all life easy is very important, and coincidentally, that sounds crazy. it also means the world. and i think at this point of time, we are witnessing the 2 meanings alpha. this worth come together because their world is changing fast. the international system is more thing dramatically both in economic and political terms, but it's still unclear what is a had of us if i were to ask you to take out the crystal ball and give us your forecast. what would you say to that? unfortunately, i was a negative note in the sense that i don't see much of your situation or resting or even improving the if you have to. so in this process will accelerate or because there are some fundamental issues in warranty or in terms of the world order they're working in the international system. you know,

there's a whole new rules based order, an arbitrary position since the cold war ended. and the resistance has been building up and now it is, in my opinion, it is crystallized and the those, it's totally welcome countries. i think mr. this is pretty all over the world nationally where we go more broadly. can i ask specifically about, let's say india, because this is one of the countries that not only has a stake in the shaping well, but it also has enough influence to, you know, be, and in class or what, what do you think are some of the principles that are crucial for new delhi in terms of how this new great world is shaping out. we see

he's, he's the most important factor. the minister has said repeatedly that it's a small war. and that's 60 some stuff. the decision in thinking we are living in an equal. so number 2, definitely he's feeling it was just one order number. see india as a member of it already signifies that in that stands for a democrat based on some call it multiple editing only century one. when we call it sincerely, it will begin small countries can. so their interests can

have your voice in days that they're going to be very fast. but as you make me with me, there is a commonality of interest with what is called the global. so that's what i think that is it is closer to that was, that didn't seem to be that is the reality. so, you know, so i go on lying and there i saw that in the final point in their main concern is about development. you know, the country has made the extraordinary achievements of the last generation of 15 years been checking the problem of, you know, i think other than china, no country has sort of experience. we would not like to get in this fall. but i know and gather which is sustainable to the next 15 to

15 years. now i heard you say in another interview, one of the ways that the west has been trying to adapt to the fast changing world is by setting number setting up organizations like g 20, which would show sort of there are more neil of respect to the growing influence of the north west, but still keep norman the leadership of the west. let's put it diplomatically. do you think those afterwards have been effective? you know, trying to show respect, nominate respect to others, but still preserving your own privilege. history shows that interest hours do not be kept all internally and long and we should be expected to be. so that is the most important thing to keep

in mind. so there's a lot of patience. is it quite a lot of factors require? i completely agree with you that the politics behind the creation of d 20 was actually all of the stewards, the dissemination of the been existing. all of it is going to be a d 7 at the last. the last step is relevance and the locus shifted it from any further inside that it be 7. so then the grid date of the 711. and this is buck obama spring at that time to in the context and also the financial crisis at that time in 2007 and need to bring on board the newly emerging countries also in grid, giving greater legitimacy for the leadership meeting, right. the thing that are on the ship was not meant to be shifting substantively with what remained. we think that was the

thing, but i'm back. no, this is ultimately one of the most important questions for human development, both on an individual and in a national level. we all need authentic respect for our uniqueness automatically leads to the question of power distribution. because if you truly respect diversity, you won't demand the exclusive right to decide what's best for everyone else. isn't the concept of what the leadership intrinsically. so promise this, you know, i, i don't think this is one situation that's kind, i would be thinking that the sense that, you know, what you say, for example, the, some of the reform admissions. this is going to go to the, on this issue that having to be and you see how difficult it is. you know, when i said, established follows this sort of, you know, you know,

look at the structure of the, i went back and look at those 50 shadows can be brought down on russia. you know, because you see all of the instruments in the hands of one big one, but that's not the whole story and it will be the process actually said the process is going to be extremely difficult, extremely difficult and i'm not well for that. if it's, even in my lifetime, you know, it's, that's actually the situation. i don't want to know the, i think, for example, united nations properly and russian. russia has often pointed to some of those. so based on that, we have to do, you can call me at once, but don't think countries national interests like india. he's

a startling proposition today under the circumstances. now you, you wrote recently that the united states is no longer willing, are capable of shouldering these burden of leadership. and yet i think it wants to preserve the crown and sort of the, the privilege of the last war. because this is what the americans i used to, this is what they define and as their national interest, how far do you think they will be willing to go in defending that sort of entitlement, both the u. s. representation and in actual power terms, because it's not only about whether or not the, you know, countries have power or you know, a prominent see that the united nations, but also how much they can utilize the global trade or global policy to that aims. cbs limitations, unquestionably. and this, these limitations are only going to most of, in the, in the, in the, in the,

in the near future. because we'd be fussing b, this proportion, the speaking be, this is the unit. in other words, the unit for the united states. what is the problem is it is unable to this with this stock reality that's, that's some of the, imposed to we on the community is possible and it's kind of where the required for solving any global problem and people lose the space and so on. your pete, the united states, started showing in the branch could say no to talk about placement. so you say this is instance, they didn't give me the example in front of us how it is not possible for the united states do it today. and i think we are,

what we are wanting to know is agonizing the city about that. that's to say that the united states is having station because you're getting right and mentioning that it also, you know, we need to get some beats from this. this is thought that's the other end of the world that they have some shift is required in the american thinking in bio and this is sort of got to russia all that was is also via thing she suffered. unfortunately, even my, this is that you know the minute and keep them amongst in the alarm system. zola offer that the same thing that

this is francis. i didn't have enough transition. this is inevitable. this will happen. you should expect. while ambassador, we also have to take a very quick transition right now for a break, but we will be back in just a few moments station. ah ha. ah

