internet and those kinds of essential means for modern or modern communication and technologies that we, that we enjoy today around the world. and if those of those are knocked out, going to send this back to the 1900 century. so it's, it's a very serious, it would be a very serious provocation. all right, and just when you think that there's not enough going on here on earth, they take it to space miko move, former us spending on a visual. thank you so much for your time. and insight. my pleasure. thank you. and thus all for now be sure to check out our t dot com for all the latest breaking news and updates. we'll see you right back here at the top of be our ah, ah, ah

ah. hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on peter level. western leads essentially promised to give a blank check to continue nato's proxy war against russia. businesses and consumers are now saying not so fast, the west believe russia would quickly collapse under the weight of sanctions. instead, it is the west, particularly europe facing collapse. ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest here in moscow. exactly. m a row, he is the founder of the center, a political strategic analysis strap hall. and we also have dmitri bob and she is a political analyst and editor at you know me internet media project. right.

gentleman cross our rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciated, i start, i would deem it here in moscow edema. we see we see these 2 different trends that they, they were kind of blurry for the 1st 8 months, but now they're getting more and more clear. we have a leaks that are still committed to this proxy war to the point of the reports of american specialists on the ground in care. we all know what that means and finland may take on the new killer option of nato. but then you have the consumer saying, you know, we can take the inflation, we were losing our businesses. productivity is going down as the americans go to their polls for the midterm elections, it's not even the top 20 issues ukraine. so we have, we have a real divergence of a lead to agenda and everybody else thought steamer is absolutely true. and what is specialist on an absurd is the fact that the situation of the battle in your

brain is somehow connected to american elections. i mean, isn't that absurd? thousands of people die. you know, ancient sieges had been destroyed depending on the election schedule in the united states. you know, obviously is this ukrainian counter offensive was to this election, mid term elections? the aim is to keep trump and trumpets out power to keep mr by the know, so she's in power and this is a shortage in itself. but also just how mass you, the western society has become, will remember their protests in west germany in the, in the u. k. now finland says that it may take nuclear weapons to which 30 colon has been asking for nuclear weapons for several years. you know,

consecutive forties, governments have been saying want american, you know, out there g. so they, they an average european know or an average would be and is not feeling any pain until there is a price on gas or until there are no jobs. people are not thinking about their long term security interests. and maybe it is to go to law for this winter retribution for all these embargo sanctions. and other things just want to reach is going to sheet than ever if you were being was these people not feel anything until then basically. so that's just a very said develop exactly, we've already mentioned it, you know, the, except a nickel or option, we have the, the pentagon through leaks to their favorites in the press are talking about

american specialists on the ground inspection inspections after 10 months of all of this military, and that is all we need to find out where it's going. i mean, the fact that they don't know where going is going to prove my the back, that they say they need inspectors here. and then on top of it, we go into bizarre thinking, the bizarre world of these need to lead is they're talking about him a marshall plan to reconstruct ukraine. and my question is, when you crane, are you talking about going into the, into the absurd what these people are talking about. and they want to spend somebody else's money, their taxpayers money. go ahead. zavion. yeah, of course. and 1st it's a lie because for instance, the u. s. army just delivered the numbers onto aircraft system. so i can't believe that the, the people who are going to manage the system or do korean or army. because it's, it's about 6 months. it's about one year to get to get the formation to,

to, to use this weapon. so, since the beginning in the ukraine and stuff, even an insider green army, there is a, not only a people for trainings or economy, but to fight with your green army. so 1st, it's a lie during that, it's a just going to inspect some seeing it. of course, there is some us soldiers are under ukrainian soul, and of course, it's a war against a nato against russia. as a perfectly said, i under ukrainian territory, that was athens and the, you know, i like the, the comparison with the cuba crisis in a 62. why? because it ended, it was a compromise. and in my opinion, oh yeah, of course, because everybody, everybody remembers, are you searching as to what that creates? the nuclear missiles are from cuba, but in the same times,

