ah, cross talking nato doubling down. i'm joined by my guest, daniel mc, adams in lake jackson. he's the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity in washington state. we have on 3 months on of he is a writer as well as a military and political analyst. and in loan's we cross tooth, young oberg, he is the director of the swedish independent transnational foundation for peace and future research. or a gentleman, cross stock rules that affect, that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, daniel, let me go to you 1st and like jackson here, nato is double down. you know, it's a, it's a, they met in book book harass, you know, they, they're doing it all over again. the door is open. so how is ukraine done over the years, with the open door to nato? has it really benefited nato? it all has it benefited nato. who has it benefit? go ahead, daniel. well, who would benefit it is of course the belt waved,

and that's the u. s. weapons manufacturers, raytheon who's representative is now our secretary of defense or who made bracey on missiles. they're the big beneficiaries of this whole project. it's now been 14 years since the 2008 declaration that georgia and ukraine would be welcomed into nato some day. and we saw from the foreign minister statement at this nature meeting that despite the rhetoric of jen salt and berg, which is always very heated and very turgid, the actual invitation. if you read the declaration is just kind of weak just as kind of in the future as it always has been. you know, so on did i leave the, the, the status quo over the last 14 years is just fine for salt and bergen, nato ok is a matter fact. it is, it is actually highlighted. i mean, all of us growing up nato was this kind of backwater alliance that soviet union

never had any intention been invading. and all of a sudden stop burg feels like, you know, he's like somebody like zalinski somebody important in the world. ok. but actually, this whole, the whole, all these events being played on ukraine has shown that nato is the biggest threat, japan, european security. nobody wants to talk about it. but it's obviously true when you have pan european security against russia in, without russia. this is what you get andre. yeah, this scares me in the morning. you are wanting america. fine. mr. law, we're all exactly the same. now. there will be all security in euro without russia and bill arms and just for yourself. ever them in dan, oldest given lions you there. i want to be sure that without united states never make or is not you know, basically a year old is reduced with the status of the lap dogs. and yes, as john,

you know, your boss. oh, sorry. and nothing will change until they denied it. states completely defeat there ever sent us across the board to come on me only because i want to go a day awesome standing actually because will office or additional license yeah, i mean huh. you know, you know, the rhetoric, i'm, obviously nato wants to exist. ok, it's a big grant. it's a big bureaucracy. there's a lot of nice, well, sounds there positions here is that you have all this elite capture, but young. i mean, what is it you have to show for itself, except for this time around? it's not, afghanistan is not iraq, it's not siri. it's not libya, it's ukraine. and europeans are paying a pretty high price for something that has nothing to do with their security whatsoever. so nato, i'm agreeing with andre. i'm hoping for a category,

a categorical defeat, for nato in ukraine, and it's, it's in the cards. go ahead young. well, yes, thank you very much for having me here. i'm just saying that they are under 50 or 60 pages book on mine on transnational but live with 30 arguments. why i think nato should be abolished it is. it was sent out in 1949. the purpose was to create peace . its own treaty is a copy of the united nations charter added article 5 mutual hate bod. it has said that it should be, should be created by p. one's according to one of the un, etc. nato has done nothing of that. it has violated with the bombing of yugoslavia time $99.00, for instance, an violated his own treaty and it has not in spite of, i don't know how many trainings of dollars tax pay is in the nato countries are

contributed. it has obviously now because of the expansion and i agree with. ready with those who say that this crisis is caused by the underlying conflict, which is nato expansion and asked that he is against, or ramos is given to work much off. and while the war is something in russia is really responsible for. but what i'm. ready saying is an organization that has exist over 73 years and not managed to do anything to talk to him about its primary goal should be evaluated, should be discussed, should be reformed completely or abolished and something great. deborah, daniel, that's never going to come into play. i. i agree with much of what young to say here. it's not worth it is not working. why continue it here? and again, i'd like to point out to our viewers ever since this exploration was made in 2008. haven't you noticed daniel, that ukraine get smaller and smaller and smaller,

