a grid, and the there seems like you know, that there's this narrative that ukraine is still winning, which is so kind of counterintuitive to what reality is on the ground, the more the electricity grid and infrastructure that is destroyed in ukraine, the less likely russia will have any interest in any kind of cease fire? i mean, well, on the side it wants to cease fire is the side that's losing. but the west gives the perception that russia wants to cease fire in. so this is so kind of productive and really destructive to ukraine. because there is no reason why if you're winning, there's no reason why you shouldn't talk. go ahead martin. yeah, well i think fake news is actually keeping this war going on now. and the people who are losing the rulers, the people who really pay the price. so just humble ukrainians, you know, i really feel sorry for them. i just recently this, we are sort interviewed by the bbc's correspondent with mr. lensky. mr. sons, his wife. and she asked the 1st lady, you know,

what's going to happen with the electricity will not goes. and she replied, well, you know, we've, we've, we've spoken to craniums and your friends have told us that they can handle that for the next couple of years. well, you know, i find it very hard to believe and i've spoken to you when you spoke to who i didn't see the referendum, i didn't see that pop up anywhere. you know what she remains is, she probably spoke to a few of her cronies in the co, which make up the elite around zalinski family. and some of those billionaires drive around and bulletproof, mercedes are said, well, we can put up with it for a couple of years. you know, we got the generators and we can buy black market diesel. but the reason they go to the french riviera when it gets cold. yeah. you know, but you know, british virgin islands were very special this monday. you know, there's been enough reporting on that. so we do know that this is going on. but fake news and distortion of news and the a mission. and that's really my mind. but you know, as a journalist, it's not as often it's not distortion of this is the mission over quarter in is not

enough. reporting is going on by western jonas to actually show that actually does this destruction of the infrastructure. electricity is a hugely powerful leverage in this war. and if people start to really feel the winter can't get water because water's pump electricity, they can't get heating, they can't get drugs can get food, you know, that is a massive point of leverage on the russian side. so this is being misreported all the time. and there's a lot of lies being pumped out there. i mean, i'm just not checking this. so there's that. it's not giving us the facts that we need on the ground. so the result of all that unfortunately, is that the world gets prolonged and there's just no hope for any peace talks because you have this defiance this, this ignorance, this blinded weather and dogma attitude by the european union, particularly officials and brussels. you know that there is no news, there is no grazer, there is no middle ground that we can talk. there's only one solution,

which is what we will win or will carry on backing zalinski government. but you know, you have to learn in that sense in that narrative gets it right. but for the wrong reasons, let me go to demo there. there in, in the west is this kind of mentor. you know, you do this all the time when, when right? but demon in this, the way this conflict was constructed by nato, with a ukraine as a willing volunteer, not a victim as a volunteer into this is going to be a win lose situation. and it will be one of those situations where it is actually quite black and white. one side is going to win and one side is going to lose in the loser, is going to be vanquished. and the implications of that for the neo liberal ideology and their worldview was going to be devastating. that's why we keep hearing the narrative. ukraine is winning because in into actually,

if they got even intellectually, but psychologically they can accept the fact that they are going to lose a war that they started. well, yes. so 1st i would like to stress the no one here is k. and about the piece degreed in ukraine, you know, is able to about people staying without water and electricity, especially though no one here is happy about that. and if the russian nationalism has never been particularly strong and russian never came out in the beginning of the 20th century, nor often like in that you want the state collapse. there are very few se question nationalists actually consider themselves, you know, period greens, most russians consider your green yes. part of themselves. you know, these are the same people who have the same rights and they should be, they can have their own state, but that they should be a problem. is that since 2014, the whole resume,

that gradient state wants to know where to rush. no rush and talk with the fact that you had not been a friendly state until 2014 ok. they have their own country fine. but to make it completely hor, style was a huge, huge adventures. a step on the part of the west. so in that sense, president jim is not the worst choice. i mean, he can see the premiums, the same people with russians. for that reason, he did not give the water to ball the green in the system for 9 months. you know, he had been waiting for, for some kind of diplomatic solution or some kind of, more humane way to resolve. we started doing it on the after that there on the cranium bridge, which was if you were there is, you know,

