a did you have regarding joe, by imposing these sanctions on russia? you know, has destroyed the american economy. mr. bursher boomerang a, a headline, finality, international. the hague acquits the russian national over 2014 accidental down and got a 17 in. don't basketball, finding 3 other stuff, bag guilty book. so claiming most good as a cold admit, the perpetrators were not to rush and military service then with claim to cranium forces allegedly executed. 39 people in house on 50 of the key as the troops took over. well, another 70 who have reportedly been taken to an unknown location also this out

for the month, one move to the street of the pieces of trap. we follow russian troops on the battlefield in don't bad weather. ukrainian military is stepping up. it was thought to break through defensive lines. a form of polish man has called the deadly miss calling to them in the countries east ukrainian provocation and external writing military aid to me, while the ukrainian government insist that the incident should encourage nato to be tougher on more stuff with hello and welcome to the international coming to you live from moscow with the very latest world news that good to happy with us. this out, that we start with the hague, which is sometimes 3 people to live in. and i'm censure for the unintentional

downing flight. i made 17, which was shot down over don't bass in 2014. and the suspects that to russians and one ukrainian have denied the involvement a full suspect russian national lead, pooler told, has been acquitted. as the court failed to find enough evidence against him. his how the hague describes the decision is not over them and you see the civil defense presented as an argument that the prosecutor's office has a constantly one sided view which has been upheld throughout the entire investigation. the essence of the defense line is that the prosecutor's office has adopted the point of view of the ukrainian special services from that point is that the prosecutor received many materials from ukraine security service. however, the prosecutor's office has also carried out its own investigation and has confirmed the origin of the materials provided the details. now from ortiz, marina conser with marina. thank you for joining us. could you tell us more about the vertex place? yes,

well 2 russians and one ukranian were found guilty for murder and for causing an aircraft to crash. and there were some since in a sense to life imprisonment and also order to pay $60000000.00 euros to the families of the victims. the court found that a major 17 was brought down by a russian made miss style, and that it was fired from a farm field near a bit of a mice in eastern ukraine. and that those 3 were responsible for transporting the massage from a military base. apparently, in russia, ukraine, and then back after the tragedy. now, even though it's on the clear who pulled the trigger, as the judge put it, there were still responsible for transports. net, which is why they convicted them. now or 4th, suspect, the russian citizen was acquitted. he was the only one who had lawyers presented him in court, and they acquitted him due to insufficient evidence. they could not prove that he

was involved in the deployment of the messiah, or that he could have done anything to prevent it. the courts also said that all intercepted conversations between the 4 suspects were actually legitimate. and what's interesting is that they were not working as the group, but apparently one of them was received in some sort of orders from moscow. again, on clear as to who actually pulled the trigger, who orders for them to pull the trigger. that remains unknown. they have 2 weeks to file an appeal. and what's also interesting is that the judge said that this matter is not a matter of an international conflict. it's unclear exactly what he meant by that. so that was an interesting observation there. and again, 2 weeks, 2 for the suspects to appeal. and we'll see if they actually do that. marina. many thanks for the update that thought, even though rena caused that with the details back in july 2014. when the plane was

shot down of a dorm bath, western countries were quick to assign blame long before any investigation had even started. and i'll see that steve sweeney reports. the west has its own, i receive over what happened to the plain. it says that moscow sent back to miss r launches to so called militants and don yeske. and that the miss all that struck the plane with russian stallion, the netherlands, she, the strongest commitment, keep retaining and defending the rules vice order. such a day. we are not seeing that we have initiated legal proceedings against the russian federation in the international civil ideation organization for the downing of malaysia aliens flat mit 17. while it says the intercepted conversation with prove that what it describes as pro russian militants launched a war head, the west has its own. i received over what happened to the plane. it says, but moscow sent buck missile launches to so called militants in don yeske. but russia also has hard evidence that is simply being ignored. investigators are

