i always appreciate it, let me go to you 1st here much been said about the conflict in ukraine, but if you look at the on an international scale, i see a tipping point a pivot as we're going on here. the recent g 20 meeting and bali is a very good indication when western media says the g 20 is united on ukraine, which is absolutely propaganda. it is not true whatsoever. and if you go into the thick description and look at countries wanted to talk about, they wanted to talk about food. they wanna talk about energy. they want to talk about trade. they didn't want to talk about ukraine. but the, the, the countries that are in the g 7 that are in the d 20, that's all they wanted to talk about. this is a huge diversion. going on, go ahead. alfred. well, what information war continues, i'm intensifies in the west. i am really surprised, i live here in geneva, switzerland, and our newspapers, the privilege, there's an ad and the noise should title really follow the new york times from the

washington post and cnn, etc. so the informational war in the west, the indoctrination. brainwashing in the west is alive and well that of course can function necessarily in latin america. those and function in africa doesn't function in asia course. love america. asia, other priority we in we have an internal western corral between the united states, the europeans and the russians. and basically we have no right through a risk the welfare of the entire planet because of our corral, whether don't it happens to be in rush out or in your crate. i mean, this is an internal matter that would never have led to violence. it's an internal matter, there should have been central pursuant to article to paragraph 3 of the un charter,

which is the only rules based order that we have. the un charter basically is the world constitution. and i am sick and tired of hearing my secretary general in gulker, so called rules based international order. well, for i will, alfred, i've done so. i'm sick and tired of that phrase too because it is vacuous. it has no meaning, and it means i have the rules and you're going to do what i tell you to do. that's what it means or saving a limb in belgrade. much of what alford said must seem very familiar to you considering how the weather, demonizes, serbia, it's really the same plane book. it just on steroids this time. go ahead in belgrade. exactly. i mean, what we're seeing is a last group of neo colonial. busy language, the thing is that everybody knows the phrases we all understand what's what they're

actually saying that this is only a re framing of the language a, which is supposed to keep the not only the global solved, but i would say all of the political, not politically non western actors in the world are in the state of submission and in the state of constant extortion or resources people and deuce prevents the changes that are inevitable. and i think that's maybe for to russians. this war is a, even a civil war on a, on a, on a close. there are on a park that she story called territory boss for the rest of the world. i think this is an anti colonial struggle at 40 anglo american coalition. this is also exit national for their interest because the, this is the want to do a piece with the changes that are in i was a fun in istanbul. turkey is

a member of nato. here been turkey is playing a unique role in this situation here. and it's quite commendable, i would say, because, you know, we are in a multi polar world and turkey gets it and understands it in acts as if it is a, a significant power in its region. and it's acting upon its interest here, even though it's other nato allies don't like it. of course the e. u. was it 10 days ago, you know, the, the used through, you know, telling the turks not to get no cozy up to the russians. i mean, what about sovereignty and see? well, i agree with what stephen just said here, you know, the sovereignty self determination here. this is something the west talks about, but never practices go ahead and assemble. well, as you said, 30 is a member of nato, and it's been a reliable member of nato, with the 2nd biggest forces. and its armed forces has had enormous

experience and all that. but it has also the political experience at particular, within the data world and the western world. holiday for instance, propagandized thing you saw, the day demons eyes was leaders and how they try to basically resort to propaganda on all matters these days. in particular, over the last few decades, they use propaganda as politic my size, you know, they, they, they just found that bothers to massage in the form or propaganda across the world . but a good thing is we in turkey hardly believe in this sort of propaganda anymore. because it's been resort to so many times so frequently that it has lost much of its meaning, yet it is not convinced that call it, it's not convincing at all. you know, as you said, it's a member of nature of the same time. if you ask the public right from day on, on anything that involves the united states, the public would say, oh,

it must be the united states basically that to do the wrong. and the public pose suggested at the beginning of the conflict in ukraine and in inter, into the conflict some months that took the public basically blamed much of the conflict on the united states and its attitude. so it could have been basically dealt with in a peaceful manner that it was preferred by tonight to stage and the rest of the world. as you said, i don't normally call it take a lot of south, i call it the united world united. all right, hang on, i'm going to top top you on that because it's exactly what i was going to ask for be in global south is popular, but i like global majority. do you like that offer because that's what it is. a global majority mark. there's no question that the, the non western world,

it's far more popular than the western world. when we, in the west talk about the international community. we are basically talking on the language we're talking about the united states, canada, europe, australia. we keep the rest of the world. i would like it doesn't exist. latin america, asia and africa. now, the perception of natal are in latin america, asia and africa. totally different from the perception of natal in europe where we are subjected to a daily mirage of propaganda. and i say that it is important to make clear in the general assembly in the security council that after the,

