and engage with the trail. ah, when so many find themselves will depart. we choose to look for common ground. ah, the hague is malaysia airlines flight m, age 17, was told down by a russian made mist. won't stopping short of accusing moscow. but the west refined blame to be long before the 2014 tragedy had even been investigated. with shrapnel. also this hour we follow a russian troops on the battlefield in don't bounce weather. ukrainian military is stepping up. it's the slope to break through defense through the lines of the

west to tries to whitewash you claims neo nazi algo battalion, one of the american members proudly claims the fall. right, is a legitimate political force in ukraine with hello and welcome. this is on the international coming to live from moscow. with the latest at world news update is good to have you with us. i. we start with breaking news. the hague is currently delivering the details of its final verdict on the 2014 tragedy of malaysia airlines flight. mh 17 and don't boss. but play in which has been allowed to end to ukraine's as space was shut down at mid heavy fighting in the area. killing old 298 civilians on board. well, a correspondent joins in the studio. now. marina caused a river with the d. taos, marine, i thank you for coming in. what do we know about the verdict at the moment and most been the reaction so far? well, the verdict is still being delivered as we speak of we're still waiting to hear

about the fate of the 4 suspects. i'll get to that a little bit later for now, what we do know is that the hague believes that right. 17 was shot down by a russian made messiah a book missile in particular. and that it came from a farm field near a pair of a mice, which was an eastern ukraine. and the court believes that this was in, under russian control because they believe that the conflict fair russia was not only and courage and that, but was actively participating. their service had them fighters, that that's their opinion. what they're saying at the moment. and this is back in 2014, i should add now the 4 suspects that they have 3 russians, one ukrainian, they're being tried for their ledger, the role in this. but again, behind that, they're saying that russia was basically encouraging them to, to do their activities. there and they said that the judge would not gone to vol on other legal aspects and see whether they're

a guilty or innocent. the 4 suspects are particular. now, mosca has always said, of course, that's denied responsibility for shooting down m $817.00. and they said that he had sort of close the airspace, considering that there was a counseling going on. and of course, russia denies that it was encouraging the regional conflict in the ukraine to begin with. and it was only there to protect people afterwards. the board, we saw what happened and develop there, but again, this is all back to 2014 has been 8 years and we've been waiting to hear this verdict. and again, i have to say it doesn't come as a surprise that they're saying that russia is behind it. we were almost expect them to hear that today. and again, they said that it was from ross made miss, i'll no surprise there would be interesting to hear what they say about the 4 suspects in particular. so that remains to be seen. and i'll be back to tell you about that for the soon as soon as we get it. now, we know many thanks to coming in and bring us up to speed. and like you say, we'll be closely following the latest developments on this marina closer. i thank

you. back in july 2014, when a time will shut down. over dawn, bosworth and countries were quick to assign blame long before any restoration had even started. as ortiz at steve sweeney explains, the west has its own. never save over what happened to the plain. it says that moscow sent bach miss. r launches to so called militants in don yeske. and that the miss all that struck the plane was russian stay in the netherlands. she the strongest commitment to protecting and defending the rules vice order such a day. we are not seeing that we have initiated legal proceedings against the russian federation in the international civil ideation organization for the downing of malaysia. ellen's flat mit 17. while it says the intercepted conversation with prove that what it describes as pro russian militants launched, the warheads, the west has its own. i received over what happened to the plane. it says that moscow sent buck missile launches to so called militants in don yeske. but russia

also has hard evidence that is simply being ignored. investigators are acting very one sided lea, ignoring important materials provided by the russian side, including that the miss our launch a could not have been delivered to the militants, oklahoma grants. certainly, we do not have documents as inflammation, that the militia sees the book system and missiles for it. i remind you that she cranium. officials have repeatedly stated that not a single anti aircraft system or missiles were seized by the malicious. therefore, i think that ukraine itself has denied such a possibility. while the russian defense minisey says it too has intercepted phone calls, hinting at ukrainian involvements. unless somebody put his renew, we'd have an audio recording of a telephone conversations between ukrainian service man made in 2016. an analysis of its content confirms the earlier conclusions about the t rex involvements or the ukranian site. and malaysian boy crash grants. just throw me in the cold ukrainian

