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a with a breaking news here on our t. the polish government does 2 civilians are killed and a missile strike on its territory near the ukrainian border. moscow denies polish media claims that it was involved saying the missile fragments do not appear to pertain to current russian armament in any way. the top nato power, the us as it can not identify whether the missile was russian and some other nato states have quickly called for implementing the alliances article 5, we're seeing a collective military response. ukrainian officials say multiple cities across the
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country have been hit by missiles targeting energy sites and leading to widespread blackouts class, while the west pushes ukraine agenda most of the world wants a peaceful solution. that's the message from russia as foreign minister as the ongoing g. 20 summit. a mosque out of the world. this is our t international. i'm rachel blevins here with the top stories of the our welcome to the program. we begin with breaking news, says the polish government says that to civilians have been killed and a missile strike on its territory near the ukrainian border. russia's defense ministry has reject it. polish media reports that said the missile could have been russia. moscow says the missile fragments do not appear to resemble any armament
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currently used by its military statements by polish media and officials about legit russian missile strike are deliberate provocation aimed at escalating the situation . the russian military has not conducted any strike on a target near the ukrainian polish border. the fragments shown by the polish media do not pertain to russian weaponry in any way. russia had reportedly been conducting strikes on multiple targets around ukraine earlier in the day. the polish village that was allegedly hit is 70 kilometers away from the nearest reported target. in the western ukrainian city of laval, there are on these are unverified images, reportedly from the scene. you can see damage vehicles in a rural area. fragments of the alleged projectile appear to be from a soviet as 300 air defense missile type, currently used by the ukranian armed forces. ringback polish military is on high
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alert with the country's leadership in contact with fellow nato members about the incident, poland nato allies in the baltic have accused russia directly attacking the block and called for an immediate reaction. your grand president, zalinski has said russia should quote, be put in its place now under nato's article 5, an attack against any member state is considered an attack against all of the member states, and therefore may lead to a collective military response. it's one of the alliance's core principles. article 5 has only been invoked once following the terrorist attacks against the us on september, 11th, 2001. what is considered an attack is decided by the member states as poland is part of the alliance. a military attack on that country could trigger direct involvement from other nato forces. however, nato's top military power, the u. s. doesn't seem to be as confident as its partners and invoking article fine
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. as the pentagon has admitted, washington can not confirm whether the missiles were russian. well, i think we want to deal with facts. and so again, we've seen the press reports. and as i mentioned before, i walked in here no information to corroborate these reports at this time. but again, we're taking them seriously and we're looking into them. and so i think it's incumbent on, on all of us to get the facts before we start speculating or jumping to conclusions . and then we'll go from there. for more on the cross live now to archie correspondent, caleb mop. and now kayla, what do we know? so far about this incident, while other nato countries seem to be pressing for some kind of escalation, we are hearing a very measured response from washington. we heard 1st from the pentagon and then from the state department from the state department, we heard quote,
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it is important for us to determine whether the missile crash in poland and poland with an accident or a deliberate act. the state department also says the us does not speak to escalate the situation and is working with. busy and, and nato, to collect more information, taking time to understand what has happened. now, we've heard similar statements from the white house now, joe biden is currently, he is currently in bali for the g 20. and from what we understand from what the white house press pool has been brief done, he apparently has been briefed on the situation. and furthermore, he intends to meet with the and speak, at least on the phone to the polish leader. he will be consulting poll is president shortly about the situation. there will be, there will be a conversation between biden and the polish has stayed at this point. you know, we've heard from the nato chief himself. all nato members are working together to
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establish facts and determine what should happen here. now you spoke about article 5 of the nato charter, but something is maybe a situation calling for article for which is considered the starting point. situation where there is consultation over military matters between country. so we have not heard a very clear answer from the united states. we understand biden will be speaking with the polish head of state from where he is currently in bali. we have the paragon in the us state department thing. they're trying to figure out more information. we understand that the state department is saying they want to determine if this was a deliberate attack. so we're waiting to see what is happening. it seems like you're not hearing a, a very startled or, or dramatic response from washington. they are saying that they want to take the time to get the facts about what has actually happened. that seems to be the position we're getting from the white house, from the state department, from the pentagon,
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and from joe biden and staff in bali. so it appears washington is saying, let's get the facts 1st. that seems to be the methods they're putting out at this time are to correspond to caleb mop and thank you for that report. to go further in depth on this. let's cross a live now to former pentagon security policy analysts, michael maloof. michael, it's good to have you on the program today. now, what is your impression of this whole situation? given all of the statements that we've heard so far? it sounds like it was debris that fell. we don't even know that it was an entire missile that landed in poland or whether it was debris from some other activity within ukraine that has not been ascertained. the, the can, the parts can be analyzed, but it's going to take time. the question is, who will believe, who's in the analysts of the components of the, of the,
