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missile fired from ukraine by ukrainians landing, and poland clearly demonstrates what can go wrong due to her mistake or miscalculation. of course, the collective west instantly moved towards invoking article 5 of the nato treaty, which means starting world war 3. i cross sucking dangerous times. i'm joined by my guess, anthony kevin in australia. he's a former australian career diplomat, an ambassador to poland, and cambodia in brussels. we have gilbert doctorow, he's an independent political analyst and author of memoirs of an expert manager in moscow during the 19 is an in belgrade. we have james, generous. he's a former us diplomat and former advisor to us senate republican leadership or a gentleman cross i girls and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. gilbert, let me go to you 1st and brussels. what

a week. it has already been, we have this fiasco with a missile being fired that they landed in poland. of course, every will go, one goes on edge, but you know, i've been talking about this ever since the started the conflict and actually before and i've always and many other people have predicted exactly a situation like this that could get out of control. unfortunately, gilbert, there seemed to be people that wanted to go to the next step. this is where we are in very dangerous times. thankfully, a number of people have taken a step back away from the brink. your thoughts on this situation? gilbert? what happened this week? looked very much like a false flag operation in which russia would be hold out in front of the world. in this particular case, in front of nato. as they would enter into talks about invoking article for abrupt she's an article 5, it looked very much like a full flag operations, one like force flag operations that had been in the recent past. and i would go

back here to the next 17 of what to the false flag and sir syria over alleged chemical attacks by the bunch, not the regime. the issue here was stopped in its tracks by united states that tells us a couple of when the president, biting a few hours after news of this missile strike. and poland told reporters that he had reason to believe that russia was not behind it. that changed the game. this is the 1st time in any such potential force flag operation. states has been in one to pull the plug in at all, and to say that it has the reconnaissance information, right? that cruise for the troops to their satisfaction that the missile was not fired from russia. similar reconnaissance information surely was available for the image

17, but was not put him to play back then. the issue was one of the, a simply propaganda war. information war just created russia and to bring in to sanctions. if this particular for a swag proceeded, implications were far more devastating. it would, since russia and denied to join states, nato are in a proxy war. it will escalate it into a real war which has as just logical conclusion, a nuclear exchange. okay, not really. we saw the united states step back, which hasn't done in the past. had united states use the information that it was available to state because the russians were not responsible, that's a dramatic change and so printed a hopeful change. well, let me go to anthony in australia. hopefully, maybe this could be a trend because we've had 10 months of this horrific propaganda in a one sided narrative. and, and what happened this week,

if you go up to the brink here and this is the nightmare that you know, going back to dr. strange love, if you will. i agree with gilbert that you know, it was good at the us took a step back. but if we look at everything over the last few months, encouraging the zelinski regime to do these or get involved in these kinds of affairs. i mean there has to be some lessons learned from that. your thoughts, gilbert? i'm sorry, anthony. in australia. i agree with gilbert, was a very dangerous man, and i don't necessarily agree with him that it was a deliberate, false flag. grimes, i think lensky has a bit of a habit of being highly irresponsible, irrational, most. i think he opportunistically tried in his usual way to take advantage of what was a military mistake on the part of the ryan. and he craft miss launches,

who sent it off in the direction of poland, which was obviously not what they intended to do. and the land you optimistically thought. well, you know, let's, let's try and make a out of this. and he failed. and i think it's really important that as gilbert says that the united states and this means that the spell has been broken. and i will says little boys cried will too often. perhaps you think something changed in the way in which the west now thinks about lindsay? yeah. well, well, we'll see with this lame dot congress if they're going to give 37600000000 more dollars. we'll see if that happens. or james, i mean, can you explain something to me? you have the lensky and his gang wanting to do everything in their power to have get nato into a hot war with rush. it's a proxy war with russia now, but get into a hot war. ukraine doesn't come out very well, and in a hot war, does it?

