good, and must a pool or system it is normal, it is the norm of the, the globe is to have different powers, different culture difference, civilizations of. so i think what is united states doing is it is this than the norm of the horn globe. and so it is not to, i think that it is very interesting for the whole globe. what the united states doing. and i think that is also a south globe, a voice, a supporting crusher in moving toward the multi electoral and multi polar for system. because it is, sir, norm won't answer to that. what should be done, and that is fair and justice for all of us. i, you wrote recently that on the policies of the west, for example, western sanctions. ah, they're also hurting not only russia, but the entire world, and more specifically,

even the western populations themselves. and i wonder how do you take a, do you think that saw the arrogance of western decision makers discounting this type of hiring, not only or her to the restroom to well, but to their own populations? or do you think that's deliberate? i think i, you visited russia many times by the way, from fed up to the date i had 4 of to 5 visits. i think her, thank god, russia has nothing. and i see that this said, so it's okay in the russia. but her, the rest of the whole wards of the one was suffering from the sanctions. and as you mentioned, european themselves, software 1st suffering from my point of view with the one who was suffering more and more they european, if we wanted to say all lows oh, suffering from that war or what come ukraine and european then united states. i unfortunately, yes, africa and some other countries also offering and you'll be in urban don't to care

a lot about what is going in the whole ward and about what is going in their countries. they want to only to defeat russia. those is a sanctions against russia. thus the one was suffering the rest of the war underpins because russia is a very important country for a wait for other greens or for a gosh. and nobody can live without greens and gas. russia from it's aside, a proposed to export seeds, it to export a greens a, a just to without it. i mean, it said like of free for other countries and are of particularly african countries a part you to be. and once again plucked that to do this is actually a very interesting point because western powers like to portray themselves as the sort of the primary defenders of human rights and the benefactors of humanity. but

as you pointed out, there are many countries that are pretty desperate at this point of time. and then one more people are within western societies who say the same things that you're saying right now, but it doesn't seem to change western policies. how long do you think that will go on or what kind of resolved your thing may produce within europe itself? or if we are talking about human rights, the right of food is the basic right. how can anybody without food doing anything? he would go to elections, we would go to education, he would go to war. no. so if you will not provide towards it, all aspects of life or other human rights will not be exist. i think the situation in europe is very critical. ab daily, we have demonstrations. we have a marcia's in,

not only in what we call the small european countries. oh, those are suffering before. know even in france and germany, germany, the, the biggest economy, european economy, now a suffering according to our u. m. f. and the european would lows one trillion a point for a from old. what is going on? this is amazing. i mean, this is a great, a louis for europeans are also according to i am a fir dimensions. they're all their european countries and economists would go to our stagnation and maybe reach 0 gross. so i know why the politicians in your old a don't want to see that and to solve the problem. it is easy. it is easy to stop. the one war started actually, the war, the europeans, i night to states a. so it's easy to stop everything. i mean, he,

if you consider it from our strategic point of view, but if you consider it from an arrogant against, this is the point of view that is very, very difficult. now you mentioned that poverty, lack of economic opportunities, arrogance of power, can unleash very powerful and sometimes very destructive social forces. and those forces can throw societies back for years. maybe even dakin. i think we saw some of that during the arab spring uprisings in egypt, but also in many of the neighboring countries. for example, libya. do you think something similar is possible in europe? yes, it's possible because it may be, it would be worse because people in europe are don't use the term very difficult since they are live. they are welfare estates, welfare people who usually live in a very good to standard of living, having every thing and every time. no to make them live in lake of

o shorts afford order. energy aura, being we are here and got a video search hoggard things. i mean like of some people said that either to get food or to be for any of your what i can do with my little income. this is in your of this isn't francis in germany. can you imagine as so i think that situation may be getting worse and worse, upcoming amman, son or the fuel coming months of december and january, i think would be very difficult for them. you know, back in 2011, i was in libya covering their presence and it was horrifying to see how a relatively well off country can go downhill in just a couple of months. i mean, i saw all those western supported rebels ransacking as they don't companies or even hanging policeman on, on land posts, you know, lynching people out in the broad daylight. and i think at that time, among western reporters, there was sort of an idea that you know, it's,