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of the parts that were, that were found. also, you gotta keep in mind that the ukraine uses a lot of a lot of the weaponry that is russian. so it's this just to start pointing fingers without any analysis at all. they're responsible. it's clearly not an article 5 episode that really requires intent. and i think that this is what, what is going to be the overriding issue here was intent. there was no intent by russia to attack poland. and also it went to a far farmland area, the components, whatever they were, whether it was a whole missile or just fragments. so we just, we just don't have all the facts as you, as kayla pointed out. so we a, an article for is probably going to be something where the science do get together
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. i don't believe that any of the members, well, you will not get unanimity among all the members. for an article, you will probably at least get an article for to get the fax and get briefed. and that's important. that's fine. and i think too, it should be a, an opportunity for the members of nato to insist with both sides. don't hold your skirmishes. so close to the borders. very simple. and you see the effect, as you pointed out, the close, the skirmish was 7070 clicks away and that's a long that's a long way for a piece of scrap to, to, to travel. and i think that this is something that needs to be taken into consideration as well as analysis of the couple of the components themselves. right
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. and you certainly mentioned the need for all of those just investigations, but also the need for further analysis. and as we've seen so far, the media has really taken this and they have capitalized on this claim that it was called, unquote, russian missiles. and of course, that was citing these anonymous us officials. so what do you make of that reaction? and at the end of the day, who is benefiting from something like this was it's meant and designed to to make ukraine. ready look like the victim and, and the poland like the victim. and it could have been either side, in an inadvertent episode that they created this condition. it's very sad that people lost their lives over us, but it was not deliberate was not intentional. i think it, it's something that we, that needs to be taken into, into account by, by both belligerents to,
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to move away from the borders to avoid this very same problem. but it's clear that clearly there was no intent showing in what happened here. and i and the, the allies need to lead to put everything under close scrutiny. and to be very, very careful. i know the united states, the pentagon, i heard kirby a little little earlier who's now the national security spokesman. he, he cautioned very, very carefully. he says, whatever the united states wants to do, that's what nader was probably going to do. so the burden is on the united states to be very, very cautious. this is a, this is a monumental moment. but at the same time, it's very clear from the circumstances that i see that this was a very terrible accident, and that it should be looked at, examined and learned,
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and lessons learned from it. now you mentioned the response from the united states there. what do you make of the fact that those initial articles were citing these quote, unquote us officials. but then the pentagon is immediately coming out and saying they can not confirm that these were russian missiles. and at the same time, you have russia coming out and saying that these are not even armaments that they use currently. what do you make of the fact that the u. s. has shown some restraint there? well, i think it's important in there on the record, in saying that they were not off the record. these off the record so called government spokesman, could get us engaged in a war and race hysteria. it already has got the, the corporate media all fired up, claiming that it's all the components were rushed. russian. we don't know that we have no idea what, what they are and what they're to. it could be some piece of equipment from something that the ukrainian got from the west, who knows,
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who knows. we have no idea. right. and now when it comes to the members of nato, who have taken that, that you call for article 5, which is a very serious decision. and as you mentioned there is that need for intent there. what do you make of those calls so soon before we've even had a chance to see a thorough investigation carried out here. reminds me a ready fire aim. we gotta be very careful because the next step in this is something that could involve a world war. and that's what we are trying to avoid at all costs. this thing could easily mushroom. this is a where we're at a very recent important crossroads. and we've got to tread very, very carefully on this. and this should go before the you in the un should appoint examiners of the equipment, ensure that are that the debris rather to ensure some objectivity so that both
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sides can accept certain conclusions. and that's what right now you don't have either side of trusting the other and their so called experts. so we really don't know. the only thing we do know is that some debris that fell into a foreign field was not an intent to aim at military targets. whereas the military target, so this, this is hysteria on steroids. right. and certainly there are a lot of questions there and we will continue to follow the story as it continues to unravel. michael maloof, a former senior security policy analyst in the pentagon. thank you so much for your time and insight. thank you. all. now, all of this comes as ukrainian cities remain without electricity after russia has reportedly conducted about $85.00 strikes on ukrainian infrastructure. that's according to authorities in kiev. our t correspondent, mariah garcia,
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has more details about the blackouts affecting the country. ukrainian government has described the situation with electricity as desperate even bordering on catastrophic into regions in ukraine have been plunged into blackouts. outages of being observed, observed all over the country lowball network operators limiting services in the bid to keep others rubbing, such as basic phone calls in care of half the cities said to be with our power in oil, this is, this is as a result of a massive a volley of cruise missiles and other strokes. of course, ukraine, little by the russian military. the euclidian side with said the claim that $85.00 various shrikes, most of them cruise missiles, were launched at various critical infrastructures such. but you claim claims that
