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a white line with the other to the emergency it it'd be push back, police and some by the way, the way the manual charge manually we want and go on and there's people shot, shot the past, they get all the amended, the dead please come right away, did you see him at all? yes, it's a young 20, a white dude, a multiple legal down. what happened at the mother of manuel and the church in charleston, south carolina. in the summer of 2015 was almost to a rhythm to comprehend a white gun been stormed into a bible study. now you church members die right before god another. these people

are in church, around church. what do we know about? oh, this man is, and what is motivation may have been said, are you rape our women and you take it over our country and you have to go shortly after dylan rufe was captured, investigators found a racist manifesto. he posted on line, along with dozens of images, posing that confederate hair insights and with confederate flags. now the focus of the nation's outrage shifted from the killer himself to the symbol that seemed to contain within its borders. all the racial hatred and roofs hart or the backlash was swift. terrific shooting has re ignited a highly sensitive debate over the confederate flag. this flag has become a symbol of murder of racism, hatred. and it is clearly a symbol of this chiller. the conversation we're having about the confederate flag

has been about moral empathy, seeing the flag for others eyes. you know, it's a moment for society to really do a gut check of our values. corporate giants like e bay target and wal mart stopped selling items bearing the confederate flag, telling me right now literally just now in the last couple of minutes. unless the last few minutes amazon, just pull the flags while we're on. even nascar, an icon of traditional southern culture turned against the flag with an appeal to patriotism. they just got a special offer for race fans as we can trade in your confederate flag for an american. one. anti flag momentum reached a climax when president obama delivered the eulogy for mother emanuel pastor clemente pinkney over the flag from the states. capital would not be an act of political correctness would not be in salts. of the malcolm of confederate sold me simply me an acknowledgement that the cause for which they

fought. mm. the cause of slavery was then 2 weeks later the flag came down and south carolina. oh, that's to say flag again, a lot of attention is all because of this. the revel. banner, we're which are made cleaner. i'm not going to you care about me. if you care about the play store. i suppose 16. do you think the confederate flag is offensive? as you can see, it's about even i wish somebody could just tell me why this sets their hair. our government is sanctioning chosen symbol. i've a terrorist organization on our state farm. i love being there. i love be in the southern veil. i think we have the flag, we need to fight for kind of the,

my problem to me is the safe place to replace everyone in not a time in history. and what they're trying to do is they're trying to fill has mississippi and that we should change it when you don't like it. don't live here, you know, banding and you're ready willing. i me i was born and raised in the north in my irish. great, great grandfather, michael o'connor was an officer in the union army. but i married a mississippian and of course we live here now. the main street in

a neighboring town is not called main street. it's jeff davis avenue, named after jefferson davis, a mississippi plantation owner, and us senator, who advocated for the expansion of slavery into the new territory. he was elected president of the confederacy. there's another jeff davis ab, a short drive away me and jefferson davis, his home and presidential library is just up the highway like many mississippi counties, our court house as a monument to confederate soldiers. and some of our neighbors flew the state flag and their yards. something i'd never seen any place else. so yes, in mississippi. remnants of the confederacy are everywhere. but even at the civil war relics, joe and brandon, mississippi change seem inevitable. tell me what sort of interactions are you

having with folks who are interested in buying mississippi? people are buying mississippi state play more than usual. evidently, there must be a shortage on the horizon somewhere in it. a shame like great. okay, my name is tim cupid. i'm a member of the funds, a confederate veteran. when i started doing my family research, i found that my family hold on both sides union and confederate, but if some people lane last, some people lane, right, or elaine's out, we want people to remember our past. what our ancestors went through and this friday that we made, ah, i appreciate you being here. and now i hope that when you're doing your documentary

that you are present both sides on positive manner and, and let people make amanda for themselves. i understood that confederate heritage, supporters like tim might be suspicious of my intentions. i am a yankee after all, i assured him and everyone else i spoke to in the film that i wasn't going to choose aside. mr. bate. and i wasn't here to judge anyone. i simply wanted to understand why mississippians were so divided over state flag whose purpose should be to unite us. ah, [000:00:00;00]

a sounds of confederate veterans purposes not to defend confederate government or purposes to defend the good name of the confederate. seldom that's the out that you take, which i take very seriously because these monuments that you see everywhere or not can but they're not monuments to the federal government. they're monuments to the, to the soldiers, to the veterans. most of the came back terribly wanted. ah, ah, the supplier that those men were masters of some sort and that's not true. and so i can't just sit there while that story gets told that i know it's not true. of course,

