want and i always appreciate it. i start out with d. m a here in moscow edema we see we see these 2 different trends that they are they, they were kind of blurry for the 1st 8 months, but now they're getting more and more clear. we have a leaks that are still committed to this proxy war to the point of the reports of american specialists on the ground. and can't we all know what that means. i finland on may take on the new killer option of nato. but then you have the consumer saying, you know, that we can take the inflation, we were losing our businesses approach to be used going down. and as the americans go to their pulse for the midterm elections, it's not even the top 20 issues ukraine. so we have, we have a real divergence of a lead to agenda and everybody else thought steamer is absolutely true. and what is specialist and absurd is the fact that the situation of the battle in your brain is somehow connected to american elections. i mean, isn't that absurd?

thousands of people die. you know, pension sieges, i've been destroyed depending on the election schedule with united states. you know, obviously is this ukranian counter offensive for was to this election, mid term elections are able to keep tromp and trumpets all power to keep mr. by the know, so she's in power and this is it. and i'm sure it in itself. but also just how mass you, the western society has become, will remember. and then you progress in west germany in the u. k. now finland says that it may take nuclear weapons to its 30 colon has been asking for nuclear weapons for several years. you know, consecutive forties, governments, i've been saying want american, you know, out there g. so they,

they an average european know, or an average b is not feeling any pain until there is a price on gas or until there are no jobs. people are not thinking about their long term security interests. and maybe it is a good the law that this winter, they're rich abusive for all these embargo sanctions and other things just want to reach is going to hit the never to be. and it was, these people feel anything until then basically. so that's just a very said a, we've already mentioned it, you know, the, except a nickel or option. we have the, the pentagon through leaks to their favorites in the press are talking about american specialists on the ground inspection inspections after 10 months of all of

this military. and then we need to find out where it's going. i mean, the fact that they don't know where going is going through my the back that they say they need inspectors here. and then on top of it, we go into bizarre thinking, the bizarre world of these need elite is, are talking about him a marshall plan to reconstruct ukraine. and my question is, what are you crane? are you talking about going into the, into the absurd what these people are talking about and they want to spend somebody else's money, their taxpayers money. go ahead zavion. yeah, of course. and 1st it's a lie because for instance, of the u. s. army just delivered the number on your car system. so i can't believe that the, the people who are going to manage the system or do korean, the army. because it's, it's about 6 months. it's about one year to get to get the, the formation to, to, to use this weapon. so since the beginning in the ukraine and stuff,

even an insider green army, there is a not only the people for training or economy but to fight with your green army. so 1st it's a lie. during that, it's a just going to inspect some seeing it. of course, there is some us soldiers are under ukrainian soul. and of course, it's a war against a nato against russia. as a perfectly said, i under ukrainian territories at what athens and the, you know, i liked the comparison with the cuba crisis in a 62. why? because it ended, it was a compromise. and in my opinion, oh yes, of course, because everybody, everybody remembers the u. c h in as to, as i creates the nuclear missiles are from cuba, but in the same times the u. s. us to with, i create the nuclear missile in turkey, jupiter missiles. so in my opinion, it could be a good option to find

a come from is not between q on must go because if the consent was, but it was ition between moscow and washington. and as you said, as long as they would have immediately when they would have some consequences on the political life inside united states, france, germany. so as a we started to change the to change the politics. why? because kiff and water will stay. no, we're on the ukraine. is it easier and easier? uh, no, for the west. i was, it was on the us middest this morning. maybe in the new york times or in the west. we don't, i don't remember, but the say that a kid could evacuate 3000000 people. if the electricity, the power is not a blackmail that well, yes, but the question is, where, where are going to go?