there are arrow people who do that. but the europeans, they're more individualistic, they would never do anything like this to themselves. and yet we remember all the world wars that started in europe and the, the horrifying experience that people deal to one another. it, sir, sir, frightening to think about something like that. but i wonder if you think that this 3rd won't work, would begin in europe again. and i mean, we all have some respite down in our hearts. but don't you think of something like this would be so, so dangerous to oh, oh oh, lastly, a tin maybe one year or a before. when somebody talking about the 3rd world war we said what? so what does it mean? never happened to cetera. but to actually, after all of what we seen,

i think it is not impossible. who knows? because actually you, the western policies is very harmful, very destructive, as you mentioned. and nobody you know what the order you will do and not on the in your, by the way, but look to asia. for example. i recently did a defense, a search american defense, this thread sheet that declared by the pentagon and 27th of october. just, sir, a 3 weeks ago, i mentioned clearly that the china is that 1st the threat to, with a night states. and it also focus more and more about alliances, military alliances in, into the pacific region. that means that the largest states are having many theaters of conflict and many a theatres of clashes, one of them in europe with russia. another one would be in an eastern asia with the

china. so whoa, who knows? from what point it may start to, but term no body now said it is impossible. it may happened. unfortunately. yes, we all are hope that it never happened. but with that, are you like to stay, sir? district of policy. and i think it's the one will be responsible for it. they nighty states, you mentioned that it was, or in, or the, the current events were unimaginable only had taken a go. and i think it was hard to believe in 5 years ago that the entire sectors of the global economy being their food senior, jose fertilizer sector, could be deliberately compromised. for the sake of geopolitics. you know, we didn't believe that that was possible. and yet, this is the reality believe in. do you think that's a new norm? and if so, how do you think it will? and i fact the global economy going forward,

do you think it will change any patterns within how our countries do business, how they protect themselves from that kind of a batch? i, i think the united states and europe miscalculate is our russian a power. and how far russia is very vital, very important for the horde war economy. and that's is that they didn't take it into account and that, that the problem that we all live in now or would be a tragedy later on. i mean, shortage of food, shortness of energy that would affect your abuse, most dramatically. but other countries in africa and asia, even in latin america. and that's why glove house now is, is having a one voice and calling for these that crisis because the crisis not only again is to russia, but it is again, this is the horn ward. and i think that the will to change many things. not only

about the pattern of economy or pot, i think that it would change of the structure of international system itself. i think of the growth house now trusting russia more and more as a part, not a and as a great power responsible. now the image of the united states and europe does the art responsible, a power so you, you cannot count on them and do you, you cannot trust of them to leads the whole grow. you can actually count on them and deliberately harming as the rest of the world. if bad since that interest professor, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments statement. ah ha.

what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on, often very dramatic development, only personally and getting to disease. i don't see how that strategy will be successfully, very difficult. i'm time to sit down and talk ah

ah won't come back to ones of foreign smith, murano check, professor of political science at pyre university. professor before the break, we were discussing the current geopolitical station and you mentioned that the, the world is watching what's going on. and it's not necessarily taking the american, the russian side, but it's looking after its own interest. and it just happens to be that the, the russian line, our hope is more in line with the interest of the rest of humanity. and i think that's an interesting point because as russia's conscience with the west deteriorated over the last decade, russia invested a lot of diplomatic effort into building its ties with other countries. for example, with turkey with which we had very tenuous relationship over syria. and there were

