in a row, he is the founder of the centre, a political, strategic analysis, scrapple. and we also have to meet 3, bob and she is a political analyst and editor. and you know me, internet media project, originally across our goals. and in fact, i mean, you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciated start out with here in moscow. you know, we see we see these 2 different trends that they, they were kind of blurry for the 1st 8 months, but now they're getting more and more clear. we have a lease that are still committed to this proxy war to the point of the reports of american specialists on the ground. and we all know what that means in may take on the nuclear option of nato. but then you have the consumer saying, you know, we can take the inflation, we were losing our businesses. productivity is going down. and as the americans go to their holes for the midterm elections, it's not even the top 20 issues ukraine. so we have, we have a real divergence of a lead agenda and everybody else steamer is absolutely true and what

is specialist donnie and then observed is the fact that the situation of the battle in your brain is somehow connected to american elections. i mean, isn't that absurd? thousands of people die. you know. and shouldn't sieges i've been destroyed, depending on the election schedule and 9 that states, you know, obviously is this ukrainian counter offensive was there to this election mid term elections, the able to keep trump and trumpets our power to keep mr. a. so, sheets in power and this is a shortage in itself, but also just how best western society has become will remember their protests in west germany in,

in the u. k. now finland says that it may take nuclear weapons to which their g calling has been asking for nuclear weapons for several years. you know, consecutive orders. governments have been saying want american, you know, variable, so out there g. so they, they an average european know, or an average would be and is not feeling any pain until there is a price on gas or i'm killed. are no jobs. people are not thinking about their long term security interests. and maybe it is to go to law that this winter now they're rich abuse and all these embargo sanctions and other things just want to reach a because these people not feel anything until they're basically. so that's just a very said a we've already mentioned in finland me except

a nucular option. we, the pentagon through leaks to their favorites in the press are talking about american specialists on the ground inspection inspections after 10 months of all of this military. and that is all we need to find out where it's going. i mean, the fact that they don't know where going is going to prove my the back, that they say they need inspectors here. and then on top of it, we go into bizarre thinking, the bizarre world of these new leaves is they're talking about a marshall plan to reconstruct ukraine. and my question is, what are you crane? are you talking about going into the, into the absurd what these people are talking about and they want to spend somebody else's money, their taxpayers money. go ahead and of course, and 1st it's a lot because for instance, the u. s. army just delivered the number on your system. so i can't believe that the people who are going to manage the system. it are do korean army because

it's, it's about 6 months. it's about one year to get to get the, the formation to, to, to use this weapon. so since the beginning in the ukraine and stuff, even an insider green army, there is a not only a people for trainings or you can army, but to fight with the green army. so just it's a lie. during that, it's a just going to inspect some seeing it. of course, there is some u. s. saudi us on the ukranian soul. and of course, it's a war against a nato against russia, as a perfectly said and under ukrainian territories at what athens and the, you know, i liked the comparison with the cuba crisis in a $62.00. why? because it ended with a compromise. and in my opinion, oh yeah, of course, because everybody, everybody remembers that the,

you see it in as to evacuate the nuclear missiles and from cuba. but in the same times, the u. s. as to when i create a new career missile in turkey, jupiter missiles. so in my opinion, it could be a good option to find a come from is not between on moscow because gift is concerned, but, but it was ition between moscow and washington. and as you said, as long as they would have immediately when they would have some consequences on the political life inside united states, france, germany. so as we start to change the, to change the politics, why? because kiff and water will stay. no, we're on the ukraine. is it easier and easier? a for the west i was, it was on the us middest this morning or maybe in the new york times or in the west of june. i remember, but just say that

a kid could evacuate 3000000 people. if the electricity, the power is not a black male, well, yes, but the question is, where, where they're going to go? and in my opinion, it would be 3 additional ukrainian migrants on the european source, which is already a completely or a there's a solution to this is called negotiations. yeah. i know. well, he's playing that on this program. yeah. he's absolutely right. i want to make it very clear, the fact that dina savvy and i are talking right now is because they were a sober mines in 1962 to resolve a crisis. but demon, let me go back to you. the only thing the, the west wants to do under the leadership of the united states. it's a supplicant. u k. they only have one direction and that's called escalation. and

