policy so called green policy, which of course involves a negative growth, negative economic growth. a reduction in economic activity. obviously, a reduction in energy consumption reduction in a travel and all kinds of all the sort of other things that we've got used to in recent decades. and increasingly what we see, for example, very recently in the last day or so in france and in finland and in other countries, the idea of carbon or permits, which will track your carbon emissions. you know, every time you go and buy a pint of milk, you will law, you know, you will be told how much carbon that costs and the logical consequence of course, of this i in these kinds of ideas even if they're presented as voluntary at 1st, is rationing and socialism on central control. and in other words, exactly where are the soviet union was right up until 2 years ago. and that itself,

if you like, that soviet experience was itself the kind of death wish. because in the name of ideology, russia and the soviet union and the other countries associated with it, pulled themselves further and further down until, as we all know, they were living in pretty miserable material conditions. and i'm afraid i think europe is on that same predictor of army. i'm sorry, you not in your head is john was answering my question here. and you know, obviously the garden reference i made were, has to do with joseph burrell and his ridiculous blogs. the 1st one and then once explaining why the 1st one made sense and then he compounded is a mom dilemma. my continuing to talk about a garden. well, if we want to stay with the garden, the garden was real pretty because it had cheap energy, didn't it? i mean, it's really kind of simple. okay. i, you know, and john, as usual, jumped ahead of me. i want to talk about the b, the bolshevik mindset here. but you know, a more or less same question to you. i mean, everything that is being done in the name ukraine and its democracy in its borders

and all that is impoverishing europe. and what i don't understand, i can understand the u. s. wanting to push out its competitors in europe. okay, that's fine. but if europe becomes the industrialized and poor, then what kind of market do will it be for the americans? the export to not much you don't, you don't want to export. you can't export to poor people because they don't have any money. vladimir. yeah, i would say that, you know, what we been observing in recent years. europe was doing very well precisely with the new and other research and russia. that is, you know, they had cheap energy. they managed to balance and let's face it, it was a pretty successful balance between certain kind of, you know, kind of social practices. they provide good medicine, they provide sort of, you know, social protections. i would kept those practices up using good product and selling them all over the world. so the model was working and it's obviously made it

americans another company. it's kind of nervous. so they decided to throw a monkey wrench. and this monkey range, you know, in the form of ukraine worked very, very successfully. they somehow managed to kind of split the europe and split up by split in. i mean, you know, this very broad american leaders in the lead or somehow going to believe that america knows best and common people who have to pay a lot of money for the broad us will have to compete in the, in the market for the job. so this is monkey range is actually very working very well for united states, but europe is just kind of do i did, and they don't wanna actually face reality. and it's a good emblem of how's that of americans are doing? if you remember the very beginning of ukrainian crisis, when newland ends up in a key of and discuss it with american a better that the new leaders in key to which key ask the questions and what they, you know, your opinions will think about our going to metal defense would you now people,

and she answered in the root word, well, basically who cares about europeans with, but this is the institute, and somehow he does a sink to repeat that this is the american who cares if you guys, you know, by expensive stuff from us, you, you're not going to be got any more in, you know, if he's honest burrell, he should have said that. yeah, we're not it any more because omega nodded because of his kind of supreme understanding of how your, your functions. you know, ralph, you know, they, you know, if we look at germany, germany is, you know, in the, in, in the, in the world, germany makes nice stuff. nice cars, nice pans, nice industrial stuff. and now that seems to be fading away. i mean, i mean to someone to point out of my program bakeries that survived the 2nd world war in berlin are going out of business. now. i mean that is it amazing comment here, and it's all self inflicted. the german political elite does not. it said in does

what washington says, rita, this is a europe has, has a toxic, a dependency in russia. know it has a toxic relationship with the united states. ralph and munich. yes, i fully agree with you, and i must say it is certainly i'm sure that germany is the most of the vassals states that mister. guten said we are there in europe. and you saw 2 at the beginning of the year, and chancellor shawls had been in the white house, and mister biden sat to the question, what about more stream to mister chancellor? the chancellor did not answer that question of the reporter, but it was mister biden who sent out we have base to stop it and that's what we have seen. now i've been active with gertrude at that former chancellor of germany to pursue the german government and taking lot stream to our gas. and mr. miller to confirm to me or to mr. pasco, at confirmed to me in september that they,

yes, would be willing to give us gas through nor string to if, if the sanctions of course and the sanctions are clearly are directed against our south, we shot ourselves into our own foot. if you look at the statement from our recent days now from the international energy agency, i. e, a that said that our 10000000 tons of oil are under sanctions from russia to, to western europe. that is an enormous, it's 2 thirds of the oil imports that we don't get any more. that is rising inflation. that is making life more expensive for everyone to tease that cost by products and so on. so the german industry is suffering worse. now when i came to the chancellor's office, i presented that offer from mr. miller from gas prom. and i said to him that either he has to sign it or somebody else has to sign it. but then he has to re sign because we need the gas we needed for the drum and industries for the assamese and