can you explain to me why they're so keen on it go ahead in belgrade work? well, let's be clear that the is the lensky regime and that's what i would want to call. it doesn't really care about the ukrainian people or about ukraine. they're the voice of hysterical russel phobia that that really only defines their concept of ukraine in opposition to russia. and by any means necessary, they will, if they can drive the western powers into this more, i don't think it's time to the champagne corks. yes, that the west has begun the road wake up about what kind of danger white summit they allow. zalinski and his crowd to drag us in, but it is encouraging. i saw a piece in the financial times recently that some of there's some constant consternation among nato governments that they believe the ukrainians are lying to them. they're not playing straight with them and whether it was deliberate or inadvertent, that dismissal ended and all, and i think some of them are belatedly starting to see the danger that they're in and on top of everything else. i don't think this is the kind of shenanigans we see

from a country that believes in is winning this war with, despite all the propaganda that ukrainians are winning the russian pullback from prayer song and so forth it's, it's pretty clear that the gradients are, i think reaching the end of the road. yeah, well, gilbert, i mean it's something that i've said many times in this program. in this context of this conflict, the big party that escalates means that's the party that's losing ok. and the party that is losing will use as much propaganda and, and change the narrative as much as possible in its favor thoughts, gilbert? well, in the, in the west, in mainstream media. the notion that ukraine is losing is out of play. the story we're here on the b, b, c that every one of their news, their news hours or on your own news is that ukraine is winning and the spirit strong. and that on the contrary, the russian army, which has a morale problem. now the best that can be said is that the media are telling us

that a winter is coming and the war will wind down. and this is a good time for negotiations. why exactly russia would want to enter into action at this point when. so then sky adamantly post it, here's another question, but the likelihood is quite different from what the expectations of readers of western media would find. the likelihood is the russians will go on the counter offensive in the middle of winter, which is the logic of their 220000 soldiers were finishing their, their training for this effort. these are reservists who aren't inducted for indefinite period to sit in trenches. there. war will continue and the russians will smash ukraine. and i think general milly understands that that is why there were voices in washington. no cold trying to go see it's not because it's, it's a good point particularly,

but because they know the lot worse is to come for ukraine after the new year. yeah . well, anthony, i don't want to sound like put too much of a hard line or but if they're in negotiations and as far as i can see, it's ukraine, the negotiations for ukraine to surrender, to avoid what gilbert just said, go ahead, anthony. pretty much the question is the longer the fanatics in p f, keep the sing going more territory like the cry and risk losing permanently. and i want to mention this continuing attack on the ukrainian power grid because it's, it's absolutely crucial bullish. i mean, at the moment it's minus 7 in level the wolf has lost 80 percent of it had our peers has lost something like 67 or 70 years and this can't go on much longer. and the point is the ration right. continuing,

not stopping. and the ukrainians have no effective way of stopping these very, which are actually targeted missiles which cause almost no casualty, by the way, hitting their targets and simply destroy anthony. if i could just, if i could just jump in here before we get to the break here. so this $37000000000.00 the by the ministration wants to say, is that going to change the electricity grid and ukraine anytime soon? no, to me. oh, i mean, you can, you can import all the weapons you want, but if you haven't got electric power, he can't do very much with them. i think ukraine is going to collapse really quite quickly. the war effort is going to collect really quite quickly. lensky crew left floundering around desperately. what? what i did in valley was desperate failed. everything is failing. i think it's going to unravel. you come together for russia rather quickly. okay,

let me get a james here. 40 seconds before the break here, but ukraine is winning. what's wrong with all of us on this program, james? go ahead. 40 seconds before we go to the break. well, i tell you here in the balkans i hear a lot of concern from my serbian friends that russia not fall into the trap that they fell into in the 1990 is where every time they had a military advantage, they'd stop and say ok now let's move on toward an agreement. let's have a cease fire. let's negotiate in good faith and then found out that those, those, that was not in good faith from the other side. and i, you know, the russians need to think seriously about this, that when they do have the advantage, will they press the advantage where they stop and talk to their western partners of no intention of keeping any promises? yeah, well i think they have learned that lesson here. and i think if you look at the rhetoric that is coming out of russia is that they, they pretty much know the score and who they're dealing with here. and that's exactly what we're going to talk about when we come back from break gentlemen. i'm jumping in here, we're getting to which our break and after that short break,

we'll continue our discussion on dangerous time, staying with our team. ah a with a oh when i was shooting wrong, when i just don't want you to see how it is the, becomes the advocate and engagement equals the trail. when so

