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yes, he's a young to why the a white dude. mm. a multiple legal down. what happened at the mother of manual and the church in charleston, south carolina, in the summer of 2015, was almost to her rhythm to comprehend a white gun, been stormed into a bible study. now you church members die right before god another. these people are in church, you're wearing church. what do we know about this man is and what is motivation may have been your rape, our women and taken all of our country and you have to go shortly after dylan roof was captured, investigators found a racist manifesto. he posted on line with dozens of images,

posing that confederate hair insights and with confederate flags. mm mm. now the focus of the nation's outrage shifted from the killer himself to the symbol that seemed to contain more than its borders. all the racial hatred and roofs hart or the backlash was swift. terrific shooting has re ignited a highly sensitive debate over the confederate flag. this flag has become a symbol of murder of racism and hatred. and it is clearly a symbol of this killer. the conversation we're having about the confederate flag has been about moral empathy, seeing the flag for others eyes. you know, it's a moment for society to really do a get check of our values. corporate giants like e bay target and wal mart stopped selling items bearing the confederate flag, telling me right now literally just now in the last couple of minutes. unless the last few minutes amazon, just pull the flag as well. no. even nascar,

an icon of traditional southern culture turned against the flag with an appeal to patriotism that all has got a special offer for race fans as we can trade in your confederate flag for an american lot. anti flag momentum reached a climax when president obama delivered the eulogy for mother emanuel pastor clemente pinkney moving the flag from the state. capital would not be an act of political correctness. it would not be an insult to the balin confederate sold me, sent me an acknowledgement that the cause for which they fought me to call the slavery was then 2 weeks later, the flag came down and south carolina name. this is a flag again, a lot of attention is all because of this, the ref, old banner rehab, which are ours to make. you know,

i'm not going to you care about me. if you care about this bridge. the story is simple. fixed a. do you think the confederate flag at the fed? as you can see, it's about even i wish somebody could just tell me why this sets, there are government is sanctioning the chosen symbol of a terrorist organization on our state. far. i love that in there. i love the in southern bail. i think we had the most beautiful flag we need to fight. i. my problem is the safe place to where they even want in not a time in history. and what they're gonna do is they're trying to tell us as mississippians that we should change. we're not gonna change. you know, i get the liquor a standing in line with

our with i was born and raised in the north and my irish great great grandfather, michael o'connor, was an officer in the union army. but i married a mississippian, and of course we lived here now in the main street. the neighboring town is not called main street. it's jeff davis avenue, named after jefferson davis, a mississippi plantation owner and us senator, who advocated for the expansion of slavery into the new territory. and he was elected president of the confederacy. there's another jeff davis avenue short drive

away in jefferson davis. his home and presidential library is just up the highway like many mississippi counties, our court house, or the monument to confederate soldiers. and some of our neighbors flew the stake flag and their yards. something i'd never seen any place else. so yes, in mississippi. remnants of the confederacy are everywhere. but even at the civil war relics, joe and brandon, mississippi change seem inevitable. tell me what sort of interactions are you having with folks who are interested in buying mississippi said people are buying mississippi state play more than usual. evidently, there must be a shortage on the horizon somewhere in it a shame. okay, my name is tim cupid. i'm

a member of the sons of confederate veterans. when i started doing my family research, i found that my family hold on both sides union and confederate, but if some people lane laugh, some people lane, right? well, i'll find out we want people to remember our past what our ancestors went through, and this drives that we made the day i appreciate you being here, and i hope that when you're doing your documentary that you present both sides are positive manner and, and let people make them lined up for themselves. i understood that confederate heritage, supporters like tim might be suspicious of my intentions. i am a yankee after all. i assured him and everyone else i spoke to the film that i wasn't going to choose aside. mister bate. and i wasn't here to judge anyone. i

simply wanted to understand why mississippians were so divided over state flag. whose purpose should be to unite us, me ah, ah, ah, me the sounds of confederate veterans purposes not defend, better or purposes to defend the good name of the confederate soldier. the that you take,

