with y'all a ah hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on peter level. western leads essentially promised to give a blank check to continue nato's proxy war against russia. businesses and consumers are now saying not so fast. the west believed russia would quickly collapse under the weight of sanctions. instead, it is the west, particularly europe facing collapse.

ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest here in moscow. exactly in a row. he's the founder of the center, a political strategic analysis strap hole. and we also have dmitri bob. she is a political analyst and editor, and you know me, internet media project. right? gentlemen, cross our rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. i start out with d. m a here in moscow edema we see we see these 2 different trends that they, they were kind of blurry for the 1st 8 months, but now they're getting more and more clear. we have a leaks that are still committed to this proxy war to the point of the reports of american specialists on the ground in care. we all know what that means and finland may take on the new killer option of nato. but then you have the consumer saying, you know, we can take the inflation, we were our businesses,

a proximity is going down. and just as the americans go to their pulse for the midterm elections, it's not in the top 20 issues ukraine, so we have, we have real divergence of a elite agenda and everybody else thought steamer is absolutely true. and the what is specialist on an absurd is the fact that the situation of the battle in your brain is somehow connected to american elections. i mean, isn't that absurd? thousands of people die. you know, ancient sieges had been destroyed depending on the election schedule in the united states. you know, obviously is this ukrainian counter offensive was there to this election, mid term elections are able to keep trump and trumpets out power to keep mr by the, you know, so she's in power and this is

a shortage in itself. but also just how mess you the western society has become, will remember their protests in west germany in the, in the u. k. now finland says that it may take nuclear weapons to it's 30 colon has been asking for nuclear weapons for several years. you know, consecutive forties, governments have been saying want american, you know, out there g. so they, they an average european know, or an average would be an, is not feeling any pain until there is a price on gas or until there are no jobs. people are not thinking about their long term security interests. and maybe it is a good the law for this winter retribution for all these embargo sanctions and other things is point to reach is going to hit the never to be and it was these

people not feel anything until them basically. so that's just a very said develop exactly, we've already mentioned it, you know, the, except a nickel or option. we have the, the pentagon through leaks to their favorites. and the press are talking about american specialists on the ground inspection inspections after 10 months of all of this military. and that is all we need to find out where it's going. i mean, the fact that they don't know where going is going to prove my the back, that they say they need inspectors here. and then on top of it, we go into bizarre thinking, the bizarre world of these need to lead. they're talking about him a marshall plan to reconstruct ukraine. and my question is, when you crane, are you talking about going into the, into the absurd what these people are talking about. and they want to spend somebody else's money, their taxpayers money, go ahead zavion. there of course,

and 1st it's a lie because for instance of the u. s. army just delivered the number on your car system. so i can't believe that the, the people who are going to manage the system or do korean the army. because it's, it's about 6 months, it's about one year to get to get the, the formation to, to, to use this weapon. so since the beginning in the ukraine and stuff even inside their current army, there is a not only a people for trainings or economy, but to fight with your green army. so 1st it's a lie. during that, it's a just going to inspect some seeing it. of course, there is some us sawyers on the ukrainian soul, and of course, it's a war against a nato against russia. as a perfectly said, i under ukrainian territory, that was athens and the, you know,

i like the, the comparison with the cuba crisis in a 62. why? because it ended, it was a compromise. and in my opinion, oh yeah, of course because everybody, everybody remembers, are you searching as to, as i creates the nuclear missiles or from cuba. but in the same times, the u. s. as to when i create the nuclear missile in turkey, jupiter missiles. so in my opinion, it could be a good option to find a come from is not between on moscow because gift is concerned, but your decision between moscow and washington and as you said, as long as they would have immediately when they would have some consequences on the political life inside united state france, germany. so as a we started to change the to change the politics. why? because kiff and water will stay. no,

we're on the ukraine. is it easier and easier? i know for the west, i was, it was on the us middest this morning or maybe in the new york times or in the west . we don't, i don't remember, but the say that a kid could evacuate 3000000 people. if the electricity, the power is not a blackmail. well, yes, but the question is, where, where are going to go? and in my opinion, it will be 3 additional ukrainian migrants on the european source, which is already a completely or a. there's a solution to this is comb negotiations. yeah. i know. well you guys playing that on this program you exactly is absolutely right. i want to make it very clear. the fact that dina zavy and i are talking right now is because they were a sober mines in 1962 to resolve a crisis. but demon,

