that africans can use to promote and enhance their own prospects in the global economy and local governance. by the way, there are other forums and alliances, for example, bricks which might be even more important. i think, for africa than the g. 20. many of the problems in africa relating to p security, conflict, instability, but a source exploitation are caused by colonial, any period behavior by exploitation, by external actors. and so many of the problems that africa faces are not caused by africa itself, although we can't escape some blame of course. but nevertheless, some of the big issues, for example, you know, when well and gas food sources are discovered, their former colonial masters are quick to, to jump into africa with promises of development, aid and support, and a seat at the table, all important decision making machinery. and instruments back,

we know what the agenda are, which is why my view is important for the f, for africa as they're presented by the a you to take its place at the bargaining table with the g 20 to protect its interests and enhance its own stature. but at the same time, cannot, it cannot be the only in international instrument available to the african continent controlled by the west, which is why i mentioned one or 2 other instruments. bricks i think is really important and might become even more important in this global term will that we are going through and some even speak of a revival of the non aligned movement, maybe in a modern form. so yes, africa has different options to choose from. and as must be very careful who it makes alliances, but as we faced this turbulent time globally, joe biden has officially congratulated the republican party 1st carrying its majority in the house of representatives in the mid term elections. despite the

results being a projection republicans are already celebrating their victory with their were fired, 218 seat majority reached by the g. o he is expect it. the house will replace nancy pelosi as speaker. the senate, however, remained under democrats, as by ins administration was able to secure a one bo, he's already we have embrace freedom, and that's all for now. be sure to check out our t. v dot com for all believe is breaking news and updates. we'll see you right back here at the top of the hour. ah, ah, [000:00:00;00]

with hello and welcome to cross out. were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle for some reason a number of so called european intellectuals and politicians maintain the e. u represents the highest level of human development. we are told europe is a garden and the rest of us live in the jungle. rhetoric aside, europe is in serious trouble, hardly a model for the rest of the world. in fact, europe is declining into irrelevance. ah, cross hocking europe, the client, i'm joined by my guess john laughlin in paris. he is a university lecture in history and political philosophy in munich. we have brow niemeyer. he is the chairman of the council for constitution and sovereignty. and in providence, we have vladimir goldstein. he is the chair of the depart and its slavic studies at brown university car, a gentleman cross stock rules,

and the fact that means you can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate, john, let me go to you 1st. you've been on this program probably for it, since it's inception. i know you're a straight talker. you don't mean to words, i'm not gonna minutes. my words with my question. does europe within the context of the e u and it's current political elite have a death wish? oh, that's a good question. i think in some ways, yes, i mean obviously what you're referring to in your question is the extraordinary way in which european leaders have taken orders from the americans. and it's very important to understand that they did take orders from the americans. i'm particularly of course, thinking of the closure of the not stream to pipeline. i'm not talking about the sabotage at this point. i'm talking about the closure back in february. or what's remarkable is the way they take orders, and yet they are the ones of course, who suffer from these orders. i mean, we've seen this now for, for months since the ukraine war started, or the americans in a way,

one the war on day one. because the not stream to gas pipeline was closed down and or once it was closed down again, leaving aside the question of the later sabotaged. it was obviously always going to be very difficult for it to be opened up again. so indeed one wonders are where. busy they have a death wish because they doing things are all there in order to do stuff by other people which are not in their own interests. and i have to say that the death, which i think in my view, are manifest itself most obviously in green policy, so called green policy, which of course involves ad or negative growth, negative economic growth. a reduction in economic activity. obviously a reduction in energy consumption reduction in a travel and all kinds of all the sort of other things that we've got used to in recent decades. and increasingly what we see, for example, very recently in the last day or so in france and in finland and in other countries

. now the idea of a cabin a permit, which will track your carbon emissions. you know, every time you go and buy a pint of milk, you will la, you know, you'll be told how much carbon that costs and the logical consequence of course, of this i in these kinds of ideas even if they're presented as voluntary at 1st, is rationing and socialism central control and what was exactly where the soviet union was right up until 2 years ago. and that itself, if you like, that service experience was itself the kind of death wish. because in the name of ideology, marcia and the soviet union and the other countries associated with it, pulled themselves further and further down until, as we all know, they were living in pretty miserable material conditions. and i'm afraid i think europe is on that same predictor. and let me tell you not in your head is john was answering my question here. and you know, obviously the garden reference i made has to do with joseph burrell. and his ridiculous blogs. the 1st one and then once explaining why the 1st one made sense

