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a shooter. what happened at the mother emmanuel and the church and charles and south carolina. in the summer of 2015, with almost to her rhetoric to comprehend the wife gunmen scorned into a bible study. 9 church members die right before god another. use the word church church. what do we know about who this man is and what his motivation may and then your rape our women, and you taken over our country? you have to go shortly after dylan roof was captured, investigators found a racist manifesto. he posted on line, along with dozens of images, posing that confederate heritage sites in with confederate flags in now the focus of the nations outrage shifted from the killer himself to the symbol that seemed to

contain within its borders. all the racial hatred and roofs hart or the backlash was swift. terrific shooting has re ignited a highly sensitive debate over the confederate flag. this flag has become a symbol of murder of racism and hatred. and it is clearly a symbol of this chiller. the conversation we're having about the confederate flag has been about moral empathy, seeing the flag for others eyes. you know, it's a moment for society get a really do a get check of our values. corporate giants like e bay target and wal mart stopped selling items bearing the confederate flag, telling me right now literally just now in the last couple of minutes. unless the last few minutes amazon, just pull the flag as well. we don't even nascar, an icon of traditional southern culture turned against the flag with an appeal to patriotism. they tell has got a special offer for race fan so we can trade in your confederate flag for an american. one. anti flag momentum reached a climax when president obama delivered the eulogy for mother emanuel. pastor

clemente pinkney over the flag from the states. capital would not be an act of political correctness. would not be an insult to the balance of confederate sold me, sent me an acknowledgement that the cause for which they fought. mm. the cause of slavery was then 2 weeks later, the flag came down in south carolina. a just to say, flag again, a lot of attention is all because of this, the revel. banner rehab with your ours. good make, you know, i'm not going to you care about me if you care about the play. it hopefully, and this brings us, or against of all fixed a, do you think the confederate flag of the, as you can see, it's about even i wish somebody could tell me why this sets their hair

on our government is sanctioning the chosen symbol of a terrorist organization on our state far. i love being 7 or i love be in the southern bell. i think we had the most beautiful flag. we need to fight. i. my problem is the safe place to where they even want in not a time in history. and what they're gonna do is they're trying to fill us because mississippians that we should change. we're not gonna change. you know, i get the liquor a standing in line with our with

i was born and raised in the north. ah, my irish great, great grandfather, michael o'connor was an officer in the union army. but i married in mississippi, and of course we lived here now in the main street. the neighboring town is not called main street. it's jeff davis avenue, named after jefferson davis, a mississippi plantation owner and us senator, who advocated for the expansion of slavery into the new territory. and he was elected president of the confederacy. there's another jeff davis avenue, a short drive away. and jefferson davis is home, and presidential library is just up the highway like many mississippi counties. our court house has a meant to confederate soldiers,

me and some of our neighbors flew the stake flag in their yards something i'd never seen any place else. so yes, in mississippi remnants of the confederacy are everywhere. but even at the civil war relics, joe and brandon, mississippi change seem inevitable. tell me what sort of interactions are you having with folks who are interested in buying mississippi said people are buying mississippi same way more than usual. evidently, there must be a shortage on the horizon somewhere in it a shame. okay, my name is tim cupid. i'm a member of the sons, a confederate veteran. when i started doing my family research, i found that my family on both sides union and confederate, but if somebody blaine left something, elaine right?

well, elaine's out, we won't be able to remember our past what our ancestors went through, and this rise that we made, ah, i appreciate you being here. and now i hope that when you're doing your documentary, that you are present both sides on positive manner and, and let people make amanda for themselves. i understood that confederate, a heritage, supporters like tim might be suspicious of my intentions. i am a yankee after all, i assured him and everyone else i spoke to in the film that i wasn't going to choose aside. mr. bate. and i wasn't here to judge anyone. i simply wanted to understand why mississippians were so divided over state flag whose purpose should be to unite us. ah,