kernel. ruth lankin chuck blaine's care of soldiers and say something like, guys, if something like this happens, we will shoot down one more. boeing rushes, defense ministry has also debunked evidence that the buck mishondra was even on pro russian territory. and say that photos have been altered according to his own information. moscow says that the missiles could not have been fired from don yeske . as for the evidence of the missile launch, we see the absence of convincing evidence from the joint investigation group's version. that the missile was launched from pit of my ski. indeed, the pictures and intercepted telephone conversations did not tell us anything about the possibility. the miss al could have been launched from this song controlled by the denounced people's republic. the serial number of the mythical engine is from a batch pass to ukraine. but when it was part of the u. s. is all in the 1980s de

la, known the serial numbers of the nozzle and engine, it became possible to determine the number of the rockets. the rocket was assembled on december 24th 1986 on december 29th. 1986. the rocket was sent by rail to military unit 20 slash 152 parts of the car path. him military district and station in the turnip will region of the ukrainian ussr, which after the collapse of the soviet union, it wasn't withdrawn to the territory of the russian federation and was incorporated into the armed forces of ukraine in that the. but will these facts and evidence be considered? it's hi, the unlikely them the wish. there are many questions and no one asks the americans to show data from satellites, which as they said, irrefutably prove the correctness of the investigation. the investigation simply recorded that the american side has such satellite images and this statement is enough for the investigation. one can continue the list of such absurdities,

outright violations of the principles of impartiality. sweeping obvious facts under the rug, russia expects the final verdict to be highly politicized global douglas, and when the decision is announced, we will certainly speak out on this matter. but now we are closely following the process, primarily because we're talking about russian citizens who are defendants. at this stage, we're seeing attempts to create the impression that this is not a criminal case, but a state problem because allegedly russia led these people. this is absolutely unacceptable. whatever the outcome that wealth will probably continue to blame russia while it struggles to justify the continued supply of arms and money to extending the conflict in ukraine. this was like 2 independent journalist edition per walk of h. now many thanks for joining us on the program now be the dates were understand is still being read. what do we know so far? it is expected that the judgment will confirm all the allegations that we have

heard so far. judge say that it was the russian made me style and that i was shocked and overall control of the done it. people see public forces in that time. and it was expected that, that, that the judgment will confirm that this is about the responsibility of those for individuals who are accused. also, this means directly or indirectly that this is about. russia's nash as a guild these um, for the problem with this case is it's only the quality, say zation. you see the political where the do out was made back in july 2014. then political. this is about russia responsibility where it has ended. there is no court in the west that, that can judge impartially and ignored these political pieces in the territory of the former yugoslavia. we have already seen this during drives for war crimes.

first of political judgment is made. that is how it is decided who is guilty only then are the facts connected and the evidence presented that these are all consequences of all the disposition of where the sons, according to their joint investigation, to miss how was launched by ad buck tele installation. transported from the russian federation will still take on this, given that russian investigators were not allowed in to the inquiry. well, this is not the only case when after one incident, western countries immediately began to accuse a russia. we also hear the last case me the shelling golf ball and a couple of days ago that fortunate circumstances that there was a photograph from the scene which immediately proved that the rockets will not rush

. hm. however, in number of other cases, there is no photograph sort of other evidence that would be needed to use the established to do this is done because of the creation of discourse. ashtray is the bed guiding the national relations at the same time in such a way. the opening of some other discussions in the western public is an event that for example, the discussion about the existence of american bio, nevada authority. ukraine says the image of russia as the bad guys created, then any russian claim is out domestically dismissed. like in this situation, we are witnessing guy, he read war between the western russia, which has been going on since 2014 propaganda. who is an integral part of the hebrews more in the proper than the war, considers the creation of public discourses and ukraine. has failed to conduct an independent and effective investigation to how officials failed to close that space

to the flight and also having provided way down data. could this be seen as an effort to shirk responsibility say perhaps well i i dont know. i'm following. i follow that this, this fact spread presented by asha in it. so be, is that some face presented by that asha are not taken into account like these that you mention. the facts presented by russia in this situation cannot be taken into account because they can harm public discourse invest in kansas. the public discourse is higher than the political judgement is called into question. the fact that the certain conclusions of the russian sand ridge of beauty and they are not considered in the door speaks of the politicization of the legal procedure. in fact,