you know what? the man, the russians meet, the hex escalation every single time demon. oh, well indeed, if we compare the lease of $1962022.00, the comparison is not the advantage of today's lease. and that's what our foreign minister said. you are all set. actually when people say in the west, the power of is and the american just look how many good things she had to say about the united states over the past and about corporation during the world war 2 basically can again, not only are gradually or, you know, the tension, also, the american missiles were taken out of turkey, secretly, people have known about it only later, so that elite was responsible. it could control information. and now the belligerence control from each. i mean, if by any chance the united states starts to withdraw troops from eastern europe,

you can imagine what kind of scandal there would be in the press in the united states and the you, they call it freedom of the press, freedom for their press. freedom for they. right. right. and you're absolutely right. you know, blair called black me, i mean, these people never tell the full story. russia started to bomb the infrastructure or big ukrainian. see just after that that one of the crimea breach. after them, terrorist act, you know, russia style a response. so people should have thought about that before doing that, you know, the ukrainian and they are western help us. they bring in special services and their west campus should have given it a thought. and also, you remember their celebration on the 1st day after that, that, against the graeme. you reach all we keep that bridge. oh, now the war is always i. and also i, unfortunately,

the reason for this conference and the reason for their huge, huge casual just now is that the west never to the was, or the russian leadership or other portion card congress at the face value. whenever we can set, we're going to respond. the response was, i'm with you can, will, you know, put in and the russian government in the end of 2021 they said stop, you know, return to the 997. why it's getting dangers. oh, this is black man, this is not serious. additional doubt like wouldn't says, we don't want to the expansion of nature because it's dated. they just want to know that he does that. he wants to rebuild the sort of it. and the same story was with the same story, was with all the previous wars that united states and basically made not only possible in that and the, in this situation that you know, words lose their meaning. the same,

the same about these training centers and the american specialists in ukraine, a chalk, they called the training center, but in fact, it was becoming something suspicious. looking like a naval base in the ukraine, right? they just gave it a different name. so these people lie and they expect their opponents to lie in the st. james this way. you know, the, let me go back in the, the dimension the, you know, like afghanistan in iraq, you know, in libby and all that. but those countries are nice and fine before they're destroyed by the western russia is a very different case. russia knows exactly what's going on over. you train every single square centimeter of it. they know where these, what digital truths are they basically what the west is doing. is putting a target on the back of their own troops, just like zalinski is willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of his own soldiers in

a futile effort. here, the more, the lack of any kind of moral responsibility from coming from the west is astounding. yes, of course the they even don't care about it, but i would like to insist under under question if you allow me of the, of the, of communication controlling the formation. if you look at what happened to all t in france and they manage to block on youtube channel, they managed to look on the see which, which is, was supposed to be an antenna teacher. they managed to block a rubber. and the reason is, 1st, of course, continuing laying on the, on the what happened in ukraine, but they were afraid by social unrest. we're going to happen in france because of the crisis. they created himself. and if you remember doing the yellow jacket in 2018, which channel was supported by the people in the streets. it was all t. so i, it's, so it's a war not only against russia, and though you quinn people, but it's a what again its own population. and the don't want to see again, all

t a going out on the easy and being applauded by yellow jacket that he's up on the 4 years ago. so it wasn't fussing. i would, i would like to underline. and before you go, your next point we're going to go to hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. i'm some really stay with ah ah ah