for to populate yes meant route met. but it, but isn't the, you know, the green future doesn't that trump everything, john? it's really amazing how ukraine and the green agenda have collided together. live at it at, at a godsend for, for washington. because a you that we are killing 2 birds with one stone. go ahead john. yes, that's absolutely true. but don't forget, we had cobra for 2 years. that's right. that also conjugated very easily with the green agenda. in fact, oh my center thing is a good pretext for the great agenda. the great reset, the famous great reset of june 2020 excel shrubs. great reset was written of course of bait in the initial shock of the 1st locked downs and he and all his other doubles group. he said that this was a great moment to to reset the world economy. and when you read, you can see that what is really talking about is, is the green agenda,

is what i said in my 1st answer it. so, you know, reduce the economic growth greater centralized control and so on. and now, more than 2 years later, we have, for example, in the united kingdom, i mean that, that's just one example because it's even more true what i'm about to say of germany and france and other countries. but for instance, if you take the united kingdom, which is, you know, has, everybody knows, has had several prime ministers since. yeah. since 2020, the latest one. the current one said only last year in glasgow. we have to rewire the world financial system to aim from that 0 or to achieve that 0. we why the world financial system? what that means is cooking the books together with the big accountancy firms, because he and pow schwab and the, well, they can form. it said they've got the big accountancy firms, the big for international account, see firms on board? it means cooking. the books integrating things like carbon emissions and so on into company balance sheets literally rigging,

in the accounts in order to meet this net 0 target. and. busy and he said that in the 2021 long before the war and ukraine, but yes, of course, now that you're no longer has hydrocarbons from russia, it's obviously going to have reduce its consumption because everybody knows that the alternative sources of gas and other hydrocarbons do not exist, there isn't enough that by natural gas, natural gas, and we certainly don't have the way it means to achieve john. i have to jump in here. i have to jump in and we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on europe's declined state with blue with,

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. okay, let's go back to vladimir, vladimir, your ear in the us and, and this is a week after the mid term elections. and the final pitch, the democrats liberals made is that democracy is on the bow. a tail gate scare. everybody. ok, well, the bow, the, the ballot is democracy. but that's beyond the point here. and then we have the case of you can the crusade to save ukraine is in the name of democracy, which there is no democracy there. but my point is here is that everything we've talked about on this program thus far, it's never been on the ballot. nobody ever gets for both presses beer and that is really frustrating. they all do everything in the name of democracy, but democracy is what they fear most because no one would vote for this. latter mere yeah, i would, you know, grades even though the skill over american propaganda damaged moralist,

hijacked the hopes, aspiration of a lot of progressive kind of educated people. they all want, you know, green plan ed, democracy. they all want sort of, you know, you know, good, good things. and, you know, democrats and liberals and greens in germany, they pretend to promise it. but basically it's a trojan horse that you know, they promise it, but underneath it what we, what we see is as the most kind of patient, greed, exploitation lies and so on. for me was very good example. and in germany, ok, they don't want to depend on russian guess. and then when they find themselves travel, why don't we bring coal? so like how grieved if you think about it, how this progressive group, which you know, what wants to improve the planet, bring a call, a, bring in a franken, what are they want to buy? the stuff from america. we just basically pollutes a whole states here. so,

so this is, this is the idea, but i think it's a skill. but as of you know, there's an average you're being so dictated. they want to do the right thing, but they are convinced that they are politicians, that the right thing is to follow this a very obscure, very democratic. i agree with you that in democratic american agenda, which basically jones a plan is in the concentration camp rather than the green planet. that's what we're observing. but you know that if people are convinced or they are marching to a concentration blend, but they're, but they're thinking they imagining that they've gone into some kind of garden of democracy. you know, you know, ralph, i've been to germany many times in my life. and one of the things i like about germany will be very simple. the place works ok, it works well. i like it. ok, you didn't feel comfortable there. all right? but you are, we are most germans willing to live with last or most germans willing to be poor for the environment. i mean, again, this has never been tested at the ballot box. ralph?

yeah, well, you're absolutely right. no one is willing to sacrifice the standard of living and we see that in the refugee crisis in 2015 that suddenly people become very political, although they may not go and vote. but it's never put to voting no the same with the cultural revolution that we have since since cove. it since the pandemic, we undergo a gender risen energy b t q is mentally undergo the green washing of our economy and it doesn't work. and it doesn't resonate with people, people i extremely upset now, and they are marching in the streets every week to protest against that. they know that voting doesn't help them. and it's a bit likened to us than you say. do you have hung pol humans, you know here the debate is also hung at parliament in many aspects. and the fine tuning of the economy doesn't help us any more. we need some more radical steps now to protect our standard of living,

to protect democracy and growth. and that is the problem we have most at the moment . we see a decline in our production already and productivity as well. and we see just due to the high energy costs, so people are not willing to take it because our systems won't function anymore. we expect blackouts very soon, although the gas storage is our full, but the gas is already being sold to as well. so like around ralph, i'm sorry that i can interactively if i can interrupt here. so let me really clear here. europe is one of the most a wealthy and modern places on the planet and it's going to experience blackouts. okay, just take that on board. john. same thing, a brown out sky happening possibly in france here. um, is it all rushes fault is that would be people in paris, say, though those damn rou, skis, or do they really believe this? because the u. k. prime minister, announced a few days ago, the country is going into recession and it's russia's fault. it does, is it?