the only chance for the russian fax to be accepted is to do so immediately based on the evidence that will be provided the same day. the incident occurred as we, as was the case with the sharing of the directory of foreign overtime. the police quality zation of the case becomes the greater as long as the hebrew one last, we will witness it. it everything natasha says will be objected a priori. yvonne, it will not be considered at the door and then various constructions will be put together to somehow deny all or relax y z. i one interesting days al is the, the pentagon has previously said it has an image. it is proving that the miss i was signed from don, yes. but it's refused to make them public. why would they withhold such information and does that suggest the investigation is not fully completed? well, i don't know many things in this case where based,

or i or based on him was a sources. now then some much broader that question why benton on these do it did do, do, do doing that and why are judgments and the decisions are, are relying on anonymous sources that, that is much broader question. i think i will remind you that the american war against iraq begun be the claim that sample same process, the weapons of mass destruction, where they're kind of amongst the section who was the american source who confirmed that information? former german minister, for example, them is that of defense of shopping, claimed that the serbs build the camp for albanians and the football stadium in british to 1999. that was his argument for germany during the aggression against

the yugoslavia. of course, no camp exist was a shopping source and we didn't find out that things until today in this hybrid war, hebrew war against russia. i'm methodologies used that he has been designed and perfected for a long, long time. anonymous sources is of some so called secret documents play a big role in this. the problem is that the claims of anonymous sources produce immediate political consequences. iraqi is akbar occupied because of the claim of an anonymous source. knowing the truth about that case today cannot change history, nor can needs change political reality. anonymous sources will still be used for the heated war against russia will create the political reality, the guy list of the true and what is false. and pentagon will be part of that process as well. there's a provoke of edge independent journalist. many,

thanks for taking to us today. appreciate your inside and your for. thank you. let's go through rushes belgrade region where one person has been badly wound in the latest ukrainian shilling from across the border. according to russian officials, kids military used rocket artillery launches to bombard the city of should be, i can a one shell hit a residential house question to through the roof. and seriously, when the 15 year old girl has now been treated in hospital local authority, say what they will provide the affected civilians with all the help they need to restore their home. may want a series of explosions of rocks multiple regions in ukraine with care. the talent among the cities hit ukrainian officials have confirmed the mythos of landed in the eastern city of the new port patrol, skating gas infrastructure and causing power outages. the city of a desk in the country south has also been heads with local authorities. the saying infrastructure was damaged. a number of explosions were also reported in several

western cities, including the 4th. 5th battle was also reported to be raging on the front line in don't bass t, the senior correspondent, wide gas the as to how russian soldiers operate and guns republic, where care forces continue to unsuccessfully attempt to break through defensive lines. the cabin, naya slat though front, perhaps the most violent segment of the front lines. here, you must always be alert. the sky itself has eyes. oh, there you see the advance of the clouds. it's why towards it, do you see it? yes, yes, there it is with drones. booth, russian and ukrainian are ever present. always watching for movement for heat. oh, for tracks. it is always best to stay in cupboard until they are taken down. oh leave. you never know which one might have

a grenade attached to it. our hosts were a mortar team. they've been fighting since february, and plan on keeping at it until the end. but it is, there are moment that draws attention. it is not something that you encounter very often and it can cover in car quadrant. the drones had left new targets had come in, it was time to get to work. this is the my, she look an automatic mine launcher. so what this does is fuzz could sets of 82 millimeter mines and legs, the math in the check book formation. so each one next to the other. in all 40, my a going to be launched. 40 months. each one is lose, lose into 600 pieces of of trap punishable as opposed here. they're going to

correct. there are both correct. couldn't afford it while capable of disgorging a $170.00 mortar rounds per minute. each with a lethal blast radius of 30 meters. it takes a lot of preparation. first, you load the propel in cartridge, then you tie that propel in charge. there are different ways of doing that. lastly, you screw in the fuse. that said they were quick. almost 9 months of warfare has honed their skills, but they know that this will end, this conflict tomorrow will 6 months. it will eventually end. they have faith open, open it, so will leave by only an optimist. the boys are all hold and on. oh, there are champs. we have students and pension age man. despite it all, their spirit, a strong boy gazda of archie,

