when i went to the emergency man, okay, i just need a police and somebody right away. the manual charge manually. i me want and there's people shot shot to pass on demanding the check. please come right away. did you see him at all? yes, he's a young to anyone. why do me and when you come in a shooter, what happened at the mother emmanuel and the church and charles from south carolina in the summer of 2015. with all most to her rhetoric to comprehend. the white gunmen stormed into a bible study 9 church members die right before god another word church church. what do we know about who this man is? and what is motivation may have been you,

rape our women and taken over our country. you have to go shortly after dylan roof was captured, investigators found a racist manifesto. he posted on line, along with dozens of images, posing that confederate heritage sites in with confederate flags in now the focus of the nations outrage shifted from the killer himself to the symbol that seemed to contain within its borders. all the racial hatred and roofs hart. the backlash mus with terrific shooting has recognized a highly sensitive debate over a confederate flag. the flag has become a symbol, a murder of racism and hatred. and it is clearly a symbol of this chiller. the conversation we're having about the confederate flag has been about moral empathy, seeing the flag through others eyes. it's a moment for i need you to really do

a quick check of our values. corporate giants like e bay target and wal mart stopped selling the items bearing the confederate flag, telling me right now literally just now in the last couple of minutes. in less, less to minutes amazon just pull the flag as well. we don't even nascar, an icon of traditional southern culture turned against the flag with an appeal to patriotism. they told us got a special offer for race fans as we can trade in your confederate flag for an american lot. anti flag momentum reached a climax when president obama delivered the eulogy from mother emanuel pastor clemente pinkney moving the flag from the states. capital would not be an act of political correctness, not in salt, to the balance of confederate sold me. assembly may an acknowledgement that the cause for which they fall in the cause of slavery was then

2 weeks later, the flag came down in south carolina. a just to say, if i get again, a lot of attention is all because of this, the revel. banner rehab with your art to make, you know, i'm not gonna tear you care about me if you care about the play. it hopefully. and this brings us, or is supposed to do you think the confederate flag of the, as you can see, it's about even i wish somebody could just tell me why this sets their hair off. our government is sanctioning that shows and symbol of a terrorist organization on our state flag. i love 7 or i love the 2nd veil. i think we had them here for flag. we need to fight. i. my problem is the safe place to where they even want in, not a, i mean,

what they're trying to do is they're trying to build as mississippians that we should change when you don't like it that live here. you know, banding and you're willing i me i was born and raised in the north in my irish great great grandfather, michael o'connor was an officer of the union army. but i married a mississippi and, and of course we live here now. the main street in the neighboring town is not called main street. it's jeff davis avenue, named after jefferson davis,

a mississippi plantation owner and us senator, who advocated for the expansion of slavery into the new territory. he was elected president of the confederacy. ah, there is another jeff davis avenue, a short drive away. and jefferson davis is home, and presidential library is just up the highway. like many mississippi counties. our court house has a monument to confederate soldiers. and some of our neighbors flew the stake flag in their yards something i'd never seen any place else. so yes, in mississippi. remnants of the confederacy are everywhere. but even at the civil war relics, joe and brandon, mississippi change seem inevitable. tell me what sort of interactions are you having with folks who are interested in buying? people are buying, play more than usual. evidently, there must be

a shortage on horizon somewhere. in it a shame. okay, my name is tim cupid. i'm a member of the sons of confederate veterans. when i started doing my family research, i found that my family out on both sides union and confederate, but if some people lane last sunday, the lane, right, or elaine's out, we won't people to remember our past. what our ancestors went through, and this prize that we made, ah, i appreciate you being here. and now i hope that when you're doing your documentary, that you are present both sides on positive manner and, and let people make amanda for themselves. i understood that confederate heritage,

supporters like tim might be suspicious of my intentions. i am a yankee, after all, i assured him and everyone else i spoke to in the film that i wasn't going to choose aside miss debate. and i wasn't here to judge anyone. i simply wanted to understand why mississippians were so divided overstate flag, whose purpose should be, to unite us. ah, [000:00:00;00]

a sons of confederate veterans purposes, not to defend confederate government or purposes to defend the good name of the confederate. seldom of that you take, which i take very seriously because these monuments that you see everywhere are not, can, they're not monuments to the better government. they're monuments to the, to the altree, to the veteran. most of the terribly wanted, ah, supplied that those men were masters of some sort and that's not true. and so i can't just sit there while that story gets told that i know it's not true. of course, for made it fascinated with mississippi history in particular,

