most electra and must a polar system. it is normal, it is the norm of the, the globe is to have different powers, different culture difference, civilizations of. so i, i think what is united states doing is that is this than the norm of the horn global. so it is unlocked, and i think that it is very interesting for the whole globe. what the united states doing. and i think that is also a south globe, a voice, a supporting crusher in moving toward the multi electoral and multi pooler for system. because it is, sir, norm won't answer to that. what should be done, and that is fair and a justice for all of us. i, you wrote recently that on the policies of the west, for example, western sanctions. ah, they are also hurting not only russia, but the entire world. and more specifically,

even the western populations themselves. and i wonder how do you take a, do you think that saw the arrogance off of western decision makers? discounting this type of hiring, not only are her to the rest of the world, but to their own population. to or do you think that's deliberate? i think i, you visited to russia many times by the way, from fed up to the date. i had 4 of to 5 visits. i think her thank god, russia has nothing and i see that to sit so it's ok in russia, but her, the rest of the whole wards of the one was suffering from the sanctions. and as you mentioned, european themselves, a software for suffering from my point of view of the one who was suffering more and more the european, if we wanted to say, or a lowe's or oh, suffering from that war, or what come ukraine and european then united states and unfortunately, yes, africa and some other inches, also suffering, and the europeans and don't care

a lot about what is going in the hold wart and about what is going in their countries. they want to only to defeat russia. those is a sanctions against russia. thus the one was suffering is the rest of the war underpins because russia is a very important country for, for a wait for other greens for road. gosh. and nobody can live without greens and gas. russia from it's the side, a proposed to export seeds, it to export a greens a, a just to without a mean it said like of free for other countries and are of particularly african countries a part you to be. and once again plucked that to do this is actually a very interesting point because western powers like to portray themselves as the

sort of the primary defenders of human rights and the manufacturers of humanity. but as you pointed out, there are many countries that are pretty desperate at this point of time. and then one more people are within western societies who say the same things that you're saying right now, but it doesn't seem to change western policies. how long do you think that will gone or what kind of resolved your thing if may produce within europe at south? or if we are talking about human rights, the right of food is the basic right. how can anybody without food doing anything? he would go to elections, we would go to education, he would go to war. no. so if you will not provide towards it, all aspects of life or other human rights will not be exist. i think the situation in europe is very critical. ab daily, we have demonstrations. we have a marshes in not only in what we call the small european

countries. oh, those are suffering before. know even in france and germany, germany, the, the biggest economy, european economy, now a suffering according to our u. m. f. and the european would lows one trillion a point for a from old. what is going on? this is amazing. i mean, this is a great, a louis for europeans are also according to i, m f as dimensions. they're all their european countries and economists would go to our stagnation and maybe reach 0 gross. so i know why the politicians in europe a don't want to see that and to solve the problem. it is easy. it is easy to stop. the one war started actually, the war, the europeans united states to so it's easy to stop everything, cameras,

and he's like right there. i mean, he, if you consider it from our strategic point of view, but if you consider it from an arrogant again to this is the point of view that is very, very difficult. now you mentioned that poverty, lack of economic opportunities, arrogance of power, can unleash very powerful and sometimes very destructive social forces. and those forces can throw societies back for years. maybe even dakin. i think we saw some of that during the arab spring uprisings in egypt, but also in many of the neighboring countries. for example, libya. do you think something similar is possible in europe? yes, it's possible because it may be, it would be worse because people in europe are don't use the term very difficult since they are live. they are welfare states, welfare people who usually live in a very good to standard of living, having everything and time. so to make them live in lake of

o shorts afford order energy, aura, being we are here and got a very am urge hoggard things. i mean like of some people said that either to get food or to be for energy. what i can do with my little income, this is in your of this isn't francis in germany, can you imagine as so i think that situation may be getting worse and worse, upcoming them on sunday or the fuel coming months of december and january, i think would be very difficult for them. you know, back in 2011, i was in libya covering their presence and it was horrifying to see how a relatively well off country can go downhill in just a couple of months. i mean, i, i saw all those western supported rebels ransacking as they don't companies or even hanging policeman on, on land posts, you know, lynching people out in the broad daylight. and i think at that time,

