confiscated by say, so representative journalist a sally isn't katara, can tell us more or been saying go through this wall cup it. i wouldn't say the foot will being overshadowed by issues off the field, but certainly them taking a more prominent role not by accident, perhaps with the western media seeking to use this wild carpet bullhorn for promoting their own causes. and in the latest episode of controversies you see in this issue from the spain game where a group of fans wave the as of battalions flag. of course, a neo nazi group. hugely controversial group play, whose existence in the ukrainian military forces has been a source of real concern to those in moscow and policymakers there. now you think that everybody would be united in supporting the security at the stadium who removed that flag, who instructed those people not to carry that flag,

but not everyone sees it the same way and roman xhylia and he's a former ukranian national team football us and who actually spent time playing football in spain. and he was one of those who took the facebook in a post that he has since deleted. praising at the us or battalion fee for are the victims of russian propaganda. i hope that the ukraine and football association and the ministry of youth and sports will also respond to such shameful behavior of the fee for representatives. and for those single celled organisms that prohibit our flag been raced in the stance, i hope they will apologize. and finally study the real history of the issue and not according to the kremlin back media. now those claims might ring hollow and one looks at the history of this particular football player. romans, those earlier is taking the social media before to praise the as of battalion. he's posted pigs with an image of stephen ben dera, who is of course, one of the big neo nazi collaborators who the groups like out of italian look to

go with great respect and also a post. he posted himself a photo opposing with the numbers 1488 of course more symbolism that by a, with regards to nazi type of sympathies that sir, unfortunately many in those ukrainian armed forces seem to have when he was playing in spain. as i mentioned before, he was playing for a club called at c, f through who and the broader. and while he was at the club and he was kicked out for holding extreme political views. and in fact, in one game that he played in the spanish league, the game had to be called off because, or some of the fans of the opposing team bring him so much because of those that far right, beliefs that he holds on to. now, of course, at this time fif, i've managed to stop the waving of that near nazi flag in coordination with the

custody organizes and the security at the stadium. they to been kept busy by other issues. for example, iranian riots as a supporters of the riots is in iran, also trying to wave slogans and banners. and increasingly, we're seeing the security at teams here at the stadiums cracking down on that. it's not an overstatement to say the world right now is undergoing considerable transformations on the emergence of new points of tension to get a grasp on all that, i'm delighted to say the deputy foreign minister of the russian federation survey. re up coff joined us not talk about the current global picture deputy foreign minister. you're most welcome to the program. can we begin with the stalls negotiations on reducing nuclear weapons? do you agree? the new star treaty could be a significant step, not only towards reviving broader arms control talks between russia and the u. s,

but perhaps also towards enhanced overall communication with washington at this 10th time. why were they postpone? number one to this on our or it, we have never stopped any of the talks. aw, ah, any forms of dialogue, otherwise be on the cocks white country, we underscore, and on the line, ah, all the time our retina is to continue from the point where this u. s. administration, the biden administration decided to halt these dialogue. it happens ah, after our special military operation, a started without any explanation whatsoever, unilaterally, ah, and this is it, ah, the,

you start country to this. a continues to be implemented. this is an important tool that ensure predictability and sustainability all the remains of what earlier was quite sophisticated, complicated, and functional architecture of arms control in the world. but now we only have probably these bilateral treaty that limits the most dangerous a nuclear weapons of strategic reach. but it functions because apart from inspections that the attract that much of attention, both in washington and elsewhere. as we understand. there is a great deal of other means how to ensure visibility all was going on in this area for both sides. now i recognize that russia,

i took decision to postpone. ah, the already planned a regular session of bilateral consulting commission, due to be held these very days in cairo, egypt. but we did so because we couldn't just ignore, ah, what has been an ongoing attempt by the us to add a problems to the place. and undeniably the overall situation in and around ukraine and around new territories of russia. rob is so difficult, troubling, and in many ways this is because of us actions that just poor gas on fire now and again that we couldn't use, continue this business as usual. but the moments us once to come back to the table

and resume strategic security dialogue with russia, we will be there. ah, on the other hand, that eats a way too premature for me to predict. when russia will come back with bell turns if dates for this possible, bilateral consulting commission meeting, ah, in any case, this is not going to happen right away. and i have my doubts in regards to possibility to do so. before christmas, before new year. okay. it was rumored that during recent talks in ankara, deputy foreign minister between russia and the u. s. that the nuclear issue was raised. can you perhaps tell us a little more about that discussion? ah, you heard before from a russian high ranking officials that this contacts

