to thank you very much for your time now, even before the latest midterm elections, you've criticized the biden administration for ineptness, saying that the problem with the liberals is that they believe that own b. s. but this strategy seems to be working out handsomely for them, at least for now, because the mid term results seem to be much better than expected. how do you interpret that? well, i very, the mid term results were better than i expected for the democrats. i would point that the best solution, the united states for having actual results for the electrons are up to one month, 4 weeks before we know who sold which countries while i can wait for them to few hours, how can technologically sophisticated country like the united states spend their entire on counting votes,

and so there's this odd situation in united states where doesn't seem to be stagnant, visible holes in action and get results that are meaningful in timely manner. amy, not be, it may not be good for the country, but it's certainly, it seems to be good for, for the people in power. is that what you're saying? i would put that in the category to be sure for what they wish for because there are really 2 or more attract taking place in united states right now. and you mentioned before that they are driving off to now i would suggest that this is true, pretty much around the world's. i don't see how, for instance, the german people would be going along. whereas the german leadership's participation in this war with winter coming, it seems like

a traffic strategy to man. but a laser most definitely driving us process and from an american perspective on, most of the american people have nothing to do with this. the surgeons are completely removed from the democratic process. and this happens in 2 different ways. i mentioned the electoral system here which it takes amongst apparently to determine the outcome of action. the other aspect to a day that the elections are almost completely removed from the de la sooner and so the american people, i believe, is last to provide good information and left to their own devices. we're calling to are far more recently foreign conclusions are coming to about world events right now. in your article, you mentioned that in your view, at least these

a part of american imperial arrogance is becoming an more. and i think i'm more the such an accurate term here because you're not talking about ending and some may have wished you're talking about becoming unhinged, losing constrains or losing the safeguards that kept it in place before. and we've seen that for a number of years. internationally, with america withdrawing from major arms trees or negating on the commitments that it previously respected. what do you think it's a leading? this is the 1000000 dollar question, oksana we in the united states, and there are people who have a lot of information. people who don't have that information, but we who are paying close attention to this, do not understand it. we do not understand what the plan is. i can articulate what's been said and that is that there is this long term plan

for the united states to ally. we're song nations essentially divide, divide the world in the pcs and but how that's going to work mattress no sense at all. ah, in the present i haven't heard explained it's not being explained to the american people. and so the question is, how will this work? and so you're asking us from moscow, we're trying to understand it here. and the information coming from american ally who are driving this process is historically, are informed. and they are not providing answers as to why being involved in ukraine or around the world of russia makes any sense at all in this particular time. now let me figure, can i see upon this argument of ignorance that you are using a lot in,

in your writing? and i think even though this is not a crime, i mean, we, many of us remember socratic, who used to say that the more i know, the more i know that i don't know. so this is actually a great thing to doubt. you know the dogmas and the recognize the unknown, but i assure that it's sort of genuine, not knowing, as opposed to knowing full well and violence will be preventing others, their own people and the rest of the world from you know, analyzing the reality as it is and experiencing it as it it is, i largely agree with the point that you just made on and discuss me back to the client about lead striving us process. and so the leads have information that they're not sharing. they have logic that they're not sharing. the question is what, what can we do about this? and so i don't believe that there are multiple interests. i'm an economist,

i come from economic backgrounds, what i've done professionally for all these years. and there are you going on? my factors driving us really go back a century. this, the soldier for world war to lease americans and an acquisition because they were to didn't take place in united states. united states participate, but it took place in europe and, and russia. and so we have a different experience for the great patriotic war. and i don't believe that that experience is really understood by the americans, the remaining americans who prosecuted that and the current style just for the 2nd world war isn't saying it was a horrible one of the worst rosshouse rothko dance and your history. well, it was the, the, the blood is a war on the record, but you have

a very interesting point, tying war to economy that i haven't heard many people make before. and this is a distinction between militarism as weaponized, a contest between nations and militarism as a development or profit making strategy. and many of our viewers, i'm sure, are aware of the influence of the military industrial complex has on the american politics and american policy. but you, for example, give an example of a country of believe it who is government united states, a reason to try to undermine which happens to be a major source of a we think that is very valuable for the electric car industry. so i essentially saying that it's not just weapons manufacturers that have benefiting from, from warm making, but also civilian industries that are indirectly dependent on militarism as

a developmental strategy. and that's what i'm saying. and yes, in order to understand it requires going back quite a ways in history. i would suggest 1919. when woodrow wilson, american liberal american, expeditionary force to and all themselves. and the bullshit most of that resolution and to try to negotiate that knows fit in federal or the united states. what was going on there was i'm not sure was, it was fault. it's called 1st world war in russia are not known by that. but that was the 1st industrial war, and it wasn't per word that was our grad for industrial, industrial influence. what came out of that was so you know, the americans and now we have the chinese system coming our mind here. and

so military production is a business in itself the imperial imperative, if you will, is to control resources that go into industrial production. and so i believe that the united states is right now looking at the decision was made about 40 years ago in the us to dan to us realize the contrary to turn it into a financial center, the world's bank, if you will. and i'll leave the industrial production into russia and china and german and others in europe and whatnot. but it cannot fly into those profoundly. and so part of what so difficult to understand about the current circumstance is, what are the economic, what appears to be going on united states is this. that's not having better ideas.

