for today's on western diplomats, i mean for the british and american implements, but the point is that russia was never seen as equal. and the idea that you can have a if you have a c and power to defend its interest is dangerous by itself for the creators of. busy policies in the west, and i think that's where all this comes from. so this is just the, you know, a burg obama use the word exceptionalism. heels in that, that, i mean this, this comes from the anglo saxon political thought. it comes all the way from, from francis bacon and others. so, but the point is that they do not want to see the rest of the world as equals or as partners, but only as a, let's say, freud, young protection as a colonial object. so this idea of the colonization of russia

is basically an idea of colonizing resources. let's remember what, what madeline. all right, said in the past. you said it's not fair that russia, with such a small population, has 40 percent of world's resources. and that says it all, so i think that we are facing a really a struggle between 2 concepts of humanity. essentially i, dr. steven guy, it's professor at the institute for european studies. thanks for joining us on the program. thank you. ah, now for veterans of the war and ukraine joined our t for exclusive interviews about their combat experience parties. marina culture of us spoke with a paramedic named you katerina, yvonne yvonne. and here's her story. ah,

let's see more to that other. there was a shelling on february 27th. we were in a forest where we knew there were land mines. all day the troops were digging a trench. we as doctors, were providing medical care including doing bandage work. then shelling started a shoot out. there were many wounded, we gathered them, and morning came. we travelled in a small convoy, probably drove 50 kilometers and then came under mortar fire. those who were only lightly wounded, jumped out and started shooting back. we stayed in the vehicle with the seriously injured patience. a shell flew in tar position. i covered a seriously wounded man with my body since i was sitting on a stretcher in front of him, pieces of the vehicle hit me. i have shards in my head, shards and my hands, shards, and my lower back. the biggest 12 and

a half centimeters long is in my shoulder. there were several operations to remove the fragments. a doctor said they couldn't all be taken out. they would remain that way. it was to them. i be census that can explain to us what it's like to work as a paramedic field of what them. we work on auto mode. the brain just switches off. you do the work that you're trained to do. we've not been to other hot spots. there was nothing to compare it with. we didn't really think about it actually being live shelling we were in the trench looking at the stretcher with the wounded carrying the 2nd. 3rd, we brought them into the ambulance, immediately performed some kind of operation and provided 1st aid. all of that happens on the field, a cookie, some of that out. what are the worst injuries? should of animals go you cranial cerebral injuries are the most terrible and dominant injuries because inspection is possible. actually, any injury can be dangerous as those bushes. so what, what is your,

what affected you the most when you were there? maybe something you saw or some kinds of attitudes to civilians or to soldiers. nor did his focus to store. i was struck by the cruelty. they hit ambulances. we were driving, carrying the wounded. everyone understands perfectly well that an ambulance marked with a red cross transports helpless people wounded people. how can you kill a wounded man? we will continue to bring you these exclusive interviews of russian soldiers and in just about an hour. we'll hear from major alexander, you couldn't who evacuated people from ukrainians shelling, so stay tuned. ah ah.

hello and welcome to cross thought were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle because of nato's insistence to expand eastward. we have the conflict in ukraine and ukraine is quickly becoming a failed state and to humanitarian crisis. none the less nato is undeterred. this alliance continues to be the biggest threat. japan, european security, is also indifferent to the damage it does to the international system. ah, cross stocking nato doubling down. i'm joined by my guess, daniel nick, adams, and lake jackson. he's the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity in washington state. we have on 3 month round of he is a writer as well as a military and political analyst. and in loan's we cross to young oberg. he is the director of the swedish independent transnational foundation for peace and future

research. or a gentleman cross sack rules that affect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, danny. let me go to you 1st and like jackson here, nato is double down. you know, it's a, it's a there. they met in book book arrests, you know, they, they're doing it all over again. the door is open. so how is ukraine done over the years, with the open door to nato? has it really benefited nato? it all has it benefited nato who has a benefit? go ahead, daniel. wow, who would benefit it? is, of course, the beltway bandits. the u. s. weapons manufacturers, raytheon who's representative is now our secretary of defense. right. who made to break the on missiles or the big beneficiaries? this whole project. it's now been 14 years since the 2008 declaration. the georgia and ukraine would be welcomed into nato some day. and we saw from the foreign minister statement at this nato meeting, that despite the rhetoric of jen stoughton berg,

