depending on the election schedule with united states, you know, obviously, is this ukranian counter offensive was to this election, mid term elections. the aim is to keep trump and trumpets our power to keep mr by the, you know, so she's in power. and this is a shortage in itself, but also just how best western society has become will remember their protests in west germany in the, in the u. k. now finland says that it may take nuclear weapons to which their g calling has been asking for nuclear weapons for several years, you know, consecutive what is governments? i've been saying want american, you know where i'm from out there g. so they, they an average european know or an average will be and is not feeling any pain until there is

a price on gas or until there are no jobs. people are not thinking about their long term security interests. and maybe it is going to law for this winter. they're rich abuse. and all these embargo sanctions and other things just want to reach a because these people don't feel anything until they're basically. so that's just a very said a we've already mentioned in made except nucular option. we, the pentagon through leaks to their favorites in the press are talking about american specialists on the ground inspection inspections after 10 months of all of this military. and that is all we need to find out where it's going. i mean, the fact that they don't know where going is going to prove my, the fact that they say they need spectres here. and then on top of it,

we go into bizarre thinking, the bizarre world of these new leaves is you're talking about in a marshall plan to reconstruct ukraine. and my question is, when you crane, are you talking about going into the, into the absurd what these people are talking about. and they want to spend somebody else's money, their taxpayers money, go ahead of the, of course. and 1st it's a lie because for instance, of the u. s. army just delivered the names on the aircraft system. so i can't believe that the, the people who are going to manage the systemic are do korean army. because it's, it's about 6 months. it's about one year to get to get the, the formation to, to, to use this weapon. so since the beginning in the ukraine and stuff, even an insider green army, there is a not only a people for trainings or you can army, but to fight with your green army. so 1st it's a lie. during that, it's

a just going to inspect some seeing it. of course, there is some us sawyers are under ukrainian soul. and of course it's a war against a nato against russia. as a perfectly said, i under ukrainian territories at what athens and the, you know, i liked the comparison with the cuba crisis in a 62. why? because it ended with a compromise. and in my opinion, oh yeah, of course, because everybody, everybody remembers that. or are you certain as to evacuate? the nuclear missiles learn from cuba, but in the same times, the u. s. as to when i trade during the career missile in turkey, jupiter missiles. so in my opinion, it could be a good option to find a come from. it's not between kiff on moscow because gift is concerned, but, but it was ition between moscow and washington. and as you said,

as long as they would have immediately when they would have some consequences on the political life inside united states, france, germany. so as we started to change the, to change the politics, why? because kiff and water will stay. no, we're on the ukraine is if you're and if you're a for the west, i was, it was on the us miss this morning or maybe in the new york times are in the west. we don't, i don't remember, but the say that a kid could evacuate 3000000 people. if the electricity, the power is not a black male. well, yes, but the question is, where, where they're going to go? and in my opinion, it will be 3 additional ukrainian migrants on the european source, which is already a completely funny either there's

a solution to this is called negotiation. yes. i know. well, he's playing that on this program here. is that he's absolutely right. i want to make it very clear the fact that dina, daddy and i are talking right now is because they were a sober mines in 1962 to resolve a crisis. but demon, let me go back to you. the only thing the, the west wants to do under the leadership of the united states. it's a supplicant. either you can say they, they only have one direction and that's called escalation. and you know what demon the russians meet the heads escalation, every single time demon. oh, well indeed, if we compare the lease of $1962022.00, the comparison is not the advantage of today's lease. and that's what our foreign minister said. you are all set. actually, when people say in the west,

the power of his anti america, just look how many good things he had to say about the united states over the past and about corporation during the world war 2. basically can a g a not only a gradually lawyer, you know the tension. also, the american missiles were taken out of turkey, secretly, people have known about it only later, so that elite was responsible. it could control information. and now the belligerence control information. i mean, if by any chance the united states starts to withdraw troops from eastern europe, you can imagine what kind of scandal there would be in the press in the united states and the in the they call it freedom of the press, freedom for their press. freedom for they. right. right. and you're absolutely right. you know, blair called black me, i mean, these people never tell the full story. russia started to bomb the infrastructure

or big ukrainians to just after that that one of the crimean breach, after them, terrorist act, you know, russia style a response. so people should have thought about that before doing that, you know, the ukrainian and they are western help us. they bring in special services and their west campus should have given it a thought. and also, you remember their celebration on the 1st day after that, against the graeme. you reach all we keep that bridge. oh, now the war is always. all right. and also, unfortunately, the reason for this conference and the reason for their huge, huge casual just now is that the west never to the was all the russian leadership, all other portion guard congress at the face value. whenever we can set, we're going to respond. the response was, are you with you can't, well, you know, put in and the russian government in the end of 2021 they said stop, you know,