and in my opinion, it will be 3 additional ukrainian migrants on the european source, which is already a completely or a there's a solution to this is comb negotiations. yes. i know you guys playing that on this program you is absolutely right. i want to make it very clear, the fact that dina, savvy and i are talking right now was because they were a sober mines in 1962 to resolve a crisis. but demon, let me go back to you. the only thing the, the west wants to do under the leadership of the united states. it's a supplicant. u k. they, they only have one direction and that's called solution. and you know what the meant? the russians meet the next escalation, every single time demon. well indeed, if we compare the lead, so 196-2022,

the comparison is not the advantage of today's lease. and that's what our foreign minister said. you are all set. actually, when people say in the west, the power of his anti america, just look how many good things he had to say about the united states over the past and about our corporation during the world war 2. basically, kennedy and not only gradually lawyer. you know, the tension also, the american missiles were taken out of turkey. secretly. people have known about it only later, so that elite was responsible. it could control information. and now the belligerence control information. i mean, if by any chance the united states starts to withdraw troops from eastern europe, you can imagine what kind of scandal there will be in the press in the united states and the, the, you, they call it freedom of the press, freedom for their press. freedom for they. right. right. and you're absolutely

right. you know, blair called black me, i mean, these people never tell the whole story. russia started to bomb the infrastructure or big ukrainian. see, just after that, that one of the crimean breach, after the terrorist act, you know, russia style a response. so people should have thought about it before doing that, you know, the ukrainian and they are western help us. they bring in special services and their west campus should have given it to thought. and also you remember their celebration on the 1st day after that, against the graeme. you recall we keep that bridge. oh, now the war is always i. and also unfortunately, the reason for this conference and the reason for the huge, huge casual just now is that the west never to the was, or the russian leadership or other portion car countries at the face value.

whenever we didn't set, we're going to respond. the response was with you can't. well, you know, put in and the russian government in the end of 2021 they said stop, you know, return to the 1997 wine. it's getting dangerous. oh, this is blackmail. this is not serious. additional data like wouldn't says, we don't want to the expansion of nato because it's getting dangerous or he doesn't mean that he wants to rebuild the soviet union. the same story was with the same story, was with all the previous wars that tonight the states and the gate basically made not only possible but in that. and in this situation that you know, wards lose their meaning. the same, the same about the training centers and the american specialists in ukraine, a chuckle, they called it a training center, but in fact, it was becoming something suspicious. looking like a base in the ukraine, right?

they just gave it a different name. so these people lie and they expect their opponents to lie in the st. james this way. you know the demon, let me go back. exactly. exactly. the dimension the, you know, like afghanistan in iraq, you know, libby and all that book. those countries are from nice and fine before they're destroyed by the west, but rush is a very different case. russia knows exactly what's going on over. you train every single square centimeter of it. they know where these, what the actual truths are and it basically what the west is doing is putting a target on the back of their own troops. just like zalinski is willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of his own soldiers in a few. well, after 2 years, the more the, the lack of any kind of moral responsibility from coming from the west is astounding. saturday. yes, of course. then they even don't care about it. but i would like to insist on the, on the question, if you will owe me of the good work of communication controlling the formation. if

you look at what happened to all t in friends are, they managed to block on youtube channel. they managed to look on the say which, which is, were supposed to be an antenna to china. they managed to block a rubber. and the reason is, 1st, of course, continuing laying on the on what's happened in ukraine. but they were afraid by social unrest. we're going to happen in france because of the crisis they created themselves. and if you remember doing the, you know, check it in 2018, which channel was supported by the people in the street. it was all t. so i, it's, so it's a war not only against a russia and the euclidean people, but it's a what again its own population. and they don't want to see again, all t a going out on the south. easy and being applauded by yellow jacket. that is up in the 4 years ago. so it wasn't fussing i would, i would like to underline and be more unix point. we're going to go to

a hard break and after that hard, great will continue our discussion. i'm some really in staying with our team. ah ah ah ah ah a a. you care about me if you care about the play. i wish somebody could just tell me why they're all

hatred, lynchings, beating poverty, why supremacy is disgusting. and the people in mississippi voted on a wire, and 65 percent of the people voted to keep the current flag. our purpose is to in the good name and get better help because of these monuments that you see everywhere are not. they're not monuments to the confederate government. they're monuments to the, to the soldiers that are, you know, if we're going to be offended by everything, every negative part of our history. we have to get rid of everything. a watching a

