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ah. hello and welcome across not we're all things are considered. i am peter lavelle because of nato's insistence to expand eastward. we have the conflict in ukraine and ukraine is quickly becoming a failed state and to humanitarian crisis. none the less nato is undeterred. this alliance continues to be the biggest threat. japan, european security, is also indifferent to the damage it does to the international systems. ah, cross talking nato doubling down. i'm joined by my guess, daniel nick, adams, and lake jackson. he's the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity in washington state. we have on 3 month round of he is a writer as well as a military and political analyst. and in loan's we cross to young oberg. he is the

director of the swedish independent transnational foundation for peace and future research. or a gentleman cross sack rules that affect, that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, danny. let me go to you 1st and like jackson here, nato is double down. you know, it's a, it's a there. they met in book book arrests, you know, they, they're doing it all over again. the door is open. so how is ukraine done over the years, with the open door to nato? has it really benefited nato? it all has it benefited nato who has a benefit? go ahead, daniel. well, who would benefit it is, of course, the beltway then that the u. s. weapons manufacturers raytheon who's representative is now our secretary of defense, or who made bracey on missiles the big beneficiaries of this whole project. it's now been 14 years since the 2008 declaration that georgia and ukraine would be welcomed into nato some day. and we saw from the foreign minister statement of this

nature meeting that despite the rhetoric of gen spartanburg, which is always very heated and very turgid, the actual invitation. if you read the declaration is just as kind of a week just as kind of in the future as it always has been. you know, so on did i leave the, the, the status quo over the last 14 years is just fine for salt and bergen, nato ok is a matter fact. it is, it is actually highlighted. i mean, all of us growing up nature which is kind of backwater alliance. the soviet union never had any intention of invading and all sudden still burg, feels like, you know, he's like somebody like zalinski. somebody important in the world. ok. but actually, this whole, the whole, all these events being played on ukraine has shown that nato is the biggest threat to pan european security. nobody wants to talk about it, but it's obviously true when you have pan european security against russia in,

without russia. this is what you get andre. yeah, this scares me in the morning. you are wanting america. fine. mr. long, we're all exactly the same. now. there will be no security in euro without russia and bill arms and just for yourself ever them in the oldest given lions you there. i want to be sure that without united states maker is not, you know, basically a year old is reduced with the status of the lap dogs. and yes, as john, you know, your boss, oh, sorry. and nothing will change until they denied it. states completed the feeder ever since across the board to come on me only because i want to go a day. awesome standing actually will office or additional

license. yeah, i mean huh. you know, you know, the rhetoric, i'm, obviously nato wants to exist. ok, it's a big grant, it's a big bureaucracy. there's a lot of nice, well, sounds there positions here is that you have all this elite capture, but young. i mean, what is it you have to show for itself except for this time around? it's not. afghanistan is not iraq, it's not siri, it's not libya, it's ukraine, and europeans are paying a pretty high price for something that has nothing to do with their security whatsoever. so nato, i'm agreeing with andre. i'm hoping for a category, a categorical defeat for nato in ukraine. and it's, it's in the cards. go ahead young. well, yes, thank you very much for having me here. i'm just saying that the, so i wrote 50 other 60 pages book on mine on transnational but live with 30 arguments. why i think nato should be abolished it is. it was set up in 1949. the

purpose was to create peace. its own treaty is at copy of the united nations charter added article 5 mutual hate bod. it has said that it should be, should be created by p once, according to one of the un, etc. nato has done nothing of that. it is violated with the bombing time $9.00 to $9.00. for instance, i lay did his own treaty and it has not in spite of, i don't know how many trillions of dollars tax pay is in the nato countries are contributed. it hasn't been k now because of the expansion. and i agree. ready with those who say that this crisis is caused by the underlying complete, which is nato expansion and asked that he is against or rob is, is given to work much off. and while the war is something russia is responsible

for. but what i'm. ready saying is an organization that has exist over 73 years and not managed to do anything to talk to him about it. it's, it's primary goal should be evaluated, should be discussed, should be reformed completely or abolished and something here. but daniel, that's never going to come into play. i, i agree with much of what young to say here. it's not worth it is not working. why continue it here? and again, i'd like to point out to our viewers ever since this exploration was made in 2008. haven't you noticed daniel, that ukraine get smaller and smaller and smaller, the more nato helps in, in injects itself as a co belligerent in this conflict. daniel, a get smaller and it also gets colder for a it's a disaster. i mean, imagine having friends like these, you know, they take you to a party and they, they steal your wallet and they buy drinks with it and they leave. you rolled up in