let me go back to you. the only thing the, the west wants to do under the leadership of the united states. it's a supplicant. u k. they, they only have one direction and that's called escalation. and you know, what demon the russians medium escalation every single time. dim. well indeed, if we compare the song 1962022, the comparison is not the advantage of today's leads and that's what our foreign minister said. you are all set. actually, when people say in the west, the power of isn't the american. just look how many good things you can say about the united states over the past and about our corporation during the war to basically kennedy and not only a gradually lawyer, you know, the tension. also, the american missiles were taken out of turkey. secretly. people have known about

it only later, so that elite was responsible. it could control information. and now the belligerence control information. i mean, if by any chance the united states starts to withdraw troops from eastern europe, you can imagine what kind of scandal there will be in the press in the united states and the, the, you, they call it freedom over the press, freedom for their press. freedom for they. right. right. and you're absolutely right. you know, black old black me, i mean, these people never tell the full story. russia started to bomb the infrastructure or big pregnancy just after that that one of the crimean breach, after the terrorist act, you know, russia style a response. so people should have thought about it before doing that, you know, the ukrainian and they are western help us. they bring in special services and

their west campus should have given it a thought. and also you remember their celebration on the 1st day after that, against the graeme. you reach all we keep that bridge. oh, now the war is always i. and also, unfortunately, the reason for this call and the reason for their huge, huge casual just now is that the west never to the was all the russian leadership, all other portion card congress at the face value. whenever we can set, we're going to respond. the response was, i'm with you can, will, you know, put in and the russian government in the end of 2021 they said stop, you know, return to the 997. why it's getting dangers. oh, this is black man, this is not serious. additional dollars like wouldn't says, we don't want to the expansion of nato because it's dated. they just want to know that he does that. he wants to rebuild the soviet union at the same story,

was with the same story, was with all the previous wars that united states and basically made not only possible in that. and the, in this situation that you know, wards lose their meaning, the same, the same about these training centers and the american specialists in ukraine. a, they called the training center, but in fact, it was becoming something suspicious. looking like a naval base in the ukraine. right. they just gave it a different name. so these people lie and they expect their opponents to lie in the same gene this way. you know, they didn't go back in the, in the dimension the, you know, like afghanistan in iraq, you know, and libby and all that book. those countries are nice and fine before they're destroyed by the western russia is a very different case. russia knows exactly what's going on over you train every

single square centimeter of it. they know where these digital troops are, is basically what the west is doing is putting a target on the back of their own troops. just like zalinski is willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of his own soldiers in a futile effort. here, the more, the lack of any kind of moral responsibility from coming from the west is astounding. yes, of course the. they even don't care about it, but i would like to insist on the, on the question, if you will owe me of the, of the good we're of communication, controlling the formation. you should get what happened to were all t in france? are they managed to block on youtube channel? they managed to look on odyssey, which, which you were supposed to be an internship channel, the managed to block on rumble. and the reason is, 1st, of course, continuing laying on the, on the what happened in ukraine. but they're very afraid by social unrest. we're going to happen in france because of the crisis. they created himself. and if you remember doing the yellow jacket in 2018,

which channel was supported by other people in the street? it was r t. so it's, so it's a war not only against russia, and though you korean people, but it's organ, its own population, and they don't want to see again r t a going out on the, shows it easy and are being applauded by your, by your yellow jacket at his up and 4 years ago, so it wasn't fussing i would, i would like to underline and i'd be more eager unix clamoring. i go to heartbreak and after that hard break will continue our discussion on some reasoning. stay with our tea. ah oh yeah, just some of those just already with

wow. we have which are ours would make you know i'm not know, let you to you care about me if you care about to play. i wish somebody could just tell me why her hair all poetry lynching, beating poverty, why supremacy is for disgusting ambulance. the people in mississippi voted on a wire, and 65 percent of the people voted to keep the car and fly or purposes to fan. the good name of the confederates held because of these monuments that you see everywhere are not. can they not monuments to the can better go there monuments to the, to the soldiers, to the data. you know, if we're going to be offended by everything, every negative part of our history, we have to get rid of everything. oh