national z. m a a well across stock, were all things are considered non parallel. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah. okay, connecting sunday also here in moscow with him and i you want to make a 2nd point before he went to the bomb, went to the breaker, read about what, what happens in ukraine. and the point is, if you look at what the west equipment delivering by the west to ukraine is

saw, you know, it's very, it's not adapted to, to the war. so what you say to the, what they're going to, we are going to see in the, in the winter, it's only a will armada i cause we're all, no, no use. and i look at the, on the, on the videos from, from, from jeff, actually with the i soon older j. b. it's, so it's a radio, it's a radio. it's no, no, yes, no museum. yeah, it's a museum. it's no use. so it's exactly what you said that they sent some all the equipment to make. do you current army, still fighting against russia, even if everybody perfectly know that it won't help? and you know, let's talk about this on. even if, if it takes takes cason, what we changed, for instance, for kiff, for o, although po in foster care,

we are going to be completely destroy. it won't send anything. and sooner or later russia, will we go back, take back caisson, take, or the saw, and that's all. but for the west, in my opinion, the last world target is to kill the maximum of russian soldiers. it's only a logical aim for the west because economically, as you said, it didn't work. russia is a not isolated in the world. on the contrary is a, maybe it's one of the leader of the new army to pull our word. so the last a war is to kill the maximum of foolish and saudi us on the field. you know, exactly. i agree with you. let me go to a demon right now. but everything we've seen in this comes like, you know, there's been a lot of frustration for people watching this conflict. like, why is it taking so long for the russians or bog down? they have no ammunition. they have low morality. absolute actually,

it's just the opposite. this has been a very slow process, not to destroy infrastructure, making sure the country can recover and demur, which really goes into another level of absurdity here. ok, so we hear from the pentagon from joe biden chic solomon, all the rest of these clowns here, you know, as long as it takes, as long as it takes whatever it takes, meaning no negotiation, so that signals to russia. well, these people don't want to talk and we go and you mentioned, and you said at the end of last year, i will tell you the exact date, december 17th, when the 2 demands, when one from russia went to the nato and to washington about russia. security and for so if the new nobody wants to negotiate in the west, russia will unilaterally achieve its security demands in and because the west does not want to negotiate, rush will do it by itself. we've already seen what it will do since of february

24th, and it will just continue to do it. and the pain dial has only been started to turn up demon. oh, yes, this week for president. who can say that actually this a collision with west, with naval wasn't and it had to happen. so it's good that it happened on our trips. i love at the moment when the west would be prepared. you know, the problem with the previous wars that their west waste was that they were all stopped by the west at the moment which the west. so as an opportune one, you know, like 2003 against iraq and they all had tragic consequences. so indeed, and we managed to prevent something very bad from happening, even though what happened was also bad. but also also, i don't see how that and bo,

this war arc and now weston blanche. western interests, russian army. even if we lose, or some soldiers is going to have an experience of fine can natal ops, so in the next 10 or 15 years until nato completely read use, it's are so no, it will not at that. and don't tell me that nato did not plan to pressure russia if not, but that in the next few years. otherwise, why would they need to pull and why won't they need georgia? the my, you bring up such a good point in something that i have talked about one on one in the recent past. is it the outcome because there's no need to lock in the west. no responsible adult in the room to talk to certainly not zalinski and his gang. instead of bible. it binds out to lunch, you know, and this is a family television program, so he's out for lunch. and i have reflected on this rush,

it's not going to do this again 5 years or 10 years. he wants an answer and wants to security answer. and since nobody in the west is responsible, russian will do it all by itself irrespective of the sanctions and all of the labeling and cancelling and all the other nonsense they do. because basically what they stamps a printing press, old weapons in propaganda. zavion. yeah, exactly. and you know that the problem for the west, it mortar are waiting to go to negotiate with russia. less that we, we live. it will stay away from ukraine. because if you're a member of 1st or war emma a fresher, in february of 2022, it was about 30 a 1000 to square kilometers. it was a. yeah. and no them are already taken. it's about under under 10000 square meters. and the next step,