and then he compound it is a dilemma by continuing to talk about a garden. well, if we want to stay with the garden, the garden was real pretty because of that cheap energy, didn't it? i mean it's really kind of simple. ok. i, you know, and john, visual jumps ahead of me. i want to talk about the be the bolshevik mindset here. but you know, more or less same question, do you, i mean, everything that is being done in the name of ukraine and it's democracy in its borders and all that is impoverishing europe. and what i don't understand, i can understand the u. s. wanting to push out its competitors in europe. okay, that's fine. but if europe becomes the industrialized and poor, then what kind of market do will it be for the americans? the export to not much you don't, you don't want to ex, what you can export to poor people cuz they don't have any money. vladimir. yeah, i would say that, you know, what we have been observing in recent years. europe was doing very well precisely

with the new and other research and russia that is, you know, they had cheap energy. they managed to balance and let's face it, it was a pretty successful balance between certain kind of, you know, kind of social practices. they provide good medicine, they provide sort of, you know, social protections. i will give you those practices for producing good product and selling them all over the world. so the model was working and it's on this, the made americans and other companies. it's kind of nervous. so they decided to throw a monkey wrench in this monkey range, you know, in the form of ukraine worked very, very successfully. they somehow managed to kind of split the europe and split up by splitting. i mean, you know, this very broad american leaders in the lead or somehow kind of believe that america knows best and common people who have to pay a lot of money for the broad us will have to compete in the, in the market for the job. so that this is monkey wrench is actually very working very well for united states,

but europe is just kind of divided and they don't wanna actually face reality. and as a good, an emblem of how's that of americans are doing that? you remember the very beginning of ukrainian crisis when newland ends up in a key of and discusses with american ambassador the new leaders in key to which key ask the questions and what they, you know, your opinions will think about our going to mail in the fields would you know people and she answered in the root word will basically, who cares about european with but this is the, it did you and somehow it does the sink to repeat that this is the american who cares if you guys will buy expensive stuff from us you'll you, you're not going to be got any more. if he's honest burrell, he should have said that. yeah, we're not it any more because of america, not because of his kind of supreme understanding of how you are europe functions.

you know, ralph, you know, they, you know, if we look at germany, germany is, you know, it will in, in the, in, in the, in the world. germany makes nice stuff. nice cars, nice pens, nice industrial stuff. and now that seems to be fading away. i mean, i mean to someone to point out of my program bakeries that survived the 2nd world war in berlin are going out of business. now. i mean, that is it amazing comment here, and it's all self inflicted. the german political elite does not. it said in does what washington says, you know, they, this is a, europe is, has a toxic, a dependency in russia? no, it has a toxic relationship with the united states. ralph and munich. yes, i fully agree with you, and i must say it is certainly ah, sure that germany is the most of the vassals states that mister bruton said were there in europe. and you saw 2 at the beginning of the year. and chancellor shawls

had been in the white house, and mister biden sat to the question, what about more stream to mister chancellor? the chancellor didn't answer that question of the reporter, but it was mister biden, who sent out we have base to stop it. and that's what we have seen. now i've been active with gertrude at a former chancellor of germany to pursue the german government and taking lot stream to our gas. and mr. miller to confirm to me or to mr. pasco, at confirmed to me in september that they, yes, would be willing to give us gas through nor stream to if, if the sanctions of course and the sanctions are clearly are directed against our south, we shot ourselves into our own foot. if you look at the statement from our recent days now from the international energy agency, i. e, a that said that our 10000000 tons of oil are under sanctions from russia to,

to western europe. that is an enormous as 2 thirds of the oil imports that we don't get any more. that is rising inflation. that is making life more expensive for everyone to tease that costs the by products and so on. so the german industry is suffering worse. now when i came to the chancellor's office, i presented that offer from mr. miller from gas prom. and i said to him that either he has to sign it or somebody else has to sign it. but then he has to re sign because we need the gas we needed for the drum and industries for the assamese, and for to populate yes meant route let but it, but isn't the, you know, the green future doesn't that trump everything, john? it's really amazing how ukraine and the green agenda have collided together. live at it at, at a godsend for, for washington. because a you that we were killing 2 birds with one stone. go ahead john. yes, that's absolutely true. but don't forget, we had cobra for 2 years. that's right. that also conjugated very easily with the green agenda. in fact, oh my center thing is

a good pretext for the green agenda. the great reset, the famous great reset of june 2020 excel shrubs. great reset was written of course of bait in the initial shock of the 1st locked downs and he and all his other doubles group. he said that this was a great moment to to reset the world economy. and when you read the book, you can see what he's really talking about is, is the green agenda, is what i said in my 1st answer it. so, you know, reduce the economic growth greater centralized control and so on. and now, more than 2 years later, we have, for example, in the united kingdom, i mean that, that's just one example because it's even more true what i'm about to say of germany and france and other countries. but for instance, if you take the united kingdom, which is, you know, has, everybody knows, has had several prime minister since. yeah. since wednesday, the latest one, the current one said only last year in glasgow. we have to rewire the world