for made it fascinated with mississippi history in particular because the census and $1840.00 i think is 1st one. 0 everybody here was 20 years old. everybody. there were no people anywhere. and they were coming to absolutely raleigh and anyone there 20 years that you're fighting for your existence as a nation. ah, you know, that's a, that's how we got here was these people were determined to live rebel over the sanction. do not be with her again. are not only which reward anus any, pardon for any has been done? look,

this state flag is she never would have been brought back up. if it wasn't for what happened on june 17th in charleston, south carolina. they want you to believe that that flag grew. hans delays came down that po walked in that church and you know those people it was a human being that did that not apply open your mouth. open your mouth. oh, we keep them your mouth open. it does something with the concussion. every flag has its history. it has its pride and dark parts. we won't talk about dark parts, you know, we can mention how slavery was brought in under the us flag. there's videos of this

one organization marching down. i believe it's pennsylvania avenue in washington, d. c. and they're only flying the u. s. fly again. why not be offended because of that flag? you know, if we're going to be offended by everything, every negative part of our history, we have to get rid of everything. so if you say you are fighting for your heritage where your heritage was based on money and power in the only way you could get money and power here, new style is if you kill a decent franchise, people enslaved plain and simple always new

would do better. an emblem made to us as an african americans. but what can you tell me what it always meant to hatred, lynchings, beatings, poverty, why supremacy is just the disgusting ambulance? i feel that way because i leave it. ah .

when i was showing the wrong one, i just don't know. i mean, you have to say proud an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves, well the more we choose to look for common ground ah, them would important to with silly was this because they get to squint you get a new year for if i teach their way know i'm reaching out to school and you have to get a valuable a sheila for wishing to achieve. i'm a new movie, but the woman will,

i'm on william armstrong from bush not to not slip putting them on there. glad to blame me. what they continually, i'm just i get a small load scholarly i'm or they were did some of that. it's with the carson brought. are you serious? i finish. this is just a here i'm a national wouldn't come thing to do friday. that is a mentor, you owe them a shirt interim in another. there was a little bit of it in the afternoon. ah, [000:00:00;00] with this whole flagship is really

a serious deposition. and you have to look young for something's always just the red. but it's not just the way it represents. inequality has hatred and a flag was always present like it was in south carolina when those mad people did absolutely shock. we got a flag rep with

all of the a a funds of confederate veterans and members of the k k k. i say that they are christians. i just, it is my hope in mind is that they're gonna push them to put tre. christine, how do you change the hot over man? la, la, la, la, la jane, ma, household man. you can and it does change the habits of men. when you are begun, i have the 2 men who so who do j phone

off will be june. my mother, she fell for welfare rights for women. they holster down with hoses. she still had the bite marks on her leg from the doll. and she also went to jail and i was like to know this, my mamma. why, why? i mean, she's the sweetest person. oh no. why would somebody do that to her? it was appalling. when the news came on about the shooting. mama say they don't make no sense. if i stood up, you went to jail and get beat for human rights and civil rights and welfare rights. yeah, alberto, do something and wish you fay gal better do something we did something i'm the director of of life. i'll miss

tippins coalition. i've just been going around trying to raise awareness about the importance of removing the confederate emblem from our state flag. it's gonna be hard, but is 9 impasse. you just have to keep pushing and keep striving. i just, i got 4. 0, ah, grace and mercy because you need a whole lot more than you had a bigger march from g r. lead street to the state capital calling for change in the state flag. we just need a flag that were unified. everyone not long after i met sharon, she stepped away from her leadership role with the flag for all mississippians initiative. due to health reasons. it would be some time before i could talk to sharon on camera again. she found an ally and leah campbell,

an anti flag activist on the mississippi gulf coast for me as a white woman. oh, it's incumbent upon me as a, as a white, mississippi in a person of privilege, to use my privilege to do what i can, to dismantle a system of white supremacy and symbols of white supremacy that my ancestors created. mm. i grew up in the sound. so i have a sense of the racism that still exists here and it would be naive me or anyone else to deny that. and then li, sitting in charleston happened and i distinctly remember seeing the photo dylan roof posing with the confederate flag and reading his blog post. and then watch governor nikki haley,

have the courage to take that confederate and blown down from south carolina state house. ground it really made me angry that our governor and our legislators could not display the same courage. oh, so i knew i had to get involved. were fighting for the soul and sent me right now. with do you think it makes them feel when they ever and where are those her that why is why, what are we on bad?