because the census in 1840. i think this 1st one. 0 everybody here was 20 years old. everybody. there were no people anywhere. and they were coming to absolutely raleigh and anyone there 20 years that you're fighting for your existence as a nation. ah, you know, that's a, that's how we got here. was these people were determined to live rebel over the sanction. do not do it again only which was a, in a study, pardon for anything i don't look, this state flag is she never would have been brought back up if it wasn't for what

happened on june 17th in charleston, south carolina. they want you to believe that that flag grew handlers came down that how walked in that church and you know, those people it was a human being that did that lot of flat open your mouth, open your mouth. oh. 7 we keep them your mouth open, it are, does something with the concussion? every flag has its history. it has its pride and dark parts. we won't talk about dark parts, you know, we can mention how slavery was brought in under the us flag. there's videos of this one organization marching down. i believe it's pennsylvania avenue in washington,

d. c. and they're only flying the u. s. fly again. why not be offended? because of that's like, you know, if we're going to be offended by everything, every negative part of our history, we have to get rid of everything. so if you say you are fighting for your heritage where your heritage was based on money and power in the only way you could get money in power here in the south is if you kill a decent franchise, people enslaved plain and simple always new would the confederate emblem made to us as an african americans. but what can you tell me what it always meant to hatred, lynchings,

beatings, poverty. why supremacy is she asked the disgusting ambler. i feel that way because i leave it. ah, ah .

what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on offence, very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time. time to sit down and talk i am, my name is frank from a reserves in philadelphia. got in the move in age 13 going on 14, and we were violent towards those people because we believed that we're in this race. we're here 1st and this is our country being part of that movement. i got your sense of power. when i felt powerless, we got attention when i felt invisible and accepted when i talked to level life after, hey, is an organization that was founded by for skin neo

nazi white supremacist in the u. s. in canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out is 2 parts to getting out of a violent extremist group. the 1st part is disengagement, which is where you leave the social group. and then the next part is d. radicalization work belief systems, you know, you all are removed. it was very impactful. when someone finally came along with no fear, no judgement, you heard my story did nothing to challenge it. validate with this whole flag issue is really a serious, serious issue, and you have to move beyond that. something's always just the read. but it's not

just the way it represents. a flag was always present like it was just after those people shot we got

a, [000:00:00;00] a confederate batteries and members of the k, k k. i say that they are christians. i just, it is my hope in mind is that god will push them to put tre. christine, how do you change the heart of a man? law may not change it. and it does change the habits of men. when you began to change that habits a man, what is the attitude will be james curtis phone. the hobbs will be changed. my mother,

she will say i'm rights for women. they hosted down warehouses. she still held the bite marks only from the doll. and she also went to jail and i was like to notice my mamma. why? why? i mean, she's the sweetest person. oh no. why would somebody do that to her? it was about when the news came about the shooting. mama say that they don't make no thing as food. went to jail and get be for human rights and civil rights and welfare. right. yeah. i better do something. and when she said, y'all better do something we do. i'm the director of, of lanfield mississippians coalition. i've just been going around trying to raise

awareness about the importance of removing the confederate emblem from our stay flag. it's gonna be hard, but it's not impasse. you just have to keep pushing and keep striving. i just thank god for grace and mercy. because you need a whole lot more than 200 people march from j r lynch street to the state capital calling for change in the state flag. we just need a flag that will unify everyone. not long after i met sharon, she stepped away from her leadership role with the flag for all mississippians initiative. due to health reasons. it will be some time before i could talk to sharon on camera again. she found an ally and leah campbell,

an anti flag activist on the mississippi gulf coast for me as a white woman. oh, it's incumbent upon me as a, as a white mississippian. and i'm a person of privilege to use my privilege to do what i can to dismantle a system of white supremacy and symbols of white supremacy that my ancestors created. mm hm. wow. i grew up in the sound. so i have a sense of the racism that still exists here and it would be naive me or anyone else organize about it. then li, sitting in charleston happen. and i distinctly remember seeing the photo, dylan res, posing with the confederate fire and reading his blog posts, and then watch governor nikki haley has the courage to take that confederate emblem

down from south carolina state house ground. it really made me angry that our governor and our legislators could not display the same courage. oh, so i knew i had to get involved. were fighting for the soul. i me right now. in america. do you think it makes them feel when they everywhere laid her? that flag is flying? what the last phase and then we are better than that? mississippi is better than that. no.