financial system to aim from that 0 or to achieve that 0. we why the world financial system? what that means is cooking the books together with the big accountancy firms, because he and pow schwab and the, well, they can form. it said they've got the big accountancy firms, the big for international accounting firms on board. it means cooking. the books integrating things like carbon emissions and so on into company balance sheets, literally rigging the accounts in order to meet this net 0 target. and, and he said that in the 2021 long before the war and ukraine. but yes, of course, now that you're no longer has hydrocarbons from russia, it's obviously going to have reduce its consumption because everybody knows that the alternative sources of gas and other hydrocarbons do not exist. there isn't enough to buy national, get natural gas. and we certainly don't have to wait, that means to achieve john, i have to jump in here. i have to jump in and we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on europe. client say

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you we're discussing europe's decline. ah okay, let's go back to vladimir, vladimir, your ear in the us and, and this is a week after the mid term elections. and the final pitch, the democrats liberals made is that democracy is on the ballot. okay. trying to scare everybody. okay, well, the bow that the ballot is democracy, but that's a beyond the point here. um and then we have the case of out of the crusade to save ukraine is in the name of democracy which there is no democracy there. but my point is here is that everything we have talked about on this program thus far, it's never been on the ballot. nobody ever gets to about with his death beer. and that is really frustrating. they all do everything in the name of democracy, but democracy is what they fear most because no one would vote for this. vladimir.

yeah, i would, you know, grade z b, t o, the skill over american propaganda damaged moralist, hijacked the hopes, aspiration of a lot of progressive kind of educated people. they all want to know green plan in the gym or courtesy they all want sort of, you know, you know, good, good things. and, you know, democrats and liberals and greens in germany, they pretend to promise it. but basically it's a trojan horse that you know, they promise it, but underneath it what we, what we see is as the most kind of a patient, greed exploitation lies and so on. for me it was really good example and then germany, ok. they don't want to depend on russian guess, and then when they find themselves in trouble, why don't we bring cold? so like how grieved if you think about it, how this progressive group,

which you know, what wants to improve the planet breen, a call a bring in a franken. what are they gonna buy? the stop from america? we just basically pollutes a whole states here. so. so this is, this is the idea, but i think it's a skill, but as of you know, the average you're being so dictated. they want to do the right thing, but they're convinced by their politicians that the right thing is to follow this. a very obscure, very democratic i agree with you, but in democratic american agenda, which basically jones, a blended into concentration camp rather than the green planet. that's what we're observing. but you know that if people are convinced or they are marching to a concentration blend, but they're, but they're thinking they imagining that they've gone into some kind of garden of democracy. you know, you know, ralph, i've been to germany many times in my life. and one of the things i like about germany will be very simple. the place works ok, it works well. i like it, ok, you didn't feel comfortable there. all right? but you are,

we are most harriman's willing to live with less or most germans willing to be poor for the environment. i mean, again, this has never been tested at the ballot box. ralph? yeah, well, you're absolutely right. no one is willing to sacrifice the standard of living and we see that in the refugee crisis in 2015 that suddenly people become very political, although they may not go and vote. but it's never put to voting no the same with the cultural revolution that we have since since cove it since the pandemic, we undergo a gender risen energy b t q is meant we undergo the green washing of our economy and it doesn't work. and it doesn't resonate with people, people i extremely upset now, and they are marching in the streets every week to protest against that. they know that voting doesn't help them. and it's a bit likened to us than you say. do you have how pol humans you know,

here the debate is also hung at parliament in many aspects. and the fine tuning of the economy doesn't help us any more. we need some more radical steps now to protect our standard of living, to protect democracy and growth. and that is the problem we have most at the moment . we see a decline in our production already and productivity as well. and received us due to the high energy costs. so people are not willing to take it because our systems won't function anymore. we expect blackouts very soon, although the gas storage is our full. but the gas is already being sold too as well . so like around ralph, i'm sorry that i can enter entity if i can interrupt here. so let me really clear here. europe is one of the most a wealthy and modern places on the planet and it's going to experience blackouts. okay, just take that on board. john, same thing, a brown out sky happening possibly in france here. um, is it all rushes fault is that would be people in paris, say,

though those damn rou, skis, or do they really believe this? because the u. k. prime minister, announced a few days ago, the country is going into recession and it's russia's fault. it does, is it? is that something that people believe go ahead, johnson pears? while i suspect the answer is probably yes, i mean, not every one of course, but i might, my feeling is that it's quite possible that there is a fairly large measure of acceptance of that view, which of course, i don't chat about, you know, to read personally that propaganda is absolutely intense. yep. and secondly, you know, what is in store for us? is it so terrifying that it's really better? it's better actually feel state of mind not to believe that. you know, human kind can bet too much reality as ts eliot said. the blackouts in a way i would say are almost secondary and important because you know, ok the lifecycle for

