months ago, and his accusations that he failed to do with the rising sweats, $30000.00 troops, half already being recruited in the latest drive we heard from local, so expressed their willingness to find full day country, no matter the age limit. 1000 years and nobody took a square centimeter of our territory. i was 16 and i decided to join the army. if one day my country is attacked, even if i am 80 years old, if i can raise my little finger than i will join the army. by volunteering m bruning my stone to the construction of foreign nation, a nation under threat under tara, it is true that 40 percent of the territories under terrorist control. but i hope that with this recruitment together will be able to restore the whole national territory. i think that everyone is asked to contribute to the work. this is a national cause. we have to fight for that. it doesn't mean that every one will carry a weapon, but what we can do to help we will do thanks for joining us. they are naughty

international, this sunday, as always, plenty more of the latest news updates we found on the website r t dot com. but we'll be back in 30 minutes with you one welcome to world to part. then on to launch is we're a time of rapid change, whether or not it saves the cold war was to pull more of the soviet union had been conquered, and history had ended percussion, its people, it was a time of acute hardship, humiliation, and disorientation that 2 decades to overcome past 142022 and rap

change is back with somewhat reversed roles. russia has now come to them and the united states is divided. can the to ever reach a balance of january when, when? well, to discuss that i'm now joined from brussels by gilbert dr. off on the international affairs analysts. mister dr. if it's great to talk to thank you very much for your time. well, thanks ready. now i know that you were living in this country when the soviet union was collapsing and had that amazing opportunity of seeing history development front of your own eyes to the extend, the events of the past years seemed like the past century bygones. i wonder with such conditioning a pretty rare conditioning. how are you taking this years so far? the thing the, the speed and the scale of changes is more or less dramatic than what you saw. i back in the 90 ninety's. well, there is no question, but there is

a similarity here in the way of main street main sprig. clark is allowed to release itself after having been held locked in position for many years. in the case of ranching right is the main main spray was locked for 70 years. here it has been locked for a brief period, but nonetheless, we're seeing an energy change drama change. that is a historic and it is more controlled when it is more conscious than what happened in the attic. 1990. and in this sense, in russia is knowingly willingly taking on a role in changing the world daughter around the principle of multi priority. now, using this matter for of the main spring, one could argue that the more it's controlled, the more it's suppressed the had the foster and the more forceful will be rebound.

using this analogy, where do you seeing the events leading now, both of the relations between russian, the west and war globally? well, there changes at all levels, including changes within russia and the balance with russia. between conservatives, liberals that has been dramatically changed. the balance between russia and the west is something we see in the dynamic. everyday content has many different vectors. it would be the question of the dollarization, the question of the industrialization of europe. and it's fading roland world compared to russia's comparative stability and intended growth through a re industrialization. these are processes that are very much in evidence and use evidence in the, in the daily news the need. as regards the global balance, russia has,

has clearly won the interest and attraction of the global south. i'm so there have been dramatic changes in the world diplomacy that are swept to the sides of our western mainstream, but occasionally reemerge and attract some interests that have in mind the, the changes in the middle east, the changes in relationships between the united states and iran, or western european iran versus russia's growing strategic alliance for the run and rushes, rapprochement and increasing be important to operation with saudi arabia. it's expensive that countries 5060 year, close ties with states. these are issues that come into the nurse there. this is which i'll tell us that the global order was changing in ways that we'll, we'll do it, we'll see, roll out for decades to come over now. and i think it would agree with me that the speed of change is now being expedited by the russian military operation in ukraine

. and perhaps consciously saw at least that, you know, the, the analysts and the decision makers that sometimes talk to you here in moscow make no secret about that. russia also makes no secret about the fact that its main grievance in this whole conflagration with the west was the balance of power and the balance of security in europe at which in the west is usually look through the lines of russia, imperial ambitions. i wonder if that's how you see the russians main motive as these insatiable hunger for more territory and more influence over its immediate neighborhood. the fundamental thing that i see was russia was that remains a reactive power and basic posture and just not had aggressor or looking for them on the country. much discussions taking place in public station