a corner somewhere. but you captured it, peter very well at the beginning. this is a massive grist. we send ukraine billions of dollars in weapons. russia blows them up and we say, oh gosh, these weapons are blown up. we need to send more. mean, literally, the military industrial complex is on russia side, in this fight as well. and we're going to spend, i think, $100000000.00 rebuilding their energy sector and russia is going to blow up and we're going to send another $100000000000.00. i mean, this is incredible. you wonder how long i mean in the mainstream media there is only one voice that i've seen and that's tucker carlson who calls this out as the griff that it is. and he had a, a, a young conservative woman on who called zelinski the welfare queen of the world. candice owens. yep. and she's absolutely correct. that's the only person who's really calling it out. this is the griffith of all grips. this makes the cobra griffin look like an honest and honest endeavor. it's just unbelievable. and

i just, it's hard to believe that the american public. and if you look at a recent poll, it shows that ukraine is way, way, way down on the scale of priorities. but nevertheless, it's way, way, way up when it comes to spending tons and tons of money. so at some point the american public we would presume, will connect the 2 dots and realize, oh my gosh, why am i so poor? well, all your money with ukraine, you idiots. well and andre, i'd like to finish a daniel say it went to ukraine to whom because we know the equipment doesn't all get to the front. the, the, the money transfers. i mean, got, knows where that money goes. okay. i mean, there are rumors, i'm not going to confirm them here, but plenty of allegations of real estate deals in switzerland and all these other places far, far from the battlefield here. i mean it's,

it's really quite interesting. have you noticed that over the last few months, a 10 year plan to rebuild the ukraine. net, to rebuild that, that the nato countries have, at least their leaders have no intention of ending this thing anytime soon? they have grandiose plans. go ahead on the right. well, they may have whatever blast they won. bach august aware generals forgets bear pure military industrial art on this bold spectacle and ask one of their users oboski national. my book yesterday. beautifully, comment that are on that you show all the shortages over there. for example, are culinary shells for the united states were getting your brain about it states and just as bobby our project dial dysfunction, an o business, you and there are people who are in charge. they say that are, you'll all,

it takes about 4 to 5 years to united states to even begin produce a shout in the one that is necessary. and what did you see with c, l. a. to remind us failure on leg us bar to be added. what full dash or requirements of the more their own walk with the peer which does different again. oh is specially when you see their decline and deterioration if not presented degeneration of maybe live rekey by religious or maybe in the last 20 years. oh good. because. ringback august that it's all about skinning and yes, you're right. so many senior yours there. i bought so many positions which way wow, you know why you won't bother song militarily. nathan is only crate the pl. find the 3rd world small nations like e b, i and they are, oh, well yeah, i mean you have someone leica own me,

stilton berg and others, burrell saying that if, if a russia prevails in ukraine, it's a defeat for the west in defeat, for nato. well that's i, i agree with that and i look forward to that because it will, this will come to an end. and then we'll have cooler head sitting down and say, let's have a say charity arrangement for the entire continent. would probably wouldn't need to be that all that much militarized, if you think about it. i thought last 30 seconds before we go to the break. young. i completely agree we live in a military's time. everybody is intoxicated with weapons of weapons, weapons as an answer to all kinds of problems. we should have done long ago that what was needed at the time. and gorbachev suggested it. and you security, start your bill on common security, defense, defense, combination of military and civilian defense, civilian companies. as lucian, the european, united nation, as or something like that. we did not do that, we had try out the list to clean, expanded mitchell and beyond risk. nature babies out 80 organization is expand. yep,

that's a got when you members both in it knows it's a, it's a, it's an alliance that exists to exist. gentlemen, i have to jump in here. we have to go to one hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on nato doubling down. stay with arte ah i am, my name is frank richardson, philadelphia got in the movement in age 13, going on 14 to we are violent towards those people because we believe that we're in a race. we're here 1st and this is our country being part of that movement. i got your sense of power. when i felt powerless, we got attention when i felt invisible and accepted when i talked to level life

after, hey, is an organization that was founded by for skinhead not see white supremacists in the u. s. in canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out. was 2 parts to getting out of a violent extreme was the 1st part of disengagement which is where you leave the social group. and then the next part is d. radicalization where belief systems audiology are removed. it was very impactful when someone finally came along with no fear, no judgement. you heard my story did nothing to challenge it validate with

ah, welcome back across stock where all things are considered on peter labelle to remind you we're discussing nato doubling down. ah. okay, let's go back to daniel lake jackson. i me of stilton burgess and he's, he's very pissy, i would say when he speaks, he and i know if you've noticed this kind of nato ease that he's always talking about. it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. a lot of it is circular reasoning. but this is what he had to say in bucharest, on his anniversary visit from 2008. he was there, he right, whom reminds us,