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70 of those missiles what was shot down. these should be of course taken with a grain of salt. all of this information goes through military censorship. across the border in the russian city of belgrade, the city of shed, backing up, has been showered by ukraine. that's according to the local governor who says that at least 2 people have been killed and 3 others wound at moscow has not yet commented on any of these latest developments. russia has previously said that it targets ukrainian military and energy sites in order to degrade the country's armed forces. overshadowed by growing tensions, the g 20 summit opened in indonesia on tuesday. the world is watching to see whether leaders can agree on a closing joint statement as divisions deepen over the conflict in ukraine. ah,
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most of the world has and not cited with the west on the ukraine conflict. that's the message from the russian foreign minister leading moscow's delegation at the g . 20 summit in bali ortiz. maria phenomena is there with more well, many expected this year is d. 20 to be tough for russia ahead of the global gather in here in indonesia is bali longed and for example, sad that the venue could be used to confront moscow and call out putting also we expected to see some extra moves towards even deeper isolation. both political and economic of moscow that was the german tense was appeal again before this summit officially started on the u. s. also had plans to turn this event into an anti russian platform. it's picking up the press conference that he gave at the end of the 1st day of the 20 here, a foreign minister to live rog, sad that far from everybody's ready to support this rhetoric ought to be
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a bushing for a story. and the answer is very simple, no one except the west and its close of satellites joined the anti rushes sanctions . it is impossible not to touch on this topic because the west makes a priority to fro the ukrainian situation into any discussion. for 3rd, well, countries a calling for a peaceful settlement for agreements the know perfectly well with this process is handed by ukraine, which is legally bomb negotiations with russia. and i have to say, we're heard a lot here proving that the indonesian president, who is the cost of the g 20 summit, has asked the western leaders to tone down their rhetoric against russia. well, china said that russia too important to be excluded from global formats. for years, we support russia and it's where the role in the g 20 summit russia has strong influence in various spheres of cooperation of the world's community. no one dares to deprive russia of its true right to participate in international multilateral
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negotiations. it seems that the razor division within the west itself, we more and more often hear words such as peace and negotiations from different western politicians and officials. the view now seems to run out of sanctions imposed on russia. i had chance to ask for minister la road whether we actually can take this as an official shaved. and if so, what could we expect? let's take a listen. jervey to show up. i told you, you know, the know what's going on in someone else's mind. short periods of mutual understanding with the european union evaporate quickly. just today i had a brief conversation with president micron, reaffirmed his intention to maintain contact with latimer potent or to find some kind of agreement and resolve the whole situation. as he put his voice, i told him once again, all the problems are on the ukrainian side, which categorically refuses any negotiations and put forward obviously unrealistic conditions such are inadequate in this situation with the man intrigue of this
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year's to 20 was and still remains whether hates member is, will be at all able to come to a consensus over the final declaration as the group which brings together 19 of the world's major economists philosophy you is torn apart by internal divisions over how to approach russia, ukraine conflict. the document used to be signed on wednesday instead of a lover of russia's foreign minister is sad, but some western countries wanted this document to be politicized. and they wanted to include condemnation of russia's special military operation in ukraine on behalf of the entire group. that would mean russia included in that as absurd, of course was india, china. saudi arabian brazil refused to move and they refused to accept this condemnation. so now we have to wait for the end of the summit here to see what the final edition of the declaration will look like. as
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washington steps up, its efforts to persuade more countries to act against russia, key american partner, the way he has refused to take sides. according to the arab countries, presidential adviser, the u. a. he has no interest in choosing sides between major powers. indeed, that is the central principle that we will not under any circumstances, sacrifice our sovereignty. our darby is an important partner of washington in the gulf region, with 5000 american troops now stationed in the emeralds. however, several us democratic congressman have called for those soldiers to be pulled out from the e. that's after the opec plus group, which includes the merits agreed to splashes oil output, which washington has spoken out against. now this comes just days after the washington post published an article, siding classified us intelligence documents, claiming that although davi has been meddling in american politics and accusing the
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arab country of activities resembling espionage the u. a. he denies the accusations and says its influence in the us is a product of decades of cooperation and diplomacy. international studies expert new rod hush enjoy says that the american allegations are an attempt to hit back at the u. e for its foreign policy stance. this was the time when just before this of a month ago, president biden tried to number one, ask for opec, especially the saudis, to cut down oil production, receive back to you to fuse. second, there was a sabotage of the, of a pipeline and the saudis, and on the oh pick all should be very, i suppose that they could be next. and before that, the gulf cooperation council also came out in favor of neutrality and opposing sanctions. so it seems to me that the us did hit back on the