[000:00:00;00] a sons of confederate veterans purposes, not to defend confederate government or purposes to defend the good name of the confederate. seldom with that you take, which i take very seriously because these monuments that you see everywhere or not, can they not monuments to the better government there monuments to the,

to the soldiers, to the veterans. most of the came back terribly wanted ah, ah, the supplier that those men were masters of some sort and that is not true. and so i can't just sit there while that story gets told that i know it's not true. of course, for me, it fascinated with mississippi history in particular because the census and 1840 i think is our 1st one. everybody here was 20 years old. everybody. there were no people anywhere. and they were coming to absolutely raleigh and anyone there 20 years that you're fighting for your existence as a nation. ah, you know, that's a,

that's how we got here. was these people were determined to live room? oh, a not only with war anus any. pardon for anything i don't look this state flag issue never would have been brought back up if it wasn't for what happened on june the 17th in charleston, south carolina. they want you to believe that that flag grew handlers came down that paul walked in that church and you know, those people it was a human being that did that not a flat open your mouth,

open your mouth. oh. 7 we keep them your mouth, open it up. does something with the concussion? every flag has its history. it has its pride and dark parts. we won't talk about dark parts, you know, we can mention how slavery was brought in under the u. s. flag. there's videos of this one organization marching down. i believe it's pennsylvania avenue in washington, d. c. and they're only flying the us flag. why not be offended? because of that. what, you know, if we're going to be offended by everything, every negative part of our history, we have to get rid of everything with . if you say you are fighting for your heritage where your heritage was based

on money and power in the only way you could get money in power here is if you kill a decent franchise, people you slade, plain and simple. always new. would the confederate emblem made to us as an african americans? but what can you tell me what it always meant to hatred, lynchings, beating poverty. why supremacy is just disgusting. and i feel that way because i leave it. ah ah,

with a with oh seemed wrong i just don't hold any world. yes to shave out. disdain becomes the attitude and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart,

we choose to look for common ground. ah, them would important to with silly was this because they did to squint need to to get a new year or for him. if i teach the way, know i me teaching that should to school and you have to that is a valuable a sheila for wishing to achieve when you moment for the woman was more emotional. william with lots and lots of them are they have lot of trouble. let me her what they can to the net. i'm just i get i use one to select load load. i want it of 30 to live across and brought i used to wish i had finished. this is just for the national when it comes with private use it until you owe them

a share in sherman yes. and there was also to put it in as a with this whole flagship is really a series superstition. and you have to look young. something's always just a read for. it's not just the way it represents. inequality has yet versus hatred. in a flag was always present like it was, it's out your land. when those mad people were innocently shot. we got

a flag rep with the law. you have b o, b a whole lot. oh, sons of confederate veterans and members of the k k. k. i say that they are

christian, i just, it is my hope in mind is that god will push them to portray christine how do you change the heart of a man? la, la, la, la, la jane, ma, household man. you can and a dog chamber. habits of men, when you're begun to join by habit to men who so who do j for this phone law will be june. my mother, she file for welfare rights for women. they holster down, we hoses. she still had the bite marks owner laid from the doll, and she also went to jail and i was like to know this, my mom a why, why? i mean, she's the sweetest person. oh no one was somebody to do that to her. it was appalling

. when the news came on about the shooting, mamma say that don't make no sense. if i stood up, you went to jail and get beat for human rights and civil rights and welfare rights. yeah. better do something in when she say a gal better do something, we do something i'm the director of of life. i'll miss tippins coalition. i've just been going around trying to raise awareness about the importance of removing the confederate emblem from our state flag. it's gonna be hard, but it's 9 impasse when you just have to keep pushing and keep striving. i just, my god for, oh, ah, grace and mercy. because you need

a whole lot more than you had a bigger march from j. r. lead street to the state capital calling for change in the state flag. we just need a flag that were unified. everyone not long after i met sharon, she stepped away from her leadership role with the flag for all mississippians initiative. due to health reasons, it would be some time before i could talk to sharon on camera again. she found an ally and leah campbell, an anti flag activist on the mississippi gulf coast. for me as a white woman. oh, it's incumbent upon me as a, as a white mississippian and a person of privilege to use my privilege to do what i can to dismantle a system of white supremacy and symbols of white supremacy that my ancestors