ah, need to come to russian state little never. i've. i'm phoning santini davis with he babbled mino keys on i need to final speaking with weaver van in the european union. the kremlin. yup, machines. the state aren't russia today and archie spoke now, given our video agency, roughly all band on youtube and pinterest and with me,

ah well matched across stock, were all things considered non parallel? this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah, okay, connecting survey also here in moscow with him and i, you want to make a 2nd point for me, which is before we went to the break or read about what, what happens in ukraine. and the point is, if you look at what the west equipment delivering by the west to ukraine is saw, you know, it's very, it's not adapted to the, to the war. so what you say to the, what they're going to we are going to see in the, in the winter, it's only a will are almost like us. well, no, no use. and i look at the, on the, on the videos from, from, from jeff, actually with the i soon older j. b. it's,

so it's a radio, it's a radio. it's no, no, yes, no new z m. yeah, it's a museum. it's no use. so it's exactly what you said that they sent some all the equipment to make. do you current army, still fighting against russia, even if everybody perfectly know that it won't help? and you know, let's talk about this on. even if, if it takes takes cason, what we changed, for instance, for kiff, for 0, although poet foster to we are, we're going to be completely destroy. it won't change anything. and sooner or later, russia will go back, take back caisson, take the saw, and that's all. but for the west, in my opinion, the last world target is to kill the maximum of russian soldiers. it's only a logical aim for the west because economically, as you said,

it didn't work. russia is a not isolated in the world. on the contrary is a maybe a one of the leader of the new army to pull our word. so the last a is to kill the maximum of foolish and saudi us on the field. you know, exactly. i agree with you. let me go to demon right now. but everything we've seen in this comes like, you know, there's been a lot of frustration for people watching this company. like, why is it taking so long for the russians or bog down? they have no ammunition, they have low morale, i am. so actually it's just the opposite. this has been a very slow process, not to destroy infrastructure, making sure the country can recover. and emer, which really goes into another level of absurdity here. ok, so we hear from the pentagon from job bind, chick, solomon, all the rest of these clowns here. you know, as long as it takes,

as long as it takes whatever it takes, meaning no negotiation, so that signals to russia. well, these people don't want to talk. we go and you mentioned you said at the end of last year, i will tell you the exact date, december 17th, when the 2 demands, when one from russia went to the nato and to washington about russia security. and for so if nobody wants to negotiate in the west, russia will unilaterally achieve its security demands. and because the west does not want to negotiate, rush will do it by itself. we've already seen what it will do since of every $24.00 and it will just continue to do it. and the pain dial is only been started to turn a demon. oh yes, this week for president. would you send out actually this a collision with west with natal, wasn't and it had to happen. so it's good that it's happened on our trips.

i know that the. busy moment when the last would be prepared, you know, the problem with the previous wars that their west waste was that they were all stopped by the west at the. busy moment which the west, so as an opportune bomb, you know, like 2003 against iraq and they all had tragic consequences. so indeed, so we managed to prevent something very bad from happening, even though what happened was also bad. but also also, i don't see how that angle this war arc and now western blanche western interests, russian army, even if we lose or some soldiers, is going to have an experience of fine can natal ops. so in the next ban of 15 years, until nato completely read use, it's arsenault. it will not at that. and don't tell me that nato did not plan

to pressure russia if not put that in the next few years. otherwise, why will they need bullet? why will they need georgia the way you bring up such a good point in something? exactly, and i have talked about one on one and in the recent past, is it the outcome? because there is no need to lock it in the west, no responsible adult in the room to talk to certainly not zalinski and his gang a bite out to lunch. you know, and this is a family television program, so he's out for lunch. i mean, you and i have reflected on this rush, he's not going to do this again 5 years or 10 years. he wants an answer, want to security answer. and since nobody in the west is responsible, russia will do it all by itself, irrespective of sanctions. and all of the labeling and cancelling and all the other nonsense they do because basically what they stamps a printing press, old weapons in propaganda, zagging. yeah,