the solution of the warsaw pact, the nato has no rational best. they cannot pretend to be a defensive alliance, is actually an i'll think of alliance, and i would go one further because of nato's aggression in europe, flavio and i've gone as non serious because of the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by nato forces in all of these countries, nato actually qualified under articles 9 and 10 of the norm berg stack. you're talking about the london agreement of 8 august 945. now articles 9 and 10 concern criminal organizations. criminal organizations such as i have helped on in your many

as the, as, as et cetera. now, considering the war, crimes that have been committed by nato forces in total, impunity, they certainly qualify as a criminal organization and i would like to see em bathroom events. yeah. in that figure, a council actually whole natal let alfred, let me, let me go down. guess in belgrade and i mean international law, it's really quite whimsical. how the west uses. international law only mentioned it when it's to its own purposes and it, and most of the time it's very sloppy also. ok. they really aren't very good at invoking it. they always broken against someone else like, you know, war crime trials. i mean, it's always a serve. it's never, never anybody out there. it is weird. ok. ok. but i'll give you the last minute before we go to the break. go ahead. steven bell. great. now i mean 70 percent of all the war criminals that were indicted. some course weren't war criminals in the

hey we're, we're serving. i would just like to add them to topics that were just mentioned natal and 30 some 2 weeks ago. i was an energy and the 13th boss for assignments and the words i've heard that is basically that the where doesn't want to lose the control over to discourse. for instance, i've, i've, i've heard an expert from the united states to say that nato is the good guys club . and that really i felt kids coming from coming from serbia years of words or mr. robertson, lord, or robertson, who was the general secretary of nato. he was using exactly the same language. that's why we lost his former president of serbia use. he talked about international law aggression against sovereign country. i think what i thought, oh, where were you 15 or 20 years ago with those arguments because we've been saying this for the last 23 years now since 1999. right gentlemen, i have to jump in here. we have to go to

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with the welcome back to cross sack where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle major. we're discussing the global majority in ah okay, let's go back to our guests then as well. you know, one of the things that they by the administration brought to the world was this democracy versus versus a top prosy slogan. and that's all it really is here. when you went in,

obviously that goes in with the rules based or it's all kind of wrapped up in this kind of discursive nonsense here. but most people don't look at the world that way whatsoever. again, this conflict in ukraine, which i think is prompted by nato. they wanted to conflict, they wanted to bring russia into a conflict. and then they said, they're not part, we're not part of it. we're not, you're not part of that war, but they very much are part of that war. so, but there's a democracy birth there because versus that talk prosy. doesn't have any residents outside of b, g 7. go ahead and assemble all that argumentation and that this course basically doesn't basically. ringback sticks and outside the western world, as you said. but more important, i would say this is, this is a, this is an issue. it is not a convincing argument. given that,

you see the united states leaders basically going over to saudi arabia, begging for several things, several papers on this and the other. and at the same time, just as the russian special operation began in ukraine, then you have the united states basically going over to vintage ally again for similar papers and all that. so when it comes to, to basically support their arguments in general, and they use it as part of their effort to, to, to get their jo, political goals. otherwise, you know, there is no such division as democracies and good guys and bad guys. and i'll talk to chris's. so we in turkey, don't buy to talk to. for instance, if you are democracies,

then does that mean you have no disagreement among your soap? i mean, we, we know how it is been also used between turkey and crease. sometimes turkey and greece are both democracy. they are both nato members, but they have a lot of disagreement over the number of issues. so that is not a, that is not something on which you can basically baize at world order and it is not serious argument at all. that's such a good point, alfred because of the west ones it wants. is this a suspension of belief? ok, so you know, the west talks about geo politics but doesn't practice it. ok, the whole world wants to practice geo politics, your relative strengths, you know, being a member of the international community. and you know what, what washington wants is that, you know, there's the, you don't have any geo politics. we have values and you must accept them that, that just rings hollow. go ahead alfred. we in the west,

the particular washington and brussels. we're hypocrites, without realizing it, we believe our own propaganda and sure. the global majority in the world demands today. and let's get our priority right. we need immediate ceasefire. we need immediate negotiation. we have here locally or powers and we cannot afford this constant spiral of escalation. so one might make a mistake along the way, as it almost happened last week, when a grainy and mess, i'll it all and, and then you have the issues of article 4 and 5 of the nature of treaty. so what we need is mediation, and i will say thanks to president our hon. there has been