acting very one sided lea, ignoring important materials provided by the russian side, including that the miss our launch a could not have been delivered to the militants, little mac, and they're certainly we do not have documented information that the militia sees the book system and missiles for it, i remind you that ukrainian officials have repeatedly stated that not a single anti aircraft system or missiles were seized by the malicious. therefore, i think that ukraine itself has denied such a possibility. while the russian defense minisey says it's who has intercepted phone calls hinting at ukrainian involvement numbers, but is raining. we'd have an audio recording of a telephone conversations between ukrainian service man made in 2016. an analysis of its content confirms the earlier conclusions of all the t rex involvements or the ukranian site. and malaysian boy crash me in the cause ukrainian colonel roseanne greene jack blaine's key of soldiers and say something like guys,

if something like this happens, we will shoot down one more. boeing rushes, defense ministry has also debunked evidence that the buck miss are larger with even on pro russian territory and says that photos have been altered according to his own information. moscow says that the missiles could not have been fired from don yeske. as for the evidence of the missile launch, we see the absence of convincing evidence from the joint investigation groups version that the missile was launched from pit of my ski. indeed, the pictures and intercepted telephone conversations did not tell us anything about the possibility that miss al could have been launched from this song controlled by the denounced people's republic. the serial number of the mythical engine is from a batch path to ukraine. but when it was part of the u. s, as all in the 1980s does, le, known the serial numbers of the nozzle and engine, it became possible to determine the number of the rocket. the rocket was assembled

on december 24th 1986 on december 29th, 1986. the rocket was sent by rail to military unit 20 slash 152 part of the car path him military district and station in the turnip will region of the craning ussr after the collapse of the soviet union. it wasn't withdrawn to the territory of the russian federation and was incorporated into the armed forces of ukraine. but war, these facts and evidence be considered. it's hi the unlikely them the wish. there are many questions and no one asks the americans to show data from satellites, which as they said, irrefutably proved the correctness of the investigation. the investigation simply recorded that the american side has such satellite images and this statement is enough for the investigation. one could continue the list of such absurdities, outright violations of the principles of impartiality. sweeping obvious facts under the rug, russia expects the final verdict to be highly politicized global douglas,

and when the decision is announced, we will certainly speak out on this matter. but now we are closely following the process, primarily because we're talking about russian citizens who are defendants. at this stage, we're seeing attempts to create the impression that this is not a criminal case, but a state problem because allegedly of russia led these people. this is absolutely unacceptable. whatever the outcome, the west will probably continue to blame russia while it struggles to justify the continued supply of arms and money to extending the conflict in ukraine or less. this guy said this with ortho and will correspond and thomas roper, he joins in the studio now. many thanks. the coming in mr. epa always nice to see of course. so as we know, the hey kids found 3 suspect skills he and acquitted b only defend and he was representing court by a lawyer, while old for suspects had denied the accusations against them. what's your reaction to the ruling? was it expected fee?

i'm not suppressed. i'm absolute not surprised or general from everything. i know. i think there was, i didn't have enough evidence really for a court case even because, well, they didn't read in the russian evidence. i have been many questions regarding the ukranian evidence. so i the fact that the started via the court process was from the already signed that term, how it will end. as he goes, i mentioned that it has rejected the evidence presented by the russian company that produces the book missiles systems. so what do you make that decision? another still be quite low and the russians show that the official worship, which is promoted in the netherlands, couldn't be really true. so if they would have accepted the russian evidence, they would have a problem with the, with the court decision, which they political want to have. so it was obvious that they didn't visit the, the hate as, sorry, as to russians was sentenced enough censure. well,

moscow was already refused to hand them over to the hague for trials. so how do you see the case proceeding from here? well, in general i have, i have a problem with court cases an absence because i think they have to wait to have the people because i hope you can make a report process without, without having a defendant. so if it's possible by their never landlord. ok. but anyway, this is already suspicious for me. they claims that the buck miss also and shot down the plane had been moved into don't bass from russia and then back into russia again. however, the court has stopped short of accusing moscow. well, the russian military, directly with your assessments of these accusations, i don't understand this at all because i know the, the so called evidence would show us that the book is coming from russia and coming to russia. and this is mainly based on what the spelling, kansas pres presented. and i've seen the bell and kept work in 2014 when it was fresh. they added very much afterwards, which doesn't make it better. but in general,