a few hours. obviously that's pretty primitive way of carrying on. but what some more serious is of course, the long term, the industrialization which this will call which the rising energy prices will cause, i mean, shortages of one problem, but rising cost, in the sense a more important one. and the industrialization has started. so for example, b s f, the largest chemical producer in the world, a company that everybody has heard of has announced that it is permanently per closing. most of its european output instead relocating to asia. so this is a major development, but there are many other developments from the level of the bakers that you just mentioned, peter, and you're going to be really a question to these gigantic or industrial multi nationals like b s. s. and once they've closed, once those companies have closed, you know, their factory and ludwig soften or wherever and decided to, or make things in asia or even in america. because it's very important to perhaps i

should say this. so that nobody is under any illusion. the high energy prices are in europe alone. they're not in asia and they are not in the united states. so the competitiveness of the economy of the european economy of the continent of europe is absolutely terrifying. in comparison with the competitiveness of the united states and asia, which have far lower energy costs for a variety of re, well john di, i tend to think that's no coincidence. don't you think that i mean seriously. ok, i mean, it's easy to always to blame certain someone else, but, you know, let me go to vladimir here. is it the re, my ask the question or blame russia? brushes not sanctioning any one russia is being sanctioned. that's why this is happening. okay. it did, it's the west in its decision making stupidly, i would say, i don't think they thought it out. certainly the russians have because russia is coming out of a mild recession and in places going down. it's not happening in europe. vladimir. yeah. i think unfortunately we live in this kind of unbelievable. should george

misa are which you know, united states, this is, this is re typical american thinking is imposing all over the world. let just go through history and certain moment. ok. there was like a 911 attack andre center. the americans gotten it. they had, once we beat the hell out of such, saddam, everything will be fine. so they start the war, destroy one country, telling everyone. oh yeah, this is 1011. you could state one. ok, not that is really improved. ok now is could office? well let's, let's, let's finish the little bit. now let's do something this year. so this idea of like a designated evil guy, be, you know, somebody in north korea or in the russia and was, or i know them, everything will be fine. and with isn't the war, you know, we have, we know how the history unfold. we know, like, you know,

where the united century england was fighting with russia also missing the german rice and so on. so there's a little complicated issue in this naive hope that we didn't need russia as an archery alone. once was of the of do all our friends do something with a country. everything will be fine. this is, this never walked in there will. yeah, i mean whether they is, if they never want to blame neoliberalism, ok, because that's, that we get too close. that gets too close to home. ok, because neoliberalism has failed. it's failed for the vast majority people in the west in north america, in europe as well. but no one can admit that because the people that have made so much from it are, will maintain it. ok through these ridiculous elections that we have to go through . and i agree bout doesn't really mean that much. any more. ralph here, what's going to happen to germany? because germany's pride is its productivity. ok. it's genius. its ability to create things that the world wants when people don't want german goods,

then what is germany? ralph? yeah, well, 2 points here. first of all, we do not blame, rush of witnessing, but to ordinary citizens. every even say that an opinion polls that the mainstream may just polishing 40 percent say they follow more to russian or propaganda kind of that's what they did upset here about and secondly, they say 80 percent of germans. they blamed the americans full of the wrong economic decisions that they impose on us. so i compared with the time after world war 2 bird was at stake when we either would be under morgan top plan. it would leave germany. she's right, gospel, dear, dost realised, or, and marshal plan that we finally got thanks to the americans. so we could rebuild our economy after the 2nd world war. but now we feel we are under morgan, toll wretched again. so we are fearing that we lose everything will be a lot, plenty de raffle for we actually called for a transatlantic divorce in friendship,

of course, with the american smile. i'm, i'm, i'm sorry, rouzan memory. it's your many really wants to be serious, that you can do one thing and it will shake up everything is lead nato. what it would nato be without american bases in germany? ok. i mean it, the, they were the 0 as the result we resolve here and then let me finish with with john here. your past no resolved. that's why europe welcome continued a decline 30 seconds my friend. well, that's because the european integration process, which all the european leech believe, are committed to is an integral part of trans atlantic system. and they, lance, with america the americans need and want a united europe. and they have done since the $940.00 s. and the european deletes want to have russia as an enemy because that they think will reinforce a sense of european solidarity. so there is absolutely no chance of the current european liter breaking with the americans because it is part of their dna as part

of their dna. ok, they're very involved. okay. it's their dna because they have a bolshevik. mine said get up to lee, but they're gentlemen many thanks. when i get some parents, music and, and province, and thanks to our viewers for watching us here in our tea. so you next time, remember of cross talk with a finance national z m

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