a possibility of reaching some kind of compromise. and we need mediators. i would like to see switzerland step in and immediate the grain, russia and nato not only the ring, russia and ukraine. i would like to say pope francisco here mediate, and please packs off the mark room, which was the local or the piece of space. and the only end of this war can be through negotiation, compromised rule, quid pro quo. russia will make life essentially might be cool on my don in 2014, the, the west has been in not in a compromising mood. i don't see why they're going to be in it now. ok. everyone was in the, in the, in the west. they want to say ukraine is a victim or ukraine was a volunteer. it was

a nato volunteer. and this is what has happened as a result of stephen. let me go to you. i mean, joseph brown talked about the garden and the jungle or i could to serbia, i've been to serbia. it's kind of a garden to me. what's going on with that guy? go ahead in belgrade. again, we're, we're going back to this colonial discourse and they're not even realizing that they're using the same or similar analogy as i've heard from her, from robert cooper in his book. read your nations where he speaks about a modern, pretty modern and. busy postmodern estates, we're actually, it is a lot allowed for the political west, basically to lie and utilize which really are reminded me of what, what is said about as being the empire of lies. and even when it comes to this, this whole analogy between dictatorship, now 330 in the regimes and,

and democracy is on the other side. well, one of the 1st and founding states of ne thought was a fascist regime in portugal, a. busy salazar at the time. so what kind of language is that they are? are they never really followed the rules that they are imposing the rest of the world, but for themselves they are so, so one rules applied for their behavior and then there is another set of rules that apply for others. this even even goes with this ideology of less a fair economics or any single component of the, the lesson he, burl thought because there is, i would say, an export version. and the one that we use at home. and, and i think that the trick a work, of course, if it weren't for over 200 years, but it's not working any more. and i think the majority to the global majority had enough and they don't want to follow these rules. so now we have a, i would say

a attempt to physically stop the change and that is why us so much a weapons as flowing from the. 2 west into ukraine. i believe that ukraine is a victim, but not in the way that probably majority of people there as well. my, my, my, steven my point is it volunteered to do this. it's political class co opted by the west. volunteered to do that, and the consequences were obvious to anyone that had oh, when eyes. okay, that's what makes this complex so tragic because it never should have happened in the 1st place. december 17th of last year. to do ultimatums, we need to talk because it's getting it bad. they wouldn't listen, thought term, you know, wrapping rapidly running out of time. that's i thought, what do you think about what i just said in assemble? while i would say ukraine complex could have been prevented,

there's no question about it. and in the end, the sort of compromise, wherever it is going to mediate with is going to be is going to prove that point that it could have been prevented. drive from the beginning, after all, you know, for instance, think about a solution to the ukraine crate crisis. it can go on. on the one hand, you had the sort of whole kish world. and interestingly those, those include the baltic states in poland and others including britain and biden's house seems to be quite a d y that was on we keep hearing the. ready united states military and talking. busy poking in a net least a little bit sensible way. so there seems to be some sort of sort of sobriety coming up within the pentagon. because we heard the pentagon chief saying that ukraine cannot basically push the russians out of ukraine. so the ukraine war aims

are not attainable, they're not achievable. and, and it, they automatically suggestion that comes out of it is that there has to be some sort of compromise. and we see lately the cia and the russian foreign intelligence service meeting and non kara, i mean they didn't talk about basketball the day or any other thing they must, they must have spoken about serious matters. you know, with the turkish intelligence chief, basically mediating between the 2. i would think in the end, this is going to lead to a compromise where you can, is going to turn into some sort of a federation with 2 federated founding states. and then, you know, ukraine's constitution will declare that detail remain a natural country of some sort. well, if this is going to come to that,

then why did you basically cause this war and why did you, why did you be? well, my friend, you're, you're here per year, you're preaching, you know, you're preaching to the choir here, steve, in belgrade, you want to jump in, go ahead. yes, exactly. it seems to me that there is a division that we're not really that he's not so obvious within the last itself. it seems to me that the people in fans are gone and, and similar structures are way more rational compared to the politicians, both in brussels, in the nato structures and the in the hawkish eastern european nathan member states . because they are the ones trying to sat and sell the send the signals. ok, let's talk about it. let's not underestimate russia's power. let's not escalate the conflict. whereas the politicians are those who are constantly putting oil to the fire. and i would like to see how this development goes. i'm very curious about the

role of your mask here, because let me just let me jump in here. i never have faith in these politicians are all the foods ok. i'll read the last 30 seconds. go to you, my friend, go ahead but i, you know, my book building a just world older and you know, my 25 principles of international order. i think that that is for mr. biden. and mr. blanking were to get a chance and look at those 25 principles. you got a road map for peace in ukraine, but of course, they are so caught in their own well, that it's very difficult. what you need is the 3rd party. you need an arrogant, you need a francisco who would mediate, well, i straight, you know, i'm, i, blank and, and by no politically illiterate. that's a problem here. gentlemen,

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