want to for your annotation. now let me start with your a quite unusual academic experience, which includes heading centers for both russian and american studies. given your understanding of both cultures. why do you think the russians and the americans are so stuck in their life? hey, dynamic, do you think we are destined to be each other's dark doubles? i think both of them are a great part worse than that, this nor mode because united states unfortunately won't to be the only great power in the whole board. but now russia is a pat king, a sensor that's very important to speech of chris, important to so them as 7 in them. we on that her, her conference, and a multi letter and multi pooler system. it is normal. it's is the norm of the, the globe is to have different powers, different culture difference civilizations. oh,

so i think what is the united states doing is that is this then the lord of the whole global. so it is unlocked, and i think that it is very dangerous for the whole globe. what the lightest is doing. and i think that is also a south globe, a voice, a supporting crusher in moving toward multi electoral and multi polar for system. because it is sir norm, well, and it is the what should be done. and that is fair and justice for all of us. are you wrote recently that on the policies of the west, for example, western sanctions. ah, they are also hurting not only russia, but the entire world, and the more, more specifically, even the western populations themselves. and i wonder how do you take a gee thing that saw the arrogance of western decision makers discounting type of

hiring not only owe to the rest of the world but to the our own population. or do you think that's deliberate? i think i ye vista to russia many times by the way, from fed up to date, i had 4 of to 5 visits. i think her thank is gods russia has laughing and i see that to sit so it's okay in russia, but to the rest of the whole wards of the one was suffering from the sanctions. and as you mentioned, european themselves, a software for suffering from my point of view, the one was suffering more and more they were being if we wanted to say or a lowe's or oh, suffering from that war, or what come ukraine and european then united states. and i, unfortunately, yes, africa and some other countries also suffering and europeans and don't to care a lot about what is going in the whole ward and about what is going in their countries. they want to only to defeat russia. those is

a sanctions against russia. thus, the one was suffering as the rest of the world and europeans, because russia is a very important country for a wait for other greens or for a gosh. and nobody can live without greens and gas. russia from it's aside a proposed to export seeds to export a greens, a, a just to without to. i mean it said like cam and free for other countries and are of particularly african countries. a pot european once again plucked that diaz. this is actually a very interesting point because western powers like to portray themselves as the sort of the primary defenders of human rights and the benefactors of humanity. but as you pointed out, there are many countries that are pretty desperate at this point of time. and then one more piece,

well within western societies who say the same things that you're saying right now, but the doesn't seem to change western policies. how long do you think that will gone or what kind of resolved your thing if may produce within europe at south? or if we are talking about human rights, the right of food is the basic right. how can anybody without food doing anything? he would go to elections, he would go to education, he would go to war. no. so if you will not provide towards it, all aspects of life or other human rights will not be exist. i think the situation in europe is very critical. deb daily, we have demonstrations. we have a marsh's in not only in the what we called the small european conscious oh those are suffering before. know even in france and germany, germany the the biggest or economy european economy. now

a suffering according to i m f. and the european would lows one trillion a point for a from old. what is going on? this is amazing. i mean, this is a great, a lot for europeans are also, according to i, m f as dimensions. they're all their european countries and economists would go to a stagnation and maybe it reach 0 gross. so i know why that politicians in your or a don't want to see that and to solve the problem. it is easy. it is easy to stop the one who started actually the war, the europeans united states. so it's easy to stop everything and little he's like right there. i mean, he, if you consider it from our strategic point of view, but if you consider it from an arrogant i don't,

this is the point of view that it's very, very difficult. now, you mentioned that poverty, a lack of economic opportunities, arrogance of power, can unleash very powerful and sometimes very destructive social forces. and those forces can throw societies back for years, maybe even decades. i think we saw some of that during the arab spring uprisings in egypt, but also in many of the neighboring countries. for example, libya. do you think something similar is possible in europe? yes, it's possible because it may be, it would be worse because people in europe a don't use the term very difficult in their lives. they are well, 1st states welfare people who usually live in a very good to standard of living, having everything and every time. so to make them live in lake of o shorts afford order energy, aura, being we are here and got a very am urge hoggard things. i mean like of some people said that either to get