among western reporters, there was sort of an idea that you know, it's, there are arrow people who do that. but the europeans, they're more individualistic, they would never do anything like this to themselves. and yet we remember all the world wars that started in europe and the, the horrifying experience that the people deep to one another. it sir, serves riding to think about something like that. but i wonder if you think that this thirds won't work, will begin in europe. again and i, i mean, we all have some respite turn in our cars, but don't you think of something like this could be so, so dangerous to oh, oh oh lastly, a tin maybe one year or a before. when somebody talking about the 3rd world war, we said what? so what does it mean? never happened to cetera. but to actually, after all of what we seen,

i think it is not impossible. who knows? because actually you, the western policies is very harmful, very destructive, as you mentioned. and nobody you know what the order he will do and not only in europe by the way, but look to asia, for example. i recently got a defensive search, american defense, as friendship that declared by the pentagon and 27th of october. i just, sir, a 3 weeks ago. mentioned clearly that the china is that 1st the threat to the united states. and it also focus more and more about alliances, military alliances in, into the pacific region. that means that the largest states are having many theaters of conflict and many theaters of clashes, one of them in europe with russia. another one would be in an eastern asia with the

china, so whole whole knows from what point it may start to, but term no body now said it is impossible if may happened. unfortunately, yes, we all are hope that it never happened. but with that, are you like to stay, sir? district of policy? and i think it's the one will be responsible for it. they nighty states, you mentioned that it was her in or the, the current events were unimaginable only a decade ago. and i think it was hard to believe in 5 years ago that the entire sectors of the global economy bid their food sent josie. fertilizer sector could be deliberately compromised. for the sake of geopolitics in a, we didn't believe that that was possible. and yet, this is the reality believe in. do you think that's a new norm? and if so, how do you think it will for a fact the global economy going forward?

do you think it will change any patterns within how our countries do business, how they protect themselves from that kind of a batch? i, i think of the united states and europe miscalculate as though russian a power and how far russia is very vital, very important for the horde war economy. and that's it, that they didn't take into account and that, that the problem that we all live in now or would be a tragedy later on. i mean, a shortage of food, shortness of energy that would affect your bias most dramatically. but other countries in africa and asia, even in latin america. and that's why glove house now is, is having a one voice and calling for these that crisis. because the crisis not only are again this to russia, but it is again this of the whole ward. and i think that would change many things.

not only that, the pattern of economy or pot, i think that it would change the structure of international system itself. i think of the growth house now trusting russia more and more as a part, not a and as a great power responsible. now the image of the united states and europe does the art irresponsible, a power so you, you cannot count of them and do you, you cannot trust of them to leads the whole grow. you can actually count on them and deliberately harming as the rest of the world. if bad since that interest professor, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments statement. ah ha.

what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms. race is often very dramatic, development only personally and getting to disease. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult. i'm time to sit down and talk ah

ah welcome back to one's a foreign smith, nor on those check professor of political science at pyre university. professor before the break, we were discussing recurring geopolitical station and you mentioned that the, the world is watching what's going on. and it's not necessarily taking the american of the russian side, but it's looking after its own interest. and it just happens to be that the, the russian line, our hope is more in line with the interest of the rest of humanity. and i think that's an interesting point because as russia's conscience with the west deteriorated over the last decade, russia invested a lot of diplomatic effort into building its ties with other countries. for example, with turkey with which we had very tenuous relationship over syria. and there were

some very perilous accidents with the church shooting down the russian playing. the rushing deliberately made sure that if once you have those functioning ties and it wants to meet turkey halfway the same with other countries, let's say the saudi arabia war. well, each of has always been our russia, so very strong partner. but in any case, there was a deliberate effort in investing into diplomacy and the new kind of diplomacy that allows countries meet each other half way. do you think it's still a possibility between, let's say russia and the west, or let's say the rest and the west. do you think some, some sort of a balanced, mutually amicable and mutually respectful way of dealing with each other's possible . at this point, i think it would it politics that is nothing impossible in politics or if that is interest, so a matching interests would push forwards in your relationship. i think one day though, you look pianist themselves will back to russia because the need to russia and