the u. s. as to when i create the nuclear missile in turkey, jupiter missiles. so in my opinion, it could be a good option to find a come from is not between on must go because give a consent. but, but it was ition between moscow and washington. and as you said, as long as they would have immediately when they would have some consequences on the political life inside united states, france, germany. so as a we started to change the to change the politics. why? because kiff and water will stay. no, we're on the ukraine. is it easier and easier? so no, for the west i was, it was on the us miss this morning, or maybe in the new york times or in the was to june. i don't remember, but the say that a kid could evacuate 3000000 people. if the electricity, the power is not a black male. well, yes, but the question is, where,

where they're going to go? and in my opinion, it will be 3 additional ukrainian migrants on the european source, which is already a completely or a there's a solution to this is called negotiation. yes. i know. well, you guys were saying that on this program you is absolutely right. i want to make it very clear, the fact that dina savvy and i are talking right now was because they were a sober mines in 1962 to resolve a crisis. but demon, let me go back to you. the only thing the, the west wants to do under the leadership of the united states. it's a supplicant. u k b. they only have one direction and that's called escalation. and you know, what demon the russians medium escalation every single time. dim.

oh, well indeed, if we compare the lease of $1962022.00, the comparison is not the advantage of today's lease. and that's what our foreign minister said. you are all set. actually, when people say in the west, the power of his anti america, just look how many good things he had to say about the united states over the past and about corporation during the world war 2 basically can again, not only are gradually or, you know, the tension, also, the american missiles were taken out of turkey. secretly, people have known about it only later, so that elite was responsible. it could control information. and now the belligerence control from each. i mean, if by any chance the united states starts to withdraw troops from eastern europe, you can imagine what kind of scandal there will be in the press in the united states and the, the, you, they call it freedom of the press,

freedom for their press. freedom for they. right. right. and you're absolutely right. you know, black old black me, i mean, these people never tell the full story. russia started to bomb the infrastructure or big ukrainian. see, just after that, that one of the crimean breach, after the terrorist act, you know, russia style a response. so people should have thought about it before doing that, you know, the ukrainian and they are western help us. they bring in special services and their west campus should have given it a thought. and also you remember their celebration on the 1st day after that, against the graeme. you reach all we keep that bridge all. now the war is all while i and also are unfortunately the reason for this conference and the reason for their huge, huge casual just now is that the west never to the was all the russian leadership,

all other portion guard congress at the face value. whenever we can set, we're going to respond. the response was, i'm going to do it. you can't. well, you know, put in and the russian government, in the end of 2021 they said stop, you know, return to the 997. why it's getting dangers. oh, this is black man, this is not serious. additional dollars like wouldn't says, we don't want to the expansion of nato because it's dated. they just want to know that he does that. he wants to rebuild the soviet union, and the same story was with the same story, was with all the previous wars that united states and basically made not only possible in that. and the, in this situation that you know, words lose their meaning, the same, the same about the training centers and the american specialists in ukraine. a, they called the training center, but in fact,

it was becoming something suspicious. looking like a naval base in the ukraine, right? they just gave it a different name. so these people lie and they expect their opponents to lie in the same gene this way. you know, the, the minute me go back in the, in the dimension the, you know, like afghanistan in iraq, you know, in libby and all that book, those countries are nice and fine before they're destroyed by the western. russia is a very different case. russia knows exactly what's going on over you train every single square centimeter of it. they know where these, what digital troops are, is basically what the west is doing is putting a target on the back of their own troops. just like zalinski is willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of his own soldiers in a futile effort. here, the more, the lack of any kind of moral responsibility from coming from the west is astounding. yes, of course the. they even don't care about it,

but i would like to insist on the, on the question, if you allow me of the, of the, of communication controlling the formation. if you look at what happened to r t in france and they manage to block on youtube channel, they managed to look on odyssey which, which was supposed to be an antenna teacher on the managed to block on rubber. and the reason is, 1st, of course, continuing laying on the on the what happened in ukraine, but they're very afraid by social unrest. we're going to happen in france because of the crisis. they created himself. and if you remember doing the yellow jacket in 2018, which channel was supported by the people in the street. it was all t. so i, it's, so it's a war not only against russia and the euclidean people, but it's a what again its own population. and the don't want to see again, all t a going out on the chart, easy and being applauded by yellow jacket that it's up and 4 years ago. so it