watching over the value or the cost of the empire that was held under the name of the signature. and there is a must have to go back to those relationships which from the standpoint of them were very closely russians. national, i to visit that time rule on a just person side and very little of the profit. so he rushes relations with savers, is and that has a core idea of buffers, buffer zones, and security, security for every not conquest and additional, the territory. which only would come with the cost of slid to go stability within russia. stuff. now, as a russian, i can clearly understand why moscow sounds extremely anxious about one of its neighbour after another being courted and then drawn into nathan. but i

wonder, what is it on the western side that makes washington and its alley see russia and the adversary given that until february this year. and i think, to some extent, until this point, the russia has been pretty minimal to negotiations in a compromise. as i said, russia's position the turing machine, the of this millennium has been, reacted to the aggressive expansionist position of nature. it is not until february 24th, taking the initiative to defend actually its own interests. and this, this, this is a basis for some criticism of the kremlin, both within russia and by many russians brushes friends outside of rush hour. considering the responsibility of the kremlin as for maintaining

a world peace. and for avoiding a nuclear war as being one of the 2 largest owners of nuclear, our nuclear stockpiles in the world. i have to understand the caution. and i have to stand vocabulary of the russian president of britain who was words very repeatedly. and speaking about this, so that international issue are careful prudent, that it guided russian a virtual. now it is something that regret of western leaders failed to comprehend or perhaps check for a witness. i given your understanding of what's inside rationale, and mister dr. let me ask you about one thing that puzzles many observers here in moscow. and it is in the fact that, that the comment has been pretty vague about where and when i and this military operation will be seen as accomplished both territorially and in terms of our

strategic interests. why do you think moscow should draw them on and how big is the threat of overreaching, biding? we're then now, moscow can chew russia's primary interest, as i said, is the security issue that preceded the are the, the unleashing of the special military operation. that is to say, conditional territory maybe desirable taking the black sea literal may be an ambition that of the kremlin, but it doesn't exist by itself. it is only in reference to the state of play in between russia and the western general and russia and whatever government the city . and if that government to remain keeps his hands free to procure and receive arms and other support from the west. then brushes ambition the ground has

to be with further reaching the conclusion. this war is a can acknowledgement all around the west tended kids so that training cannot be, cannot remain a fortress for the states and nato. at brushes borders of instead be a neutral state. then the territorial ambitions of russia, in the special military operation will necessarily be reduced. i know that in one of your article few mentioned that there is a possibility of not just q, but read ukraine's. how do you see the logic of it? from the beginning of a special operation to today, the conflict is, has new bolt changed in nature and intensity and solutions along the way. drop off the 33 grams. i don't think it is a valid solution anyway for where we are today. however,

a rump ukraine has to say great, stripped of the foxy, literal, stripped of the eastern ah bush, which constituted on boston to other roadmaster. now going to court, but in russia as well as additional territory, this is a likely and k the. however, if i say territory, per se, there's nothing which security which would be an insured by the neutral status of ukraine by the ability of, are ours to set up temporary or permanent military establishment on ukrainian territory. that has to be the overall final objectives of the crime. one concern that i have about that this possible scenario is that it would make the ukranian national destiny somewhat akin to the kurdish national destiny,

which has long been well had a 4 countries that are large current communities. and any ad division of the people are like that is bound to produce an urge to unite that. you know, some powers may choose to capitalize upon. do you think it's really wise to sac or this conflict by sort of potentially sawing the themes of new ones? well, it depends on the nature of the agreements that are reached, not only between russia, ukraine, but the other interested parties in this proxy war. yes, there are iron clad guarantees that there will be no assistance to rebuilding a ukrainian army and to providing that. but i think russia could be content, they would not face the risk and the research and what you say,

the research, the, the type of prevention, what you are measuring is likely only if the score continues. it takes of a level in turn, the sense that there's additional massive refugees from the great that is possible. it is not necessary, but it is possible depending on how this destruction of the energy infrastructure. christine's and whether or not we're from about the permissions and encouragement, lensky and his regime. the ukrainian people flee their cities and that for the west coast you see and out of another 10000000 ukrainians across the border and the u. then the scenario that you just described, of a, a nation diaspora seeking to because suit itself, it could be a realistic situation. well, but in this case, it also be that it will have to be dealing with not just russia. 5 mr. dr. we have