which is always very heated. and very turgid of the actual invitation if you read the declaration as just as kind of week just as kind of in the future as it always has been. yeah, so on the day the, the, the, the status quo of the last 14 years is just fine. for sultan bergen, nato. ok. it's a matter fact. it is, it is actually highlighted. i mean, all of us growing up nato was this kind of a backwater alliance than soviet union never had any intention but invading and all of a sudden stillberg feels like, you know, he's like somebody like zalinski. somebody important in the world. ok. but actually, this whole, the whole, all these events being played on ukraine has shown that nato is the biggest threat to pan european security. nobody wants to talk about it. but it's obviously true when you have pan european security against russia in, without russia. this is what you get andre. yeah, this scares me. in the morning. you are wanting america. fine. mr. long,

we're all exactly the same. now. there will be no security in europe without russia and bill arms and just for yourself, ever them. and in dam oldest given lions you, i want to be sure that without united states maker is not you know, basically a year old is reduced with the status of the lap dogs. and yes, as john, you know, your boss. oh sorry. and nothing will change until they denied it. states completely defeat there ever sent us across the board to come on me only because i want to call a day also standing actually will office or additional last yeah. i mean huh. you know, you know, the rhetoric, i'm, obviously nato wants to exist. ok, it's a big grant. it's

a big bureaucracy. there's a lot of nice, well, sounds there positions here is that you have all this elite capture, but young. i mean, what is it you have to show for itself, except for this time around? it's not, afghanistan is not iraq, it's not siri. it's not libya, it's ukraine. and europeans are paying a pretty high price for something that has nothing to do with their security whatsoever. so nato, i'm agreeing with andre. i'm hoping for a category, a categorical defeat, for nato in ukraine, and it's, it's in the cards. go ahead young. well, yes, thank you very much for having me here. i'm just saying that the, so i wrote 50 other 60 pages book on mine on transnational but live with 30 arguments to why i think nato should be abolished it is. it was sent up in 1949. the purpose was to create peace. its own treaty is a copy of the united nations charter added article 5 mutual

aid. but it has said that it should be should be created by p owns, according to one of the un, etc. nato has done nothing of that. it is violated with the bombing time $9.00 to $9.00. for instance, an i lay did his own treaty and it has not in spite of, i don't know how many trainings of dollars tax pay is in the nato countries are contributed. it has obviously now because of the expansion and i agree. ready with those who say that this crisis is caused by the underlying conflict, which is nato expansion and asked that he is against or rob is, is given to work much off. and while the war is something russia is responsible for. but what i'm. ready saying is an organization that has exist over 73 years and

not managed to do anything come to talk to him about it. it's, it's primary goal should be evaluated, should be discussed, should be reformed completely or abolished and something great. deborah, daniel, that's never going to come into play. i. i agree with much of what young to say here. it's not worth it is not working. why continue it here? and again, i'd like to point out to our viewers ever since this exploration was made in 2008. haven't you noticed daniel, that ukraine gets smaller and smaller and smaller. the more nato helps in, in injects itself as a co belligerent in this conflict. daniel, it gets smaller and it also gets colder for a, a, it's, it's a disaster. i mean, imagine having friends like these, you know, they take you to a party and they, they steal your wallet and they buy drinks with it and they leave. you rolled up in a corner somewhere, but you captured it, peter very well at the beginning. this is a massive grid. we send ukraine billions of dollars in weapons. russia blows

