ah ah mm with mm welcome to the world. the part of the 1990 s were a time of rapid change but they are not saved. the cold war was over and the soviet union had been conquered, and history had ended for russian its people. it was a time of acute hardship, humiliation,

and disorientation that to decades to overcome fast forward to 2022 and rapid change is back with somewhat reversed roles. russia is now confident and the united states is divided gambit. you ever reach a balance of january and when, when? well, to discuss that. i'm now join from brussels by gilbert, dr. off and the international affairs analyst, mr. dr. for the great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. oh, thanks for having. now i know that you were living in this country when the soviet union was collapsing and had that been mazing of a change of seeing history develop in front of your own eyes. to the extent that they've and of the past years seemed like the past century and by gongs. i wonder with such conditioning a pretty rare conditioning. how are you taking this year so far? do you think the, the speed and the scale of changes is more or less dramatic than what you so i'm

back in the ninety's. so there is a question both. there is a similarity here in the way of main street main sprig. clark is allowed to release itself after having been held locked in position for many years. in the case of ranching right is the main st. main spray was locked for 70 years here and it has been locked for a brief period. but nonetheless, we're seeing an energy change drama change that is a historic and it is more controlled when it is more conscious than what happened in the chaotic 1990 each. and in this sense, in russia is knowingly willingly taking on a role in changing the world daughter around the principal multi priority. now, using this matters more of the main spring,

one could argue that the more it's controlled, the more it's suppressed the had the foster and the more forceful will be, be rebound. using this analogy, where do you think the events leading now both and the relation between russian, the west and more globally? well, there changes at all levels, including changes within russia and the downs. then russia, between conservatives and liberals, that has been dramatically changed. the balance between russia and the west is something we see in the dynamic every day, the content has many different vectors. his vision would be the question of the dollarization, the question of the industrialization of europe, and it's fading roland world compared to russia's comparative stability and intended growth through a re industrialization. these are processes that are very much in evidence and use evidence in the,

in the daily news. the need. as regards the global balance, russia has, has clearly won the interest and attraction of the global sounds them to there have been dramatic changes in world diplomacy that are swept to the sides of our western mainstream, but occasionally reemerge and attract some interests that have in mind the, the changes in the middle east, the changes in relationships between the united states and iran, or western european iran versus russia's growing strategic alliance for the run and rushes by rapprochement and increasing be important to operation with saudi arabia . it's expensive that countries 5060 years, close ties with united states. these are issues that come into the nurse there. this is which of tell us that the global was changing in ways that we'll, we'll do it. we'll see, roll out for decades to come over. now,

and i think it would agree with me that the speed of change is now being expedited by the russian military operation in ukraine. and perhaps consciously saw at least the, you know, the, the analysts and the decision makers that i sometimes talk to you here in moscow make no secret about that. russia also makes no secret about the fact that its main grievance in this whole conflagration with the west was the balance of power and the balance of security in europe. which in the west is usually it looks through the lines of russia, imperial ambitions. i wonder if that's how you see the russia, the main motive as this insatiable hunger for more territory and more influence over its immediate neighborhood. the fundamental thing that i see russia was and remains the reactive power and the basic posture and just not

had aggressor or looking for them on the country. much discussions taking place in public station, much over the value or the cost of the empire that was held under the name of the sub material. and there is very little appetite must come to go back to those relationships, which from the standpoint of much cuz we're very costly. russian international activities that, that time will disbursement side very little on the profit side. the rushes relations with savers is and has a core, the idea of buffers, buffer zones, and security, security for every not conquest and additional new territory, which normally would come with the cost of political stability within russia itself . now as a russian, i can clearly understand why moscow felt extremely anxious about

one of its neighbour after another being courted and then drawn into nathan. but i wonder, what is it on the western side that makes washington and alice see russia as an adversary given that until february this year. and i think, to some extent, until this point, the russia has been creek and minimal to negotiations in a compromise. as i said, russia's position, the jury must show the this millennium has been reacted to the aggressive expansionist position that made it has not until february 24th, taking the initiative to defend actually its own interests. and this, this of this is a basis for some criticism of the kremlin, both within russia and by many russians brushes friends outside of rush. i were