this is nothing. i think the court could even work on so, and why they know, say, well, it's the russian book, but russia is not not guilty or whatever. i don't understand this at all. this is from you. it's looks like a political scene. and as i mentioned, western countries were quick supply. moscow for the downing of the plane, even before the official investigation. it even started not that the hey, has delivered his verdict, which has failed to implicate mosca will sort of reaction you expect from the west . the usual thing, the west for now, the west, the media will say russia exclusive, they remember the case. they will use it on the scene of the, of the things which happen in today. so this is just another part of the us. and to ration media hype to what, what propaganda, and then we'll use it in this way. let's just say that ukraine should have been responsible for closing its s space, as katie allowed that plane to enter his territory amid the heavy fighting that was going on in dawn bass at the time. does it look like cave us take enough

responsibility for us? not at all, and by the way the reference is right in this case because i know this case very well and they grounded their shop down plain. i was this was this to 25. remember dried several days before the dawning of image, 17 and the plane was in the height of 6000 meters, which means they have been already, systems not like sting this or something more effective. and after that, the aspects should have been closed because it was clear that there are missiles, systems which are able to grow even passenger jets and 12000 decides. so this really is the fact, and i think the predict is very useful for ukraine because otherwise now the passengers of the renters of having just put up for compensation. and one quite interesting detail is how the pentagon had said had previously said it had the image is proving that the missile was far from don't. yes, but it refused to make them public. what would they withhold such information and

does it look like the hate has considered all of these things? well, i don't know what that, what the heck is this considered? but it's really interesting from the 1st day of the pentagon said we have images, we have radar data, we have whatever except for saying we have them, nobody has seen them. so what they showed the quote may be secretly, but how can of course then make this just i don't know. so these pentagon stories are very strange from the 1st day when that when they're playing, and don't you think that this particular case, that's a precedent in the future cases involving you either western allegations against russia. they will use of whatever. but let's forget, the us have grounded shut down, shut down, and i want you to play in the eighty's. nobody said anything, no, sorry, no compensation, nothing. the western politics and media use these things that they want. and that's the point. and we will see this again, the speaking, hey walter, and we'll correspondent thomas rather many thanks for coming into the studio. we always appreciate your insights and your expertise on the matter. thank you so much . thank you. let's take you to russia's here. so now what reports came

ukrainian forces have allegedly executed 39 residency was supporters of moscow awarding for you here you might find the following images upsetting. these are unverified images which surface online. they purport to show men from the region with their faces covered, and their hands tied reports alleged that another 74 people have been taken out of the city by ukrainian troops to an unknown destination. meanwhile, in russia, in belgrade region, one person has been badly wounded in the later ukrainian shelling from across the border. now, according to russian officials, caves military use rocket artillery launches to bombard the city should be, i can a one show hate a residential house crashing through the roof and seriously wounding a 15 year old girl who's now being treated in hospital local authority. so they will provide the effective civilians with all the help they need to restore their home. meanwhile,

a series of explosions have worked multiple regions in ukraine with k of apparently among the cities hit ukrainian officials. a confirmed miss also landed in the eastern city of the nico patrol, skating gas infrastructure, and causing power outages. the city of a dancer in the country south has also been hit with local authorities. they're saying infrastructure was damaged. a number of explosions were also reported in several western cities, including level and 5th parcels are also reported to be raging on the front line and don't boss not a more down step. so how russian soldiers operate and look guns clip public where care forces continue to unsuccessfully, attempts to break through defensive lines. the caribbean, naya slat though, front, perhaps the most violent segment of the front lines. here, you must always be alert. the sky itself has eyes. oh, there you see the band and the clouds. it's flying towards it. do you see it?