the more nato helps in, in injects itself as a co belligerent in this conflict. daniel, a get smaller and it also gets colder for a it's a disaster. i mean, and that's you having friends like these, you know, they take, you do a party and they, they steal your wallet and they buy drinks with it and they leave. you rolled up in a corner somewhere, but you captured it, peter very well at the beginning. this is a massive grid. we send ukraine billions of dollars in weapons. russia blows them up and we say, oh gosh, these weapons have blown up. we need to said more mean literally the military industrial complex is on russia side in this fight as well. and we're going to spend, i think, $100000000.00 rebuilding their energy sector and rush is going to blow up. and we're going to do another 100000000000. i mean, this is incredible. you wonder how long i mean in the mainstream media. there is only one voice that i've seen. and that's tucker carlson who calls this out as the

griff that it is. and he had a, a young conservative woman on who called zelinski the welfare queen of the world, kansas owens. yep. and she's absolutely correct. that's the only person who's really calling it out. this is the gripped of all grips. this makes the cobra griffin look like an honest and honest endeavor. it's just unbelievable. and i just, it's hard to believe that the american public. and if you look at a recent poll, it shows that ukraine is way, way, way down on the scale of priorities. but nevertheless, it's way, way, way up when it comes to spending tons and tons of money. so at some point the american public we would presume, will connect the 2 dots and realize, oh my gosh, why am i so poor? well, all your money went to ukraine. you idiots. well and andre, i'd like to finish a daniel say it went to ukraine to whom because we know that

equipment doesn't all get to the front. the, the, the money transfers. i mean got, knows where that money goes. okay. i mean there are rumors, i'm not gonna confirm them here, but plenty of allegations of real estate deals in switzerland and all these. 1 other places far, far from the battlefield here. i mean, it's really quite interesting. have you noticed that over the last few months, a 10 year plan to rebuild the ukraine. net to rebuild that, that the nato countries have, at least their leaders have no intention of ending this thing anytime soon. they have grandiose plans. go ahead, andre. well, they may have whatever plans they won. bach august aware journalist for gats bear pure military industrial art on this bold spectacle and ask one of their users oboski on my blog. yes,

the beautifully comment that are on that you show all the shortages over there. for example, our tunic shells for their united states were get your brain. nobody states emphasized bobby, our project out dysfunction an o business. you and there are people who are in charge. they say that you are, it takes about 4 to 5 years through united states to even begin produce a shout into one that is necessary. and what we see with c l to remind us failure on late us bar to be at work til dash or requirements of the more their own walk with the peer which those are formed again. oh is specially when you see there that decline. yeah, deterioration if not was at the digital narration of maybe live rekey by religious off made in the last 20 years. oh good because. ringback august that it's all about

skinning and yes, you're right. so many senior yours there. i bought so many positions which may, wow, you know, why you won't bother song militarily name don't use only crate or find the 3rd world small nations like e b, i. and they are, oh, well yeah, i mean you have someone like, oh, the stilton berg and others, burrell saying that if, if a russia prevails in ukraine, it's a defeat for the weston defeat for nato. well that's i, i agree with that and i look forward to that because it will, this will come to an end. and then we'll have cooler head sitting down and say, let's have a charity arrangement for the entire continent. would probably wouldn't need to be that all that much militarized, if you think about it. at the last 30 seconds before we go to the break, young. i completely agree we live in a militarist time. everybody is intoxicated with weapons and weapons, weapons as an answer to all kinds of problems. we should have done long ago that

what was needed at the time. and gorbachev suggested in a new security structure, built on common security, defense, defense companies, military and civilian defense, civilian companies. as lucian, the european, united nation was or something like that. we did not do that, we had try out the logistic, lee expand it may tell and beyond risk nature babies out agent organization is expand. yep, that's a got when you members probably knew it knows it's a, it's a, it's an alliance that exists to exist. gentlemen. i have to jump in here, we have to go to one hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on nato doubling down. stay with arte ah