considering the responsibility of the kremlin as for maintaining the world's peace and for avoiding a nuclear war as being one of the 2 largest owners of nuclear are nuclear stock bios in the world. i have to understand the caution when i descend, look, i be larry of the russian president. so britain was words very repeatedly and speaking about this so that international issue are careful prudent that it guided russian a virtual. now, it is something that regret of western leaders failed to comprehend, or perhaps took for a witness. i given your understanding of what's inside rationale and mr. dr. let me ask you about one thing that puzzles me, observed here in most k and it is in the fact that that the comment has been pretty

vague about where and when i and this military operation will be seen as accomplished both territorially and in terms of our strategic interest, what do you think moscow should draw them on? and how big is the threat of overreaching, biding? we're then now. moscow can chew. well, russia's primary interest, as i said, is the security issue that preceded the all the, the unleashing of the special military operation. that is to say, no additional territory maybe desirable. taking the blacks. the literal may be an ambition that of the kremlin, but it doesn't exist by itself. it is only in reference to the state of play in between russia and the western general and russia and whatever government the city . and if, if that government remain keeps its hands free to procure and receive

arms and other support from the west, then brushes. ambition of brown has to be sure the reaching is the conclusion of this war is a, make an acknowledgement all around the west centered can so that a few crane cannot be, cannot remain, made a fortress for the united states and nato at brushes, borders, but will instead, be a neutral state, then the territorial ambitions of russia in the special military operation. melissa, certainly, he reduced. i know that in one of your articles he mentioned that there is a possibility of not just too bad. a we ukraine's how do you see the launch commit? well, from the beginning of a special operation to today, the conflict is as new both and changed in nature and intensity, and solutions along the way. drop off the

$33.00, ukraine's. i don't think this is a valid solution anyway for where we are today. however, a rump ukraine has to say, great, stripped of the oxy literal strips of the eastern, a bush, which constitute john barson. 2 of the robots that have now been incorporated in russia, as well as additional territory. this is a likely and k the however, if i say territory, per se, there's nothing which security um huh. which would be an insured by the neutral status of ukraine by the ability of are ours to set up temporary or permanent military establishment on ukrainian territory. that has to be the overall final objective of the crime. one concern that i have about this possible scenario

is that it would mean the ukranian national destiny somewhat akin to the kurdish national destiny, which has long been well had a 4 countries that are large current communities. and any ad division on the people are like that is bound to produce an urge to unite that. you know, some powers may choose to capitalize upon. do you think it's really wise to sac on this conflict by sort of potentially sawing the themes of new ones? well, it depends on the nature of the agreements that are reached, not only between russia, ukraine, but with the other interested parties in this proxy war. yes, there are iron clad guarantees that there will be no assistance to rebuilding a ukrainian army and to providing critics that. but i think russia could be

content, they would not face the risk and the research and what you say, the research, the, the type of response is what you were measuring is likely or make the score continues and take some level and turn the sense that there's additional massive flow refugees from the great that is possible. it is not necessary, but it is possible depending on how this destruction of the energy infrastructure. christine's and whether or not we're from about the permissions and encouragement. lensky and this regime, the ukranian people, flee their cities and that for the west coast you see an out of another 10000000 ukrainians across the border and the u. then the scenario that you just described, of a, a nation diaspora seeking to reconstitute itself. it could be

a realistic situation. well, but in this case of also be here that will have to be dealing with not just russia, mr. dr. we have to take a short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned with me what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have 3 different ation. let it be an arms race is often very dramatic development and getting to disease. i don't see how that will be successful, very critical. i'm time to sit down and talk ah

hey, welcome back to wells far, smith gilbert, dr. of an international affairs analyst, mr. dr. before the break, we discussed how is essential and strategic this issue for russia. but you also mentioned that native credibility has been put on the line and that was even before the latest incident with the remnants of iraq at falling on to the polish cherry tree and killing 2 polish civilians. something that the ukrainians jumped upon to reinforce that narrative. beth rushes out to concur and re the free world, but a need to written native response for now has been fairly subdued. they've not seen it. how would you explain that? well, the response of nato was given by the people who run a setting in washington, not in brussels. they, when we heard a couple of hours after the,