because the russia is europe. by the way, you may know that to russia, to present a 40 percent of european continent as so russia, in, by all the way that we all saw, pretty proud of her asian. oh, yes, sure, sure. her let i, i mean that you will be in, it should realize that you cannot avoid russia. you cannot to ignore russia or escape it. russia is there like a china, like other countries like the, the globe thous as a whole, is there in the whole ward. so i think it is sooner and later they will realize that, but a, from my point of view you'll be in will not back as great powers again. well, that's actually are leading me to my next question because they are, they, they have been some contexts are tentative context between i let him put ins and joseph biden sar confidence on the issue of strategic securing town. it's been

speculated that if those talks are substantive enough that if they lead to a initial discussion, that that discussion can be held north in switzerland as we are all used as in our neutral ground during the cold war. but rather in egypt, what do you may call 5? they say emergence of interest as, as, as a new negotiating space between the global north i. that means that the globe south is, is rising. and did that, you will be in a now a most of their credit ability and there are, do you know parlance because it before. hello. thank you. for example, was one of the mean scenes for such as dialogues and have a meeting between russia and soviet union even before is in the united states. but now as finland lost its cent palance or,

and your trinity. so now we are moving to that globe 1000 whole wanted to be the main appellant. sure. in the relation between we send the east in general and making is to pity in that war to order. and so i think that's why i think that the globe 1000 generally and egypt in particular, me play a very important role in such a regard. do you think the geopolitical and neutrality of the 21st century would be in any way different from the, from what, what was perceived as neutrality in the 20th century? really take something different. i think because in charlotte, in the 20th century, are related to cold war a l. yes. some people said cold war never came to an end and dub. we are now in the cold, another cold war of but i think it is not a cold war. it is and your work order be created and we are in transition period.

and this thunder transition. furniture having some in this the village t sama, a, some ways of conflicting to a more forward to a new era. a new era, more palance. it's a more fair for old. and of course, for the south. you know that some i and tripler just how long considered egypt as a, essentially the birthplace of european and christian civilization. i'm in the midst of i cyrus clearly has sound. ah, some parallels both, both with the bible and the way with the koran, and i think in the world right now we have more and more. i'm sort of for a competition of narrative, what, what makes humans humans are, you know, what is the substance of human life? what is the purpose of politics? what is the ultimate goal of governance? i wonder if you think that the egypt can consider it could contribute something i

to or the world or perhaps to europe at this point of time as it did before. and i think it said egypt and all i was a globe 1000. now thinking of a human being in climate sandwich and charter machines, it was obvious that egypt calling for peace for if you want for more or prosperity more equality for the whole globe and particularly the south and within this house, africa a come of course. so i think the climate summit was giving a very important message to old to and conflicts among them. the conflict in ukraine to look more and more about development about the common challenges, the home glove. now a facing critical challenges among them. a climate change, a food, a crisis, as you mentioned in asia crisis,

a syringe. so we are facing vertically. challenge is, is lots of time to fight each other or trying to a church, nick, a giant. it is not that we should think of the globe not to think in our video. a tie, neat interests of one country or one government or even one presidents. it is the time to think about the whole globe saw you home. that's a message then by climate change summit and, and char michelle would be listen body washington by european countries will, although the art pretend that they are doing hard and that, but i see little effort to, to call or our war is and challenges. you know, speaking about this, her sense of shared humanity last here, i made a little pilgrimage around it just to visit old coptic monasteries. and i what i found there is a very am vibrant allies,

faith. when you can sit with people from all walks a fly from all different religions and they don't care in a what kind of persuasion you have. whether you are, you know, a christian, an atheist, whether you are russian or american, whether you are in the truck addict or, you know, a business man, you can connect on the human level. and i rarely have that experience with the so called progressive speaker. so when you and her western, i'm, you know, groups, they usually 1st establish who you are, what you think, and then they decide whether or not to connect with you as a, as in being. and i want to ask you, why do you see this new school of thought this new and you all would use a soul on so dogmatic in the sands while these ancient and i would say primitive religions are seem to be still very encompassing of you know, of all sorts of human experiences is as you,