created. mm. wow. i grew up in the sound, so i have a sense of the racism that still exists here and it would be naive me or anyone else to deny that. and then the sitting in charleston happened and i distinctly remember seeing the photo dylan roof posing with the confederate ard and reading his blog posts. and then watch governor nikki haley has the courage to take that confederate emblem down from south carolina state health ground. it really made me angry that our governor and our legislators could not display the same courage. oh,

so i knew i had to get involved. were fighting for the soul and sent me right now. looking at me or do you think it makes them feel when they ever and where those her that flag is flying? what are we on bad miss day is better than i with with this wasn't the 1st time mississippians have wrestled over their flag in 993 the n double a c p to the state to change the flag for familiar reasons. back

with that lawsuit leather, the discovery that due to a legislative air in 19 o 6, mississippi did not have an official state flag. and in 2001 governor ronnie musgrove decided to settle the issue with the statewide referendum. asking voter to choose between 2 flags, the current flag at the time which had been adopted in $1894.00 and a new design. and now the mississippi flag is wavering. and this time voters will decide if the confederate symbol will fall. the flag of 18941 by nearly 2 to one margin, settling the issue for the time being a flag of 18. 94 was adopted. just 4 years after mississippi had convened a constitutional convention to write a new state constitution. the civil war had ended 30 years earlier, and although black mississippians made up nearly 60 percent of the states

population, only one of the convention delegates was black. reconstruction was over, and white mississippians had regained political control from the majority black population to violence and intimidation. and newly formed ku klux klan, the president of the convention made it clear that their goal was to circumvent the 15th amendment, which prohibited the government from to 9 a citizen the right to vote based on race. let's tell the truth to that 1st. the bottom of the university said we came here to exclude them. other convention delegates confirm this notion in mississippi's constitution of 18. 90 included a poll tax and a literacy test that effectively prevented generations of black citizens from

voting until the passage of the voting rights act. some 75 years later, it was in this political climate that the flag of 1894 was born. ah! back all this flag, trade the federal flags all over the street. you know, because i got the, the horizontal lambs hanging out. so i was, i was put some flag. so i'm a true blooded, southern mississippi, southern man. right. and, and, and accept it. and i, i relish in it because that's who i am. that's who i, where my family is, came from my family as live in the state of mississippi before it even became a state of the union. i am a direct descendant of james jefferson. johnson is my great great great grandfather

. he fought in the 41st mississippi infantry. this is my son's conferred veteran certificate. what really got me just fired about route wanted some kind of a better organization is because of what's going on in the country. discrimination against black people, discrimination against the jews with discrimination against the war and get southerners. they accuse us of all be in races, you know? and it's a sign of rebellion. it's what the flag means. so a lot of people and that's why like k k, k and other groups use the flag, the part that me out, the worst is i wish my ancestors would have put a stop to it before you know, hey, got to the point that is today. we're anytime in my phase that played out america, things cake taping person. me what is referred to as a confederate flag? graphically,

it is wherever you can separate it from all that it is stood for and a negative sounds. i'd love for us to have a symbol about which people had no evidence whatsoever. we're at a moment where we can do this right and well and respectfully draw involved. i don't like name calling, i don't white rallies where people are yelling back and forth all along the way from the way i present things. the way i design a flag. i want everybody to have a stitch, a thread, and that new design. and i hope to be that middle ground, that landing point for folks who, you know, as time has passed and they come along, i think in right now we need something new. it began with a whole lot of sketching, a lot of note taking a lot of research, a flag really as a living symbol and document and piece of art that there $900.00 stores along the outer edge. we were the 20th state to join the union color,

red symbolizes passion and blood. i chose the color white as a field because it represents elimination spirituality promise. and i thought that was an appropriate way to bring together all of these elements. and all of these aspects of our history and our story, of course, my grandfather was a us senate and i, he was one of the co authors and signers of the southern manifesto, which was a reaction against brown vs board of education. integrating schools. and he was involved in we are the oppression of african americans in our state by way of policy. but i still love my grandfather. his personal motto was look ahead and he did, he eventually changed himself to on that issue. lauren's flag design known as this dentist flag quickly became popular and caught the attention of state representative kathy sikes, who was the 1st legislator to advocate for the stanish flag as a viable alternative to the flag of 18. 94.

ah, ah mm hm. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be in arms. race is often very dramatic, development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful,

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