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a me of stilton burgess. he's. he's very pissy. i would say when he speaks he and i know if you notice is this kind of nato ease that he's always talking about. it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. a lot of it is circular reasoning, but this is what he had to say in bucharest, on his anniversary visit from 2008. he was there, he right, whom reminds us, president putin cannot deny sovereign nations to make their own sovereign decisions . but i guess that doesn't apply to russia. thoughts, daniel, sovereign peoples, you know, y'all made a great point about nato's existence. it's only to expand. it's kind of like the sam, thank mon freight of military alliance. i was wondering who is going to come up with a connection in this program. you were the 1st one. go keep going. you have to keep pulling in new suckers to keep surviving. and, you know, i mean, nato is the home of failed scandinavian politicians, and that's the case. and when you let these people of the politics and the

scandinavians make your defense policy, you've got a big problem because you have a problem of moral hazard. the people in the poles as well, the people who have it in for russia are sucking everyone else into fighting their fight for them. and it's a huge, huge problem. nato should never expand that. a good friend of mine at the state department. the time was chief ins in charge of promoting need to expansion in the ninety's, he sent me a note saying how much he regrets the role that he played in arguing for the expansion of nato to poland and hungary in the 1st round. and i think a lot of people are feeling that way, but nevertheless, the u. s. is going to train $2500.00 cranium soldiers. we've heard now it's going to be a massive increase that's about like 3 days on the battlefield. exactly. when they let me let andre react to that here, because you know, when they talk about a 100000 rounds, are going to be sent in 1500 troops in the andre, in the scheme of things on a battlefield. what kind of numbers to this really mean?

because it looks more like p r to me, i'm not a military person. and so it says $100000.00 rounds. maybe i'll be in press. your military person does that, you know, is i get you through your breakfast, go ahead. andre. yeah. day offs. parade being the one all the barrel right now. again, i entirety. great. most will be mostly for the problem solving all the internal political problems. bought the scale all dare so to speak. 8 in reality is not been freezing, is actually a decrease of repose. there's very little laugh who supply your brain with enough force. are you in this look war, colonel mcgregor? i'd love to have an independent numbers. so i have to refer under him, or russia has now about $540000.00 utils, along their borders of the former ukraine. and we can only guess for capitals wants

the ground freezers. so have you often brought all been congress troops in bengal, making a difference watch right. wow. now off st. saw warner alliance and she was on tuesday. she saw his ball with the tools, at least she gave the for all or are or order. or there are you plenty of gammel, just both keys and wounded, with your deductible boy from there. so we're looking at about a $454.00 or 500000. unfortunately, brain are general just with more than 100000 killed and another 3 before 400000 wounded. ah, yeah, that's pretty much it for real armed forces, ukraine and wish out this feedback pulls something with the brain, young on a soldier's complaining that they've been thrown into their franchise without any

preparation any so yet will lock them for any 2500 or whatever if you 200 are there, so now i don't know will they can rainbow? no dam floor. so it just you know, rock again a graft and money making as much as they can. yeah, i me. yeah, this is one of the things. it's really kind of perplexing. if you look at it from a common sense point of view. we do know that in, in march there were maneuvers to, for some kind of a termination of the conflict in is stem bull. i take those reports very credibly. and, but you have an elite that wants to continue the war, and i'm sorry, maybe i that it sound like a broken record, but it's about the griff that keeps the money coming in. everything is a fundraiser, like fundraising. take another farm. they take another village fund, raise fundraise, because they know the jig is going to be up eventually. and they just want to hear as much wealth as they possibly can. maybe, you know,

selling stuff off on the black market, which there are credible reports of bad as well. i mean, it, i'm trying to understand the mindset of this elite here because what, you know, using your own people as fodder on such a massive scale shows, at least there's a disconnect here. we know that it's a one party state right now. there's no freedom of speech and the west. it sees this image of ukraine that doesn't even exist. so it seems like it's a real money making event here before you know they, they have to cross to rubicon and say, well, there's not much crane left. go ahead young. well, i don't really know how much economy is driving this. what we're facing is all over the world. and in most countries of the world is one nuclear, isn't that he's part of something else called me mac, the military, industrial media, academic complex. it's much more than ice now,