which i take very seriously because these monuments that you see everywhere or not can but they're not monuments to the better government. they're monuments to the, to the soldiers, to the veterans. most of the came back terribly wanted, ah, supplied, did those men or masters of some sort and there's not truth and i can't just sit there while that story gets told this. i know it's not true. of course for me. i'm fascinated with mississippi history in particular because for census in 1840 i think the 1st one, everybody here was 20 years old. everybody. there were no people anywhere. and they were coming to absolutely raleigh and. and then within 20 years of that you're fighting for your existence as a nation. ah,

that's ah, that's how we got here was these people were determined to live robin or a only which would war anus any, pardon for anything are done. flip this state flag issue never would have been brought back up if it wasn't what happened on june the 17th in toronto, south carolina. they want you to believe that that flag grew hands. delays came down that po walked in that church and you know, those people it was a human being that did that, not a flag. open

your mouth. open your mouth. oh, we keep them your mouth open, it are. does something what the concussion every flag has its history. it has its pride and dark parts. we won't talk about dark parts, you know, we can mention how slavery was brought in under the u. s. flag. there's videos of this one organization marching down. i believe it's pennsylvania avenue in washington, d. c. and they're only flying the u. s. y again. why not be offended? because if that's like, you know, if we're going to be offended by everything, every negative part of our history, we have to get rid of everything. so

if you say you are fighting for your heritage where your heritage was based on money and power in the only way you could get money and power here in the south is if you kill a decent franchise, people in slade, plain and simple, always knew what the confederate emblem made to us as an african americans. but what can you tell me what it always meant to patron lynchings, beatings, poverty, why supremacy is just the disgusting ambulance? i feel that way because i leave it.

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what is the attitude will be james curtis phone, the hops with the chain. my mother, she will say i'm rights for women. they house to down with holes, is she still held the bite marks owner laid from the doll. and she also went to jail and i was like, you know, this, my mom. why, why? i mean, she's the sweetest person. i know. why was somebody to do that to her? it was a paulding. when the news came about the shooting. mama said they don't make no thing as food went to jail and get be for human rights and civil rights and welfare. right. yeah, i better do something. and when she said, y'all better do something,

we do something. i am the director of, of lanfield mississippians coalition. i've just been going around trying to raise awareness about the importance of removing the confederate emblem from our stay flay. it's gonna be hard, but it's not in past. you just have to keep pushing and keep striving. i just thank god for grace and mercy because you need a whole lot more than 200 people. march from j. r lynch street to the state capital calling for change in the state flat. we just need a flag that will unify everyone not long after i met sharon, she stepped away from her leadership role with the flag for all mississippians initiative. due to health reasons,

it will be some time before i could talk to sharon on camera again. she found an ally and lia campbell, an anti flag activist on the mississippi gulf coast. for me as a white woman. oh, it's incumbent upon me as a, as a white mississippian, and i'm a person of privilege to use my privilege to do what i can to dismantle a system of white supremacy and symbols of white supremacy that my ancestors created. mm hm. wow. i grew up in the sound, so i have a sense of the racism that still exists here and it would be naive me or anyone else to deny that. and then li, sitting in charleston happened and i distinctly remember seeing the photo, dylan res,

posing with the confederate fire and reading his blog posts. and then watch governor nikki haley, have the courage to take that confederate emblem down from south carolina state house. ground it really made me angry that our governor and our legislators could not display the same courage. oh, sorry i had to get involved. were fighting for the soul of mississippi right now. in america. do you think it makes them feel when they everywhere lays her that flag is flying. what does that face?

and then we are better than that. mrs. city is better than that. no. mm ah, this wasn't the 1st time mississippians have wrestled over their flag in 1993, the hon. ac piece to the state to change the flag for familiar reasons. back with that lawsuit letter, the discovery that due to a legislative air in 19 o 6, mississippi did not have an official state flag in 2001 governor ronnie musgrove decided to settle the issue with a statewide referendum, asking voter to choose between 2 flags the current flag at the time which had been adopted, $1894.00 and

