means the world and i think at this point of time, we are witnessing the 2 meanings of these worth come together because the world is changing fast. the international system is more thing dramatically, both in economic and political terms, but it's still unclear what is it had of us. if i were to ask you to pick out the crystal ball and give us your forecast, what would you say to that? unfortunately, i'm not going to get this note in the sense that i don't see much of the situation missing even improving in the, in the, in the process when they do that because there are some issues in warranty, in terms of the will notice they're working in the international system, you know, there is an imposition of so called the rules based on the and i'll be 3 in

position since the war ended. and the system has been building up. and now it is, in my opinion, it is crystallized and the, those. it's really one countries, i think this is pretty all the international. well, we go more broadly. can i ask specifically about, let's say ange, because this is one of the countries that not only has a stake in this shaping your world, but it also has enough influence to, you know, be an influence or what do you think are some of the principles that are crucial for new delhi in terms of how this new great world is shaping out. what we see is the most important factor,

the or prime minister has said would be to be a small war. and that's 16 be some stuff. i ordered a fish in thinking we are living in an equal look. so number 2 in the definitely, he's feeling it was just one order number. see india as the number of bits. we'd already signify that in that stands for a democrat based on some call it multiple only cintrix. what about when they call it sincerely, it will be going small country can so their interests can have your voice in days that they're going to be very fast. but as

you make me with me, there is a commonality of interest with what is called the global. so that's what i think a concern that is closer to that was that didn't seem to be that is the reality. so you know, so i go on this line there. i saw that in the final point in their main concern is about development. you know, the country has made extraordinary achievements. and the last generation of 15 years in the problem of you know, i think other than china, no country that's the sort of experience we would not like to get this followed. but i do know and gather which is sustainable to the next 15 to 15 years. now i heard you say in another interview,

one of the ways that the west has been trying to adapt to the fast changing world is by setting um, or setting up organizations like g 20, which would show sort of there are more neil respect to the growing influence of the north west, but still keep the norm and the leadership of the west. let's put it diplomatically. do you think those efforts have been effective? you know, trying to show respect nominal, respect to others, but still preserving your own privilege. history shows that to interest us do not have the gifts, orlan totally and loan on and we should be expected to be. so that is the most important thing to keep in mind. so there's a lot of patience is required, a lot of factors is required. i completely agree with you that the politics behind

the creation of the 20 was actually it all of the stewards that the submission of the been existing order. because for the d 7 at the last, the last step is relevance. and b locus has shifted it from any further and so that it be 7. so then the grid of the 11th and this is bulk obama spring at that time. 2 in the context. also the financial crisis at that time in 2007 and need to bring on board the newly emerging countries also in brit giving greater legitimacy for the leadership. you mean right. the thing that on a ship was not meant to be shifting substantively. we want to remain, we think that was the thing that i'm that's this is ultimately one of the most

important questions for human development, both on an individual and in a national level. we all need authentic respect for our uniqueness. and that automatically leads to the question of power distribution, because if you truly respect diversity, you won't demand the exclusive right to decide what's best for everyone else. isn't the concept of what the leadership intrinsically. so promised this, you know, i, i don't think this is one of them. it's not a situation. i would like to be thinking in the sense that, you know, what you think, for example, the, some of the reform admissions. this is going to go to the, on this issue that you're having today. and you see how difficult it is when i sit established follows this sort of, you know, you know, look at the structure of the, i went back and looked at those 50 shadows can be

brought down on russia. you know, because you see all of the instruments are in the hands of one big one countries, but that's not the whole story. and you know, the process actually said the process is going to be extremely difficult, extremely difficult. and i'm not even in my life, you know, it's, that's actually the situation. i don't want to know the, i think, for example, united nations, properly and russia. russia has often pointed so based on that, we have to do some good columns and therefore be once a country's national interest, like india, use a many charlotte proposition today under the circumstances. now you,

you wrote recently that the united states is no longer willing or capable of shouldering this burden of leadership. and yet i think it wants to preserve the crown and sort of the, the privilege of the last word. because this is what the americans i used to, this is what they define and as their national interest, how far do you think they will be willing to go in defending that sort of been taught them both at the end of the presentation and in actual power terms because it's not only about whether or not, you know, countries have power or you know, permanency that the united nations, but also how much they can utilize that global trade or global policy to that aims . cbs limitations to be unquestionably. and these limitations are only going to most of in the, in the, in the, in the, in the near future. because we'd be fussing be this proportion the speaking