return to the 997. why it's getting dangers. oh, this is black man, this is not serious. additional data like wouldn't says, we don't want to the expansion of nato because it's gauge and they just want to know if he does that, he wants to rebuild the soviet union. the same story was with the same sort. it was with all the previous wars that united states and basically made not only possible in that and the, in this situation that you know, wards lose their meaning. the same, the same about these training centers and the american specialists in ukraine. a chuck, they called the training center, but in fact, it was becoming something suspicious. looking like a naval base in the ukraine, right? they just gave it a different name. so these people lie and they expect their opponents to lie in the

st. james this way. you know, they didn't let me go back in the, the dimension the, you know, like afghanistan in iraq, you know, in libby and all that. but those countries are nice and fine before they're destroyed by the western russia is a very different case. russia knows exactly what's going on over. you train every single square centimeter of it. they know where these what digital truths are, is basically what the west is doing. is putting a target on the back of their own troops, just like zalinski is willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of his own soldiers in a futile effort. here, the more, the lack of any kind of moral responsibility from coming from the west is astounding. yes, of course the they even don't care about it, but i would like to insist under under question if you allow me of the of the girl were of communication, controlling the formation. if you look at what happened to were all tea in france. ah, they managed to block on youtube channel. they managed to look on all the see which,

which is, was supposed to be an antenna to china. they managed to block on rumble. and the reason is, 1st, of course, continuing laying on the on the what happened in ukraine, but they're very afraid by social unrest. we're going to happen in france because of the crisis. they created himself. and if you remember doing the yellow jacket in 2018, which channel was supported by the people in the streets? it was all t. so i, it's, so it's a war not only against a russia, and though you quinn people, but it's a what again its own population and the don't want to see again or t o going out on the shelf in easy and being applauded by your, by your yellow jacket that it's up and 4 years ago. so it wasn't fussing i would, i would like to underline and be more your next point. we're going to go to hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our key. ah

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so my niece madeline speaking with we will van in the european union, the kremlin media machine, the state on russia today, and school ortiz spoke mckibbin, our video agency, roughly all band on youtube with ah, the united states and many western countries are in a title of irrationality and i basically called what the u. s. is the u. s. position visa be sanctioned as a kind of mania. they keep repeating the same actions and i think they're doing this because they want to show that they still ruined the war. but in fact, every,

especially against russia, every sanction they have imposed, has shown as on the line, how much they don't room, ah ah, well across stock were all things are considered non parallel. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah, okay, connecting survey also here in moscow with him and i, you want to make a 2nd point for anyone to go to the break or read about what, what happens in ukraine. and the point is, if you look at what the west equipment delivering by the west to ukraine is saw, you know, it's very, it's not adapted to,

to the war. so what you say to the, what they're going to, we are going to see in the, in the winter, it's only a will armada i cause we're all, no, no use. and i look at the, on the, on the videos from, from, from jeff, actually with the, i soon older j. b. it's, so it's a radio, it's a radio. it's no, no, yes, no museum yet it's a museum. it's no use. so it's exactly what you said that they sent some all the equipment to make. do you current army, still fighting against russia, even if everybody perfectly know that it won't help? and you know, let's talk about this on. even if, if it takes takes cason, what we changed friends and fuck, if for oh, although po infrastructure we are, we are going to be completely destroy. it won't send anything. and sooner or later, russia will go back, take back caisson, take the saw,

and that's all. but for the west, in my opinion, the last world target is to kill the maximum of russian soldiers. is the only a logical aim for the west because economically, as you said, it didn't work. russia is a not isolated in the world. on the contrary is a maybe one of the leader of the newer to pull our word. so the last a is to kill the maximum of foolish and saudi us on the field. you know, exactly. i agree with you. let me go to demon right now. but everything we've seen in this comes like, you know, there's been a lot of frustration for people watching this conflict. like, why is it taking so long for the russians or bog down? they have no ammunition, they have low morality. absolutely. it's just the opposite. this has been a very slow process, not to destroy infrastructure, making sure the country can recover and demur,

which really goes into another level of absurdity here. ok, so we hear from the pentagon from jo, buying chic, solomon, all the rest of these clowns here, you know, as long as it takes as long as it, whatever it takes, meaning no negotiation. so that signals to russia. well, these people don't want to talk. we go and you mentioned, and you said at the end of last year, i will tell you the exact date, december 17th, when the 2 demands, when one from russia went to the nato and to washington about russia security and for so if nobody wants to negotiate in the west, russia will unilaterally achieve its security demands in and because the west does not want to negotiate, rush will do it by itself. we've already seen what it will do since of february 24th, and it will just continue to do it. and the pain dial has only been darted turner demon. oh, yes,

this week for president. would you say that actually this a collision with west, with naval? wasn't it? it has to happen. so it's good that it's happened on our trips. i know that the. busy moment or the west would be prepared. you know, the problem with the previous wars that their west waste was that they were all stopped by the west at the. busy moment which the west so as an opportune one, you know like 2003 against iraq and they all have tragic consequences. so indeed can we manage to prevent something very bad from happening, even though what happened was also bad. but also also, i don't see carl that and go this war and now western blanche western interests, russian army, even if we lose or some soldiers,