a new design. and now the mississippi flag is wavering. at this time. voters will decide if the confederate symbol will fall. the flag of 18941 by nearly 2 to one margin, settling the issue for the time being a flag of 18. 94 was adopted just 4 years after mississippi had convened a constitutional mention to write a new state constitution. the civil war had ended 30 years earlier. and although black mississippians made up nearly 60 percent of the states population, only one of the convention delegates was black and reconstruction was over. and white mississippians had regained political control from the majority black population to violence and intimidation. and a newly formed ku klux klan. the president of the convention made it clear that their goal was to circumvent the 15th amendment,

which prohibited the government from denying a citizen the right to vote based on race. and let's tell the truth of it 1st. the bottom of the university said we came here to exclude and other convention, delegates confirmed this notion mm. mississippi's constitution of 18. 90 included a poll tax and a literacy test that effectively prevented generations of black citizens from voting until the passage of the voting rights act. some 75 years later it was in this political climate that the flag of 1894 was born. ah, a flag draped the fire on the flags all over the street. you know, because i got the, the horizontal limbs hanging out. so i was like, wow,

that's why i grew up. so i'm a true blooded, southern mississippi, southern man. right. and, and accept it. and i are relish in it because that's who i am. that's who i, where my family has came from. my family as live in the state of mississippi before it even became a state. i'm a direct descendant of james jefferson johnson is my great, great great grandfather and the 41st mississippi infantry. this is my son's a confederate veteran certificate. what really got me just fired about doing some kind of like a better organization is because of what's going on in the country discrimination against people, discrimination against the jews with discrimination against a southern. they accuse us of all being rices, you know,

and it's a sign of a 1000000 is what the flag may. so a lot of people and that's why like k and other groups used to play the part that way off the worst is i wish my ancestors would have put a stop to it before you know, a got to the point that is today we're, anytime i say that played out a magazine, take a tape person with what is referred to as a confederate flag. graphically it however, you can separate it from all that it is stood for an a negative sense. i'd love for us to have a symbol about which people had no evidence whatsoever. we're at a moment where we can do this right and well and respectfully drawn bought. i don't like name coins. i don't want rallies where people are yelling back and forth all along the way from the way i present things. the way i design

a flag. i want everybody to have a stitch, a thread, and that new design. and i hope to be that middle ground, that landing point for folks who, you know, as time has passed and they come along, i think in all right. now we need something new. it began with a whole lot of sketching, a lot of note taking a lot of research, a flag really as a living symbol and document and piece of art that there $900.00 stars along the outer edge. we were the 20th state to join the union. the color, red symbolizes passion and blood. i chose the color white as a field because it represents elimination spirituality promise. and i thought that was an appropriate way to bring together all of these elements and all of these aspects of our history. and our story. of course, my grandfather was a us senate and i, he was one of the co authors and signers of the southern manifesto, which was

a reaction against brown vs board of education. integrating schools. and he was involved in we are the oppression of african americans in our state by way of policy. but i still love my grandfather. his personal motto was look ahead and he did, he eventually changed himself to on that issue. lauren's flag design known as the stennis flag quickly became popular and caught the attention of state representative kathy sikes. who was the 1st legislator to advocate for the stanish flag as a viable alternative to the flag of 18. 94. ah, ah, the united states and many western countries readiness title good rationality. and i basically call that what the u. s. is, you know, the u. s. position would be sanctioned as a kind of mania. they keep repeating the same actions, and i think they're doing this because they want to show that they still ruined the

world. but in fact, every, especially against russia, every sanction they have imposed has shown, has underlined how much they don't room. mm hm. now it's another, well yeah. wow. div easy while finance says, oh, yeah. or you know, it's a one slide yet. if self rational a self was i villa, ddt, good thing is the casa for his notes. done the for me at the table up i picked on the is emily up full of goody of from sheila,

the systems room. shes thoughtfully says the why fi ella? a bill come. yes, my thought was an invalid again to your youth. fortunately up my bill out about this morning after search financial aah! i met representative sykes had a rally in washington, d. c. o. t introduced his dentist flag to a gallery of mississippians who had travelled there to demand a new state flag over by lawrence. as i love is because, and the thing is, you know, we had a discuss all of us that i saw this flag and fell in love with it. and i really liked it when i found out that the design,