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ah okay. schematic survey also here in moscow with him and i, you want to make a 2nd point for anyone to be bomb, went to the break, read about what, what happens in ukraine to the point is if you look at what the west equipment delivering by the west to ukraine is saw, you know, it's very, it's not adapted to, to the war. so what you say to the, what they're going to, we are going to see in the, in the winter. it's only a will armada i cause we're all, no, no use. and i look at the, on the, on the videos from, from, from jeff, actually, the, i soon older v a, b, it's, so it's a radio, it's a radio. it's no, no, yes, no museum. yeah, it's

a museum. it's no use. so it's exactly what you said that they sent some all the equipment to make. do you current army, still fighting against russia, even if everybody perfectly know that it won't help? and you know, let's talk about this on. even if, if it takes takes cason, what we changed friends and forgive for although po infrastructure we are going to be completely destroy, it won't send anything. and sooner or later russia will we go back, take back caisson, take, or the saw, and that's all. but for the west, in my opinion, the last world target is to kill the maximum of russian soldiers. is the only a logical aim for the west because economically, as you said, it didn't work. russia is a not isolated in the world. on the contrary is a, maybe it's one of the leader of the newer to pull our word. so the last

a is to kill the maximum of foolish and saudi us on the field. you know, exactly. i agree with you. let me go to demon right now. but everything we've seen in this comes like, you know, there's been a lot of frustration for people watching as conflict. like why is it taking so long for the russians or bog down? they have no ammunition, they have low morality. absolutely. it's just the opposite. this has been a very slow process, not to destroy infrastructure, making sure the country can recover and demur, which really goes into another level of absurdity here. ok, so we hear from the pentagon from joe biden chic solomon, all the rest of these clowns here, you know, as long as it takes, as long as it takes whatever it takes, meaning no negotiation, so that signals to russia. well, these people don't want to talk and we go and the me, you mentioned, and you said at the end of last year, i will tell you the exact date,

december 17th, when the 2 demands, when one from russia went to the nato and to washington about russia, security and for so if the new nobody wants to negotiate in the west, russia will unilaterally achieve its security demands in and because the west does not want to negotiate, rush will do it by itself. we've already seen what it will do since of february 24th, and it will just continue to do it. and the pain dial his only been. darted turner demon. oh, yes, this week for president. concerned that actually it this a collision with west, with naval, wasn't it? it has to happen so it's good that it's happened on our trips. i know that the. busy moment when the last would be prepared, you know, the problem with the previous wars that their west waste was that they were all

stocked by the west at the. busy moment which the west so as an opportune one, you know like 2003 against iraq and they all have tragic consequences. so indeed can we manage to prevent something very bad from happening, even though what happened was also bad. but also also, i don't see call that and bo, this war and now western blanche western interests, russian army, even if we lose or some soldiers, is going to have an experience. so fine can name offs. so in the next 10 or 15 years, until nato completely read using arsenal, it will not at that. and don't tell me that nato did not plan to pressure russia if not, but that in the next few years. otherwise, why will they need bullet? why will they need georgia the may you bring up such

a good point in something that i have talked about one on one in the recent past? is it the outcome? because there's no interlocutor in the west, no responsible adult in the room to talk to certainly not zalinski and his gang is written by them. it binds out to lunch, you know, and this is a family television program, so he's out to lunch. i mean, you and i have reflected on this rush, it's not going to do this again 5 years or 10 years. it wants an answer, want to security answer. and since nobody in the west is responsible, russia will do it all by itself, irrespective of sanctions. and all of the labeling and cancelling and all the other nonsense they do because basically what they stamps a printing press, old weapons in propaganda. zagging. yeah, exactly. and you know that the problem for the west, it's more there are waiting to go to negotiate with russia. less that we will, they will stay away from ukraine. because if you're

a members of 1st or war m a fresher, in the, in february of 2022, it was about 30 a 1000 to square kilometers. it was a. yeah. and no them are already taken. it's about under under 10000 square meters. and the next step, because in my opinion of the next strategical step for russian army, it's to take odessa. so more the which will wait less the return we learn. are we looking to get some territories in the i think if we can be kind of counter intuitive about the, the timeline you, one of my favorite questions over the last few months is who's got the clock? who's got the time rush? got both. ok. both the clocks and the time, because i'm in the, the way it's pursued this conflict very methodically, slowly. odessa,

a cough, but this act could it be possibly january february of next year. and when the price of energy, low productivity in europe. i, i personally think the headlines are going to go to economic collapse in the west. and now what is happening on the ukranian battlefront? could i write something? for instance, russia decided to take some, a economy co program for instance, for the planes. it's a 4 years plans, it's a foils planner to, to build his own plans with miss $21.00 was submitted under. so it means that russia don't, doesn't plan to stop due to sanctions, for instance, about plants for years. so really is ready as are the plans that the sanctions will go on to you maybe a full 5 years in a sanctioned generational thing. i mean, you know, you know,