to take a short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments stationed a b ah, help come back to wells fargo smith, gilbert, dr. of an international affairs analyst, mr. dr. before they break, we discuss how is essential and strategic this issue for russia. but you also

mentioned that native credibility has been put on the line and that was even before the latest incident with the remnants of our rocket falling on to the polish chair tram, killing 2 polish civilians, something that the ukrainians jumped upon to reinforce the narrative that rushes out to conquer and re the free world, but they 2 written anxious response for now has been fairly subdued. they've not seen it. how would you explain that? well, the, the responsive nato was given by the people who run late in the city in washington, not in brussels. a we heard a couple of hours after the, the missile strike in poland. when we heard a president biden respond to report his questions from bali and what this was all about. and he said that he from the trajectory information about the kind of since

finance tense claims in that area. it was clear that this missile did not come from the action side. when he did that, he pulled the rug out from under, not only mis, mister zalinski, but also from those nato countries, particularly baltic states, which had jonathan as the jackals that they are to repeat and assist for russia. was that to blame? and that the article for us of the article 5 of the last tree should be in vote, but very, very close to 113. what we saw on this vent was something extraordinary because similar incidents that occurred in the last 5 years for more than that actually. but going back to be in a 17 case, these 1st flag operations,

the syria made allegations of the syrian regime, had used a chemical weapons against with civilians. these incidents were within minutes of their occurrence denounced from washington and brussels as long as showing the malevolent criminal nature of respective regimes in moscow or in domestics. this did not happens the 1st time that events like history occurred. will united states put a sub to pull the plug on? this isn't working backwards. it's a very good evidence to those previous events. like i think, 17 interesting we received it today. i'm here in europe. the. these events were stage managed from, from washington and london. but looking back, looking at president ford,

it shows you that states is between little war mr. so that's good. and i am bold though, and they both statements to mrs. so simberg or washington that yes, to blame. most of. secondly, because we're there raging. the behind the scenes, we're very sure there are very right words, because let's for trying to pull nato into a war rich. russia, well, it's a little because it doesn't wanna sacrifice or isn't the lives of its own soldiers . it would run to prefer to fight this war through the lives of the ukrainians. now i agree with the children and this is quite an extraordinary and event. and i was particularly surprised by and then one of the articles in the financial times which i expressed are undecided, anonymous diplomat from

a native country in key. and that directly accused the landscape flying and saying that it was more disconcerting than even the missiles. so essentially telling the ukrainian leadership that it's not ok to provoke nature in such way. do you think i've ever reach a point when both sides will be so irritated with a child and that they will have to show them what then they have that common enemy, which is russian? yes. so i think the love affair with landscape is fading, arise, and fading. and here, i think no one rationally welcome the realization implementation of article 5. no one rational wants to go into a war which russia, which has its logical outcome and nuclear exchange at the end of life on earth. and the station particular wash. in particular, as you say,

it's been very brave. ukrainian soldiers as a bit more realistic, more if you watch the on time cowardly. when it comes to a direct contradict with russia. i do hope the kremlin takes note of that cowardice because it should be used going forward. dealings between the 2 parties. now speaking about the clement own analysis, you've been pretty irresolute about the years and they don't roles in this culture . but he also laid the blame with lighting and putting intelligence advisors and him personally for what you call a miscalculation of colossal proportions at the beginning of this operation. what did they get wrong in your view? well, i think it was quite surprising was there was this erroneous intelligence information coming to the kremlin and guiding the conduct of the 1st few weeks of the war until it became manifestly clear that this would not do what was wrong, was the notion which came out of my experience in 2014,

in march of that year in the, the, the procedure in proceedings on crimea, where the force of 18000 russian soldiers on the, on the peninsula matching approximately the same 800000 cranium armed forces slip in the serenity the raising of the white flag by the ukrainians, by many of those ukrainians, abandoned ship, literally and figuratively and joining the russian army and joined russia. while others were allowed freely to go home when they gave up their weapons. that experience assessed in motion a vision of ukraine has been very poorly organized as having very locations arctic levels. and that certainly have to influence the way that russia entered the special military operation, expecting to be met by flowers as their,