food or to be for energy. what i can do with my little income, this is in your of this isn't francis in germany, can you imagine as so i think that situation may be getting worse and worse. upcoming am on sunday or the fuel coming months of december and january, i think would be very difficult for them. you know, back in 2011, i was in libya covering their presence and it was horrifying to see how a relatively well off country can go downhill in just a couple of months. i mean, i saw all those western supported rebels ransacking as they don't companies or even hanging policeman on, on land post, you know, lynching people out in the broad daylight. and i think at that time, among western reporters, there was sort of an idea that you know, it's, there are arrow people who do that. but the europeans, they're more individualistic, they would never do anything like this to the chelsea. and yet me remember all the

world wars that started in europe and the, the horrifying experience that the people deep to one another. it's air turn frightening. just think about something like that. but i wonder if you think that this 3rd won't work, would begin in europe. again and i'm, i mean we all have some respite, dine in our hearts, but don't you think of something like this would be so, so dangerous to oh, oh, lastly m at 10 may be one year or a before a when somebody talking about the 3rd world war we said, what? so what does it mean? never happened to cetera. but to actually, after all, what we seen, i think it is not impossible. who knows? because actually you, the western policies is very harmful, very destructive,

as you mentioned. and nobody know what the order he will do and not only in europe by the way, but look to asia. for example. i recently, a defense, a stretch american defense, this thread ship, that declared by the pentagon and 27th of october. i just, sir. a 3 weeks ago mentioned clearly that the china is that furnished the threat to the united states. and it's also focused more and more about alliances, miniature alliances in into the pacific region. that means that the largest states it having many theaters of conflict and many a theaters of clashes, one of them in europe with russia. another one would be in an eastern asia with the china, so whole whole knows from what point it may start to bottom. no,

would you now say it is impossible? it may happen. unfortunately. yes, we all are hope that it never happened. but with that, the united states to distract of policy and i think it's the one will be responsible for it. they nighty states, you mentioned that it was her in or the, the current events were unimaginable only a decade ago. and i think it was hard to believe of and 5 years ago that the entire sectors of the global economy bid their food sent urology fertilizer sector could be deliberately compromised. for the sake of geopolitics in a, we didn't believe that that was possible. and yet they says, the reality believe in, do you think that's a new norm? and if so, how do you think it will affect the global economy going forward? you think it will change any patterns within how our countries do business, how they protect themselves from that kind of in a bachelor i,

i think the united states and europe miscalculate is the russian a power. and how far russia is very vital, very important for the horde war economy. and that is that they didn't take into account and that, that the problem that we all live in now or would be a tragedy later on. i mean, shortage of food, shortness of energy that would affect your p s most dramatically, but other countries in africa and asia, even in latin america. and that's why growth house now is, is having one voice and calling for these that crisis. because the crisis not only are again this to russia, but it is again this of the whole ward. and i think that the world changed many things. not only that, the pattern of economy, a part i think that it would change the structure of and national system itself. i

think of the gulf house now trusting russia more and more as a part, not a and as a great power responsible. now the image of the united states and europe, that the are a responsible, a power. so you, you cannot count of them and do you, you cannot trust of them to leads the whole grow. you can actually count on them a deliberately harming as the rest of the world if that since that interest professor. we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments statement ah ha. ah