you mentioned that is human. so because it was human, so it was easy to connect to, to all the humans. but so that's the dogma. i geology at connected more to interest to interests of elite or 2 interests of persons. so whenever you connect to anything and, and make it personal. and so coming close. but whenever you feel a connecting to a whole society to with that, that human being and gender, you would be more often. and it's easier to actually, it's is very good example for that. we are in egypt, never ask about tradition or we know each other for long time and never ask about the erasure. if you pray or not, if you're foster or not, no. and that is that very also a nice thing that we all have the same or close tradition in face or door or door. this is lannie chris,

tense. it doesn't matter but the same what we are doing in our faces and our celebrations nearly the same, are also all differences in the division. and so it's very nice. i mean, this is a good example industrial also. i notice that this kind of humanity in general, or revisions or live together of to day the conference. it was very great to have christians, muslims, a buddhist and all of them together. this is very great. it is great. but it also requires, i think, m moral ends sort of ethical discipline to put yourself on the same level as other people, rather than call yourself a shining ceiling shield that has to, you know, bring wisdom to, to the rest of humanity. and i think that's in a part of the difficulty dived. aware, having with it with the americans. do you think they are consciously putting themselves in the place of god? the one and only god that has to guide humanity? yes, i think so. united states and europe also,

maybe it is also connected to colonization because it, during the colonization era, the blade is that all of god and that all of master, they are the master who decided everything and who knows everything and all a lid, everything in, in our countries and having old with everything from us and a think of been behalf on us of what is piston to what is good for us. and so i think this is highly connected to that colonization way of thinking. and unfortunately, after all of those here of liberation, they didn't a get the message or they still playing the same role and convince it of the same idea that the are the only one who knows everything of the whole war. and they are the masters and all of us should obey what did decide i think this is very a wrong way. and actually the isolated themselves from the rest of the water. they

didn't isolate a rush or any other country. the isolated themselves from that it was the trend or yeoman a trent, but hopefully a reality real are bringing some changes because a there is an american expression to eat, the humble pie and hunger. they seem that you have been discussing for all this interior. if them to really strong in terms of teaching, what's important and what is now, then as you mentioned, there are many air western countries who are now struggling with the challenge of fulfilling their people's basic needs. it's no longer about i, george, it's about, you know, the most accurate necessities do you think that's powerful enough to change our policies to or to, you know, sort of bring it down to the every day allergy rather than some lofty ideas. i think the already changed if you notice, for example, in italy, government changes approaching a government, a change at many times in very short time. so i think it's so it would

have a great impact, great and deep impacts on both sides as an political system. the rising or far rights and in europe, i think it's a reaction to what's is going on. and they would be more and more in the future or what we are seeing. and, and i to say it's that division between a, not democrats and the republicans, but a between mega if we call it like a movement and others who are come from, maybe we can call a conservative or want to, to, to beam again, this mega, whatever we call it, but that mega trends that are presented by x present the trombone deb his supporters. i think said dramatic changes. i notice this sooner or later. all those trans movements will come to something unexpected. porcelain europe and united

small chickens always come on to roast. i guess professor, it's been great pleasure talking to thank you very much for time. thank you for your thank you so much. thank you for watching hope to see you again on world the part. ah mm mm mm for ah, the 1st time in history and entire countries culture has been canceled to the very modern weapon council culture. really desperate. wonderful. i wish i feel my love

so well. yeah. it just me sitting there with the phrase now, particularly for us to counseling russian culture. yet them know what equally up a few orders go. because if you're, when you're my foot, sure, which will be your there is cha, whatsoever. that go with them. we what rushes created over the past 1500 years. there's no question actually condemned, reviled and rejected to sort of like a bill of bill. there's a lot closer. i want to hold all the time. i guess it'll show the list. joining total condemnation, gross daily, and now includes, does de escalate to cascade shostakovich. i need to you a quick tour left, but yes, that would that time will you do?

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