them up, and we say, oh gosh, these weapons are blown up. we need to said more mean literally the military industrial complex is on russia side in this fight as well. and we're going to spend, i think, $100000000.00 rebuilding their energy sector and russia is going to blow up. and we're going to send another 100000000000. i mean, this is incredible. you wonder how long i mean in the mainstream media. there is only one voice that i've seen. and that's tucker carlson, who calls this out as the griff that it is. and he had a, a, a young conservative woman on who called zelinski the welfare queen of the world. candace owens. yep. and she's absolutely correct. that's the only person who's really calling it out. this is the gripped of all grips. this makes the cobra griffin look like an honest and honest endeavor. it's just unbelievable. and i just, it's hard to believe that the american public. and if you look at a recent poll,

it shows that ukraine is way, way, way down on the scale of priorities. but nevertheless, it's way, way, way up when it comes to spending tons and tons of money. so at some point the american public we would presume, will connect the 2 dots and realize, oh my gosh, why am i so poor? well, all your money with ukraine, you idiots. well and andre, i'd like to finish a daniel say it went to ukraine to whom because we know the equipment doesn't all get to the front. the, the, the money transfers. i mean, got, knows where that money goes. okay. i mean, there are rumors, i'm not going to confirm them here, but plenty of allegations of real estate deals in switzerland and all these other places far, far from the battlefield here. i mean it's, it's really quite interesting. have you noticed that over the last few months, a 10 year plan to rebuild the ukraine. net, to rebuild that,

that the nato countries have, at least their leaders have no intention of ending this thing anytime soon? they have grandiose plans. go ahead on the right. well, they may have, well, whatever place they won, bach august aware generals forgets bear pure military industrial art on this bold spectacle and ask one of their users oboski national. my blog yesterday. beautifully, comment that are on there. you show all the shortages over there. for example, our tunic shells for the united states were getting your brain about the states and assess, bobby, our project out dysfunction an o business. you and there are people who are in charge. they say that are, you'll all it takes about 4 to 5 years through united states. do you wanna begin produce a shout in the one that is necessary. and wanted to see with c,

l a. to remind us failure on late us bar to be at work til dash or requirements of the more of their own walk with the peer which does different again. oh is specially when you see there are decline and deterioration if not, was a division irrational, maybe live rekey by religious or nato in the last 20 years. oh good because august that it's all about skinning and yes, you're right. so many senior yours there. i bought so many positions which way, wow, you know why you won't bother song militarily. nathan is only great. the full find . the 3rd world small nations like e b, i and they are, oh, well yeah, i mean you have someone like own me, stilton berg, and others, burrell saying that if, if a russia prevails in ukraine, it's

a defeat for the weston defeat for nato. well that's i, i agree with that and i look forward to that because of all of this will come to an end. and then we'll have cooler head sitting down and say, let's have a charity arrangement for the entire continent. would probably wouldn't need to be that all that much militarized, if you think about it at the last 30 seconds before we go to the break, young. i completely agree we live in a militarist time. everybody is intoxicated with weapons of weapons, weapons, all kinds of problems. we should have done long ago that what was needed at the time. and gorbachev suggested it. and you security start your bill on common security, defense, defense companies, military and civilian defense. so we incorporate a european united nation us or something like that. we did not do that, we had try out the list to clean expand. it may be on the risk nature, maybe out age and organization is expand. yep, that's a lot with new members. a, it's a, it's a,

it's an alliance that exists to exist. gentlemen, i have to jump in here. we have to go to what hard, breaking up about hard break. we'll continue our discussion on nato doubling down. stay with our t with ah, welcome back. across stock where all things are considered on peter labelle to remind you we're discussing nato doubling down. ah. okay, let's go back to daniel lake jackson. i me of stilton burgess. he's. he's very pissy

. i would say when he speaks, he and i know if you've noticed is this kind of nato ease that he's always talking about. it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. a lot of it is circular reasoning, but this is what he had to say in bucharest, on his anniversary visit from 2008. he was there, he right, whom reminds us, president putin cannot deny sovereign nations to make their own sovereign decisions . but i guess that doesn't apply to russia. thoughts, daniel, sovereign peoples, you know, y'all made a great point about nato's existence. it's only to expand. it's kind of like the sam. thank mon freight of military alliance, isn't it? i was, i was wondering who is going to come up with bad connection in this program. you were the 1st one going to keep going. you have to keep pulling in new suckers to keep, you know, surviving. and, you know, i mean, nato is the home of failed scandinavian politicians, and that's the case. and when you let these people of the baltics in the scandinavians make your defense policy, you've got a big problem because you have