. with mm. welcome back to one of parts with neuron. i was check, professor of political science at pyre university. professor before the break, we were discussing the current geopolitical situation. and you mentioned that the,

the world is watching what's going on. and it's not necessarily taking the american of the russian side, but it's looking after its own interest and it just happens to be the, the russian line. our hope is more in line with the interest of the rest of humanity. and i think that's an interesting point because as russia's conscience with the west deteriorated over the last decade, russia invested a lot of diplomatic effort into building its ties with other countries. for example, with turkey with which we had very tenuous relationship over syria. and there were some very perilous accidents with the church shooting down the russian plane, but the russian deliberately made sure that he wants to have those functioning ties and it wants to meet turkey halfway the same with other countries. let's say the saudi arabia war. well, it has always been a russia, so very strong partner, but in any case, there was a delay. it asked for it in investing into diplomacy and the new kind of diplomacy that allows countries me the child there half way. do you think it's still

a possibility between, let's say russia and the west, or let's say the rest and the west, g. think some, some sort of a balanced, mutually amicable, and mutually respectful way of dealing with each other is possible at this point. i think it would it politics, there is nothing impossible in politics or if there is interest so much inc. interests would push forwards in the relationship. i think one day though europe pianist themselves will back to russia because the need to russia and because the russia is europe, by the way, you may know that to russia, to present to 40 percent of european continent as so russia in, by all the way you know, i think we all saw pretty proud of her asian. oh, yes, sure, sure. her, that i, i mean that you will be, it should realize that you cannot avoid russia. you cannot to ignore russia or

escape it. russia, they're light, china like other countries like of the globe thous as a whole is they are in the whole ward. so i think it is sooner or later. they will realize that to, but i'm, from my point of view you'll be in will not back as grade powers again. well, that's actually our leading me into my next question because they are, they, they have been some contexts are tentative context between i like them and pollutants, and joseph biden, i confidence on the issue of strategic secure. and janet has been speculated that if those talks are substantive enough, that if they lead to official discussion, that that discussion could be held north in switzerland as we are all used as in our neutral ground during the cold war. but rather in egypt, what do you may call far the sir emergence of egypt as, as a renew, negotiating space between the global north. ah, that means that the globe south is, is rising. and did that,

you will be in a now a lowest of they are it, could it ability and there are, do you know pilots because it before. hello. thank you. for example, was one of the mean scenes for such as dialogues and her are meeting between russia and soviet union even before is in the united states. but now as finland lost its parlance or and eternity. so now we are moving to that group 1000 whole wanted to be the main appellant. sure. in the relation between we sent the east in general and making a stability in that war to order. and so i think that is why i think that the globe 1000 generally and egypt in particular may play a very important role in such a regard. do you think the inter political neutrality of the 21st century would be

in any way different from the, from what was, was perceived as neutrality in the 20th century? will i take something different? i think because neutrality in the 20th century, are related to cold war. yes, yes. some people said cold war never came to an end. and are we are now in the cold, another cold war of but i think it is not a cold war. it is. and your work order to be created and we are in transition period. and this threat and transition period should having some and in a stability is some are a, some ways of conflicting to a more forward to a new era. a new era more palin sits, are more fair for old. and of course, well this helps. you know that some i and tripler just how long considered egypt as

a, essentially the birthplace of european and christian civilization. i'm in the midst of i cyrus clearly has sound ah, some parallels both, both with the bible and the way with the koran. and i think in the world right now we have more and more. i'm sort of for a competition of narrative. what, what makes human humans are, you know, what is this substance of human life? what is the purpose of politics? what is the ultimate goal of governance? i wonder if you think that the edge of chem considered it contributes something to all the world or perhaps to europe at this point of time as it did before. and i think it said egypt and all i was a globe 1000. now thinking of a human being in climate, som, it in charm a shave. it was obvious that egypt calling for peace for if you want for more

prosperity, more equality for the whole globe and particularly the south and within this house, africa a come of course. so i think the climate summit was giving a very important message to old to and conflicts among them, the conflict and in your crane to look more and more about development about the common challenges, the whole glove. now it facing critical challenges among them. a climate change of food, a crisis, as you mentioned, energy crisis, iso richer. so we are facing very critical challenges. it is not the time to fight each other or trying to churn nick a giant. it is not that we should think of the globe not think in our video, a tie, neat just as of one country or one government or even one president. it is the time