from the gun squeezen moscow's ambassador to the un has called attempts to blend russia for a miss saw that landed in poland. a combined f. i k as and more thought to bring nato into the conflict. distribute the civilian nibble knows that if this meeting had not been scheduled, we would have had to convene it any way to discuss the attempts by ukraine and poland to provoke a direct clash between russia and nato. it was not just an intentional attempt at this information, but a conscious attempt to bring nato, which is currently conducting a proxy war, into a direct conflict with our country. meanwhile, president vladimir zalinski is urging ukrainian specialists see, participate in an international probe into what he called rushing aggression on the polish bowden. he doubles down on claims that russia was responsible. young. this celeste thomas. i have no doubt about the reports and the command with the f fulsome commander in chief,

so lose me that it was not our missile and not our missile strike. i have no reason not to trust them because i've been through this whole wall with them. i believe this is a russian missile based on our military reports. profitable? well, it's definitely an interesting story because most of key halves biggest supporters . i mean, we're talking about you at the u. s. nato. poland itself are all saying that the evidence points to ukraine in terms of who owns that rocket that landed on polish territory and killed 2 polish people. and still, latimer zalinski is clinging on to this narrative that russia launched the missile despite the fact that nobody's blaming he have a for being at fault here. the west is still incorrectly claiming that russia it was the initial aggressor in the ukrainian conflict. and so somehow they're still saying it's moscow's fault, but at any rate keeps basically stubborn. clinging to this rejection of the facts, it's really frustrated. a lot of people in the west, even one diplomat from a nato country,

reportedly told the financial times that this is really hurting the west's confidence in the key every gene. this is getting ridiculous. the ukrainians are destroying our confidence in them. nobody is blaming ukraine and they are openly lying. this is more destructive than the missile. no one might be able to understand why it wouldn't be easy for key to back track on this at this point. because when this actually happened, just moments after we got wind of this incident, we heard from ukraine's foreign minister, who said that it was a kind of a russian conspiracy theory to say that that missile was launched from a ukrainian missile defense system. that it was the ukrainian missile. and then after that, the lensky actually called for action to be taken against russia for all this as if he was ready to bring everyone into a potential 3rd world war over all of this. and again, those statements were made immediately after we got wind of this incident before the facts were established, but they've been established now and key of still not going back on that. the most

shocking of all of these events happened back in march of this year when in an identified thrown, actually flew through the air space of to nato countries, only to crash in the capital of croatia after running out of fuel. it was later determined that this was launched from ukraine, and that was definitely confusing for the creation president as well because nobody was actually hurt as a result of this. but also nobody noticed that it was flying through that airspace . so the creation president was very confused about that, and also you mentioned that it was launched from ukraine. let's take listen to what you said. how is it possible for an old style aircraft to spend more than one hour in the sky over nato member countries and no one notices it. the situation is that the u. a b flew from the territory of ukraine and crashed in zagreb when the fuel ran out. there's also the issue of ukrainian undersea mines in the black sea because around the same time as this correlation incident,

we were getting reports that turkey had begun to find a number of ukrainian undersea mines that had become dislodged and started floating away. you can imagine how dangerous this could possibly be for all the sea traffic, there isn't the boss for a straight or the mediterranean sea. this is something that even russia's ministry defense warned about as well because of the, the amount of storms that are there. and the fact that storms can dislodge these underwater mines. so, but what's even more interesting is that a key of regime is not facing any consequences for any of this. i mean, it really, it really seems like the west has created a monster, basically by the endless flow of weapons and money into ukraine and the state there just doesn't seem like it wants to follow anyone's rules. while western media and officials a pay play down the right wing, origins of ukraine's of battalion and an interview published on line, a us mercenary who fought for the unit, has expressed anger. that is nationalist affiliations are being denied. there is