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u a by saying that they were intervening after they had to rush earlier that they were into reading and then you know, the no provocation sought and lead to something bigger. so i think another will also say that look of v for, for working with all sides and we know no longer kind of satellite states to the us. we don't want to be the top us defense officials suggest ukraine would be better narrowing as goals and cementing recent military gains at the bargaining table with moscow. that however hasn't stopped nato secretary general from insisting that ukraine should continue fighting ukraine us. they said they're ready to negotiate, but also of course, no, the only way to achieve on the acceptable outcome for them is still to have the strength on the battlefield. so what we should do is to support ukraine,
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that to strengthen their hand. i'd like to know who made young stilton berg, the ultimate voice of authority on military conflict. what's his actual battlefield experience? the guy served his norwegian, mandatory military service at an infantry training school. his background is in journalism and politics. he's no general more of an armchair generally rose through the ranks of the 1st battalion of desk jockeys to head up the nato bureaucracy. so who exactly is still timbered? speaking for here, which actual military experts have giving us a name so we can assess and decide for ourselves if they're credible or is he just speaking for other bureaucrats and politicians like himself because his opinion is absolutely in contradiction with the view of general mark, milling that chairman of the u. s. joint chiefs of staff who said recently in the western press that it's time to sit down and talk. milly also said quote,
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we seen the ukranian military fight the russian military to a standstill. now what the future holds is not known with any degree of certainty, but we think there are some possibilities here for some diplomatic solutions. retired us army colonel douglas mcgregor, who was the top planner for general wesley clark, when he was nato commander. and who has actually seen battle in iraq and elsewhere, unlike stoughton berg, who may or may not have gone to war with a photocopier and ended up with a paper. chi is also saying that negotiation is the best off ramp ukrainians are in bad shape. they're not prepared for what's coming. the russian so now repeatedly at night demonstrated their ability to target precisely energy, fuel, transportation, and so forth. he knows that the ukrainians are running out of those things. it won't be long before they run out of food. it won't be long before they're freezing
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. it's time to negotiate. but unlike pentagon officials, the american national security bureaucracy seems to be dominated by those grasping at any excuse, like the recent russian withdraw in kershawn to keep the action going on the battlefield. it's the pentagon officials who are focusing more on taking into account all of the lives lost amid the intense fighting her song. and who see it not as a victory, but instead as a potentially bad sign of more deadly fighting to come. why not start talking about peace talks before you throw another 100000 lives into the abyss. over here in europe, we keep hearing the matter from politicians that ukraine should decide if and when it wants peace. british defense, mr. ben wallace apparently wants the west to continue to enable heaves efforts to fight russia down to the last ukrainian until zalinski decides. otherwise, we won't ukraine to be able to discuss or resolve this issue from a position of strength, not
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a position of weakness. and that is the current direction of trouble in i was going to be absolutely thrilled to hear that arms industry has spent over a $100000000.00 on lobbying this year to date. but these faceless war profiteers and their lobbyists aren't accountable to voters or to anyone except maybe their shareholders. just like no one elected yen stilton berg or anyone else involved in these bureaucracies who are adamant in their refusal to take a chance on peace. it really does seem like the less skin they have in the game, the more radical they are in their position against negotiations and in favor of continuing on the battlefield. a series of explosions have erupted and the turkish city of s. deadbolt just 3 days after a terrorist bomb that killed at least 6 people and wounded more than 80 others. there are still no official information about casualties from the vehicle explosions on tuesday. local media reports say that firefighters have contain the
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blaze, will keep you updated with any new development on the stories. the as the world cup football tournament prepares the kick off on sunday and guitar, the us national team has redesigned its logo to incorporate a flag symbolizing gay pride. homosexuality is illegal in guitar and the country has drawn scorn from european lawmakers and human rights organizations for alleged mis treatment of its g b t community. that's what guitars, labor minister, to claim that western media is conducting a smear campaign on his country thing. politicizing sport is unacceptable, and we do not want to close the door to constructive criticism, not at all. however, there should not be any politicizing and misinformation. the whole western political and media establishment have launched
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a campaign against casa in the run up to the world cup, despite the fact that culture is actually a key western ally. and i, as a muslim and the editor of most of the website, i kind of find it really insulting. i think when you go to someone's country, you respect laws, you respect the culture, even if you don't like it, you respect to you by the law. but what's not, western media is encouraging for us to do, particularly when the cuts cuts, it is break, cuts re law. so cutter is a place where homosexuality is bam, it's legal. and what we've seen over the last year or so it's, you know, politics needs to be kept out of school, basically because it's in russia expand. we've seen all this, you know, pro ukraine propaganda with the world's most famous sportsman, being used as a kind of propaganda device. we've seen, you know, palestinians or arabs find and, and band for kind of waiting palestinian flags and stadiums. i think the way ford is literally key politics asked for, we cannot agree, there are no universal human values. we can't agree. so that's respect to each
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