wasn't fussing. i would, i would like to underline. and before you go, you explained, we're going to go to hard break and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. i'm some real news, stay with ah, ah l look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such order that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about personal intelligence at the point, obviously is too late trust rather than fear. i would like to take on various jobs with artificial intelligence. real. somebody with

a robot must protect this phone existence with a well matched across stock. were all things considered on payroll analysis? the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah okay, connecting survey also here in moscow with him and i, you want to make a 2nd point for me with that before you into the break. read about what, what happens in ukraine and to the point is if you look at what the west equipment delivering by the west to ukraine is saw, you know, it's very, it's not adapted to lou to the war. so what you say to the,

what they're going to we are going to see are in the, in the winter, it's only a will amaya i cause we're all, no, no use. and i look at the, on the, on the videos from, from, from jeff, actually with the i soon older j. b. it's, so it's a radio, it's a radio. it's no, no, yes. and is e m? yeah, it's a museum. it's no use. so it's exactly what you said that the fan, some, all the equipment to make. do you current army, still fighting against russia, even if everybody perfectly know that it won't help? and you know, let's talk about this on. even if, if it takes takes cason, what we changed friends and folk if for 0, although po in foster care, we are, we're going to be completely destroy. it won't change anything. and sooner or later, russia will go back, take back caisson,

take odessa and that's all. but for the west, in my opinion, the last world target is to kill the maximum of russian soldiers. it's only a logical aim for the west because economically, as you said, it didn't work. russia is a not isolated in the world. on the contrary is a, maybe one of the leader of the new army, people are worthy. so the last a is to kill the maximum of foolish and saudi us on the field. you know, exactly. i agree with you. let me go to demon right now. but everything we've seen in this comes like, you know, there's been a lot of frustration for people watching this conflict. like, why is it taking so long for the russians or bog down? they have no ammunition, they have low morale, i am. so actually it's just the opposite. this has been a very slow process, not to destroy infrastructure, making sure the country can recover. and emer,

which really goes into another level of absurdity here. ok, so we hear from the pentagon from job bind, chick, solomon, all the rest of these clowns here. you know, as long as it takes, as long as it takes whatever it takes, meaning no negotiation, so that signals to russia. well, these people don't want to talk and we go and you mentioned, and you said at the end of last year, i will tell you the exact date, december 17th, when the 2 demands, when one from russia went to the nato and to washington about russia. security and for so if nobody wants to negotiate in the west, russia will unilaterally achieve its security demands. and because the west does not want to negotiate, rush will do it by itself. we've already seen what it will do since of every $24.00 and it will just continue to do it. and the pain dial his only been started to turn up demon. oh yes,

this week or present we can send out actually this a collision with west with natal, wasn't and it had to happen. so it's good that it's happened on our trips. i know that the. busy moment when the last would be prepared, you know, the problem with the previous wars that their west waste was that they were all stopped by the west at the. busy moment which the west, so as an opportune bomb, you know, like 2003 against iraq and they all have tragic consequences. so indeed can we manage to prevent something very bad from happening, even though what happened was also bad. but also also, i don't see how that and go this war and now western blanche western interests, russian army, even if we lose or some soldiers,

is going to have an experience. so fine can name offs. so in the next 10 or 15 years, until nato completely read use, it's arsenault. it will not at that. and don't tell me that nato did not plan to pressure russia if not put that in the next few years. otherwise, why will they need poland? why will they need georgia the way you bring up such a good point in something? exactly, and i have talked about one on one and in the recent past, is it the outcome? because there's no interlocutor in the west, no responsible adult in the room to talk to certainly not zalinski. and his gang is written by them in binds out to lunch. you know, this is a family television program, so he's out for lunch. i mean, you and i have reflected on this, but he's not going to do this again. 5 years or 10 years. he wants an answer. i want to security answer. and since nobody in the west is responsible,