many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah, welcome back. across like were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing dangerous times with okay, let's go back to gilbert's in brussels. gilbert lucas staying with this incident happened this week. here. it seems to me the in the, the zelinski regime and it's backwards. they wanted to achieve 2 things. number one, i'm not necessarily world war 3, but to keep the coalition of the so called, willing together because it's beginning to fray huh. in winter setting in, in western europe to not just in ukraine and also to keep the spirit on,

keep the money flowing because everyone know, we don't know what the next congress is going to do. i have very little faith in republicans, but you know, they do have that they, they will have charge of the purse. will they start thinking about how much money they get to spend to you to ukraine instead of a denying it to american families? we will see. so it basically keeps the coalition of the willing together and keep the money flowing that, that, that did serve its purpose here. go ahead gilbert, you're really accounts for nothing. europe, as a follower had best. you saw what happened in the initial reaction to the missile strike and poems, the baltic face immediately seized on this as sound. and they sounded like loud speakers for kids. they were calling for info cation of, of article 5. they were naming russia directly responsible. but give me hang on gilbert, you because i want to unpack what you just said here. so we have the baltic states

calling for the. so if there is a hot war between nato and the boss thinks page of the 1st the go, i mean, i, again, i don't understand the rationality of these people that are so anxious to have a hot military conflict with russia. can you explain it? well, you know, again, the same issue that was brought up by my fellow talent analysts that mr. zelinski does not, is not concerned about the ukrainian people and is only concerned about this ideological war on russia and new identity for ukraine. the same is true of the baltic states and several other states in what were formerly warsaw pact, countries. the leadership in these countries was installed, but they're not staged in almost as stage managed away. as misters against his predecessors. in february, 2014 were installed in data. they are american agents or not. some of them have american citizenship. well yes it is. so for them to line,

they all were prepared for the roles they now enjoy. they are serving united states . they are given. busy honors and importance in european affairs that far outweighs their economic or cultural or any other dimension. you want to measure importance to europe. so they are, they are jackals. it is interesting that they were snubbed and shed and sucked out at once when mister bite and said what he did about this not being a firing by a missile, by, by russia, and go back to your question. what will happen in europe? europe will follow what united states tells europe to do, and any differences and cleavages that we see in your, between france and germany and germany and the baltics are all in whatever. these are insignificant, they will not lead to a change in the situation in the east west confrontation,

the change the situation will be in washington depending on, as you say, the political calculus, domestic politics, calculus in the united states. when the price of this becomes too big, considering the other demands on the, on the federal budget and when the rational rationality and the truth coming out of p. s is, is questioned further in a way to even the financial times. question today. as jim said, when i go back to australia, anthony, i mean the again, you know, one of the things i keep stressing ever since is complex started than if people want to talk about negotiations and diplomacy. well, no. we had a whole lot of that before february 24th. okay. russia sent out it's the security demands to nato into the united states. very clearly stated what they want. there's not going to be any negotiations and diplomacy. those issues are not met. okay.

because i think all of us in agreement here, the zalinski crowd doesn't care much about ukraine. russia is gone and protected its own co, no russian speakers. and then you know, the united states. well, that's just a, you know, a casino for them, and a whole lot of corruption, i would say, you know, but russia's is going to say, look, we told you what we want and that those things haven't really changed. or can the west, particularly washington and london come to grips with the fact that all russia has security interest as well. go ahead and australia will. busy there's a total difference in town coming out of moscow since the 24th of february and it really the difference in time started about a month ago. and now we've got a very, very hard headed roster indeed. looking, looking at the west, very coldly, keeping in touch with the west dialogue going on the level of burns and the level

of through shift to his opposite number in washington. so those 2 dialogues are going on, cia and national security level dialogues. and, but they're 2 different quality all together. i think russia is now basically laying an out to washington saying you've lost it's going to get worse and worse for long. you. ringback go on, supporting the lunatic, and just cut your losses and get out as quickly as you can. and it's just a question of how quickly that message gets through in washington. that's why i don't know how quickly this little in, but i have a feeling. it's going to embrace more quickly than the pessimists think. james, i can, i tend to agree with anthony. your thoughts, james? yes, just a footnote on what you asked peter regarding congress to the republicans, whether by fair means or foul did not as well in these elections. and he thought they might. but even if they had, it really would have changed march,