if i may stop here here because i think that's a very interesting point to consider because it's one thing to attack believe here or to try to undermine believe in iraq or any other small or mid sized country. or, for example, to try to benefit from a global conflict as happened for the united states during world war 2. and it's quite another thing to directly challenge a country the size. and i'm sorry to say strength as russia, because it is. and, you know, a formidable partner or formidable enemy that the united states has never been directly involved with. what do you think is the calculus there? because ukraine, in and of itself, does not have that many resources. it has some but you know, rational analysis would suggest that it's not worth putting your, you know, existential interests, your own survival as

a nation on the line in order to get it. so what do you think is ultimately driving this said, you know, decision to pick up the fight with russia? this is one of the great mysteries. i've been an american citizen and paid attention as cold war ended, as it was greatly helped in united states that the us, we partner with russia at the direction of the russian people wanted to take russia in would be facilitated by the united states as a helpful partner after the cold war years, which we suffer through in the united states, as you do in russia through disinformation and just just general militarism this has come in the present to seem like styles or for a trillion plus

a period in human history. and so you're asking for a rational explanation. and as i said earlier, this doesn't make sense to me. because i believe that the way that the united states leadership is looking at it is a world war to frame where they're looking at the historical intentions between russia and germany and china coming online as a giant source of industrial production. and they're not why russia? i mean, it makes no more sense here that does to you. okay, well, it doesn't make sense. mr. here, let's take a break. us very short break right now to think over it, but maybe it'll come back to this very puzzling question. in just a few moments, stay tuned. ah, ah ah

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ah ha, welcome back to the 4th 5th row. can you read all 3 of zan economics. mr. uria, before they break, we were talking about how the american decision to sort of very deliberately pick up the fight with russia doesn't make any irrational or strategic sense. but we're, on the other hand, the russians with that launch of a military operation in ukraine had picked up that fight. and for, for russia, there is no, there is a point of no return after launching that campaign in the ukraine. it's, i think for most people here and they, they understand that it's either we win this war on, you know, on certain terms or the country will perish. do you think the stakes are just as

high for the united states are american existential issues or at least the acts essential interest of the american? the leads involved in this matter. given the economic motors that i perceive to be behind the police actions. a few people making themselves even more rich than they already are, while putting the entire rest of humanity at risk through what appears to be gratuitous military action or if broader, longer history is brought in and can be explained from the russian perspective. but there is a political logic to it, but from the american perspective, no political logic is then applied to this. and so the americans who are actually interested in these questions are such

he returning to our, our tussle by the american minus here. and so if i could bring in environmental concerns as well, it appears that the worst decision where a tiny group with a leads international lease led by the americans are in the position of holding the rest of the scene hostage. the american people who are in a similar position to the russian people, if it, if it, if it's intolerable for certain events to unfold, then that's going to impact the americans through the american response. and there, there does appear once again, i'll say to be this 20 year plan brand strategy. great powers politics are right. how do you? but this is the sound shop. this in the south for an age that is half and the

thanks for so high now. i mentioned the american people in the russian people here together because and i would throw the training on there who are affiliated with the framing military. but we are the people who are going to lose here and believes when, if there's anything to be won. and so i understand the political logic of the russian position. i've gone through the history and can discuss it here. but what's missing is any understand any the understanding to send express by the american away from the military late as to what the long term. but now i want to make use of here, very dramatic and colorful background. and,

you know, when you say that there is no rational explanation, i think there's also an irrational explosive explanation, which, by the way, the russian president often refers to and this is just the believe on the part of south american decision makers and their gods. you know that the, the entire globe, the rest of humanity exists in order to serve them. even though they already have accumulated, you know, more than enough resources that can last families for generations and generations. and yet, for some reason, they want to continue massing more power and more money, even though it directly indirectly damages that own people. because even though the results of the latest elections seem to be in favor of the democrats, it's pretty clear that the level of polarization in the united states is perilous. it's unsustainable, the way it is. no society can exist when divisions, social,