the, this is the unit for a lot. in other words, the unit for become in the united states. what is the problem is it is unable to with stock reality that's, that's some of the impulse we've on the possible and a kind of region required for solving any global problem. and people lose the space if i run and so on. your pete, the united states, started you know, showing in order to run to say no to talk about placement. so you say this is going to be the example in front of us also for the united states. do it today. and i think we are, what we are willing to know is agonizing the printer. it should be about that,

that's the united states is having station, because you want to get right to mentioning it all for, for, you know, we need to be some beats from this. this is thought that's the other end of the world that they have some shift is required in the american thinking in bio. and this is lawfully with regard to russia. all that was is also via thing she suffered. unfortunately, even we certainly do my, this is that is in europe, you know, the tendency to try and keep them amongst yes . in the alarm system. zola, opposite the same thing that seems to be, but this is transition. i didn't have period of transition. this is inevitable.

this will happen, you should expect. well, ambassador, we also have to take a very quick transition right now for a break, but we will be back in just a few moments station. ah ha. ah, ah. ah

. with mm. welcome back to wells appoint with m k, but a kumar, india for ma'am bassinger to cherokee and his back is done ambassador. before the break we were talking about, you know, the, the fact that the status quo, all western a dominated western centric world is no longer sustainable. and neither in

political norion, economic terms. but the united states is still trying to impose its will on other states. and i think the current relationship with russia is one example of that. i don't know if you would agree with my interpretation, but i think the russians were forced to launch a military operation in ukraine because they cannot because they cannot maintain that status while the united states and nader ever pushing towards their borders and russia. doing that at the very high cost itself, i'm in thousands of iris service men on the battlefield. many, i killed many of our ukrainian neighbors. i killed millions on display. so it's, it's a huge tragedy in both for us and for our neighbors. russia is doing that by and large by itself, with other countries watching from the sidelines. do you think though other

countries including india, have have a thick in what's going on in your brain? you see in the question of ukraine we are discussing today it is got many dimensions to distance. surely it is, it is, i think it's not both strategic balance. and when you look at it from that perspective, you will find that that is going to be a limited role only for countries like india, even for the closest that ice to be in this. this is the ultimate metal stone. the something between us and we have to understand what a beginning unfolding in february to see he's only recommendation of certain things that we want for the kids to my my and i was posted in

moscow at the time of the finally as the shows and was witness to that, you know, be so lapse and the end of the call, or we look differently as in the united states as we are in fact that clearly i'm just thinking of russia russian history. you know, that's out of the region by the middle of the 1990 united states already started discussing about working on fishing out the ideal fashion. so what was it all about? me see that clearly it was being sent in motion from beth a more and for him you see what the alternate it was a bit you know,

and i don't think the russian mission will ever accept is subordinate because you see it's an issue with with it it's kind of national defense, which by the organization of i session of the green by the united states, which began incidentally, peoples and for the 1st edition their game began. you know, so this is something which, you know, is part of the same thing. that's the uniform and the ceiling of so many things that you asked to change on the united states. that is, what is the state? so what does that other countries can? they cannot do anything about this. this is the situation, but today, you know,

my next question may come across as a little bit strange, but i think it's highly relevant to our discussion because i was reading the other day about the efforts of some asian and they ask for us to restore the positive symbolism of the swastika, they millennia old symbol that's used in hindu isn't in buddhism. angina is in many other indigenous communities around the world that came to represent peace and good fortune, that at least 50000 years old. and yet, if use as positive news is banned in the west, sometimes discourse sometimes have been punished and yet in, in the west, in western ukraine and sometimes in eastern ukraine. the use of nasa insignia with direct appeals to hitler hacking cro. it's is not just tolerated, but you know, for everybody to see how do you explain the fact that, you know, this symbol in its cognitive sense is all but abolished. but in a negative sense,

is more than tolerated in the, in the, in philosophy is prevalent will ends even today as nothing to do with the ideal of the, this was really right about that. but, you know, we'll be looking at like in this position to be would be nasty, didn't begin recently. it was there, even in the $92030.00. we know that isn't it, it be american companies working with looking for the rebuilding of the germany and the mutually beneficial leasing ship that existing at that day. and the kind of soft approach towards the face of this idea in europe at that time. so this is

a combination of different because they looked at it kind of the most to potentially be in and be ideal. there's somebody to me and it's founded at that point in time. and of course, it is entirely also me that the, the only so reason in was something which was, you know, we all lived in the rest and thinking they didn't find anything you know, to be seen and lead to the history. so you see, this is kind of that in with the re, hugh and i find, you know, you not the case with the americans and therefore it's very much