is that something that people believe go ahead, john pears? while i suspect the answer is probably yes, i mean, not every one of course, but i might, my feeling is that it's quite possible that there is a fairly large measure of acceptance of that view, which of course, i don't share about, you know, to read personally the propaganda is absolutely intense. yep. and secondly, you know, what is in store for us? is it so terrifying that it's really better? it's better actually feel state of mind not to believe it. you know, human kind can bet too much reality as ts eliot said. the blackouts in a way i would say are almost secondary and important because you know, ok, the lights go off for a few hours. obviously that's pretty primitive way of carrying on. but what some more serious is of course, the long term the industrialization which this will cause which the rising energy

prices will cause. i mean, shortage is one problem, but rising cost in the sense of more important one and the industrialization has started. so for example, b s f, the largest chemical producer in the world. the company that everybody has heard of has announced that it is permanently closing most of its european output instead relocating to asia. so this is a major development. but there are many other developments from the level of the bakers that you just mentioned, peter, and you'll want to be really a questions to these gigantic or industrial multi nationals like b s. s. and once they've closed, once those companies have closed. you know, the factory and leaks are from the wherever and decided to, or make things in asia or even in america. because it's very important to us. perhaps i should say this so that nobody is under any illusion. the high energy prices are in europe alone. they're not in asia and they are not in the united states. so the competitiveness of the economy of the european economy of the

continent of europe is absolutely terrifying. in comparison with the competitiveness of the united states and asia, which have far lower energy costs for a variety of re, well john di, i tend to think that's no coincidence. don't you think? i mean, seriously. ok, i mean, it's easy to always to blame certain someone else, but, you know, let me go to vladimir here. is it the re, my ask the question or blame russia? brushes not sanctioning any one russia is being sanctioned. that's why this is happening. okay. it's the west in its decision making, stupidly i would say, i don't think they thought it out. certainly the russians have because russia is coming out of mild recession and in places going down. it's not happening in europe . vladimir. yeah, i think unfortunately we live in this kind of unbelievable of short termism which, you know, united states, this is this is way typical. american thinking is imposing all over the world.

let's just go through history at certain moment. ok. there was like a 911 attack andre center, and then it has gotten to the hit. once we beat the hell out of such, saddam everything will be fine. so they start the war, destroy one country, telling everyone. oh yeah, this is 1011 state one. ok, not that is really improved. ok now is cont, office. well let's, let's, let's finish. they leave it. now let's do something with here. so this idea of like a designated evil guy, be, you know, somebody in north korea or in the russia and it was sort of, or know them, everything will be fine. with is the war. you know, we have, we know how the history unfold. we know like, you know, where the united century england was fighting with russia. oh, so i'm missing the german rice. and so, and so there's a little complicated issue in this naive hope that we designated russia is an arch

villain. once we're sort of do all our friends, do something with the country, everything will be fine. this is this never walk in there will. yeah, i mean with it they is, is they never want to blame neoliberalism. ok, because that's now it gets too close. that gets too close to home. ok, because neoliberalism has failed. that it's failed for the vast majority people in the west, in north america, in europe as well. but no one can admit that because the people that have made so much from it are, will maintain it. ok through these ridiculous elections that we have to go through . and i agree bout doesn't really mean that much. any more route here. what's going to happen to germany because germany's pride is its productivity. ok. it's genius. its ability to create things that the world wants when people don't want german goods, then what is germany? ralph? yeah, well, 2 points here. first of all, we do not blame rush of witnessing, but the ordinary citizens,

if we even say that an opinion polls that the mainstream may just polishing 40 percent, say they follow more to russian or propaganda kind of, that's what they did upset here about. and secondly, they say 80 percent of germans, they blamed the americans full of the wrong economic decisions that they impose on us. so i compared with the time after world war 2 bird was at stake, but we either would be under morgan top plan, it would leave germany. she's right. gospel, dear, dost realised, or, and marshal plan that we finally got thanks to the americans. so we could rebuild our economy after the 2nd world war, but now we feel we are under morgantown, wretched again. so we are fearing that we lose everything will be a lot, plenty the raffle for that. we actually call for a transatlantic divorce. in friendship, of course, with the american smile. i'm, i'm, i'm sorry router, but it's your money really wants to be serious. you can do one thing and it will shake up. everything is leave nato. what it would nato be without american basis in

germany? ok. i mean it, the that we're 0 is the result we resolve here and then let me finish with with john here. your past no resolved. that's why europe welcome continued a decline 30 seconds my friend. well, that's because the european integration process, which all european leaps believe in on and are committed to, is an integral part of a trans atlantic system. and they launched with the, with that, with american, the americans need and want a united europe. and they have done since the 19 forties and the european deletes, want to have rusher as an enemy because that they think will reinforce a sense of european solidarity. so there is absolutely no chance of the current european leaps breaking with the americans because it is part of their dna as part of their dna. okay. they're very all they, it's their dna because they have a bolshevik mindset. get up to lee, but they're gentlemen many thanks them i guess in paris,

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