you need like a 10 year calendar 20 year. you're not a yearly calendar for that. you want to jump in? yeah, i know that the reason why i rush to expand our interest in your brain was because of these are some me sites. yeah. your brain did not have a long range. me so, so the initial idea was to push them away for all gone. yes, go to a distance. well, they will not be able to ship the seat anymore. let me remind our viewers that the forces continue to bond. yes, almost daily. you know, will the ask for all the, the region is in the hands or it's, it's in for them some rough groups now, so it's protected by then. yes, continues to suffer. and because americans have one of these fine marks me sounds which can hit to the distance, all 3, conduct the one with a sometimes more if you will, if you use another kind of

b service. yes. in order to protect the security of the people there, we decided to expand that their g a while growth explained it very precisely as well. so just let me just remind of your sentence is not diplomacy. sanctions is a formal war. and we have been accustomed to this war and the reason why the west is going to lose the sanction or is because they have an old fashioned view. they are a new meat. they think that russia is still some kind of a soviet conservative society where diplomats can get for it, made goods for checks. you know, i remember how much attention they paid to that story. they expect to be all right . all right. and so for just that than on 20 oligarchs or reach, which is not the case, which has not been the case for many years. so ok if sanctions is the war and their intelligence is 2030 years out, date it. and when you have an outdated,

the dentist, you're going to win the sanctions simply because you don't, you underestimate your a, me, a under estimate. i think with them also underestimate a is the, the strength and vitality of the european union and the strength and vitality of nato because both are both on the menu right now. and it was the last to put it on the menu. ok, rush it in, force this, the west in the outcome that is positive for russia, getting its security guarantees means the end of nature, which i would definitely applaud. and i don't think the european union will sign come out in the same form that it is right now because it is failing, it's failing, and security is failing and prosperity, those are the 2 pillars of the european union. and they've lost all go ahead. yeah . ok, yes, the federal it that the underestimate the russian economy. you said i remember you

say when we were in st. petersburg, you said that the, the said it's only 3 percent of the of the g d p. but already 3 percent. it's very, very important. 3 in the and concerning frames, for instance, agriculture, energy fertilizes. it's a, it's one of the main or were sometimes our leader in a gas in oil. so you can consider that you can put sanctions and start against russia as it did again, serbia 20 years ago. it's completely different, but they believe the own live is so can cause you used to say there was a war start when the politician it to the list and the start believe was they read it in the newspaper. so it's exactly what happens in the beginning of this crisis. they believe they're all lies about a router, originally economy, about the russian army and what we observe notes are interesting about the

mobilization of ocean mobilization. there. they'll all think, oh, look at all the counter, but i know 300000 people, but at least they did it in about 21 months and no. and it was permitted to that, that push, i say, send to everybody in europe because i have been here run out of time. absolutely fascinating discussion with both of you want to think. well, my guess here in moscow, i think our viewers for watching us here in our tea scene exam. remember, ross up rules. ah ah, a which are ours. we make, you know, let you hear. you care about me if you care about to play. i wish somebody could

just tell me why their hair lynching beating poverty, why supremacy is disgusting. and the people in mississippi voted on a fly. and 65 percent of the people voted to keep the car why. our purpose is to, to fan the good name and get better help because these monuments that you see everywhere are not, they're not monuments to the computer. they're monuments to the soldiers that are, you know, if we're going to be offended by everything, every negative part of our history, we have to a who is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions. today. russia is the country with

the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing. a list of questions as we speak on the billing is pretty much the mind that we're, we're, we're banding all in ports of russian oil and gas, new g. i g, a with regard to joe biden, imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang ah, the united states in many with the rationality and i basically called what the u. s . is, you know, the u. s. position visa be sanctioned as a kind of mania. they keep repeating the same actions and i think they're doing this because they want to show that they still do the work. but in fact, every,

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