counter intuitive about the, the timeline you, one of my favorite questions over the last few months is who's got the clock?

who's got the time? rush's got both. okay. both the clocks and the time because of the, the way it's pursued this conflict very methodically, slowly. odessa, a cough, but this act could it be possibly january, february of next year, and with the price of energy, low productivity in europe. i, i personally think the headlines are going to go to economic collapse in the west and now what is happening on the ukrainian battlefront? would i write to add something? for instance, russia decided to take some, a economy co program for instance, for the planes. it's a 4 years plans, it's a foils planner to, to build his own plans with miss $21.00 was submitted under. so it means that russia don't, doesn't plan to, to stop the come into sanctions, for instance, about plants for years. so risha is ready as are the plans that the sanctions will

go on. maybe a full 5 years in a sanctions. a generational thing, i mean, you know, you know, you need like a 10 year calendar 20 year. you're not a yearly calendar for that. you want to jump in? yeah, i know that the reason why right to expand it's interest in your brain was because of these are some me sites. yeah. your brain did not have a long range. me so, so the initial idea was to push them away for all gone. yes. going to go to a distance. well, they will not be able to ship the seat anymore. let me remind our viewers that the forces continue to bond. yes. all the, you know, will the ask all the, all the region is in the hands or it's, it's in for them, some rough groups now, so it's protected by then. yes,

continues to suffer. and before america support these fine mars me sounds which can hit to the distance. all 3, conduct the one with a sometimes more if you will, if you use another kind of the sense, yes, in order to protect the security of the people there, we decided to expand that their g a while growth explained it very precisely as well. so just let me just remind you, a sentence is not diplomacy. sanctions is a formal war. and we have been accustomed to this war and the reason why the west is going to lose the sanction or is because they have an old fashioned view. they are a new meat. they think that russia is still some kind of a soviet conservative society where diplomats can get for it, made goods for checks. you know, i remember how much attention they paid to that story. they expect to be all right . all right. and so for just that than on 20 oligarchs or reach,

which is not the case, which has not been the case for many years. so ok if sanctions is war and their intelligence is 2030 years out of date. and when you have an outdated, the dentist rama going to win the sections simply because you don't, you underestimate your enemy no wants to underestimate. i think with them also underestimate a is the, the, the strength and vitality of the european union and the strength and vitality of nato because both are both on the menu right now. and it was the last to put it on the menu. ok. rush it in force this, the west in the outcome that is positive for russia, getting its security guarantees means the end of nature, which i would definitely applaud. and i don't think the european union will sign come out in the same form that it is right now. because it is failing, it's failing, and security is failing and prosperity,

those are the 2 pillars of the european union and they've lost all go ahead. yeah. ok. yes. the federal it that the underestimates the russian economy. you said i remember you say when we were in st. petersburg, you said that the, the said it's only 3 percent of the g d p. but it's already 3 percent. very, very important. 3 percent in the and concerning frames. for instance, agriculture, energy fertilizes. it's a, it's one of the main or were sometimes our leader in a guest in oil. so you can consider that you can put sanctions and start a war against russia as it did again, serbia 20 years ago. it's completely different, but they believe the own live is so can cause you used to say there was a war start when the politician it to the list and the start believe was they read

it in the newspaper. so it's exactly what happens in the beginning of this crisis. they believe they're all lies about the router originally economy, about the russian army and what we observe notes are interesting about the mobilization oppression mobilization. there. they'll all thing, oh, look at all the counter, but i know 300000 people, but at least they did it in about 21 months and no, and it's a very strong message to that, that russia say send to everybody in europe because i have been here, run out of time. absolutely fascinating discussion with both of you want to think. well, my guess here in moscow, i think our viewers for watching us here in our t. c. and exam. remember rock rolls. ah ah, a

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