yes, yes, there it is. drones, boof, russian and ukrainian are ever present. always watching for movement for heat. oh, for tracks. it is always best to stay in cover until they are taken down. oh leave . you never know which one might have a grenade attached to it. our hosts were a mortar team. they've been fighting since february, and plan hon, keeping at it until the end. but it is their armament that draws attention. it is not something that you encounter very often and it can cover in car quadrant. the drones had left new targets had come in. it was time to get to work. this is the what she look an automatic mine launch a. so what this does is fuzz could sets of 82 millimeter mines and legs,

the math in the check book formation. so each one next to the other. in all 40 my go to be launched. 40 month each one smooth blows into $600.00 pieces of shrapnel militia as opposed here. they're going to correct your argo correct. couldn't watch it while capable of disgorging a $170.00 mortar rounds per minute. each with a lethal blast radius of 30 meters. it takes a lot of preparation. first, you load the propelling cartridge, then you tie that propel in charge. there are different ways of doing that. lastly, you screw in the fuse. that said they were quick. almost 9 months of warfare has honed their skills,

but they know that this will end this conflict tomorrow will 6 months. it will eventually end. they have faith with them. i've enjoyed it so will leave by only enough to meet the boys. are all holden on? oh, there were champs. we have students and pension age man. despite it all their spirit, a strong more i guess the of our tea from logan screeching. poland said, we think it stands towards ukraine after a deadly blast on its borders. that's one the foreman there of the polish city of lupin. who asked that the incident is a provocation, named and boosting further military aids tick? yes. of course. this is a ukrainian rocket. of course. this is a provocation on the part of the ukranian authorities. the rocket could not be fired 100 kilometers in the opposite direction by mistake. the purpose of the provocation is to accelerate the supply of weapons to ukraine,

to intimidate europe without terrible russia. so that civil society demands an increase in assistance to ukraine from the governments of european countries. was he further discuss this last cross live at to academic and independent journalist jason michael levy to have you on the program? nice to see you. i wouldn't this be a good time to tell you who we think it's stance on you trends confess, considering the to death center that the landscape denying responsibility, especially when it comes to further military aid. i think this is a time for everyone to be rethinking. in fact, that time came quite some time ago when we were looking at the standoff, but the thought of portion a nuclear plant. we have seen a ukrainian regime add dedicated to this process of trying to drive natal on the european countries into this war. and there's, there is a form of not formal, there is a brinkman ship being played on the part of the ukrainian military authorities and

its government. but quite frankly, is a dangerous situation to how europe, in the full measure of the publicity of local and has called the block, the provocation. and it accelerating the supply of weapons. the key of what you will take on that statement. well, to be perfectly honest, i don't know if it has been a deliberate provocation. i am no expense on smart munitions. but i understand that the s 200 is a thoughtless to a message for, for defensive purposes. and as far as i understand these things that they can't seeking on this perfectly possible to be very kind that these and this message went off track in the hunt for the car to get on his land by mistake is the kindest way to feed us. but certainly what has been used is definitely one way or has 1st of all being presented with president the landscapes, denial of it being

a russian munition, as a deliberate attack from russian forces on an e member state on the natal member. so whether it has been an accidental software to explain what's going on time the or hands are the, the may have had the made of liberal has said it has been by a deliberately in the wrong direction. then both to the same thing, ultimately a provocation on the part of ukraine. helen's president is now set the key as representatives are not allowed to participate in the probe into the bloss. can you say that affects the relations between the 2 countries? between poland and ukraine. yes, i can see yes, there are historical and political reasons why ukraine on poland can be quite frosty with one another. and i can see that being the nearest neighbor. and of course, on effectively the, the, the,

the closest point of contact between the european union and nato and the conflict. and you claim that yes, the expectation of the ukrainian forces is that the european union and nato will get the help. and of course the, the territory feeling the, the heat will start and now you're feeling the damage of that is pull him. so yes, you can see the demands of ukraine not being met by poland as an increase in the frost developing between the 2 states. and what do you think poland is inclined to request an official nato inquiry into the incident? it may be a simple matter of trust. it has been clear from salton berg's position, that this is not being, you know, treated the way the ukrainian government would like to be treated. but there is also the fear that elements within natal may wish for best to be treated the

exactly the provocation. and as a reason for further, you know. ready natal involvement so i can understand why poland would like for this to be treated regionally rather than globally. that would that would, that would make more sense. and then how significant do you think this incident is when it comes to the big picture? at the moment it looks as though it's quite insignificant though, as we know from almost every previous war that has expanded its insignificant incidences that can, you know, in a sense light, the touch paper world war one was triggered by a peripheral event in saudi able with a, the assassination of an arch juke, etc, etc. and yes, in and of itself, this is insignificant, it can be seen of collateral damage. it could be understood as a mistake. but in a heart conflict situation, those mistakes, if acted rationally upon me,