even though you might get a few more trumpet populace who by can consider the wisdom of wars like this, the republican leadership. and i remember i worked in that in, in that context for 17 years republican leadership is thoroughly controlled by a neoconservative outlook on the world. if anything, they're more critical of the democrats for not being supportive enough of ukraine and not being hostile enough to adopt to russia. they may grouse a little bit about, oh, let's account for the spending, where's all the money going and so forth. and even that just window dressing, so i don't expect my change in that quarter. the only way this is going to change from washington is and maybe the financial times indic where was a little bit of an indication of that, that even some of the, the people have been proponents of us war for a very long time. at some point, get to the edge of a really severe conflict. that would be a not capable of containment. and they stayed on the edge, look down the best and say, oh boy, we better pull back from that. they haven't reached that point yet. i hope they

will, if, as we expect there is, as you say, i think, i think very strong russian offensive coming up with this winter. well, gilbert, how does, after all of the investment in investment, in every sense of the term? how does the west them gracefully lose this one? ok, can they, or will they continue to up the ante? will they continue to escalate? because the way it's framed in the west is this is x is that we have to fight him over there before the ably fight over here. ok, which is completely idiotic. ok. but that's how it's framed. ok. how do you walk away from that gilbert? walk away, they will, i wouldn't worry about it. now the world didn't end with united states for that. or when we see know on, on television, is it constant repetition, the same mantra, the ukraine is doing well when we all know it isn't doing well. and they will find a way to cover up the loss,

the same roads and discussion with journalists, which the end of the pentagon said russia, ukraine can possibly muster the force to send the russians out of its territory. he also open that discussion with the remark that the russians can possibly take over all the ukraine or willingness war. so they will find a way to, to explain what happens as being after all the russians didn't, when it walk away. you guys, i think, i think guilford's. absolutely. brian is that, you know, when they get the somehow no matter what the outcome is, if there's a change in care of whatever it still russia lost is conflict. that's how they're going to do it. because essentially, that's all their message is, is a narrative and propaganda, anthony. yeah. if i could come in there, i think russia will, will help america find a soft landing going america does decide that it's going to cut its losses and

stuff supporting the landscape in any serious way the russia has a lot of options. i mean, do not be cation and the militarization of ukraine. there are many, many ways to skin that cat many, many ways. and it doesn't have to involve roger occupying the whole tribute, right? it might involve some form of raising change, and it might simply involve the weakening of p s, for example, depriving it because the strip it was completely new to the crimes potentially the security threat director and is a blessed that has been stripped permanently and was left with her, you know, an agrarian, northwestern rough country. so i mean, russia will help america find a soft landing. i think that was the james. i'm look, i'm really glad that anthony said that because the it would be in rushes, national interest to do that actually. okay. i know every,

the western media likes to keep everything is binary. you're not agreeing, james, go ahead. i do not agree at all. okay. and, and i think that sort of thinking is very dangerous to the russians. that is wanting to walk away from afghanistan as one thing for the word for net to west nato, especially the united states, which is nato. to walk away from this because that means that the whole purpose of data russians out, americans in germans down, will be shown up to be a paper tiger. the emperor with no clothes at that point, the in the global american empire that we've seen since the end of the 1st cold war is over. this is an existential struggle for washington, not for the american people, not for the united states as a normal state, but for this, this global empire that we've, they, they basically major fortunes on in bed, all their forces on for decades. they cannot easily give this up. maybe this provocation was not the right one. maybe some people are starting to get some cold t here, but i would not count them out yet. and this is where i didn't get back to what my

serbian friends are saying here. the russians for their sake, for their point of view, if they want to be seduced about letting their enemies off easy, not humiliating them. i think that's a very dangerous thinking for them. from their point of view, in my opinion, if i were in their shoes, they had to press for a military victory. v. a. be aware of the dangers that the other side will pull up, its dirty tricks like they did in syria, or in bosnia and other places. we're not out of the woods here yet by any means. that's right. and the, the me victory would be in my mind, the end of nato. that would be a 1st good step generate. great, that's all time we have. i want to thank my guessing in australia, bell, great, and in brussels. i don't think our viewers for watching us here at our tc you next time. remember prospect rolls. ah ah.

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