as their tanks approached. nothing of the sorta, it ignored the 8 years of the dr. nation and of very heavy investment in training that the nato has done over that period. and also be the work of dishes propaganda. street believes across ukraine when the force age, patriotism, based on relation to russia that took, have stuck. and so they need to be challenge that russia face to entering winter. this was a different nature. then period what was expected when again i spoke and say a couple of russian and don last military commanders recently. and i think some of those lessons have been learned. and i think over the last couple of months and what this i'm seeing in russia is both the humbling of public rhetoric and the

tightening of the, of the military operation by more focus on tactical issues on the preservation of resources. both people and weapons and. c the overall i focus on the actual combat rather than any chance, something propaganda. and it's almost as if the russians have given up on now, winning the informational war. and instead they're focusing exclusively on the conventional war. do you think that's? that's our sort of a wise choice of prayer, if it's in this case, was the old expression in english folk wisdom. that sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can't find me. and information war is a war of words. the russians. oh, do not have the experience to not have money vested. the information were submerged states, and u. k. in particular, have been, this is not a, a domain,

thus has material consequence. what happens on the ground in conventional warfare thus have consequences. and then the same time a point to the within russia, there's also has been information and it is a war which has had consequences and has helped determine what the public mood rushes today. as far as i understand the, the there is, can we talk about the axis of young men from russia to places like your son to avoid. but i think in the war, but there's been a very big axis within russia, ministry to ranks of those who were sitting on to church, of those who were closet or even open liberals in over the last 20 years. and were playing brakes were slowing down. the development of a,

some genuinely sovereign rush, those people of the west, the ranks not entirely but largely. and the rushes numbered is decided governed war by people who were in the recent past would have been called conservatives. and is this conservative patriotism that i see. and it is quite a change and the public announcements about the war. i've also changed since the middle of september, since the terrorist acts of the public information that i see when i watch a russian television is far more transparent and trying to say far more honest with the public about the 2 states military affairs. and that's very good because with the pull up, the reserves is just begun national war and not a war of the contract soldiers. i agree with you. and i think at this point of time, we are even seeing the, the whole notion of conservative being reinterpreted as something that is

encouraging people to stay in touch with reality and invest with the whole lives in, in what is happening about rather than anticipating about some abstract ideas and i'm reminded here about this old american expression a perception is reality, which in fact was introduced by one of the republican spin doctors. we ask whether we're served as a, as an advisor, sharon and reagan and help him windows elections. and i think ever since the american public life and the american policy to a large extent is based on that mantra and ukrainians are very eager to sort of reinforce that percept is reality. that's my than investing so much in the propaganda ephra than various falls narrative. but i think that a decision has been made in the kremlin. and by putting personally when he called the united states, the empire flies that he wants to introducing you sort of, i'm sort of a new attitude towards reality and the respectful reality as it is. it's an

ontological and philosophical question. but do you think russia has enough resources not only financial, but i would say, intellectual or spiritual resources to you know, prove that point and to reintroduce reality as it is. and realism, as, as a way of doing politics into world will, going to realism is all 2 groups. you spoke about perceptions and that is, up to date. it took it back to, to ronald reagan were living in the age of virtue. and that is your father removed from what is under your feet so that i have suffered from that infatuation with virtual reality. and from being cut off from the reality around which from law we are create, then where's what rushes moving precisely that direction?

charged realism and a full appreciation of the challenge that you fish and not covering. oh, i hope the rest of the world also find some bird. sure and bad that mr. dr. if we have to live in there, but it's been great talking to you. thank you very much for this conversation. my pleasure. and thank you for watching hope to sara again on well, the part. ah mm hm. mm. mm. ah. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy

confrontation, let it be an arms. race is often very dramatic development only really and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical. i'm time to sit down and talk a parliament, the search rating unconditional it always. russian police parliament with any measure that goes against most of the policy struggle, even if it does not bring any benefit causes of this resolution. want to push us on walk as a 50 members of the european parliament to reject a resolution to brand russia and stay phone to terrorism. i've worked strikes in ukraine. we expose the impunity of western military interventions with committed atrocities against civilians and other countries. some graphic, distressing image of a.