miss day is better than that. with this wasn't the 1st time mississippians have wrestled over their flag in 993. the n double ac piece to the state to change the flag for familiar reasons. back with that lawsuit leather. the discovery that due to a legislative air in 19 o 6, mississippi did not have an official state flag. and in 2001 governor ronnie musgrove decided to settle the issue with the statewide referendum, asking voter to choose between 2 flags. the current flag at the time which had been adopted in 1894 and a new design. and now the mississippi flag is wavering. at this time. voters will decide if the confederates symbol will phone the flag of 189415 nearly 2 to one

margin, settling the issue for the time being a flag of 18. 94 was adopted. just 4 years after mississippi had convened a constitutional convention to write a new state constitution, the civil war had ended 30 years earlier. and although black mississippians made up nearly 60 percent of the states population, only one of the convention delegates was black. reconstruction was over, and white mississippians had regained political control from the majority black population to violence and intimidation, and newly formed ku klux klan. the president of the convention made it clear that their goal was to circumvent the 15th amendment, which prohibited the government from to 9 a citizen, the right to vote based on race. let's tell the truth of at 1st the bottom of the

university said we came here to exclude a other convention. delegates confirmed this notion in mississippi's constitution of 18. 90 included a poll tax and a literacy test that effectively prevented generations of black citizens from voting until the passage of the voting rights act. some 75 years later, it was in this political climate that the flag of 1894 was born. ah! back all the flag trade, the federal but the flags all over the street. you know, because i got the, the horizontal lamps hanging out. so i was, i was put some flag. so i'm a true blooded, southern mississippi,

southern man. and, and, and accepted. and i are relishing it because that's who i am. that's who i, where my family has came from. my family as live in the state of mississippi before it even became a state of the union. i am a direct descendant of james jefferson. johnson is my great great great grandfather . he fought in the 41st mississippi infantry. this is my son's conferred veteran certificate. what really got me just fired about route. normally i'm kind of like a better organization is because of what's going on in the country. the maneesha, it's black people, discrimination against the jews with discrimination against us or, or mom is currently engaged in southern they accuse us of all be in races, you know, and it's a sign of a 1000000000 is what the flag may. so

a lot of people and that's why like k and other groups used to play the part that way off the worst is ours. my ancestors would have put a stop to it before you know, a got to the point that is today. we're in, tommy, why caesar play the automatic, the things k k p person. mm hm. what is referred to as a confederate flag? graphically, it is done. however, you can separate it from all that it is stood for an a negative sounds a lot for us to have a symbol about which people just had no hesitancy whatsoever. we're at a moment where we can do this right and well and respectfully drawn bought. i don't like name coins, i don't white rallies where people are yelling back and forth all along the way from the way i present things. the way i design a flag. i want everybody to have a stitch, a fred and that new design. and i hope to be that middle ground,

that landing point for folks who, you know, as time has passed and they've come along, i think. and all right, now we need something new. it began with a whole lot of sketching, a lot of note taking a lot of research. a flag really is a living symbol and document and piece of art that they're 19 stars along the outer edge. we were the 20th state to join the union. the color, red symbolizes passion and blood. i chose the color white as a field because it represents elimination spirituality promise. and i thought that was an appropriate way to bring together all of these elements and all of these aspects of our history. and our story. of course, my grandfather was a us senate and i, he was one of the co authors and signers at the center manifesto which was a reaction against brown vs board of education. integrating schools. and he was

involved in we are the oppression of african americans in our state by way of policy. but i still love my grandfather. his personal motto was look ahead. and he did, he eventually changed himself to on that issue. lauren's flagged design known as this dennis flag quickly became popular and caught the attention of state representative kathy sikes who was the 1st legislator to advocate for the stanish flag as a viable alternative to the flag of 18. 94 with the recent g. 20 meeting and bali, the west did all it could with the help of corporate media to isolate russia, all their efforts came to nothing. in fact, the opposite happened. russia was a welcome participant, nato's proxy war in ukraine does united bunch of the global south. it's nature

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