mm ah. this wasn't the 1st time mississippians have wrestled over their flag in 1993, the hon. ac piece to the state to change the flag for familiar reasons. back with that lawsuit whether the discovery that due to a legislative air in 19 o 6, mississippi did not have an official state flag in 2001 governor ronnie musgrove decided to settle the issue with the statewide referendum asking boulder to choose between 2 flags. the current flag at the time which had been adopted, $1894.00 and a new design. now the mississippi flag is wavering at this time. voters will decide if the confederate symbol will phone and the flag of 189-4158 nearly 2 to one

margin, settling the issue for the time being a flag of 18. 94 was adopted. just 4 years after mississippi had convened a constitutional convention to write a new state constitution, the civil war had ended 30 years earlier. and although black mississippians made up nearly 60 percent of the states population, only one of the convention delegates was black and reconstruction was over. and white, mississippi had regained political control from the majority black population through violence and intimidation. and a newly formed ku klux klan. the president of the convention made it clear that their goal was to circumvent the 15th amendment, which prohibited the government from to 9, a citizen, the right to vote based on race. and let's tell the truth of at 1st the bottom of the university said we came here to exclude them. in other convention,

delegates confirmed this notion. mm . mississippi's constitution of 18. 90 included a poll tax and a literacy tasks that effectively prevented generations of black citizens from voting until the passage of the voting rights act. some 75 years later it was in this political climate that the flag of 1894 was born. ah! back all this my flag trade, the plan will put the flags all over the story and i got a lamps hanging out. so i was, i was put some flag. so i'm a true blooded, southern mississippi, southern man. and, and accepted. and i relish in it because that's who i am. that's who,

where my family is, came from my family as live in the state of mississippi before it even became a state of the union. i'm a direct descendant of james jefferson johnson is my great, great great grandfather and the 41st mississippi infantry. this is my son's a confederate veteran certificate. what really got me just fired about, well, you know, some kind of like a better organization is because of what's going on in the country discrimination against black people, discrimination against and use with discrimination against us. or what about discrimination against southerners? they accuse us of all be in races, you know, and it's a fan of a 1000000 is what the flag means, a lot of people and that's why like k and other groups used to play the part that

me off the worst is i wish my ancestors would have put a stop to it before you know, a got to the point that is today. we're a timing by say that played out americans. things take a tape with what is referred to as a confederate flag. graphically it's done however, you can separate it from all that it is still for a negative sense. i'd love for us to have a symbol about which people had no evidence, whatever were adamant we're we can do this right and well and respectfully, fraud involved. i don't like name callings, i don't want rallies where people are yelling back and forth all along the way from the way i present things. so we design a flag. i want everybody to have a stitch, a thread, and that new design. and i hope to be that middle ground,

that landing point for folks who, you know, as time has passed and come along, i think. and right now we need something new. it began with a whole lot of sketching, a lot of know, taking a lot of research, a flag really as a living symbol and document and piece of art that there $900.00 stars along the outer edge. we were the 20th state to join the union color, red symbolizes passion and blood. i chose the color white as a field because it represents elimination spirituality promise. and i thought that was an appropriate way to bring together all of these elements. and all of these aspects of our history and our story, of course, my grandfather was a us senate and he was one of the co authors and signers at the southern manifesto, which was a reaction against brown vs board of education. integrating schools. and he was involved in the oppression of african americans in our state by way of policy. but

i still love my grandfather. his personal motto was look ahead and he did, he eventually changed himself to on that issue. lauren's flag design known as this dennis flag quickly became popular and caught the attention of state representative kathy sikes, who was the 1st legislator to advocate for the spanish flag as a viable alternative to the flag of 18. 94. ah, i've actually found safety braces naziism as a joke. all of a sudden you're placed in a position where i can defend myself. now. i don't know how to be afraid anymore. on one hand, i'm terrified that they're going to find that i'm jewish, but on the other, i think it's so far away. i distinctly remember my mom sitting me down one night and her st. john, they're going to hurt you. one guy hunched me behind my ear, but aren't somebody so now in the rest of the punch is just started flying and somebody shouted out, died,

you boy die. and at that point i knew i remember, had an indian doctor. they came in and looked and said that there is no medical reason why you should be alive. you to find something to believe. john story is a story of ho story, victory, and whatever i can do to help him. i would. yeah. ah, i think the little fair with arise, anticipating a fear, a known one rationally with the realization implementation of article 5, no one ration wants to go to more which washer, which has its logical outcome,

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