a was a very close one. ah, i am not supposed to dwell on any of the details with respect to what was discuss what was not discussed there. ah, i am, i am, he said that i would also offer you a point on how we see a public messaging on their part or washington. this is troubling because as ever and as this happens all the time. and as it happened many times in the past, despite old understandings that we have something delicate, sensitive, something that should not be disclosed despite all this, washington leaks, and also portrays i situation in a manner that suits and eats interests. ab,

for instance, ah, we have several messages of substantial character on the part of you as high ranking officials on what transpired in ankara. i will limit my comments further to this end. ah, only to state that in some important aspects of these messages are not exactly compatible with our knowledge. how this meeting went on and what was discussed there. okay, just a couple more brief questions on this issue. terms like nuclear, a war on world war 3. we're increasingly hearing that both in the media and a government level. what's the purpose of that? who benefits from this type of aggressive rhetoric? i truly regret that this happens. ah ah more broadly apart from my

the immediate situation in the media and there in public discourse these weeks and months, ah, i am disturbed by the fact that them, the very idea of a nuclear war became over time. more and more acceptable if you wish, or general public. ah, you know, i this, this is one of the dangerous consequences of how new generations that never experienced any of the wars and troubles associated with this. and take it very in a very like a light way in a very laid back manner as if we're talking here on something similar to a computer game. ah, this is dangerous. i and the,

it's in admissible in our view. for russia's part, we stay very firm with both what is spelled out in our military doctrine and other relative instruments. and that has to do with this very important than central essential issue. the one that fundamentally on the pins on national security. but we also fully subscribe to the formula, which was coin several they decades ago on the fact that nuclear war and not b one and thus should not be fought ah, as late as junior this year, these famous formula was reconfirmed once again. now on a collective basis by all nuclear powers, so called p 5. and we were gratified with the ways how counterparts, how

a partners and our opponents work together to send this message out to the broad public, to them through the world. ah, on november 2nd, russia once again sent out an important message, inform wolf rest statement by the foreign ministry from here, from this very building. ah, to explain once again where we are. so i see no reason why these discourse continues. it's in interest though, those who want to stir fur further on the general sense of uncertain jan. find ways how to continue this litany of blames, blame game on russia. we can not accept it. it's completely completely absorbed them has nothing to do with the reality. i think it's worth elaborating to our

international viewers. on one other aspect, you mentioned in the last number of days that the situation iran, ukraine, has no influence over the nuclear deterrence. i believe that's right. what i'm saying. but it's in contrast to western views. what we're hearing, who try and tie up ukraine and nuclear issues together. can you maybe elaborate a little on that? in my view, ah, there is simply no connection between the 2. we see situation in ukraine unfolding, ah, in a disturbing manner because of us. and so called like minded allies and some others ah, beside to they decided so, and they continue to implement this decision, ah, to all for ever broader forms of assistance to ukraine in order to inflict so called strategic the fit upon russia. this is the hugest strategic

miscalculation ever made by western governors, a governments and western elites. russia will never be defeated. russia will sustain the course, and old goals and objectives of this special military operation will be achieved. this is a very firm, rob unwavering result by our political leadership, the whole government and the russian people, the people of russia. ah heavy said that i would underscore that there is meaningless to discuss and debate. ah, what a possible relation ah hypothetical use of nuclear weapons may have ah, over the situation in ukraine. again, there is no other way. but to see these as effectual statement on my

part. ah, that is a no 1st use of nuclear weapons apart from 2 highly hypothetical scenarios described fully and completely, ah, in a very in and be used for me. now, a military doctrine, the one we want. the 1st scenario is this scenarios hypothetical aggression against russia, with use of nuclear weapon or other weapons of mass destruction. and the 2nd one, aggression against russia, ah, with use of conventional weapons. ah, that thinks form where a bit very existence of the russian state, easy job are the otherwise there is no possibility for us to consider use of nuclear weapons, as you see, as you easily imagine and conclude very, it has nothing to do with the current situation. in ukraine,

russia's foreign ministry has said multiple times that the u. s. is increasingly close to becoming a party in the conflict in at ukraine. don bass through its weapons, supplies to key f u. s. veterans, private contractors. they have been and documented widely fighting against russian troops. so is america actually not a party in the conflict? and are you concerned that endless declarations from moscow without any real follow up will be seen as toothless on perhaps a sign of witness globally? first of all, ah, i disagree with the idea that there is no fall on, ah, much happens behind the scenes. much happens in terms on how we configure on military posture and what we do in terms of our military planning and our actual tactics. this is not for a foreign service officer like myself to,