russia will do it all by itself irrespective of sanctions. and all of the labeling and cancelling and all the other nonsense they do because basically what they stamps a printing press, old weapons in propaganda. zagging. yeah, exactly. and you know that the problem for the west, it more they are waiting to go to negotiate with russia. less that we will, they will stay away from ukraine because if you are members of 1st her war, m a, a fresh are in the, in february of 2022. it was about 30 a 1000 to square kilometers. it was a. yeah. and no them are already taken. it's about under under 10000 square meters and the next step, because in my opinion of the next strategical step for russian army, it's to take odessa. so more the which will waits less the return we learn,

were willing to get some territories. you know, the, then the, i think if we can be kind of counter intuitive about the, the timeline you, one of my favorite questions over the last few months is who's got the clock. who's got the time? rush's got both. okay. both the clocks and the time, because i'm in the, the way it's pursued this conflict very methodically, slowly. odessa, a cough, but this act could it be possibly january, february of next year and with the price of energy, low productivity in europe. i, i personally think the headlines are going to go to economic collapse in the west and now what is happening on the ukrainian battlefront? would i write to add something? for instance, russia decided to take some, a economy corps program for instance, for the plains. it's a 4 year plans. it's a foils planner to, to build his own plans with the m. s. 21 was submitted under. so it means that

russia don't, doesn't plan to stop due to sanctions, for instance, about plants for years. so really is ready as are the plans that the sanctions will go on to maybe a full 5 years in a sanctions. a generational thing, i mean, you know, you know, you need like a 10 year calendar 20 year, not a yearly calendar for this. you want to jump in? yeah, i know that the reason why i rush to expand our interest in your brain was because of these are some me sites. yeah. your brain does not have a long range. me so, so the initial idea was to push them away for all of us go to a distance. well, they will not be able to keep the seat anymore. let me remind our viewers that

brilliant forces continue to bond. yes, almost daily. you know, will the ask for all the, the region is in the hands or it's, it's intended on some rough groups now, so it's protected by then. yes, continues to suffer. and because america support these fine mars me sounds which can hit to the distance, all 3, conduct the one with the sometimes more if you will, if you use another kind of be sense. yes. in order to protect the security of the people there, we decided to expand that their g a while explained it very precisely as well. so just let me just be mindful of your sentence is not diplomacy. sanctions is a formal war. and we have been accustomed to this boy and the reason why the west is going to lose the sanction or is because they have an old fashioned view. they are a new meat. they think that russia is still some kind of

a soviet conservative society were diplomats, can get for and made goods for checks. you know, i remember how much attention they paid to that story. they expect to be all right . all right. and so we're just that then all right, you got to reach which is not the case which has not been the case for many years. so ok if sanctions is war and their intelligence is 2030 years out of date. and when you have an outdated the day, just from a point to when the sections simply because you don't, you underestimate your enemy no wants to underestimate. i think with them also underestimates a is the, the strength and vitality of the european union and the strength and vitality of nato because both are both are on the menu right now. it was the last to put it on the menu. ok. rush it in, force this, the west in the, the, and outcome that is positive for russia,

getting it security guarantees means the end of nature, which i would definitely applaud. and i don't think the european union will sign come out in the same form that it is right now because it is failing, it's failing, and security is failing and prosperity, those are the 2 pillars of the european union. and they've lost all go ahead. yeah . ok, yes the for it that the underestimates the russian economy. you said i remember you say when we were in some petersburg you said that the said it's only 3 percent of the g d p. but it's already 3 percent. it's very, very important. 3 percent in the and concerning frames. for instance, agriculture, energy fertilizes. it's a, it's one of the main or were sometimes a leader in a gas in oil. so you can consider that you can put sanctions and start a war against russia as it did again, serbia 20 years ago. it's completely different, but the believe the own live,

you know, it's a can cause you used to say there was a war start when the politician it to the list and the sub believe was they read it in the newspaper. so it's exactly what happens in the beginning of this crisis. the believe the all lies about the router, russian economy, about the russian army. and what we observe, it's interesting about the mobilization ocean mobilization. they, they'll all thing oh, look at all the counter, but i know 300000 people, but at least they did it in about one month and no, and it's a very strong message to the push, i say, send to everybody in europe because i have been here, run out of time. absolutely fascinating discussion with both of you want to think. well, my guess here in moscow, i think our viewers for watching us here to see you next time. remember ross up rules. ah,

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