i think that it is very dangerous for the whole globe. what they lightest this doing. and i think that is also a south globe, a voice supporting crusher in moving toward the multi electoral and multi polar for system because it is a norm. what answer is that, what should be done, and that is fair and a justice for all of us. i, you wrote recently that on the policies of the west, for example, western sanctions. ah, they're also hurting not only russia, but the entire world. and more specifically, even the western populations themselves. and i wonder how do you take a gee thing that saw the arrogance of, of western decision makers discounting this type of horn, not only are her to the rest of the world, but with our own population, or do you think that's deliberate? i think i. e visited russia many times by the way, from flip up to the date,

i had 4 of to 5 visits. i think her thank gods. russia has nothing. and i see that to sit. so it's ok in russia, but the rest of the whole wards of the one was suffering from the sanctions. and as you mentioned, you will be in themselves. the software for suffering from my point of view of the one was suffering more and more the european, if we wanted to say hall a lows oh suffering from that war, or what come ukraine and european then united states. i unfortunately, yes, africa and some other countries also suffering and europeans urban don't to care a lot about what is going in the whole ward and about what is going in their countries. they want only to defeat russia. those is a sanctions against russia. this is the one we're suffering is the rest of the ward and europeans. because russia is a very important tenchi for

a weight for other greens or for a garza and nobody can live without greens and gas. russia from it's aside a proposed to export seeds to export a greens, a, a just to without to. i mean, it said like come of free for other countries and are of particularly african countries. a part you will be in once again plucked that deal. this is actually a very interesting point because western powers like to portray themselves as the sort of the primary defenders of human rights and the manufacturers of humanity. but as you pointed out, there are many countries that are pretty desperate at this point of time. and then one more people are within western societies who say the same things that you're saying right now, but it doesn't seem to change western policies. how long do you think that they'll go on or what kind of resolved your thing?

it may produce within europe without a if we are talking about human rights, the right food is the basic right. how can anybody without which food doing anything he would go to elections, he would go to education, he would go to war. no. so if you will not provide towards it, all aspects of life or other human rights will not be exist. i think the situation in europe is very critical. deb daily, we have demonstrations. we have a marshes in not only in the what we called the small european countries. oh, those are suffering before. know even in france in germany, germany the, the biggest economy, european economy. now a suffering according to i, m f, and the european would lows want alien,

a point force at from old. what is going on? this is amazing. i mean, this is a great, a louis for europeans are also according to i am at fir dimensions. they're all their european countries and economists would go to a stagnation and maybe reach 0 gross. so i know why that politicians in your or a don't want to see that and to solve the problem. it is easy. it is easy to stop. the one war started actually, the war, the europeans united states is so it's easy to stop everything and little he's like right there. i mean, he, if you consider it from our strategic point of view, but if you consider it from an arrogant again to this is a point of view that is very, very difficult. now, you mentioned that poverty or lack of economic opportunities, arrogance of power, can unleash very powerful and sometimes very destructive social forces. and those

forces can throw societies back for years, maybe even decades. i think we saw some of that during the arab spring uprisings in egypt, but also in many of the neighboring countries. for example, libya, do you think something similar is possible in europe? yes, it's possible because it may be, it would be worse because people in europe are don't use the term very difficult in their lives. they are welfare states, welfare people who usually live in a very good standard of living, having everything and every time. so to make them live in lake over our or shorts of food order energy, or a bank, we are here and got a very am edge hoggard things. i mean, like of some people said that either to get food or to be for energy or what i can do with my little income. this is in europe. this is in france,

is distant in germany. can your motion as so i think that's a situation may be getting worse and worse. upcoming am on sunday or the fuel coming months of december and january, i think would be very difficult for them. you know, back in 2011, i was in libya covering the prices, and it was horrifying to see how a relatively well off country can go downhill in just a couple of months. i mean, i saw all those western supported rebels ransacking as they don't companies or even hanging policeman on, on lampposts. you know, lynching people out in the broad daylight. and i think at that time, among western reporters, there was sort of an idea that, you know, there are arrow people who do that, but the europeans, they're more individualistic, they would never do anything like this to themselves. and yet we remember old the world wars that started in europe and the, the horrifying experience that the people deep to one another. it, sir,

it's very frightening to think about something like that. but i wonder if you think that this 3rd won't work, would begin in europe again and i, i mean, we all have some respite down in our hearts. but don't you think of something like this could be so, so dangerous to oh, oh oh, lastly, a tin maybe one year or a before. when somebody talking about the 3rd world war we said what? so what does it mean? never happened, et cetera. but to actually, after all of what we seen, i think it is not impossible. who knows? because actually you, the western policies is very harmful, very destructive as you mention. and nobody you know what the order you will do is not only in europe by the way, but look to asia, for example. i recently,

the defense, the stretch american defense, this thread ship, that declared both have been to good and 27 of october. just, sir, a 3 weeks ago, i mentioned clearly that the china is the 1st the threat to the united states. and it's also focused moreland, more about alliances, military alliances in, into the pacific region. that means that the largest states, having many theaters of conflict and many a theaters of clashes, one of them in europe with russia. another one would be in an eastern asia with the china. so whoa, who knows? from what point it may start to bottom. no body now said it is impossible if may happened. unfortunately. yes, we all, i hope that it never happened. but with that's a united states to district of policy. and i think it's the