damage even the germans, you know, and if i'm of the 24 being my don't go with security you didn't go with these with this stuff, you know, in care. but, and that's what are you, i'm sure, well know, from instance, we'll also hear from indian philosophy. and there is a notion that all things sooner or later come to the exact opposite end. we have had these examples geopolitically in ghana started with the american support of the talent by the way, turned into a tragedy on america's own soil. do you think that kind of deal in this with very unseemly forces? do you think sooner or later they will come as in a form of doing their rank to their supporters? i think so because you see the point, this is the western meadows,

if we miss the one because they control the information. and you know, since this is going on, you know, in the world, but i think for anyone objectively viewing the situation and then we be region, ukraine, russia and the flow history and all that taken into account what they really can. so doing this for the war has no future and anything, not even, you know, the strength also to find it. so if they want boost be seen incrementally and they want to warm beyond their capabilities, the outcome of it, he's not going to difficult any for any internet, you know. so i certainly really optimistic that it can be turned around and i think it is being done is i see that sees this beginning as somebody who

represented the engine diplomatically, i'm sure you have the greatest respect for your profession. and one of the things that really disheartened me at this time around is that in there is not only very little diplomatic negotiations between the, the russians and the americans. but even, you know, the basic attic had the basic show respect. the diplomats were traditionally show not only to each other but also to that professional field, something like that is no longer required but not tolerate that it seems that a show of disrespect very public, very punishing, disrespect is something that is that venue order of the day how do you see the future of diplomacy in the, in the day in age when it's pretty accepted to be rude to one another. i mean the, on the diplomatic level lately, i thought about this,

this christian doesn't come. it's strange to me. but you know, i had to think on this basically this is there one or phenomena. and this is a byproduct of the situation that developed in europe, in the past one jeans and the american social again. and the strongest supporters of america, yuki and so on. also have an extra grains in locking the process of implementing interaction. because what goes, what does that mean? challenge one of the main challenges is may the united states with the fact that in the west or there's conversations began to developing between moscow and western capital. and with the, i know for us, i know that there was a profound relationship with germany. for example, you know, we'd be busy,

you know, we, austria, and so on. so you see the point is a, is on back than normal diplomatic. could you send all this work in this to russia, rapids and blocking that is when necessary, because it's not only that, you know that the conversation is being locked. it is also a behavior like what, what the medic property. so the russian federation in the united states, no, you have any justification for it, the why, you know, we mentioned. so all of this is done with the book but, and, but at the same time, ultimately in the final lenses when the content on the single face of europe in politics. when conversations up to begin speaking at all countries with me in international,

we're going to do from russia with austria, you know, so you see this conversations, i don't think that this is going to be the feature in the international system. well, let's keep our fingers crossed on that while the western diplomatic track is blocked, at least for russia, diplomacy is clearly developing and flourishing on the eastern front. and i'm sure you would agree with me that the latest summits of breaks on the shanghai corporation organization, which features pretty impressive attendance from many have those they demonstrate that there is at least a nominal interest in kick, starting regional development. do you think it's just rhetoric at this point or do you think be they have of those states finally, ready to overcome the disagreements for, for the sake of common good, incremental thoughts?

it will reverse this term, but i think it is also an inexhaustible process because you see the what you have not been she what you are really a matter of these also that this is the so the local motives, the girls are they want me to be patient, so you say that based automatically in new dynamics in this situation, you see, so you know, a begun thing. that means with a lot of obstacles. i mentioned about the un reform. so, but the kind of a regional corporation is possible invasion continent. he's also being of, you know, look at what the united states is done to it is actually an organization which is the biggest champion on the international. and it was a more organization. that's way you know. but you know,

the attempt to take away certain members on entering just, you know, obviously politics all on a dish and we didn't bet. so it's not beth and ingredient. everything is far from it. you know, and my country, in my opinion, india ought to lead in different growth because they're looking standing and india me the door. i don't know possibly, but the time being we have to stop here. thank you very much for being with us. thank you. of us and thank you for watching. i hope to hear again on worlds apart. ah with

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. mm hm. is the aggression today, i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing up in job, which of the problem was the cosigner as you speak on the bill in your senior? mostly mind the we're, we're sure we're banding all in ports of russian oil and gas news you. i know they plenty of those with joe biden, imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's

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