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ah hello and welcome to cross out were all things are considered i'm peter lavelle for some reason a number of so called european intellectuals and politicians maintain the e. you represents the highest level of human development. we are told europe is a garden and the rest of us lived in the jungle. rhetoric aside, europe is in serious trouble, hardly a model for the rest of the world. in fact, europe is declining into irrelevance. ah, crossing europe's decline. i'm joined by my guest, john laughlin in paris. he is a university lecture in history and political philosophy in munich. we have brow niemeyer. he is the chairman of the council for constitution and sovereignty. and in providence we have vladimir goldstein. he is the chair of the department of

slavic studies at brown university car at gentleman cross sack rolls and the fact that means you can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate, john, let me go to you 1st. you've been on this program probably for since it's inception, i know you're a straight talker. you don't mean to words. i'm not going to means my words with my question. does europe within the context of the e u when it's current political elite have a death wish? oh, that's a good question. i think in some ways, yes, i mean obviously what you're referring to in your question is the extraordinary way in which european leaders have taken orders from the americans. and it's very important to understand that they did take orders from the americans. i'm particularly of course, thinking of the closure of the not stream to pipeline. i'm not talking about the sabotage at this point. i'm talking about the closure back in february. or it, what's remarkable is the way they take orders, and yet they are the ones of course, who suffer from these orders. i mean, we've seen this now for, for months since the ukraine war started, or the americans in a way,

one the war on day one. because the not stream to gas pipeline was closed down. and or once it was closed down again, leaving aside the question of the later sabotaged. it was obviously always going to be very difficult for it to be opened up again. so indeed, one wonders whether they have a death wish because they doing things all their order to do stuff by other people which are not in their own interests. and i have to say that the death, which i think in my view, are manifest itself most obviously in green policy, so called green policy, which of course involves a negative growth, negative economic growth. a reduction in economic activity. obviously a reduction in energy consumption reduction in a travel and all kinds of all the sort of other things that we've got used to in recent decades. and increasingly what we see, for example, very recently in the last day or so in france and in finland and in other countries

. now the idea of a cabin or permits which will track your carbon emissions. you know, every time you go and buy a pint of milk, you will la, you know, you'll be told how much carbon that costs and the logical consequence of course, of this i in these kinds of ideas even if they're presented as voluntary at 1st, is rationing and socialism central control and what was exactly where the soviet union was right up until 2 years ago. and that itself, if you like that save it, experience was itself the kind of death wish. because in the name of ideology, marcia and the soviet union and the other countries associated with it, pulled themselves further and further down until, as we all know, they were living in pretty miserable material conditions. and i'm afraid i think europe is on that same predictor. and let me tell you not in your head is john was answering my question here. and you know, obviously the garden reference i made has to do with joseph burrell. and his

ridiculous blogs. the 1st one and then once explaining why the 1st one made sense and then he compound it is a dilemma by continuing to talk about a garden. well, if we want to stay with the garden, the garden was real pretty because it ad cheap energy didn't. and i mean it's really kind of simple. ok, i, you know, and john visual jumped ahead of me. i wanted to talk about the be the bolshevik mindset here, but you know, more or less same question to you. i mean, everything that is being done in the name of ukraine and it's democracy in its borders and all that is impoverishing europe. and what i don't understand, i can understand the u. s. wanting to push out its competitors in europe. okay, that's fine. but if europe becomes the industrialized and poor, then what kind of market do will it be for the americans? the export to not much you don't, you don't want to ex, what you can export to poor people cuz they don't have any money. vladimir. yeah, i would say that, you know,

what we have been observing in recent years. europe was doing very well precisely with the new and other research and russia that is, you know, they had cheap energy. they managed to balance and let's face it, it was a pretty successful balance between certain kind of, you know, kind of social practices. they provide good medicine, they provide sort of, you know, social protections. i would kept those practices for producing good product and selling them all the world. so the model was working and it's on this, the made it americans and other companies. it's kind of nervous. so they decided to throw a monkey wrench, and this monkey range, you know, in the form of ukraine worked very, very successfully. they somehow managed to kind of split the europe and split up by split in. i mean, you know, this very broad american leaders in the lead or somehow going to believe that america knows best and common people who have to pay a lot of money for the broad us will have to compete in the,