a ton of liberal white washing when it comes to fascists. in ukraine, nazis don't exist. the resolve battalion and his ov regiment are different. they took all the nazi's out of his off. we know all these to be false and to a guy who knew and has been there. i see it as pure disrespect to tarnish the legacy of a lot of those who died. clearly they don't know what to think of it. i speak out against the white washing of nationalists by the media. kent mcclellan grew up as a skinhead and joined a nationalist group, american france in high school. he's also served time for beating emigrants and was detained by the f. b, i in 2012 for preparing a terrorist attack and florida with the american front and nationalist group. he's been a member of the ukrainian volunteer co of the nationalist at rights thick to groups in 2014 and arsic group, such as as of a motion ukraine, off to a us supported coup in 2014 members, all these radical military grips were accused. and if

a convicted of numerous crimes against civilians, the most notorious of which was called tornado members of the group, were accused of torturing, raping and killing civilians with some subsequently found guilty by ukrainian courts. however, earlier this year, president zalinski government were least, tornadoes, leda, and several of its members to fight against russia. bone face also told the interview with that t recruited fight as full as off in the us and discussed a horrifying incident where tornado members asked him to photograph of fighters standing next to corpses of a lynched pregnant woman and her husband. bone face hands also slammed nato, saying the alliance is direct involvement in the conflicts within the mind. the ukrainian nationalist schools i support is off to the fullest, but i don't support nato or the you. but ultimately, i feel as if nato gets involved, there won't be anything, as far as a nationalist goes worth or left fighting for. he has apparently confirmed that

during this his time in ukraine, he witnessed contacts between the hours of the battalion, the c i a, the pentagon, which he say is conducted intelligence operations and the don't bus investigative journalists, alex reuben signed, say, washington doesn't have any control over the american neo nazis, he would travel to ukraine to fight. i've reported previously that the department of homeland security ah, has sla, little grasping in their own internal documents. they've admitted this little grasp on the number of white nationalists going over there. no mechanisms and in place to prevent them from using their training on the battlefield and bringing it to the streets of the united states. so because naziism has been able to find a safe space and, and really a renaissance in ukraine since 2014 i just as we're sending in weapons, you know, people,

the people who use them are going to be coming back out. absolutely. they're being used as a weapon against russia. i mean, it's, it's for the same reason that you know, the cia and the pentagon supported jihadists, rebels and syria is because these people who are quite frankly, mentally ill, ah, are willing to die on the battlefield. the most committed soldiers are going to be the most ideological ones. so, and i want to point out it's not just as of battalion, the right sector, which was a leading force and the my don qu, and continues to operate on the battlefield. president zalinski himself is honored, a commander of the right sector, who has sworn that he does, that he feeds russian children to wolves. um and century, another neo nazi. i ukrainian military formation. there's, there's a whole, a collection of these ha, nazi groups in ukraine that are on the front lines and have been quite frankly, since 2014 um and i fear that you know,

the hyper focused on just the ass of battalion obscures how are prevailing this issue actually is me while support of such clamped by the west has already had serious consequences. off the italian police said one, no, no secret was planning terrorist attacks my members of the group named auda of hagel at the port and he connected to as of no less than the organization has been accused of inciting racial hatred in spreading anti semitism. alex rubinstein, who broke the story on the group save the news, went completely unnoticed by american mainstream media. yesterday this, the story that i reported on was the biggest story in italy. in mid november, the italian police arrested this neo nazi sel, called the order of ha gaul, a terrorist group, arrested on charges of association with the purposes of, of terrorism and subverting the democratic order. one of the members, and he was planning an attack on a police station,

another member they were unable to arrest because she's embedded with the as a battalion and ukraine. he was planning an attack on a shopping center near naples. this was all over an italian meta on november 15th noah. no united states media has covered this. it didn't take some kind of journalistic wizardry to find the report on the story, and it merely took an interest. reuters associated press all the big name, american outlets. their editors are aware of the story and of refuse to report on it, because it's inconvenient for the nato proxy work. early this month, the russia introduced a draft un resolution aimed at combating niko. if occasion of neo naziism on movements feeling racial discrimination, the resolution was adopted, but i have a 50 countries voted against it, including the u. s. and ukraine, italian journalist and historian angelo to oh, so the o. c stays the way.