in which 2 people died by the way. so basically, a, when you say, when you know in russian language, there is a, there are 2 kinds or what, what for, for the, for the, for to when you can win in a gamble, we don't use that. what will be great. we or you can all come, you will be teach, which means you know, to overcome the difficult to believe that trouble behind you. so we want to come and we will do it. i just look at the facts on the ground. water. com. it's the so what analysts is absolutely right when he says that basically a russia will certainly win this winter because the kind of 80000 men are coming. you know that it was troops the, the previous are given in dos is not reported to the west, but every day small

a small, a me about a fish degree. we did in 9 months, something that the americans did with the rock and survey in the 1st, in the 1st 3 weeks, all taken all the pcm taken out and we didn't even take out 10 it. so basically a story that is a mystery. want it in the west. so you're absolutely right about the reason these people are terrified or losing, you know, and not personally, there i do you and then who will listen to the greens in, you know, a garage or i call sensors. you know, she said when she came in ukraine, that these people could be asked. and even do you speak a magazine which completely supports the now the girl narrative, they wrote, this was a lot, you know, these people died in

a later. they most likely were killed by the gradient, or they were actually down to big stems over the exposure to say what you said was simply and why, and that's what you're speaking, right? you know, so, you know what a waste you're absolutely right. these people out there, you find out that they are, i do or would you this is if you are, i don't want to. and the fact that the european parliament, a whole brushing with there is one in russia sponsor of terrorism doing something that even the united states did. it shows you that, well, no, i'm good with dorothy here. it's not where didn't with ideology and in the are p and you know, the, that's what makes it and that's what makes it so dangerous. you know, martin, one of the oddities of all of this year when we think of the sub stations that are being destroyed, the electricity grid, there's only one country in the world that can replace them. and it's not

a nato country. it's actually russia. and there is a precedent for after 2014, when crimea returned to russia, main ukrainian and the care of officials. they cut off electricity to crimea, and russia had to solve for citizens. it electricity issue and it was resolved. so there's no western technology. there's no magic bullet out there, there's nothing that can be done, it will take years and they like and like i point out all of this is soviet era technology and it's not being produced in ukraine and certainly not in the nato country. your thoughts? yeah. energy just keeps going about energy time to get that, you know, so many times. and if we take a look at the big picture and we, we use energy as a sort of measuring tool, you know, who is really winning this war. it's america. america is just cleaning up america, is selling a guest to the europeans of 4 times the price that americans pay. you know, america is really flexing his muscles more and more,

more than ever with european union countries. and they are quite happy to play that service. and i agree with you, they're cleaning up what they're doing. i don't know what the ratio is been paying 4 times more for energy. they used to get the right. that was relatively cheap. i don't know what the ratio is, but i'm sure it's me. the productivity is gone. maybe down inversely 4 times less in productivity because of the high cost of the energy. so it's, it's a double whammy the american companies are cleaning up, but it's destroying the competitiveness of the european economy. go ahead exactly. on this new bill inflation or, i mean it all crudely cool. be all right. i mean, they really need to work on that. you know that, i mean, this is really we're in the europeans right now for the 1st time. since this was started with the beginning to see real voices of concern, real complaints coming from brussels, from the french government,

from the germans. because as i look after this irate act, the buttons pulling now you know that just completely tips the competitiveness towards the americans. even more and, you know, many top officials are asking, are the americans really are elias, you know, so this is a result of the kind of more, you know, a 1st of all, i think there will be a division at some point there is going to be a certain split between europe and its relationship with america and for the for the moment, mine seems to be in a comfortable position. he, there's no incentive from the americans whatsoever to end this war. i want it to go on forever, and we have to go to a hard break. and after that break, we'll continue our discussion until mill, new state with our team. ah ah ah ah picked up would important good with celia was

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ah, welcome back to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter. well, this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah. lima wanting to continue with the discussion that i was having with martin really i gave the type ology really quite well and it's, it's very interesting and it's not what media and western media, what they're reporting essentially, you know, they use russia is the object of hatred right, it's russia's fault, unprovoked attack. all of this kind of stuff here. everything started on february