talked about the military industrial complex, and the least you talk about a characterized, whether in russia, whether in nature, whether in you, whether in, you know, any country with the military. they are all conflict resolution and peace, illiterate. there is no, i do, i, i do have to push back a little bit there. i don't think there's any indication russia wanted to have a military conflict in ukraine. if you look from 2014, particularly with the qu in, in care of russia, born, that the very existence of ukraine was at hand. here. we have been december of last year to say almost exactly a year ago, warnings that if you do not change direction, we're gonna all be in trouble. so i do have to push back on that. ok, the military industrial complex as it existed. russia is nothing like it is in the united states. okay. because russia doesn't look for foreign wars. the u. s. does

daniel react to that was very interesting. i was not saying that i will, i just go, i think there isn't parody on that one issue. that's all i'm saying. okay, daniel, go ahead. that's not what i said. i ok, i'm correcting myself. ok, i did, i'm correcting my. so go ahead. i think you should my just did for the 2nd time. go ahead, daniel. i'm just going to say, what's interesting is that when i met with these mothers of soldiers, recently he issued kind of a very rare self correction, which you don't often hear from you. he's a very confident leader. doesn't often in public say that he was wrong, but he admitted in so many words that he was wrong in 2014. yeah. when he decided to pull back into not accept the don bass into russia to not accept the please of the russians in the area to be freed of the torture that they had suffered from

kiev all this time. and i think that was very telling, he understands he understood, and he said it out loud. that his reticence to enter into this military conflict at the time caused a lot of pain and suffering of the people in dawn best. and i think he must feel very acutely the, the pressure, the, the, the, the sense that, that he's let people down. and i think that probably drives a lot of what he's doing right now. yeah, i mean, andre, one of the things that western audiences don't understand because they're so propagandized. but, you know, the eastern part of the dumbass crimea, these are domestic political issues in russia. they're not foreign issues. ok. and, and there's that there is a very strong connection right there. and i agree with daniel, i mean, there's an interesting on the, there's an interesting juxtaposition here. nato can never admit that it's wrong. vladimir putin, it admitted that he was wrong on something 8 years ago. go ahead,

andre. well, when you do, you have their own business of the fact that the rocky chance actually on one which is a human and the law that he states, man. he was speaking from the human heart, michelle from das, including for example, if you'll remember, his musical direct response or at that. and the grocery store was people the invasion all day. the national dairies, in 1999 saw air. he's drinking this, you know, shop a book that still wants speaking in terms of there are real situation in full 1014 rational wasn't already yet to face. what will, how far inevitably and which have bought it. she wasn't ready, and in this case year is both of michelle, that people come down better, but it wasn't human that mission as the states ran. ah, i it worried that it's a that whilst dime and many a state of this, russia hasn't been already. if

a $1015.00, it's popular, different case now. and yeah, it is a human emotion on his part. and he is going to be a very emotional, an honest man, especially with speaking to them. august was better. and i mean, if nato doesn't change course, than what we're going to see is more conflict in this, in this part of the world in the, on the european continent here. because it's very clear to me that the only way this conflicts ends isn't russia gets what it wants. it's about. it's black and white to me go ahead young one minute you young guy, well met some mixture. that's a mixture of the 2 things. the war and the mile in some of the weapons on symptoms alarm the lying conflicts. it's my 1st patient who goes to a doctor and say, i had a year, and the doctor only discusses the pain and doesn't go to a diagnosis to find out where does that come from? and unless all russia you cry and nate out you

n it said begin to stop talking about weapons and war and be obsessed with that then, and go to the discussion of underlying conflicts. you can never solve a complete if you look at simpsons and weapons and the violence only, then that becomes the rest of continuing this for years. but if you one piece, and that's my profession, you have to look at do a diagnosis of the underlying conflicts and then discuss who can be a mediator who could say when you wait with which tables, which issues to discuss how to eat. sure, a little bit every day to watch something that or parties can live with. there is no future for europe, neither know, east or west. if we continue focusing just on the, on that dynamics, that was that dynamic. so weapons and the military thinking that is imbued in everybody's mind, okay, we've run out of time, but i don't think i can't think of

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