could yellow become the flash point for something far bigger and far more dangerous . so it's a better off call me and column b. so michael, academic and independent journalist, thank you so much for talking to us today. really appreciate your thoughts and your insight. thank you. well, meanwhile, ukrainian presidential advisor, we have tried to put a positive spin on the incident, this or miss all london, poland, killing 2 people, mccalla petroleum continues to defy global opinion by caving russia. ukraine was responsible stress that the incident should encourage nato to be tougher. moscow, i think this is a good story within the framework of which we will once again discuss the formats of our relations with our partners to avoid any ambiguity. this will allow nato countries to develop a tougher attitude in terms of protecting that territory. this is not the 1st time when a rocket has flown into the territory of another country. accordingly,

the war in ukraine in such a large country, of course, will affect the territories of other countries. meanwhile, president vladimir lensky urging ukrainian specialists to participate in an international probe into what he called russian aggression on the polish border. he doubles down on claims that russia was responsible for the under the air force and commander in chief, the lose knew that it was not our missile and not our missile strike. i have no reason not to trust them because i've been through this whole with them. i believe this is a russian missile based on our military reports. it's profitable. well, it's definitely an interesting story because most of kiev, the biggest supporters, i mean, we're talking about us, the u. s. nato. poland itself are all saying that the evidence points to ukraine in terms of who owns that rocket that landed on polish territory and killed 2 polish people and still ladders. one sky is clean onto this narrative that russia launch

the missile, despite the fact that nobody is blaming he have a for being at fault here. the west is still incorrectly claiming that russia it was the initial aggressor in the ukrainian conflict. and so somehow they're still saying it's moscow's fault, but at any rate, he basically stubborn clinging to this rejection of the facts, it's really frustrated. a lot of people in the west, even one diplomat from a nato country, reportedly told the financial times that this is really hurting the west's confidence in the key averaging. this is getting ridiculous. the ukrainians are destroying our confidence in them. nobody is blaming ukraine and they are openly lying. this is more destructive than the missile. now, one might be able to understand why it wouldn't be easy for key of to back track on this at this point. because a, when this actually happened just moments after we got wind of this incident, we heard from ukraine's foreign minister, who said that it was a const, a russian conspiracy theory to say that that missile was launched from

a ukrainian missile defense system. that it was a ukrainian missile. and then after that zalinski actually called for action to be taken in against russia for all this as if he was ready to bring every one into a potential 3rd world war over all this. and again, those statements were made immediately after we got wind of this incident before the facts were established, but they've been established now and key of still not going back on that. the most shocking of all of these events happened back in march of this year when a and an unidentified drone actually flew through the air space of to nato countries, only to crash in the capital of croatia after running out of fuel. it was later determined that this was launched from ukraine and that was definitely confusing for the croatian president as well because nobody was actually hurt as a result of this. but also nobody noticed that it was flying through that air space . so the croatian president was very confused about that and also mentioned that it

was launched from ukraine. let's take listen what he said. how was it possible for an old style aircraft to spend more than one hour in the sky over nato member countries and no one notices it. the situation is that the u. a. v flew from the territory of ukraine and crashed in zagreb when the fuel ran out of it is also the issue of ukrainian under sea mines in the black sea because around the same time as this correlation incident, we were getting reports that turkey had begun to find a number of ukrainian under sea mines that had become dislodged and started floating away. you can imagine how dangerous this could possibly be. for all the sea traffic there is in the boss for a straight or the mediterranean sea. this is something that even russia's ministry defense warned about as well because of the, the, the amount of storms that are there. and the fact that storms can dislodge these underwater mines. so, but what's even more interesting is that the key of regime is not facing any consequences for any of this. i mean, it really,

it really seems like the west has created a monster, basically by the endless flow of weapons and money into ukraine and the state there just doesn't seem like it wants to follow anyone's rules. thanks for keeping his company here in our scenes. national went back at the top of you. ah . so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race, his on offense, very dramatic development, only personally and getting to disease. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical time. time to sit down and talk ah, lisa hunter, russian state to.