in the market square of for the job so that this is monkey range is actually very working very well for united states, but europe is just kind of divided and they don't wanna actually face reality as a good, an emblem of thousands of americans are doing that. you remember the very beginning that of ukrainian crisis, when newland ends up in a key of and discusses with american ambassador the new leaders in key to which key ask the questions and what they, you know, your opinions will think about our going to mail it to friends would you know, people and she answered in the root word will basically, who cares about europeans with. but this is the, it, did you. and somehow it does a sink to repeat that this is the american who cares. if you guys, you know that by expensive stuff from us, you are not going to be got in the him, or if he's honest burrell, he should have said that. yeah, we're not it any more because of america, not because of his kind of supreme understanding of how your,

your functions. you know, ralph, you know, they, you know, if we look at germany, germany is, you know, it will in, in the, in, in the, in the world. germany makes nice stuff. nice cars, nice pens, nice industrial stuff. and now that seems to be fading away. i mean, i mean to someone to point out of my program bakeries that survived the 2nd world war in berlin are going out of business. now. i mean, that is it amazing comment here, and it's all self inflicted. the german political leaders nods. it said in does what washington says, you know, they, this is a, europe is, has a toxic, a dependency in russia. know, it has a toxic relationship with the united states. ralph and munich. yes, i fully agree with you, and i must say it is certainly i'm sure that germany is the most of the vassals states that mister. guten said, were there in europe,

and you saw 2 at the beginning of the year. and chancellor charles had been in the white house, and mister biden sat to the question, what about more stream to mister chancellor? the chancellor didn't answer that question of the reporter, but it was mister biden, who sent out we have base to stop it. and that's what we have seen now i've been active with a garage road at a former chancellor of germany to pursue the german government and taking lot stream to our gas. and mr. miller at confirm to me also mr. pess cough at confirm to me in september that they yes would be willing to give us gas through north spring to if, if the sanctions of course and the sanctions are clearly our directors against our south. we shot ourselves into our own foot. if you look at the statement from our recent days now from the international energy agency, i. e, a that said that 10000000 tons of oil are under sanctions from russia

to, to western europe. that is an enormous, it's 2 thirds of the oil imports that we don't get any more. that is rising inflation. that is making life more expensive for everyone to tease that cost by products and so on. so the german industry is suffering worse. now when i came to the chancellor's office, i presented that offer from mr. miller from cas prom. and i said to him that either he has to sign it or somebody else has to sign it, but then he has to re sign because we need the gas. we needed for the drum and industries for the assamese and for to populate yes meant route. but it, but it isn't the, you know, the green future doesn't that trump everything, john? it's really amazing how ukraine and the green agenda have collided together. live at it, attacks a godsend for, for washington. because a you that we are killing 2 birds with one stone. go ahead john. yes, that's absolutely true. but don't forget, we had cobra for 2 years. that's right. and that also conjugated very easily with

the green agenda. in fact, oh, my center thing is a good pretext for the green agenda. the great reset, the famous great reset of june 2020 excel schwab's great reset, was written of course of be in the initial shock of the 1st lockdown. and he and all his other diverse group, he said that this was a great moment to to reset the world economy. and when you read the book, you can see what he's really talking about is, is the green agenda, is what i said in my 1st answer. it so, you know, reduce the economic growth greater centralized control and so on. and now, more than 2 years later, we have, for example, in the united kingdom. i mean that, that's just one example because it's even more true what i'm about to say of germany. and france and other countries, but for instance, if you take the united kingdom, which is, you know, has, everybody knows, has had several prime ministers since since wednesday, the latest one,

the current one said only last year in glasgow. we have to rewire the world financial system to aim from that 0 to achieve that 0. we why the world financial system, what that means is cooking the books together with the big accountancy firms because he and pow schwab and the welding firm said they've got the big accountancy firms, the big for international account. see firms on board? it means cooking, the books integrating things like carbon emissions and so on into company balance sheets. literally rigging the accounts in order to meet this net 0 target. and, and he said that in the 2021 long before the war and ukraine. but yes, of course, now that you're no longer has hydrocarbons from russia, it's obviously going to have reduce its consumption because everybody knows that the alternative sources of gas and other hydrocarbons do not exist. there isn't enough, nick, by national, get natural gas. and we certainly don't have the way the means to achieve john john