a problem of moral hazard. the people in the poles as well, the people who have it in for russia are sucking everyone else into fighting their fight for them. and it's a huge, huge problem. nato should never expand that. a good friend of mine at the state department. the time was chief in charge of promoting nato expansion in the ninety's. he sent me a note saying how much he regrets the role that he played in arguing for the expansion of nato to poland and hungary in the 1st round. and i think a lot of people are feeling that way, but nevertheless, the u. s. is going to train $2500.00 and cranium soldiers. we've heard now it's going to be a massive increase. that's about like 3 days on the battlefield. exactly. let me let andre react to that here because, you know, when they talk about a 100000 rounds, are going to be sent in 1500 troops in the andre, in the scheme of things on a battlefield. what kind of numbers to this really mean?

because it looks more like p r to me, i'm not a military person and someone says, 100000 rounds. maybe i'll be in press, your military person. does that, you know, does that get you to your breakfast? go ahead on that. i yeah, they are a being the one all the barrel right now. again, i entirely agree most with this be more we for the problem solving, all the internal political problems bought the scale all down, so to speak. 8 in reality is looking praising is actually a decrease because there's very little laugh to supply your brain with enough force . are you? and if the quarter panel mcgregor are an independent numbers, so i'd have to refer under here are russia has now about 540000 utils, along their borders of the former ukraine. and we can only guess for capitals wants

the ground freezers. so hybrid boston brought all been congress troops become in bengal, making a difference more. charel. wow. now are seen saw warner alliance. and she was on tuesday. she saw his bolt, the tools, at least she gave the pearl or are or order of there. are you pretty again, multis, boesky i a's and wounded with your deductible it from there. so we're looking at about a $454.00 or 500000. unfortunately, brain again will just with more than 100000 killed and another 3 before 400000 wounded. ah, yeah, that's pretty much you'd flaw real armed forces for crane and wish out this kid back bulls. something with the brain, young on a soldiers complaining that they've been thrown into their product line without any preparation. any song yet would love them for any $4500.00 or whatever. if you 200

are there. so now i don't know, will they can rainbow you owe them for? so it just, you know, run again a graft and money making as much as they can. yeah, i me, yeah, this is one of the things it's really kind of perplexing. if you look at it from a common sense point of view, we do, you know that in, in march there were maneuvers to, for some kind of a termination of the conflict in, in a stem bull. i take those reports very credibly and but you have any leads that wants to continue the war, and i'm sorry, it may be that it sound like a broken record, but it's about the griff that keeps the money coming in. everything is a fundraiser, like fundraising, take another farm, you know, they take another village fund, raise fundraise, because they know the jig is going to be up eventually. and they just want to care as much wealth as they possibly can. maybe, you know,

it's selling stuff off on the black market, which there are credible reports of bad as well. i mean, it, i'm trying to understand the mindset of this elite here because it was, you know, using your own people as fodder on such a massive scale shows, at least there's a disconnect here. we know that it's a one party state right now. there's no freedom of speech and the west. it sees this image of ukraine that doesn't even exist. so it seems like it's a real money making event here before, you know, maybe they have to cross the rubicon and say, well there's not much grain left. go ahead young. well, i don't really know how much economy is driving this one will be facing is all over the world. and in most countries of the world is one nuclear isn't. but that is part of something else called me mac, the military, industrial media, academic complex. it's much more than i somehow talked about the military

industrial complex. and the least you talk about are characterized whether in russia, whether in nature, whether in you, whether in, you know, any country with the military. they are all conflict resolution and peace, illiterate. no, yeah, i do, i hi. i do have to push back a little bit there. i don't think there's any indication russia wanted to have a military conflict in ukraine. if you look from 2014, particularly with the qu in, in kev, russia born that the very existence of ukraine was at hand. here. we have been december of last year to say almost exactly a year ago, warnings that if you do not change direction, we're going to all be in trouble. so i do have to push back on that. okay. the military industrial complex as it existed, russia is nothing like it is in the united states. okay. because russia doesn't look for foreign wars. the u. s. does daniel react to that was very interesting. i