and economic and political divisions are so huge. don't you think that at the end of the day, you know, it's good that it, it came to such a hot point that at the very least this decision and the, you know, the thinking about this problem can no longer be postponed. people will have to react and they will, how have to break through electoral barriers or any other barriers that prevent them from putting their own stamp on on the policies of their contra. there seem to be so many better options that are granting any good outcome from your current trajectory, their current actors and their actions. i wouldn't grant that, i would say i would go back to curse for augusta, the why, when america walk to see best outcomes for

russia here. and this gets back to the snow. hurry, turn oil. this is left over from world war 2, which is left over from world war one, which began and the fundamental difference of systems was no longer excess. i've listened to mister president stages. he's very eloquent, this very bright guy. and i believe that he's got a pretty good grasp of the politics here. and i don't disagree with what it is that you said about the possibly the back and get the sense of a back against the wall. and from my perspective, that's a tragic mistake. and i would suggest that once again, the american people are overwhelmingly decent. and we're, we're controlling,

we're just democratic state, and we, there were actual democratic control of the united states that there would be different outcomes from what i understand i've, i've worked with a number of russians over the years and not russians. and from what i understand, there's this tremendous potential for saturday between the day and if anchoring really that what a lease. and i will say global is the why are coming up where it is more warfare. yeah, well i actually, you know, what i want to say is that, i think the russians are now living the american phase. when they finally realized that they, they want to be themselves, they want to leave on their land, they want to build it. they want to break away from all the american influence, or rather than american dick tad, than the american very clear attempts to put their hands on the

resources of other nations and give them, you know, a glass beads in return. but that brings me to the question of whether the system as it is right now can really exist because it's one thing to pick up the fight against russia. but what the americans are doing is also they are trying to, you know, penalize other countries for not, you know, either joining by a camp or simply being a natural. don't you think that there they themselves destroy the system that they so painstakingly woe and that brought them so many good is do you think that system in and of itself can, can sustain after everything that happened over the last couple of months? now this is the question i'm really, i was for to the american leads who are driving this process. how does returning germany to 1933 conditions benefit united states or russia?

those workers, here's the great depression, are came to power 1930. well, the americans traded with adult people are, you know, that, so it's to, so it's a, it's a good business opportunity. i've written about the american relationships with this sort of something that americans know almost nothing about us. but again, why, why is there any need? logically, in the political logic in the last for creating the crises that are being created. one thing in the united states that i think people haven't thought about is that our energy bills are doubling food prices are going through the ritz. this is been explained as an economic inflation, but this is

a geo political in place. this is what's happening and i'm well enough off so that i can probably afford to heat my house here, but most jobs isn't. and how were a few months away from winner director more center for you and i for many. but what, what if the other side of this one are going to look like if half the german people phrase that europe is in a food crisis and energy crisis and united states this as well? how much support is going to be sustained for an elite, a mess of mass, ms. rush. and it doesn't make sense. it doesn't make sense. and yet it does, because i think both china and russia have had that period of humiliation. i mean,

in china, it's called the center of humiliation in russia it was, you know, those bitter years of the 99 is when we really 8 our humble pie. so to say, so sooner or later, you know that the moment of reckoning comes to any great power or any power that considers to be itself to be greater than it really easy. now we only have a minute or so left, and i want to ask you about your book because it contains a very interesting message. you argue that unless we, as a human collective and i really stress humanity here, you know, all the people that inhabit this beautiful planet behind your back. unless we, as a human collective change the system through a re imagining and changing the ways we relate to the world. human society will ultimately collapse and i agree with it on a very deep so full level. and yet, i think that for many people, it's hard to operationalize it. what would you recommend to each one of us, you know, in american, russia, in pakistan, in south africa, anywhere in the world?

what is it that we can do in our own very little, very humble way that can could use that tiny but vital change? not nothing. this is still a problem to lead. power and control and solving environmental issues are through solving industrial problems, re arranging the way that we work. and the way that we live is the only way forward . this has to don don systematically. and so what i'm hoping is that on the insanity of the current direct trajectory will become apparent to people on time to say ok, we have about 6 months or so to understand the nature of the situation we're living

through and come to terms with it. or, i'm sorry, i'm just not up. well i, you know, i, i am actually because it occurred to me that while they may be very little hold for you're in the united states. we, as russians, we are living, you know, our destiny, our national destiny. and there are many other countries, i speak to people from around the world, and there are many other countries that i no longer playing to the american to, you know, that you know, the american, the leads and that a bold enough to pursue that own path. a path that is in, in synchronicity with the interest of the world that i'm mindful of that all national intro, but they're also mindful of the larger good and how, what to make to get along and to leave and let leave. so i think ultimate, there's something good may come out out of this war, but we'll have to discuss it some other time for the meantime. thank you very much for being with us. and thank you for watching hope to sera again next week and will support ah

ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. a development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk

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