exactly. and you know that the problem for the west, it mulder are wedging to go to negotiate with russia. less that we will, they will stay away from ukraine. because if you are members of 1st her war m a, a fresh are in the, in february of 2022, it was about 30 a 1000 to square kilometers. it was a. yeah. and no them are already taken. it's about under under 10000 square meters and the next step, because in my opinion of the next strategical step for russian army, it's to take odessa. so more the way we'll wait less the record wheeler, we're willing to get some territories. you know, the, the, the, i think if we can be kind of counter intuitive about the, the timeline you, one of my favorite questions over the last few months is, who's got the clock. who's got the time russia got both. okay. both the clocks and

the time, because i'm in the, the way it's pursued this conflict very methodically, slowly. odessa, a cough, but this act could it be possibly january, february of next year and with the price of energy, low productivity in europe. i, i personally think the headlines are going to go to economic collapse in the west and now what is happening on the ukrainian battlefront? would i write to add something? for instance, russia decided to take some, a economy corps program for instance, for the plains. it's a 4 years plans. it's a foils planner to, to build his own plans with the m. s. 21 was a stupid under. so it means that russia don't, doesn't plan to stop due to sanctions, for instance, about plants for 4 years. so risha is ready as are the plans that the sanctions

will go on to maybe a full 5 years in a sanctioned generational thing. i mean, you know, you know, you need like a 10 year calendar 20 year, not a yearly calendar for that. you want to jump in? yeah, i know that the reason why i rush to expand our interest in your brain was because of these are some me sites. yeah. you bring it long. have a long range. me so. so the initial idea was to push them away for all of us go to a distance. well, they will not be able to ship the seat anymore. let me remind our viewers that brilliant forces continue to bon yes, almost daily. you know, will the ask for all the, the region is in the hands or it's, it's invented on some rough groups now, so it's protected by then. yes,

continues to suffer. and because america support these fine mars me sounds which can hit to the distance, all 3, conduct the one with the sometimes more if you will, if you use another kind of be sense. yes. in order to protect the security of the people there, we decided to expand that their g a while explained it very precisely as well. so just let me just be mindful of your sentence is not diplomacy. sanctions is a formal war. and we have been accustomed to this war and the reason why the west is going to lose the sanction or is because they have an old fashioned view. they are a new meat. they think that russia is still some kind of a soviet conservative society were diplomats, can get for and made goods for checks. you know, i remember how much attention they paid to that story. they expect to be all right . all right. and so for just a reach, which is not the case,

which has not been the case for many years. so ok if sanctions is war and their intelligence is 2030 years out of date. and when you have an outdated, the dentist rama going to win the sections simply because you don't, you underestimate your enemy no wants to underestimate. i think with them also underestimate a is the, the strength and vitality of the european union and the strength and vitality of nato because both are both are on the menu right now. and it was the last to put it on the menu. ok, rush it in, force this, the west in the, the an outcome that is positive for russia, getting it security guarantees means the end of nature, which i would definitely applaud. and i don't think the european union will sign come out in the same form that it is right now because it is failing, it's failing, and security is failing and prosperity,

those are the 2 pillars of the european union. and they've lost all go ahead. yeah . ok, yes the for it that the underestimates the russian economy. you said i remember you say when we were in some petersburg you said that the the said it's only 3 percent of the g d p. but it's already 3 percent. it's very, very important. 3 percent in the and concerning frames. for instance, agriculture, energy fertilizes. it's a, it's one of the main or were sometimes our leader in our gas in oil. so you can consider that you can put sanctions and start a war against russia as it did again, serbia 20 years ago. it's completely different, but they believe the own live. you know, it's a can cause you used to say there was a war start when the politician it to the journalist as a sub believe was a read it in the newspaper. so it's exactly what happens in the beginning of this

crisis. the believes are all lies about the router, original economics about the russian army and what we observe notes are interesting about the mobilization of ocean mobilization there. they'll all think, oh look at all the counter. mobilize those 300000 people, but that is it, it, it in about to one month's and no, and it's so erased from message to that, that russia are sent to everybody in europe. because i have been here run out of time. absolutely fascinating discussion with both of you want to think. well, my guess here in moscow i think our viewers for watching us here in our t. c. and examine, remember, rasa rules. ah, ah, a

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