to discuss and debate, but i know what i'm saying here about number 2 on my part. yes, we do believe that us and others come closer and closer to the point when they would be regarded as parties to these conflicts. the risks associated with this evolution and development are undeniable and the huge and they're growing. but we all so ah, act in our pronouncements, in the most responsible manner, we understand and appreciate that such a statement may have not on lee political but legal and other consequences. so we measure our pronouncements with great care. i know these days when people are more inclined to send and receive simple messages or such a game one, as we said, ah,

in our part of the world in the diplomatic world, shades and nuances such game is probably not the most popular one. but we do not abandon needs irrespective of how our adversaries and opponents describe or interpret this just because they don't like us. we do so deliberately not to always stretch our own messaging and also let me be very frank, to maintain a great deal of flexibility on how to configure our further action. because this something that will be, that will be with us for a while. yes. and we should be prepared to all sorts of contingencies in future big attempts, right? no, deputy foreign minister on for months really previously to isolate russia. you heard from mr. love ra, for instance, ban from the west, the parliamentary assembly,

and the russian delegation from the munich security conference as well. will such actions? will they work in separating russia from the global community? well, ah, the munich security conference is just ridiculous. ah, it degenerated over recent years into the platform where only the western nurse entertained themselves and enjoyed. ah, nice companies of each other. ah, the formal fog, denial of alternative messages that was practice sized in munich brought us well before this year of 2022. and the next year 2023. so low were the level of russian participation there. and we were close to boycotting

these events on our own. and even in absence, in a hypothetical world with no special military operation or a c, e e's are collapsing as a structure. ah, it's being cynically abused by the very same a group of countries to diminish importance, alternative views on global architecture and on european architecture. so, ah, absence of minas, the law girls in lloyds is regrettable. but this is also a sign on how furious our adversaries are in terms ofa, just destroying the fundamentals of procedures, not only the fundamental or political and security architecture, but the very essence on how the international system works. they are afraid of

truth, and they continue this ah, culture of denial in diplomacy. a b, a bullish presidency at o, a c e, completely completely unknown. he slide any rela, once, ah, to the sand, by the section. can we just, perhaps at us come to the conclusion of this interview? it's always fussing to talk to em, but i want to get your thoughts finally on the big issue that they the big picture right now in the world. a multi polar world is that coming around is not close because russia, russia is not alone, but it is clearly seeking to develop its partnerships. busy all around the globe. what is moscow's vision of such a world as an aside to that as well? if existing powerful nations resists the rise of the east, the global south,

what's the consequences of that? i think that rise over new centers of gravity. let me use the word not centers of power, although this is also a relative notion. but centers of civilization of gravity ah, cannot be stopped. much less stopped by will, willing to re means by a group of countries who ah, entertain, ah, the sense of their own superiority or others. our vision of the new world order would be the one where international law is observed and where there is sovereignty and mutual respect at the center. ah, of any relationship between countries, ah, no matter big or small, close neighbors or some one at

a distance. i would suggest that the abyss division nowadays is probably, ah, further away than ah, many would wish, but i am very convicted and i firmly believe that there is no other way if our west in the unit follow world, ah, with all its deficiencies and distortions ah, politically, economically, psychologically, in whatever form and also in the important barrier or values prevail, then we will have a long term period of conflicts began small. ah, and the troubles that will grow well beyond what we see to they. we should not allow these to happen. and we should have an upper hand in our defense of

or human values. that's what russia will do on the international arena in the time to come. well, we appreciate you coming on the program and giving us your time today. thank you so much sir. gay rehab, cough rushes, deputy foreign minister life on rti. thank you for having me. my pleasure. thank you sir. thanks. and that is where we leave the news. our for no more coming up the top there in 5 minutes. ceaser our ah. that's another well yeah. wow. div easy while find

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and engagement. it was the trail. when so many find themselves will to part, we choose to look some common ground. ah, the e u commission, she if deletes or post in which she claimed 100000 ukrainian soldiers had been killed in the war. the figures 10 times more than the one announced by ukrainian officials in august 3 people are reportedly killed and more than 20 injured in a deadly blast in pakistan. it comes after the pakistani taliban terrorist group called for attacks to take place across the country. following the end of a ceasefire and hundreds of people gather in front of a jail in pretoria to protest the release of the convicted murderer of south africa

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