. i have to jump in here. i have to jump in and we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on europe's declined state with rti. ah ah the me yeah, watch. and i was told if i give you the ball and the shadow shorter one phenomenon from this day last year and what would that take georgia session. the profile is national shylie your get when you bought, when you hit the ground up,

i mean the latest one, most of the most of the limitation of i unit 73. 1 was a unique organization in the history of the world. what they were trying to do was to simply do nothing short and build the most powerful and most deadly biological weapons program that the world had ever known. real to production. but it will show enough to build on it. so new look at the moment tomorrow. there's

no more, no new and i got the sale. i wonder, i wish i got julie who didn't know i had to put all of this code and all you us. oh boy. little to do you want to on this, she might new on a on all, i isn't more similar gateway and i don't know how to take your bus. i welcome back to cross sac. were all things are considered. i'm peter belgium and you were discussing, europe's decline. the

okay, let's go back to vladimir, vladimir your year in the us. and this is a week after the mid term elections. and the final pitch, the democrats liberals made is that democracy is on the ballot. ok. trying to scare everybody. ok, well the bout the ballot is democracy, but that's beyond the point here. and then we have the case of the crusade to save ukraine is the name of democracy, which there is no democracy there. but my point is here is that everything we've talked about on this program as far, it's never been on the ballot. nobody ever gets provoked with his death beer. and that is really frustrating. they all do everything in the name of democracy, but democracy is what they fear most because no one would built for this bladder. mere. yeah, i would let you know grades even though they steal over american propaganda. damaged moralists, hijacked the hopes, aspiration of

a lot of progressive kind of educated people. they all want to know, green plan and democracy. they all want sort of, you know, you know, good, good things. and, you know, democrats and liberals and greens in germany, they pretend to promise it. but basically it's a trojan horse that you know, they promise it. but underneath it, what we, what we see is, as the most kind of patient, greed, exploitation lies and so on. for me was very good example and in germany, ok, they don't want to depend on russian guess. and then when they find themselves travel, why don't we bring cold? so like how grieved if you think about it, how this progressive group, which you know, what wants to improve the planet breen, a call a bring in a franken. what are they going to buy the stuff from america? we just basically pollutes a whole states here. so, so this is, this is the idea,

but i think it's a skill. but as of you know, there's an average you're being so dictated. they want to do the right thing, but they're convinced that they are politicians, that the right thing is to follow this a very obscure, very democratic. i agree with you, but in democratic american agenda, which basically jones blended into concentration camp rather than the green planet . that's what we're observing, but you know that if people are convinced or they are marching to a concentration blend but that, but then thinking they mentioning that they've gone into some kind of garden of democracy. you know, you know, ralph, i've been to germany many times in my life. and one of the things i like about germany will be very simple. the place works ok. it works well. i like it. ok, you didn't feel comfortable there. all right? but you are, we are most germans willing to live with less or most germans willing to be poor for the environment. i mean, again, this has never been tested at the ballot box. ralph?

yeah, well you're absolutely right. no one is willing to sacrifice the standard of living and we see that in the refugee crisis in 2015 that suddenly people become very political, although they may not go and vote. but it's never put to a voting no the same with the cultural revolution that we have since since cove it since the pandemic. we undergo agenda arisen energy b t q is meant we undergo the green washing of our economy and it doesn't work and it doesn't resonate with people people. i extremely upset now and they are marching in the streets every week to protest against that. they know that voting doesn't help them, and it's a bit likened to us than you say. do you have hung pol humans, you know, here the debate is also hounded. call humans and many aspects. and the fine tuning of the economy doesn't help us any more. we need some more radical steps now to protect our standard of living,

to protect democracy and growth. and that is the problem we have most at the moment . we see a decline in our production already and productivity as well. and received us due to the high energy costs. so people are not willing to take it because our systems won't function anymore. we expect blackouts very soon, although the gas storage is our full. but the gas is already being sold to as well . so like around ralph, i'm sorry that i can interactively if i can interrupt here. so let me really clear here. europe is one of the most a wealthy and modern places on the planet and it's going to experience blackouts. okay, just take that on board. john. same thing, a brown outs go happening possibly in france here. um, is it all rushes fault is that would be people in paris, say, though those damn rou, skis, or do they really believe this? because the u. k. prime minister announced a few days ago, the country is going into recession and it's russia's fault. it does, is it?