24th of this year. nothing has talked about what happened to the over the last 8 years. you know, with, with russia special military operation. the european union, nato is mobilized against russia, and the us comes and picks everybody's pockets and they continue to pick everyone's pockets. the productivity goes down and whose fault of is it? it's rush is a cherry on top of everything here. is we all agree they want to keep this going. the, the west that is, they know that russia is not going to stop until it gets what it wants. not means. we have to go back to december 17 and look at those 2 documents that were sent to nato and to washington. they still are in effect gentlemen, nothing has changed. ok. so this is the gambit here. so and this is that you were when martin had to say that i have kind of tightened up here. is the narrative western audiences, if they were told it, wouldn't even comprehend edema. yes. well,

you're absolutely right to that. there are some suggestions are still, course, and it's interesting that the in the united states, i was fascinated by this article in the heel by bruce funding congress. i'm reading the congress should and the green i was going to call, you know, a year for the real reason why a and roommate in february, they did not begin. you know, they did not started battery. they ever was because natal kept expanding and your grade was becoming a defacto effect to spear natal. right. and here a little bit with with martin is right, right here. that united states. so it's been great.

$100000000000.00, you know. support for you. great or? yeah, raphael, no, no, no, no, no, no the man i got to push back against you pushing back more. that's not money. that's paper that's printed ok. that's debt. ok. it's not real. ok. it's ok. ok, so that, you know, but the other side is yet, this debt is enriching the arms company that is real for them. ok. it, but you know, the, when it gets that don't get away from the productivity issue here. because when you can take monetary policy at all, you want, ok, it's complicated, and it's political productivity is real. ok? it's real and how much it something costs go ahead. yeah, well, so the state is, in fact it did, we can in europe, in several ways a by basically making this warning ukraine thinking you,

why is the war and you can continue because there is a 9th of states, right? not to grade without. great. well, i mean, the ukrainian people i kept hostage by there. oh frank betral. right? you're right in responsible state. he reminds us that a conductor, the full in crania before another in 2014 about join in russia. 91 percent of the surgery for the 91 percent premiums in favor of russia go for the 83 percent . so the fevers, for example, in capsule, 87 percent of the people are support. they're basically correct. they're all of them in the past where it's 98 percent because people suffer for 8 years in here . so it's like what the biggest, real so when you say, well,

the last thing says nothing about read without brilliant government. basically they are saying something, right? nothing about that hostage without it. right? so that will make the war continue indefinitely. you're absolutely right about that, but this is only one of the ways in which other stages we can in europe are nice. this is a real with china and economic want. if you want, and there is even more expenses in perspective, then it's like, obviously the american elite will continue to promote american edge money around the world. what was really the sad comment about this is the weakness of european leads. ok. i mean, it's obvious for anyone to see that, you know, you know, martin, the, the interesting thing about this, as i said in my introduction, is that you know, the more arms and more arms. now the u. s. is going to pick up the budgetary

obligations of ukraine in government, really with no oversight in auditing a recipe for absolute plunder. ok, but me, the longer this goes on, when i think this weekend, we were going to see protests all across europe. is it the story? this is the story about the conflict in ukraine is about the deterioration of living standards in europe. and because that's what i get more and more stories about the cost of energy and the cost of food. and there's going to be any diesel in the u. s. in 10 days. that that's how the store. it was. it wasn't designed that way, but that's how it's going. because the, if you look at american wars with its nato allies, afghanistan's, syria, iraq, libya, and those were all abstractions for western public schools. most of them couldn't find out where, where they were on the map. this contact ukraine is not an abstraction to western

publics. and consumers now and that's with i think that's what's going to be the pivot point in how the west will it in, in weeks, months pursue this conflict. go ahead learn. yeah. and i think so you have to remember that some, some of those notes are tax, particularly the one and show me love you $9095.00 were illegal. they were actually, you know, clinton went ahead without the support of the united nations. totally legally, totally against it. but excuse me, international laws, but i think of your right to say the emphasis now will be on european citizens and how they cope with this winter. it's been very mile so far. we've had a few weeks of very, very mild weather. but when that starts to get worse, perhaps some point in december, and then the political dynamic will completely change. and i think that is being sent now by the european union and leaders like micron. we recently said, look, this gus arrangement we have with america. it's not really very friendly, you know,