one will be responsible for it. they nighted states. you mentioned that it was her in or the, the current events were unimaginable only a decade ago. and i think it was hard to believe of and 5 years ago that the entire sectors of the global economy bid, their food san jose fertilizer sector could be deliberately compromised. for the sake of jo, politics. you know, we didn't believe that that was possible. and yet they says, the reality believe in, do you think that's a new norm? and if so, how do you think it will affect the global economy going forward? you think it will change any patterns within how are countries do business, how they protect themselves from that kind of thing? a voucher i, i think the united states and europe miscalculate is out russian a power and, and how far russia is very vital, very important for the horde war economy. and that is that they didn't take it into

account and that, that the problem that we all live in now or would be a tragedy later on. i mean, a shortage of food, shortness of energy that would affect your abuse, most dramatically. but other countries in africa and asia, even in latin america. and that's why glove house now is as having a one voice and calling for the needs of that crisis. because the crisis not only are again this to russia, but it is again, this is the horn watch. and i, i think that the will to change many things, not only about the pattern of economy or pot, i think that it would change the structure of international system itself. i think the growth 1000 now trusting russia more and more as a part, not a and as a great power responsible. now the image of the united states and europe does the

art irresponsible. a power so you, you cannot count on them and do you, you cannot trust of them to leads the whole grow. you can actually count on them and deliberately harming as the rest of the world. if bad since that interest professor, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments statement. ah ha. oh ah, with russian state little never. i've side as i

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ah welcome back to one's a foreign smith neuron. i check professor of political science of pyro university ah, professor before the break, we were discussing the current geopolitical situation. and you mentioned that the, the world is watching what's going on. and it's not necessarily taking the american of the russian side, but it's looking after its own interest and it just happens to be the,

the russian line. our hope is more in line with the interest of the rest of humanity. and i think that's an interesting point because as our rushes conscience with the west deteriorated over the last decade, russia invested a lot of diplomatic effort into building its ties with other countries. for example, with turkey, with which we had very young 10 years relationship over syria. and there were some very perilous accidents with the church shooting down the russian plane, but the russian deliberately maint heard that he wants to have those functioning ties and it wants to meet turkey halfway the same with other countries. let said the saudi arabia war. well, it just has always been our russia, so very strong partner. but in any case, there was a deliberate effort in investing into diplomacy and the new kind of diplomacy that allows countries me the child there half way. do you think it's still a possibility between, let's say russia and the west, or let's say the rest and the west? do you think some, some sort of a balanced,

mutually amicable and mutually respectful way of dealing with each other is possible at this point. i think it would politics, there is nothing impossible in politics or if that is interest so much inc. interests would push forward in the relationship. i think one day though, your opinions themselves will buck to russia because the need, the russia and because the russia is europe, by the way, your me, you know, that to russia, to present to 40 percent of european continent as so russia, in, by all the way you know what we all saw, pretty proud of her asian. oh, yes, sure. sure. i mean that you and it should realize that you cannot avoid russia. you cannot to ignore russia or escape it. russia is there like a china, like other countries like the, the globe thous as a whole, if they are in the whole ward. so i think it is sooner or later they will realize

that to but i'm, from my point of view european will not back as great powers again. well, that's actually our leading me into my next question because they are, they have been some contexts are tentative context between i like them and pollutants, and joseph biden. i confidence on the issue of strategic secure. and janet has been speculated that if those talks are substantive and out of that if they lead to official discussion that that discussion could be held north in switzerland as we are all used as in our neutral ground during the cold war. but rather in egypt, what do you may call fire? they say emergence of inch of the as, as there as a new negotiating space between the global north i. that means that the globe south is, is rising. and did that, you will be in a now, a most of they are, it could have the ability and there are, do you know, pilots?

because it before helsinki for example, was one of the mean scenes for such a dialogues. and for a meeting between russia and soviet union even before is in the united states. but now as finland lost, its parlance her and your trinity. so now we are moving to of that group 1000 whole wanted to be the main appellant. sure. in the relation between, we sent the east in general and making a stability in that war torture. and so i think that is why i think that the globe 1000 generally an egypt in particular may play a very important role in such a regard. do you think the true political neutrality of the 21st century would be in any way different from the, from what, what was perceived as neutrality in the 20th century? will it take something different?