is that something that people believe go ahead john paris? while i suspect the answer is probably yes, i mean, not every one of course, but i, my, my feeling is that it's quite possible that there is a fairly large measure of acceptance of that view. which of course, i don't chat about, you know, to read. firstly, the propaganda is absolutely intense. yep. and secondly, you know, what is in store for us? is it so terrifying that it's really better? it's better actually feel state of mind not to believe it. you know, human kind can bet too much reality as ts eliot said the blackouts in a way i would say are almost secondary and important because you know, ok the lifecycle for a few hours. obviously that's pretty primitive way of carrying on. but what samo serious is, of course, the long term, the industrialization which this will call which the rising energy prices will

cause, i mean, shortages of one problem, but rising cost, in the sense, a more important one. and the industrialization has started. so for example, b. s f, the largest chemical producer in the world. the company that everybody has heard of has announced that it is permanently closing most of its european output instead relocating to asia. so this is a major development. but there are many other developments from the level of the because that you just mentioned peter. and you'll want to be really a question to these gigantic or industrial multi nationals like b s. s. and once they've closed, once those companies have closed. you know, the factory and leaks are from the wherever and decided to, or make things in asia or even in america. because it's very important to perhaps i should say this so that nobody is under any illusion. the high energy prices are in europe alone. they're not in asia and they are not in the united states. so the

competitiveness of the economy of the european economy of the continent of europe is absolutely terrifying. in comparison with the competitiveness of the united states and asia, which have far lower energy costs for a variety of re, well john di, i tend to think that's no coincidence. don't you think? i mean, seriously. ok, i mean, it's easy to always to blame someone else or, but, you know, let me go to vladimir here. is it the room i asked the question or blame russia? russia is not sanctioning any one russia is being sanctioned. that's why this is happening. okay. it's the west in its decision making, stupidly i would say, i don't think they thought it out. certainly the russians have because russia is coming out of mild recession and inflation going down. it's not happening in europe . vladimir. yeah, i think unfortunately we live in this kind of unbelievable of short termism, which in our united states this is, this is way to become american thinking is imposing all over the world. let just go

through history. and so to moment ok, there was like a 911 attack andre center, and then it has gotten, they had, once we beat the hell out of such, saddam everything will be fine. so they start the war, destroy one country. tell everyone. oh yeah, this is one evil. why do morning? state one. ok. not that is really improved. ok now is could office well let's, let's, let's finish. they leave it. now let's do something with here. so this idea of like a designated evil guy, be, you know, somebody in north korea or in the russia and was, are know them. everything will be fine with, based on the war, you know, the history and falls. we know like, you know, where the united century england was fighting with russia also missing the german rice and so on. so there's a whole complicated issue in this naive hope that we designate russia is an archery

alone. once we're sort of do all our friends, do something with the country, everything will be fine. this is this never walked in there will. yeah, i mean whether they is, if they never want to blame neoliberalism, ok, because that's that we get to close. that gets too close to home. ok, because neo liberalism has failed, but it's failed for the vast majority people in the west in north america, in europe as well. but no one can admit that because the people that have made so much from it our will maintain it. ok through these ridiculous elections that we have to go through. and i agree bout doesn't really mean that much anymore. ralph here, what's going to happen to germany? because germany's pride is its productivity. ok, it's genius. it's ability to create things that the world wants when people don't want german goods, then what is germany? ralph? yeah, well, 2 points here. first of all, we do not blame rush of witnessing, but the ordinary citizens, if we even say that an opinion false,

that the mainstream may just publishing 40 percent say they follow more to russian propaganda kind of. that's what they did upset here about. and secondly, they say 80 percent of germans, they blamed the americans for the wrong economic decisions that they impose on us. so i compared with the time after world war 2 bird was at stake, but we either would be under morgan top plan, it would leave germany. she's right, just dia, dust relies or, and marshall plan that we finally got thanks to the americans. so we could rebuild our economy after the 2nd world war, but now we feel we are under morgantown. recham again. so we are fearing that we lose everything will be a lot, plenty the raffle for we actually call for a transatlantic divorce in friendship, of course, with the american smile. i'm, i'm, i'm sorry, rouzan memory. if you're many really wants to be serious, you can do one thing. it will shake up,

everything is leave nato. what it would nato be without american bases in germany? ok. i mean it, the that were the 0. as the result, we resolve here and then let me finish with with john. here you're a pass. no resolve. that's why europe welcome continued a decline 30 seconds my friend. well, that's because the european integration process, which all the european leech believe, are committed to is an integral part of a trans atlantic system. and they launched with america the americans need and want a united europe. and they have done since the $940.00 s. and the european deletes want to have rusher as an enemy because that they think will reinforce a sense of european solidarity. so there is absolutely no chance of the current european leech breaking with the americans because it is part of their dna as part of their dna. okay. they're very all they, it's their dna because they have a bolshevik mindset. get up to lee, but they're gentlemen many thanks,

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