the missile strike. and in forward, when we heard president biden respond to report his questions, his body. what this was all about, and he said that from the trajectory information about because since 9 states planes in that area, it was clear that this missile did not come from the russian side. when he did that, he pulled the rug out monday. not only was mister lansky, but also from those nato countries protecting the baltic states, which had johnson has the jackals that they are to repeat. and, and just so fast, russia was to blame and that's the article for and also the article side of the ryan's treaty should be in vote, but bearing is very close to world war 3. what we saw on this bench was something

extraordinary because similar incidents that occurred in the last 5 years for more actually going back to me and age 17 case is false flag operations. the syria, the allegations that the syrian rooting had used chemical weapons against civilians. these incidents were within minutes of their occurrence denounced from washington and brussels as showing the malevolence, criminal nature, respected machines in moscow or, or in domestics. this did not happen. so the 1st time, but eventually like this just occurred when the united states put a stop to pull the plug on looking backwards, it's a very good evidence that was previous events like make 17 which is being received

today. here in europe. but each of them were stage managed from from washington and london. that's looking back, looking present and forward. it tells you tonight, states is booking with alarm. mr said, asking, and although they make public statements through mr. stoughton berg or in washington, that yes selections are to blame also from happening, because the more they're ranging. the behind the scenes, we made sure. but there are very right where it's the mr landscape for trying to pull nato into a war with russia. well i'm so what, because needed as a one second fire or a raise me lives it was own soldier is it would rather prefer to fight this war through the lives of the ukrainians. now i agree with you totally and this is quite an extraordinary event. and i was particularly surprised by

then one of the articles in the financial times reached expert or run beside to an, an anonymous diplomat from a native country in key that directly accused the landscape of lying and saying that it was more disconcerting than even the missiles so essentially telling the ukrainian leadership that it's not ok to provoke nato in such a way. do you think we're ever reach a point when both sides will be saw in a change with a child that they will have? and then what, then they have back home, remember me, which is russian? yes. so i think the love affair with landscape is fading arise. and it's fading here, i think, but no one rationally welcome the realization

implementation of article 5. no one rational wants to go into a war which russia, which has its logical outcome and the exchange at the end of life on earth. and the united states in particular. and watch, in particular, as you say, it's been very brave with ukrainian soldiers as a bit more realistic, more if you want to be unkind, cowardly. when it comes to a direct contradict with russia. i do hope the criminal takes note of that cowardice because it should be used going forward in dealings between the 2 parties . now speaking about the clement own analysis, you've been pretty irresolute about the years and they don't roles in this country . but he also laid the blame with lodging presents intelligence advisors and him personally for what you call a miscalculation of colossal proportions at the beginning of this operation. what did they get wrong in your view? well, i think it was quite surprising was there was this rony as intelligence for information

coming to the kremlin and guiding the conduct of the 1st few weeks of the war until it became manifest the clear that this would not do what was wrong was the notion which came out of experience in 2014, in march of that year in the, the, the procedures and proceedings on crimea. where a for some 18000 russian soldiers on the, on the peninsula matching approximately the same 800000 the premium armed forces on slip in the serenity, the raising of the white flag by the ukrainians, by many of those ukrainians. abandoning ship literally and figuratively and joining the russian army and joined russia. while others were allowed freely to go home when they gave up weapons that experience assessed in motion. a vision

of ukraine has been very poorly organized as having very locations arctic levels. and that's certainly not to influence the way that russia entered the special military operation, expecting to be met by flowers as their, as their tanks approached. nothing of the sorta ignored the 8 years and indoctrination and of very heavy investment in training that the nato has done over that period. and also be they work both dishes propaganda, street believes across ukraine and force age. patriotism, based on relation to russia that took, have stuck. and so they need to be challenged. russia face to entering into this was different nature, then period what was expected when it began,