i mean these are allies and so it's starting this antagonism, this sort of baker's narrative is beginning amount is, are directly linked to european suffering. so i think the energy issue, the heat, or if i can jump in here, it's no coincidence that the north stream pipelines were destroyed because there's no turning. there's no, you know, i mean, the big winner was america. and now the thing that was always planned in the longer term, you know, but if we talk about the longer term, i think it's important now to look at the look at the timeline and take a step back. we'll congress back $37000000000.00 a military a. the button is pushing unlikely. now the republicans have the house. it may will be watered down, it may be delayed, but, you know, the republican republican side is always bang on about transparency and you know, he had the opportunity to create transparency tools. he didn't do that. so that is going to have a major impact on the ground in the ukraine. and i think the russians know that i think they play the longer game. and with the destruction of utilities,

with the military 8 now dropping quite considerably, we will see a different ukraine war in the next few weeks, the next few months. and, you know, where is the europe and all this? you know, it has this puppet preposterous parliament in strasburg, which was why my ad was created one year after the you created itself. there was a man dashed as panic. oh, we don't have a democratic institution. you know what we're going to do. so the created here for empowerment one year later as built on it's the only parliament in the entire world . we don't have the authority. so we're both draft legislation. think about that for a minute. you know, and what does it do? it just name cools, it just says, oh russia is a sponsored state terrorism, you know, without sure the and piece are compensated well, it's a good, it's a good, good given it, it's a great number. yeah. you know, and i'm also going to look at the green impact of moving 100 kilometers every 2 weeks from brussels to stroudsburg, just to keep the french happy. you know,

some of the study on this years ago, you know, the carbon footprint is just gigantic. so they have, oversee, is absolutely stunning and corruption rules and you know, the you is really standing by now and alone. this will continue, but you know where it will end. i just, i don't see the ukrainians being the winners in the let's of lemons. i see, i think this explains why the lens is starting to panic. now there's enough on the internet, whether we can believe it or not, that is a cocaine addiction. very possibly even losing his mind when we looked at the last few months, the last few weeks, sorry, of the attack on the black sea for please you know, which was pretty crazy in itself and, and his press statements which were released seconds afterwards. taking the high moral ground that we need to feed the starving africans and you know, supporting what's going on here. but it didn't expect the russians 2 days later, to come back to dealer carry on, or even offer to give drain free for the africans. you know, so that was really bullshit. thought it was, you know, the attack component with

a stray missile, which was actually a russian missile, but no one believes to put him to that is completely out of the question. i'm pretty sure that came from his people as well. you know, and now more recently starting to sort of rang and beg people, you know, british prime minister just flew in very recently. hilarious. you know, big, big bear hug. and cynic said, i've come with 50000000 pounds, 50000000 pounds. wow. you know, i mean, his, his cronies behind it must have been so good giggling a lunch at least. you know, it's very interesting because it takes people real people that understand the military, how military and conventional military works. so when the washington post of the f t, they x number of millions of rounds and all that for us, it's like, wow, like a big number. but then i'm told, well peter, that's like for today or a modern military. ok. and so they, they overwhelmed me with, you know,

ganging little shiny things in front of you, but it has no meaning whatsoever. it's virtue, signaling that's all they're doing is virtually in 30 seconds. go ahead. before we finish, go ahead. i was watching that european powell in the sense this and it's, it's nice that sounds well when they adopted this resolution. what in russia states wants to, and there is, they basically create the growl for decoupling, for the department of european economy from the russian to get with the department from the chinese economy. this will berry, this will just make it that, wow, deem a you and you have a buckle of dig ending of all time on cross. it reads all the gentleman. i want to make my guess in medication here in moscow. i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time remember, prospect rolls. ah ah,

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