president putin cannot deny sovereign nations to make their own sovereign decisions . but i guess that doesn't apply to russia. thoughts, daniel, sovereign peoples, you know, y'all made a great point about nato's existence. it's only to expand. it's kind of like the sam bank mon freight of military alliance, isn't it? i was wondering who is going to come up with bad connection in this program? you were the 1st one, go keep going. you have to keep pulling in new suckers to keep, you know, surviving. and you know, i mean, nato is the home of failed scandinavian politicians. and that's the case. and when you let these people of the baltics in the scandinavians make your defense policy, you've got a big problem because you have a problem of moral hazard. the people in the poles as well, the people who have it in for russia are sucking everyone else into fighting their fight for them. and it's a huge, huge problem. nato should never expand that. a good friend of mine at the state department. the time was chief ins in charge of promoting nato expansion in the

ninety's. he sent me a note saying how much he regrets the role that he played in arguing for the expansion of nato to poland and hungary in the 1st round. and i think a lot of people are feeling that way, but nevertheless, the u. s. is going to train $2500.00 and cranium soldiers. we've heard now it's going to be a massive increase that's about like 3 days on the battlefield. exactly. when they let me let andre react to that here, because you know, when they talk about a 100000 rounds, are going to be sent in 1500 troops in the andre, in the scheme of things on a battlefield. what kind of numbers to this really mean? because it looks more like p r to me, i'm not a military person. and so it says $100000.00 rounds. maybe i'll be in press, your military person does that. you know, does that get you to your breakfast? go ahead on that. i yeah, day offs. parade being the one all the barrel right now. again,

i entirely agree most with this be more we for the problem solving, all the internal political problems bought the scale all down so to speak. 8 in reality is looking freezing is actually a decrease or because there's very little laugh to supply your brain with enough force. are you enough to coordinate mcgregor? i'd be more independent numbers. so i'd have to refer under here are russia has now about $540000.00 utils, along their borders of the former ukraine. and we can only guess for capitals wants the ground freezers. so hybrid boston brought all in congress troops come in bengal, making a difference more. charel. wow. now are seen, saw warner alliance. and she was on tuesday. she saw his ball,

the tools, at least she gave the pearl or are or order of there. are you pretty again, multis, boesky i a's am wounded with your deductible. go away from there. so we're looking at about a $405.00 or 500000. unfortunately, brain again, just with more than 100000 killed and another 3 before 400000 wounded. ah, yeah, that's pretty much you'd flaw real armed forces from your crane and wish out this kid back pulls something with the brain. young on a soldiers complaining that they've been thrown into their product line without any preparation. any song yet would love them for any $4500.00 or whatever. if you 200 are there. so now i don't know will they can rainbow all their floor. so it just, you know, run again a graft and money making as much as they can. yeah, i me,

yeah, this is one of the things, it's really kind of perplexing. if you look at it from a common sense point of view. we do, you know that in, in march there were maneuvers to, for some kind of a termination of the conflict in, in the est am bull. i take those reports very credibly and, but you have an elite that wants to continue the war. and i'm sorry, maybe i that it sound like a broken record, but it's about the griff that keeps the money coming in. everything is a fundraiser, like fundraising. take another farm. they take another village fund, raise fundraise, because they know the jig is going to be up eventually, and they just want to hear as much wealth as they possibly can. maybe, you know, it's selling stuff off on the black market, which there are credible reports of bad as well. i mean, it, i'm trying to understand the mindset of this elite here because it was, you know, using your own people as fodder on such a massive scale shows, at least there's a disconnect here. we know that it's

a one party state right now. there's no freedom of speech and the west. it sees this image of ukraine that doesn't even exist. so it seems like it's a real money making event here before you know the b b, they have to cross the rubicon and say, well, there's not much of grain left. go ahead young. well, i don't really know how much economy is driving this. what we're facing is all over the world, and in most countries of the world is one nuclear, isn't that he's part of something else. told me mac, the military, industrial media, academic complex. it's much more than eisenhower talked about the military industrial complex, and the least you talk about are characterized to whether in russia, whether in nature, whether in you, whether in, you know, any countries will be military. they are all conflict resolution and peace, illiterate was no. yeah, i do, i, i do have to push back

a little bit there. i don't think there's any indication russia wanted to have a military conflict in ukraine. if you look from 2014, particularly with the qu in, in kim russia born, that the very existence of ukraine was at hand. here. we have been december of last year to say almost exactly a year ago, warnings that if you do not change direction, we're gonna all be in trouble. so i do have to push back on that. okay. the military industrial complex as it existed, russia is nothing like it is in the united states. okay. because russia doesn't look for foreign wars. the u. s. does daniel react to that was very interesting. i was not saying that i will. i do so, but i'm saying there isn't parody on that one issue. that's all i'm saying. okay, daniel, go ahead. that's not what i said. i ok, i'm correcting myself. ok,