is going to have an experience. so fine can name offs. so in the next than 15 years, until nato completely read using arsenal, it will not at that. and don't tell me that nato did not plan to pressure russia if not, but that in the next few years. otherwise, why would they need bullet? why will they need georgia daemon? you bring up such a good point and it's something that i have talked about one on one in the recent past. is it the outcome? because there's no interlocutor in the west, no responsible adults in the room to talk to certainly not zalinski. and his gang is a lot by them. it buys out to lunch, you know, and this is a family television program. so he's out to lunch. i mean, you and i have reflected on this, but he's not going to do this again. 5 years or 10 years. he wants an answer. he wants to do any good security answer. and since nobody in the west is responsible,

russia will do it all by itself. irrespective of the sanctions and all of the labeling and cancelling and all the other nonsense they do because basically what they stamps a printing press, old weapons in propaganda. zagging. yeah, exactly. and you know that the problem for the west, it more there are waiting to go to negotiate with russia. less that we, we live there will stay away from ukraine. because if you're a members of 1st or war m a fresher, in february of 2022, it was about 30 a 1000 to square kilometers. it was a. yeah. and no them are already taken. it's about under under 10000 square meters. and the next step, because in my opinion of the next strategical step for russian army, it's to take odessa. so more the which will wait less the return we were,

we were willing to get some territories. you know, the, the, the, i think if we can be kind of counter intuitive about the, the timeline you, one of my favorite questions over the last few months is who's got the clock. who's got the time rush, he's got both. okay. both the clocks and the time, because i'm in the, the way it's pursued this conflict very methodically, slowly. odessa, a cough, but this act could it be possibly january, february of next year and with the price of energy, low productivity in europe. i, i personally think the headlines are going to go to economic collapse in the west and now what is happening on the ukrainian battlefront? i would, i write to add something. for instance, russia decided to take some, a economy cor program for instance, for the planes. it's a 4 years plans, it's a foils planner to, to build his own plans with miss $21.00 was

a stupid under. so it's means that russia don't, doesn't plan to, to stop the come into sanctions, for instance, about plants. so yes. so risha is ready as are the plans that the sanctions will go on to you maybe a full 5 years in a sanctioned generational thing. i mean, you know, you know, you need like a 10 year calendar 20 year. you're not a yearly calendar for this. do you want to jump in? yeah, i know that the reason why i rush to expand that it's interest in your brain was because of these are some me sites. yeah. your brain did not have a long range. me so, so the initial idea was to push them away for all of us go to a distance. well, they will not be able to see the seat anymore. let me remind our viewers that

brilliant forces continue to bump bon yes all day. you know, will the ask for all the, the region is in the hands or it's, it's intended on some rough groups now, so it's protected by then. yes, continues to suffer. and because americans have one of these fine marks me sounds which can hit to the distance, all 3, conduct the one with a sometimes more if you will, if you use another kind of the size. yes. in order to protect the security that people there, we decided to expand that 30 a while roll explained it very precisely as well. so just let me just be mindful of your sentence is not diplomacy. sanctions is a formal war. and we have been accustomed to this boy and the reason why the west is going to lose the sanction or is because they have an old fashioned view. they are a new meat. they think that russia is still some kind of

a soviet conservative society where diplomats can get for it, made goods for checks. you know, i remember how much attention they paid to that story. they expect to be all right . all right. and so for just that than on 20 oligarchs or reach, which is not the case, which has not been the case for many years. so ok if sanctions is war and their intelligence is 2030 years out, date it. and when you have an outdated, the data, just from a point to when the sections simply because you don't, you underestimate your a, me a underestimate, i think with them also underestimate a is the, the, the strength and vitality of the european union and the strength and vitality of nato because both are both on the menu right now and it was the last to put it on the menu. ok. rush it in, force this, the west in the outcome that is positive for russia,

getting it security guarantees means the end of nature, which i would definitely applaud. and i don't think the european union will sign come out in the same form that it is right now. because it is failing, it's failing, and security is failing and prosperity, those are the 2 pillars of the european union and they've lost all go ahead. yeah. ok. yes. the federal, it does, the underestimates the russian economy. you said i remember you say when we were in st. petersburg, you said that the, the said it's only 3 percent of the of the g d p. but already 3 percent. very, very important. 3, in the, in contending frames, for instance, i recall 2 energy fertilizes it's, it's one of the main, or were sometimes our leader in a gas in oil. so you can consider that you can put sanctions and start against russia as it did again sarah 20 years ago. it's completely different,

but they believe their own lives. is the can cause you used to say there was a war start when the politician it to the list and the sub believe was they read it in the newspaper. so it's exactly what happens in the beginning of this crisis. the believe the all lies about the router originally economy, about the russian army and what we observe notes are interesting about the mobilization of ocean mobilization. there. they'll all thing oh, look at all the counter, but i know 300000 people, but at least they did it in about 21 months and no, and it's so it varies from message to the push i say, send to everybody in europe because i've been here run out of time. absolutely fascinating discussion with both of you want to think. well my guess here in moscow i think our viewers for watching us here in our t. c and exam. remember rock rolls ah,

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