some very perilous accidents with the church shooting down the russian playing the russian deliberately made sure that if once you have those functioning ties and it wants to meet turkey halfway the same without a country, let's say the saudi arabia war. well, each of has always been our russia, so very strong partner. but in any case, there was a deliberate effort in investing into diplomacy and the new kind of diplomacy that allows countries me, the child, their half weight g thing is still a possibility between let's say russia and the west, or let's say the rest and the west. do you think some, some sort of a balanced, mutually amicable and mutually respectful way of dealing with each other's possible . at this point? i think it would it politics that is nothing impossible in politics or if that is interest so much inc. interests would push forwards in your relationship. i think one day though europe pianist themselves will back to russia because the near

to russia and because the russia is europe, by the way, you may know that to russia, to present to 40 percent of european continent as so russia, in, by all the way you know, with real sorry, pretty proud of her a asian. oh yes, sure, sure. her, that i, i mean that you will be an, it should realize that you cannot avoid russia. you cannot to ignore russia or escape it. russia, they're light, china like other countries like the globe thous as a whole, if they are in the whole ward. so i think it is sooner and later they will realize that, but i'm from my point of view you'll be in will not back as grade powers again. well that's actually are leading me into my next question because they are they, they have been some context ah, tentative context between a lighting and put ins and joseph biden. i confidence on the issue of strategic security on it's been speculated that if those talks are substantive enough that if

they lead to or mitchell discussion that that discussion can be held north in switzerland as we are all used as in our neutral ground during the cold war, but rather in egypt, what do you may call fire? they say emergence of ancient as, as, as a new negotiating space between the global north i. that means that the globe south is, is rising. and did that, you will be in a now a last they are it, could it ability and there are, do you know parlance because it before. hello. thank you. for example, was one of the mean scenes for such a dia, looks at a meeting between russia and soviet union even before is in the united states. but now as finland lost its cent palance or,

and you trinity, so now we are moving to that globe 1000 whole wanted to be the main appellant. sure. in the relation between, we sent the east in general and making a stability in that war to order. and so i think that's why i think that the globe 1000 generally and egypt in particular made play a very important role in such a regard. do you think the, your political neutrality of the 21st century would be in any way different from the, from what, what was perceived as neutrality in the 20th century? will i take something different? i think because in charlotte, in the 20th century, are related to cold war. yes. yes. some people said cold war never came to an end. and are we are now in the cold, another cold war of but i think it is not a cold war. it is and your work order be created and we are in transition period.

and this thunder transition period should have inc. some in this the village t sama, a some ways of conflicting to a more forward to a new era. a new era more palin sits, are more fair for old. and of course, for the south, you know that some i and tripling just how long considered egypt as an essentially the birthplace of european and christian civilization. i'm in the midst of i cyrus clearly has sound and some parallels both, both with the bible and the way with the koran. and i think in the world right now we have more and more. i'm sort of for a competition of narrative, what, what makes humans humans are, you know, what is the substance of human life? what is the purpose of politics? what is the ultimate goal of governance? i wonder if you think that the egypt can consider it contributes something i to,

or the world or perhaps to europe at this point of time as it did before. and i think it's egypt and all i was a globe 1000. now thinking of a human being in climate summit and charter machines, it was obvious that egypt calling for peace for if you want for more or prosperity more equality for the whole globe and particularly the south and within this house, africa, a commerce course. so i think the climate psalmist was giving a very important message to old to and conflicts among them. the conflict in ukraine to look more and more about development about the common challenges, the home glove. now a facing critical challenges among them. a climate change, a food, a crisis, as you mentioned in there's a crisis,

a syringe are so we are facing vertically. challenge is it is lots of time to fight each other or trying to a church, nick, a giant. it is not that we should think of the globe, not it think in our video, a tiny interests of one country or one government or even one president. it is the time to think about the whole globe saw you home the the message then by climate change summit and, and charm was she would be listen, bobby washington by european countries will. although the art pretend that they are doing hard and that, but i see little effort to, to calm or our war is and challenges, you know, speaking by this, her sense of shared humanity last here, i made a little pilgrimage around it just to visit old coptic monasteries and i, what i found there is a very vibrant allies,