i didn't, i'm correcting myself. go ahead. i think you should my just did for the 2nd time. go ahead daniel. i'm just going to say, what's interesting is that when i met with these mothers of soldiers, recently he issued kind of a very rare self correction, which you don't often hear from you is a very confident leader. doesn't often in public say that he was wrong, but he admitted in so many words that he was wrong in 2014. yeah. when he decided to pull back into not accept the don bass into russia to not accept the please of the russians in the area to be freed of the torture that they had suffered from kiev all this time. and i think that was very telling, he understands he understood, and he said it out loud. that his reticence to enter into this military conflict at the time caused a lot of pain and suffering of the people in dawn best. and i think he must feel very acutely the, the pressure, the, the, the, the sense that,

that he's let people down. and i think that probably drives a lot of what he's doing right now. yeah, i mean, on today, one of the things that western audiences don't understand because they're so propagandized. but, you know, the eastern part of the dumbass, crimea, these are domestic political issues in russia. they're not foreign issues. ok. and, and there's that there is a very strong connection right there. and i agree with daniel, i mean, it's an interesting on the, there's an interesting juxtaposition here. nato can never admit that it's wrong. vladimir putin, it admitted that he was wrong on something 8 years ago. go ahead, andre. well, when you do you their own business with the fact that the iraqi gents actually are one which is a few months and now that you stayed somewhere, he was speaking from the human heart, michelle from das into it. for example, if you'll remember his musical douglas on or at that and the grocery store was

people, the invasion of a, the national paris in 1999 saw air. he's drinking this in our shop of what best fuel once speaking, in terms of there are a real situation in full 1014 rational wasn't already up to face. what would, how far now would there be and which, how far is she wasn't reading? and in this case, yes, it's both of me shocked that people come down better, but it wasn't human that mission as the states, man, i it worried that it is that windows dime and many a state of this, russia hasn't been already. if a 1015 it's popular is a different game now, and yeah, it's is a human emotion on his part and he is going to be a very emotional, an honest man, especially with speaking to them. august was better. and i mean, if nato doesn't change course, than what we're going to see is more conflict in this,

in this part of the world in the, on the european continent here. because it's very clear to me that the only way this conflicts ends isn't russia gets what it wants. it's about. it's black and white. to me, go ahead young one minute, you younger wellness, some mixture let's the mixture of the 2 things. the walk around the mile in some of the weapons on symptoms alonda lying conflicts. it's my 1st patient who goes to a doctor and say, i had a year, and the doctor only discusses the pain and doesn't go to a diagnosis to find out where this ain't come from. and unless all russia, you cry and nate o u n, et cetera, begin to start talking about weapons and war and be obsessed with that. then and go to the discussion of underlying conflicts. you can never saw the complete if you look at symptoms and weapons and the violence only, then that becomes the rest on that type of continuing this for years. but if you

want peace and that's my professor, you have to look at do a diagnosis of the underlying conflicts and then discuss who can be a mediator who could sit with wait with which tables, which issues to discuss how to eat sure, a little bit every day to watch something that or parties can live with. there is no future for europe, neither know east or west. if we continue focusing just on the, on that dynamics, it was that dynamics, the weapons and the militarist thinking that is in everybody's mind. okay, we've run out of time, but i don't think i can't think of a better way to end the program than onions. words, very, very wise words. this all the time we have many thanks them i guess in like jackson moon and in washington state. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at our dc you next time, remember across huffman with

ah, ah, i will never be a victory for russia. we shall see what we can actually newton, adam bush looking me up. crane war is a proxy war. this is a war between russia and the united states. as a mom on me to come to know, she kept them in, convoy merck before she was here. and you're not in your gauge in conflict with russian forces. american forces are here to defend nato allies with nato escalates even more than the special military operations become a war when you put them up. so that wasn't national and that notion is my thought, i see it. i see your to us. thank you. costliest. go to me live, so i you street you sure you can you stuff

with in your sewage near i see the girl who's with breaking news reports suggest the european union has tentatively agreed on setting a 60 dollar per barrel price cap on russian oil move warmly welcomed by washington . a warning disturbing images ahead. 3 people are killed after cubes. forces shall residential areas of done yet. local official say, nato supplied shells that were used in the attack. by jerry, as president raises the alarm, that weapons sent to crane are ending up in the hands of african militants or to speak to 2 concerns. citizens of nigeria.