to think about the whole globe saw you hope that the message then by climate change summit and, and char machine would be listened by you. washington by european countries will. although the art pretend that they are doing hard that but i see little effort to to comb or our war is and challenges. you know, speaking this her sense of shared humanity lost here. i made a little pilgrimage around it shift to visit old coptic monasteries, and i, what i found there is a very vibrant allies, faith when you can sit with people from all walks of life, from old, different religions. and they don't care in a what kind of persuasion you have, whether you are in a christian, an atheist, whether you're russian or american, whether you're in the truck addict or, you know, a business man. you can connect on the human level. and i rarely have that experience with the so called progressive speaker. so when you and her western i'm,

you know, groups, they usually 1st establish who you are, what you think. and then they decide whether or not to connect with you as a and being. and i went out to ask you, why do you think this new school of thought this new edge ology says? so i'm so dogmatic in a sense, wild, these ancient and i would say primitive religions seem to be still very encompassing of you know, of all sorts of human experiences. this, as you, you mentioned that is human. so because it was human, so it was easy to connect it to all the humans. but so that's a dogma or a geology at connected more to interest, to interests of elite or 2 interests of persons. so whenever you connect anything and make it personal as so it's coming close. but whenever you are, feel a connecting to a whole society to other that human being and gender,

you would be more often. and in egypt to actually it's is very good example for that. we are in egypt. never ask about tradition, or we know each other for long time and never ask about sir irrigation, or if you pray or not, if you're fossil not know. and that is that very also a nice thing that we all have the same old clothes tradition in face or door or door does islamic christina, it doesn't matter, but the same what we are doing and our faces in our celebrations nearly the same are also all differences in the revision, so it's very nice. i mean this is a good example in dosher also i noted that this kind of humanity in general, a religious or live together a today the conference. it was very great to have christians, muslims, a buddhist and all of them together. this is very great. it is great,

but it also requires i thing am moral ends, sort of ethical discipline to put yourself on the same level as other people, rather than call yourself a shining ceiling to heal that has to you know, bring wisdom to, to the rest of humanity. and i think that's in a part of the difficulty dived. aware, having with it with americans. do you think they are consciously putting themselves in the place of god? the one and only god that has to guide humanity? yes, i think so. united states and europe also, maybe it is also connected to colonization because during the colonization era, the blade is that all of god and that all of master, they are the master who decided everything, who knows everything and o a lid, everything in our countries. and having old with everything from us, and a think a been behalf on us of what is piston to what is good for us. and so i think it is

highly connected to that colonization way of thinking. and unfortunately, after all those here of liberation, they didn't a get the message or they still playing the same role and convince him of the same idea that the are the out, the only one who knows everything of the whole war. and they are the masters and all of us should obey what the decide i think this is very a wrong way. and actually the isolate themselves from the rest of the war. they didn't isolate a rush or any other country. the isolated themselves from that war to trend or yeoman. but trent, but hopefully a reality real are bringing some changes because a there is an american expression to eat the humble pie and hunger. and they seem that we have been discussing for all of this interior. if them, it's really strong in terms of teaching what's important and what is northern. as

you mentioned, there are many western countries who are now struggling with the challenge of fulfilling their people's basic needs. it's no longer about i, george, it's about, you know, the most accurate necessities do you think that's powerful enough to change a policies to or to, you know, sort of bring it down to the every day allergy rather than some lofty ideas. i think the already changed if you notice, for example, in italy, government to change a pretend government to change it many times in very short time. so i think it's so it would have a great impact, great and deep impacts on postal sizes and political system. the rising or far rights and in europe, i think it's a reaction to what's is going on. and they would be more and more in the future, or what we are seeing and saying, i to say it says that division between a not democrats and republicans, but a between mega if we call it like

a movement and others who are come from, maybe we can call a conservative or want to to, to be again, this mega, whatever we call it. but that mega trends that are presented by x present the trombone deb his supporters. i think he said dramatic a change in the united states. sooner or later. all those trans movements will come to something unexpected porcelain your a bunch of like a small chickens always come from to roast. i guess professor, it's been great pleasure talking to you. thank you very much for time. thank you for your thanks so much. thank you for watching hope to sara again on well, the part ah

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