because in my opinion of the next practical step for russian army, it's to take odessa. so more the words will wait less the return we learn, we were we looking at 70 some territories in the i think if we can be kind of counter intuitive about the, the timeline here. one of my favorite questions over the last few months is who's got the clock? who's got the time? rush's got both. ok, both the clocks and the time because i'm in the, the way it's pursued this conflict very methodically, slowly, odessa, a car. but this act could it be possibly january february of next year, and with the price of energy, low productivity in europe. i personally think the headlines are going to go to economic collapse in the west. and now what is happening on the ukranian battle from k? i right towards something, for instance, russia decided to take some

a economy co program, for instance, for the planes. it's 4 years planes. it's a 4 year plan to, to build his own plans with the m. s. 21 was a submitted under. so it's means that russia don't, doesn't plan to, to stop due to sanctions, for instance, about plants for years. so risha is ready as already plans at the sanctions will go on to maybe a full 5 years in a sanctions. a generational thing, i mean, you know, you know, you need like a 10 year calendar 20 year. you're not a yearly count calendar for this. do you want to jump in? yeah, i know that the reason why i rush to expand that it's interest in ukraine was because of these are some me sites. yeah, great. did not have a long range me so, so the initial idea was to push them away for all of the us go to

a distance where they will not be able to see the seat anymore. let me remind our viewers that brilliant forces continue to bump bon yes, all the, you know, will the ask the all the, the region is in the hands. busy or it's, it's intense and rough groups now, so it's protected by then. yes, continues to suffer. and because americans have one of these fine mark me sounds which can hit to the distance. all 3, conduct the one with a sometimes more if you will, if you use another kind of b service. yes. in order to protect the security that people there, we decided to expand that their g a while growth explained it very precisely. and just let me just remind of your sentence is not diplomacy. sanctions is a fall. and we have been accustomed to this more and the reason why the west is

going to lose the sanction or is because they have an old fashioned view. they are a new meat. they think that russia is still some kind of a soviet conservative society where diplomats can get for it, made goods for chaps. you know, i remember how much attention they paid to that story. they expect to be all right . all right, so we're just that then all 20 oligarchs are reach, which is not the case, which has not been the case for many years. so ok if sanctions is war and their intelligence is 2030 years out, date it. and when you have an outdated the day, just from a point to when the sections simply because you don't, you underestimate your enemy a underestimate. i think what they've also underestimate a is the, the, the strength and vitality of the european union in the strength and vitality of

nato because both are both are on the menu right now. it was the last to put it on the menu. ok. rush it in forces to weston, the outcome that is positive for russia, getting a security guarantees means the end of nature, which i would definitely applaud. and i don't think the european union will sign come out in the same form that it is right now because it is failing, it's failing, and security is failing and prosperity, those are the 2 pillars of the european union and they've lost all go ahead. yeah. ok, yes, the fedor it, that the underestimates the russian economy. you said i remember you. so when we were in some pit as boot you said that the, the said it's only 3 percent of the of the g d p but already 3 percent. it's very, very important 3 percent in the, in contending frames for instance, agriculture, energy fertilizes it's, it's one of the main or were sometimes a leader in a, you know,

a gas in oil. so you can consider that you can put sanctions and start a war against russia as it again area 20 years ago. it's completely different, but they believe their own lives. is the can cause you used to say, there was a war start when the politician into, to dodge on the list and the sub believe was written in the newspaper. so it's exactly what happens in the beginning of this crisis. the believes are all lies about the router originally economics, about the russian army. and what we observe nodes are interesting about the mobilization which mobilization the dell, all thing, oh, look at all the counter. mobilize the 300000 people, but that is it, it, it in about to one month and no, and it's so it varies from message to the push a cell send to everybody in europe. i think i've been here run out of time.

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