i spoke and say a couple of russian and don last military commanders recently. and i think some of those lessons have been learned. and i think over the last couple of months, and what i'm seeing in russia is both the humbling of public rhetoric and the tightening of the, of the military operation bomb will focus on tactical issues on the preservation of resources, both people and weapons and the overall are focused on the actual combat rather than any chance, something propaganda. and it's almost as if the russians have given up on now, winning the informational war. and instead they're focusing exclusively on the conventional war. do you think that's, that's our sort of a wise choice of priorities in this case, to the old expression in english for wisdom that sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can't harmony and information. war is

a war of words. the russians. oh, do not have the experience to not have money vested the information, the worst night states and u. k. in particular have, and this is not a, a domain thus has material consequence. what happens on the ground in a conventional warfare does have consequences. and the same time, a pointer within russia, there's also has been information and it is a war which has had consequences and has helped determine who was the public mood in rushes today as far as i understand they, they, there's been, we talk about the exist of young men from russia to places like your son who to avoid but participating in the war. but there's been a very big axis within russian ministry to ranks of those who were

sitting on to church of those who were closet or even open liberals over the last 20 years. and were playing brakes were slowing down. the development of a, some genuinely sovereign rush, whose people of less the ranks not entirely but largely. and the rushes moved it is decided governed war by people who are in the recent past. what have been called conservatives, and is this conservative patriotism that i see. and it is quite a change and the public announcements about the war has also changed since the middle of september, since the terrorist acts the public information that i see when i watch russian television is far more transparent and trying to say far more honest with the public about the 2 states, the military affairs, and that's very good because with the pull up a reserves,

this is become national war and not a war of the contract soldiers. i agree with you and i think at this point of time we are even seeing the whole notion of conservative being reinterpreted as something that is encouraging people to stay in touch with reality and invest with how all lives in, in what is happening about rather than pontificating about some abstract ideas and i'm reminded here about this old american expression. a perception is reality, which in fact was introduced by one of the republican spin doctors. we ask whether it was served as, as an advisor to ronald reagan and help him win those elections. and i think ever since the american public life and the american policy to a large extent is based on that mantra and ukrainians are very eager to sort of reinforce that percept is reality. that's my than investing so much in the

propaganda ephra than various falls narrative. but i think that a decision has been made in the kremlin. and by putting personally when he called the united states, the pyre flies that he wants to introducing you sort of, i'm sort of a new attitude towards reality and the respectful reality as it is. it's an ontological and philosophical question. but the thing russia has enough resources, not only financial, but i would say, an intellectual or spiritual resources to you know, prove that point. and to reintroduce reality, as it is. and realism, as, as a way of doing politics in the world will go to realism, is all 2 groups. you spoke about perceptions that is a bit dated. she took it back to, to ronald reagan, were living in the age of furniture. and that is your father removed from what is under your feet. so they're not suffering from that infatuation with virtual

reality. and from being cut off from the reality around which from law we're creating and where's what rushes moving precisely that direction? charged realism and full appreciation of the challenge that you faced and not covering a home the rest of the world also find some bird. sure, in that, mr. dr. if we have to live in there, but it's been great talking to you. thank you very much for this conversation. my pleasure. thank you for watching folk to sarah again on well, the part i'm with . mm.

ah, pray will never be a victory for russia. we will see what you're still waiting. i truly need not unless you look at a meal. crane war is a proxy war. this is a war between russia and the united states. naz on our media comes to not shoot, kicked then in carbon dioxide. america forces are and you're not in your to gauge in conflict with russian forces. the american forces are here and defend nato ally would have been shipped natal escalades even more than the special military operations become a war with national. and that notion is much. i see it that i see your to us thinking possibly go to me with. so i use, please be sure me,

can you stop with food or in your sewage near i speak of the girl who's with our parliament is saturated with unconditional hatred towards russia. this parliament will support any measure that goes against most coast policies, even if it will not bring any benefits. the sponsors of this resolution want to push us to war, is over 50 members of the european parliament to reject a resolution to run to russia. a state sponsored terrorism of it strikes and ukraine. we take a look at the west, impunity of targeting civilian infrastructure in was wanting. our next story has some disturbing with us now says the videos showing russian prisoners of war who were report the executed.