i think because neutrality in the 20th century, are related to cold war. yes, yes. some people said cold war never came to an end and we are now in the cold, another cold war of but i think it is not a cold war. it is. and your work order to be created and we are in transition period. and this strange a transition period should have inc. some a in a stability is some are a, some ways of conflicting to a more forward to a new era, a new era. more palin sits are more fair for old. and of course, for the south, you know that some i and her plunges. how long considered egypt as a, essentially the birthplace of european and christian civilization? i'm in the midst of i cyrus clearly has sound. ah, some parallels both, both with the bible and the way with the koran,

and i thing in the world right now we have more and more. i'm sort of for a competition of narrative, what, what makes human humans? you know, what is the substance of human life? what is the purpose of politics? what is the ultimate goal of governance? i wonder if you think that the edge of chem considered it contributes something to all the world or perhaps to europe at this point of time as it did before. and i think it said egypt and all i was a globe 1000. now thinking of a human being in climate, som, it, in charm. a shave was obvious that egypt calling for peace for if you want for a more or prosperity, more equality for the whole globe, and particularly the south and within this house, africa, a commerce course. so i think the climate, som, it was giving

a very important message to old, to and conflicts among them, the conflict and in your crane to look more and more about development about the common challenges, the whole glove. now it facing critical challenges among them. a climate change of food, a crisis, as you mentioned in asia crisis, a syringe. so we are facing very critical challenges. it is lots of time to fight each other or trying to churn nick a giant. it is not that we should think of the globe not to think in our video, a tiny interests of one country or one government, or even one president. it is the time to think about the whole globe saw you hope that the message sent by climate change summit and and char machine would be listened by a washington by european countries. well,

although the art pretend that they are doing hard and bad, but i see little effort to talk. com or our war is and challenges. you know, speaking this her sense of shared humanity lost here. i made a little pilgrimage around it shift to visit old coptic monasteries, and i, what i found there is a very am vibrant allies, faith, when you can sit with people are from all walks of life from all different religions. and they don't care in a what kind of persuasion you have, whether you are in our christian, an atheist, whether you are russian or american, whether you are in the truck addict or, you know, a business man. you can connect on the human lab and i rarely have that experience with the so called progressive because when you enter western, you know, groups, they usually 1st establish who you are, what you think. and then they decide whether or not to connect with you as a, as a human being. and i want to ask you,

why do you think this new school of thought this new had you all would use a soul? i so dogmatic in his sands while these ancient and i would say primitive religions seemed to be still very encompassing of you know, of all sorts of human experiences. this as you, you mentioned that is human. so because it was human, so it was easy to connect it to all the humans. but said that sir, dogma or julia, it connected more to interest to interest of elite or 2 interests of persons. so whenever you connect to anything and make it personal, and so coming close. but whenever you feel a connecting to a whole society to with that human being and gender, you would be more often. and in egypt, actually it's is a very good example for that. we are in egypt,

never ask about tradition of we know each other for longer time and never ask about sir irrigation, or if you pray or not, of your fossil not no. and that is that very also a nice being that we all have the same or closed tradition in face or door review. this is law me, christine's. it doesn't matter but the same what we are doing and our faces in our celebrations, nearly the same are also all differences in the revision. so it's very nice. i mean, this is a good example in dosher also. i notice that this kind of a humanity in general or revisions or live together and today in the conference it was very great to have christians, muslims, a buddhist, and all of them together. this is very great. it is great, but it also requires, i think, m morland's sort of ethical discipline to put yourself on the same level as other people, rather than call yourself a shining, sealed, that has to, you know,

bring wisdom to, to the rest of humanity. and i think that's, you know, part of the difficulty dived aware, having with it with the americans. do you think they are consciously putting themselves in the place of god, the one and only god that has to guide humanity? yes, i think so. united states and europe also, maybe it is also connected to colonization because it, during the colonization era, the blade or all of god and that all of master the, or the master who decided everything, who knows everything and o a lid, everything in, in our countries. and having old with everything from us and a think a been behalf on us of what is pissed and what is good for us. and so i think it's is highly connected to that colonization way of thinking. and unfortunately, after all of those here of liberation, they didn't

a get the message or they still playing the same role and convince it of the same idea that they are the, are the only one who knows everything of the whole war. and they are the musters, and all of us should obey what they decide. i think this is very wrong way. and actually the isolated themselves from the rest of the water. they didn't isolate a rush or any other country. the isolated themselves from that war to trend or yeoman. a trend with hopefully a reality real are bringing some changes because they, there isn't an american expression to eat, the humble pie and hunger. they seem that you have been discussing for all of this or interior. it them to really strong in terms of teaching, what's important and what is now then as you mentioned, there are many western countries who are now struggling with the challenge of fulfilling their people's basic needs. it's no longer about i, george, it's about,

you know, the most accurate necessities do you think that's powerful enough to change a policies to or to, you know, sort of bring it down to the every day allergy rather than some lofty ideas. i think the already changed if you notice, for example, in italy, government changes a, pretend a government change at many times in very short time. so i think it's so it would have a great impact, great and deep impacts on both societies and political system. the rising or far rights and in europe, i think it's a reaction to what is going on and they would be more and more in the future or what we are seeing and saying, i to say it said that division between a not democrats and the republicans but a between mega if we call that like a movement and others who are come from, maybe we can call a conservative or want to to, to beam again, this mega, whatever we call it,

bugs that mega trend represented by a x present. the trombone deb his supporters, i think it said dramatic changes. i noticed this sooner or later. all those trans movements will come to something on expected porcelain european united small chickens always come from tourist i, i guess professor it's been great pleasure talking to thank you very much for time . thank you for your thanks so much. thank you for watching hope to syria again on well, the part ah with mm

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