was not saying that i will, i guess what i'm saying there isn't parody on that one issue. that's all i'm saying. okay, daniel, go ahead. that's not what i said. i ok, i'm correcting myself. ok, i didn't, i'm correcting my. so go ahead. i think you should, i just did for the 2nd time. go ahead, daniel. i'm just going to say, what's interesting is that when i met with these mothers of soldiers, recently he issued kind of a very rare self correction, which you don't often hear from you. he's a very confident leader, doesn't often in public say that he was wrong, but he admitted in so many words that he was wrong in 2014. yeah. when he decided to pull back into not accept the don bass into russia to not accept the please of the russians in the area to be freed of the torture that they had suffered from kiev all this time. and i think that was very telling,

he understands he understood, and he said it out loud. that his reticence to enter into this military conflict at the time caused a lot of pain and suffering of the people in dawn best. and i think he must feel very acutely the, the pressure, the, the, the, the sense that of that he's let people down. and i think that probably drives a lot of what he's doing right now. yeah, i mean, andre, one of the things that western audiences don't understand because they're so propagandized. but, you know, the eastern part of the dumbass, crimea, these are domestic political issues in russia. they're not foreign issues. ok. and, and there's that there is a very strong connection right there. and i agree with daniel, i mean, there's an interesting on the, there's an interesting juxtaposition here. nato can never admit that it's wrong. vladimir putin, it admitted that he was wrong on something 8 years ago. go ahead, andre. well, when you do you've,

they're all business to the fact that the iraqi gents actually are one which is a human and another is states man. he was speaking from the human heart withdrawal from das in tony. for example, if you'll remember his musical direct response or at that and the grocery store was people the invasion, roving, the national dairies in 1999 saw air. he's drinking this, you know, shop of what best fuel once speaking in terms of there are real situation in full 1014 rational wasn't already yet to face. what would, how far you now would there be and which have bought it. she wasn't ready. and in this case, year is both admissions that people come down better, but it wasn't human that mission as the states man, ah, i agreed that it is that windows dime and many a state of this, russia hasn't been already if a $1050.00 and it's fucking at a different game now,

and yeah, it is a human emotion on his part, and he is going to be a very emotional, an honest man, especially speaking for the longest, was better. and i mean, if nato doesn't change course, than what we're going to see is more conflict in this, in this part of the world in the, on the european continent here. because it's very clear to me that the only way this conflicts ends isn't russia gets what it wants. it's about. it's black and white. to me, go ahead young one minute, you younger wellness, some mixture. that's a mixture of the 2 things. the war and the mile in some of the weapons are symptoms underlying conflicts. it's my 1st patient who goes to a doctor and say, i had a year, and the doctor only discusses the pain and doesn't go to a diagnosis to find out where ain't come from. and unless all russia you cry and nate o u n, et cetera, begin to start talking about weapons and warfare and be obsessed with that

then, and go to the discussion of underlying conflicts. you can never solve the conflict . if you look at simpsons and weapons and the violence only, then that becomes the restaurant of continuing this for years. but if you want peace and that's my professor, you have to look and do a diagnosis of the underlying conflicts and then discuss who can be a mediator who could say when you wait with which tables, which issues to discuss how to each you a little bit every day to watch something that or parties can live with. there is no future for europe, neither know east or west. if we continue focusing just on the, on that dynamics that was that dynamic. so weapons and the militarist thinking that is in everybody's mind, okay. we've run out of time, but i don't think i can't think of a better way to end the program than onions. words, very,

very wise words. this all the time we have many thanks them i guess and like jackson moon and in washington state. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time. remember across huffman with warning, disturbing images ahead. 3 people are killed after cubes, forces shell residential areas of done yet. local official se nato supplied shelves were used in the attack. berlin claims of famine that occurred nearly a century ago and soviet ukraine was genocide, that's as residents of namibia say. germany has failed.