faith when you can sit with people from all walks of live, from old, different religions. and they don't care in a what kind of persuasion you have. whether you are, you know, or christian, an atheist, whether you're russian or american, whether you are in the truck addict or, you know, a business man, you can connect on the human level. and i rarely have that experience with the so called progressive speaker. so when you and her western i'm, you know, groups, they usually 1st establish who you are, what you think, and then they decide whether or not to connect with you as, as language being. and i want to ask you, why do you see this new school of thought this new and you all would use a soul on so dogmatic, in a sense, wild these ancient and i would say primitive religions seem to be still very encompassing of you know, of all sorts of human experiences. this as you, you mentioned that is human. so because it was human, so it was easy to connect to,

to all the humans. but so that's her dogma. ideology. it connected more to interest to interests of elite or to interests of persons. so whenever you connect to anything and make it personal as so it coming close. but whenever you are, feel a connecting to a whole society to with that, that human being and gender, you would be more often. and in egypt to actually it's, it's a very good example for that. we are in egypt. never ask about tradition. or we know each other for long time and never ask about the erasure if you pray or not, if you're fossil not no. and that is that very also a nice being of that. we all have the same old clothes tradition in face or door or door. this is la me, christina. it doesn't matter but the same what we are doing and our faces in our

celebrations nearly the same, are also all differences in the division. so it's very nice, i mean this is a good example industrial also. i notice that this kind of a humanity in general or revisions or live together. and today in the conference it was very great to have christians, muslims, a buddhist, and all of them together. this is very great, it is great, but it also requires, i think, m moral ends sort of ethical discipline to put yourself on the same level as other people rather than call yourself a shining c. lucille that has to, you know, bring wisdom to, to the rest of humanity. and i think that's in a part of the difficulty dived. aware, having with it with americans. do you think they are consciously putting themselves in the place of god, the one and only god that has to guide humanity? yes, i think so. united states and europe also,

maybe it is also connected to colonization because during the colonization era, they blade that all of god and that all of master, they are the master. who would you say that everything who knows everything and all a lid, everything in, in our countries, and having old with everything from us and a think a been behalf on us of what is pissed and what is good for us. and so i think this is highly connected to that colonization way of thinking. and unfortunately, after all those here of liberation, they didn't a get the message or they still playing the same role and convince him of the same idea that they are the out. the only one who knows everything of the whole war and they are the masters and all of us should obey what the decide. i think this is very a wrong way. and actually the isolate themselves from the rest of the water. they

didn't to isolate a rush or any other country. the isolated themselves from that it was the trend or yeoman, the trend, but hopefully a reality real are bringing some changes because a, there is an american expression to eat, the humble pie and hunger. and they seem that you have been discussing for all of this interior. if them it's really strong in terms of teaching what's important and what is not on. as you mentioned, there are many air western countries who are now struggling with the challenge of fulfilling the people's basic needs. it's no longer about ideology, it's about, you know, the most accurate necessities do you think that's powerful enough to change a policies to or to, you know, sort of bring it down to the every day allergy rather than some lofty ideas. i think the already changed. if you notice, for example, in italy, government to change a pretend government to change it many times in very short time. so i think it's so

it would have a great impact. great and deep impacts on both sides is and political system, the rising or far rights and in europe, i think it's a reaction to what's is going on. and there would be more and more in the future or what we are seeing. and then i to say it's the division between a, not democrats and republicans, but a between mega if we call it like a movement and others who are come from, maybe we can call a conservative or want to, to, to be again, this mega, whatever we call it bugs that mega trends that are presented by x present the trombone deb his supporters. i think it said dramatic changes. i noticed this sooner or later. all those trans movements will come to something unexpected porcelain europe and you might have thought chickens always come from to

roast. i guess professor, it's been great pleasure talking to thank you very much for time. thank you for your thanks so much. thank you for watching hope to see you again on well, the part ah mm hm. mm mm. for ah, the 1st time in history, an entire country's culture has been cancelled. the very modern weapon cancel culture. daily data will sheffield my love. so we're just

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