ah ah ah welcome back to was of course yes m k but a camara, india for my master's cherokee and as back is done ambassador before the break we were talking about you know that the fact that the status quo all western a domain name that western center world is no longer sustainable and neither in

political, norion, economic terms, but the united states is still trying to impose its will on other states. and i think the current, the relationship with russia is one example of that. i don't know if you would agree with my interpretation, but i think the russians were forced to launch and military operations in ukraine because they cannot because they cannot maintain that status while the united states and nader ever pushing towards their borders and russia is doing that at the very high cost to itself, i'm in thousands of virus service men on the battlefield mania. i killed many of our ukrainian neighbors. i killed millions on display. so it's, it's a huge tragedy both for us and for our neighbors. and russia is doing that by and large by itself, with other countries watching from the sidelines. gee thing though, other countries including india, have

a stake in what's going on in your brain. you see, and we are sure. no, you agree we are discussing to be it just got with strips. interesting. surely it is. it is, i think, you know, those don't both strategic balance. and when you look at it from that perspective, you will find that that is going to be a limited role only for countries like india, even for the united states is going to be in this. this is ultimately metal stone to something between us and we have to understand what a beginning unfolding in february to see he's only combination of the 2nd thing. we want free tickets to my my and i was posted in moscow at the

time of the finally at the shows and was witness to that be. so if you will lapse and the end of the call. busy or we looked at it as in the united states as we are in prospect that clearly i'm just thinking of russia russian history. you know, that's all we generate by the middle of the 1990 united states already started discussing about working on pushing out the idea of fashion. so what was it all about? me see that really if process was being sent in motion from beth a morning and for him to do what? the alternate, the what the you know, and i don't think the russian mission will ever accept is subordinate because

it's an issue with, with a huge heritage of national defense. which by the organization of i of the green by the united states, which began incidentally, people some for the 1st reducing their income and they began, you know, so this is something which, you know, it's a lot of the same thing. that's the uniform and the feeling of so many things was that you asked to change on the united states. that was one of the state. so what does that other countries can? they cannot do anything about this situation. but today, you know, my next question may come across as a little bit strange,

but i think it's highly relevant to our discussion because i was reading the other day about the effort of some asian data for us to restore the positive symbolism of the swastika. they millennia old symbol that's used in hindus and buddhism in chinese men, in many other indigenous communities around the world that came to represent peace and good fortune that leave 15000 years old. and yet, if use as positive news is banned in the west. sometimes discourse sometimes have been punished and yet in, in the west, in western ukraine and sometimes in eastern ukraine. the use of not to insignia with direct appeals to keep lar, hacking crowds is not just tolerated. but you know, for everybody to see how do you explain the fact that, you know, the symbol in its causative sense is all but abolished. but in a negative sense,

is more than tolerated in the, in the, in philosophy is prevalent will ends even today as nothing to do with the next, the ideal of the, this was really like about that. but you know, we'll be looking at like seeing this proposition to be talking with the nazis didn't begin recently. it was there, even in the $92013.00. we know that isn't it, in the american companies working with looking for the rebuilding of nazi germany and the mutually beneficial please ensure that existing at that day and the kind of soft approach towards the base of is ideology in europe at that time. so continuing that because they looked at it kind of

the most to potentially be it can be and the idea that there's somebody to me and it's on that at that point in time. and just of course, it is entirely also me that the, the only reason in rosa something which was that, you know, we all lived in the western thinking. they didn't find anything you know, to be seen and need to know the history. so you see, this is kind of that and we did not receive you and i find, you know, you not the case with the americans. and so therefore, it's very much even the germans, you know,

thank you for being my done go with you didn't go with these with this stuff, you know, in care. but, and that's what it is you, i'm sure. well know, from instance a loss of him from indian philosophy. there is a notion that old thing sooner or later come to the exact opposite. and we have had these example joe politically in ghana started with the american support of the talent by the way, turned into a tragedy on america's own soil. do you think that kind of dealing with this, with very unseemly forces, do you think sooner or later they will come as in the form of the rank to their supporters? i think so because you see the point, there's 2 is the western managers we've missed the one because

they control the information and you know the food since this is going on, you know, in the world. but i think for anyone to be reading the situation and then we'd be region ukraine, russia and the flow history and all that taken into account. what they said doing this for the war has no use and anything not even you know, of the strength also to find it. so it was being seen incrementally and they wanted to warm beyond the ability to outcome effect. he's not that difficult of any or any anything you know. so i certainly really optimistic that it can be turned on, and i think it's being done on that basis beginning as somebody who

represented the engine diplomatically, i'm sure you have the greatest respect for your profession. and one of the things that really disheartened me at this time around is that in there is not only very little diplomatic negotiations between the, the russians and the americans. but even, you know, the basic african, the basic show respect. the diplomats were traditionally show not only to each other but also to that professional field, something like that is no longer required but not tolerate that it seems that a show of disrespect very public, very punishing, disrespect is something that is that have been you order of the day, how do you see the future of diplomacy in, in this day and age one? it's pretty accepted to be rude to one another. i mean, on a diplomatic level, at least for them not. this is christian doesn't come with these things to me. but you know, i have this basically this is their one year or and this is

a byproduct of the situation that developed in europe in the past one a chines and the american social again. and the strongest supporters of america, yuki and so on. also have an extra grains in blocking the process of implementing interaction. because what goes, what was the main challenge? one of the main challenges in the united states was the fact that in the post world war, this conversations began to developing between moscow and western capital. and i know for us, i know that there was a profound relationship with germany. for example, you know, we'd be really, you know, been austria and so on. so you've seen the point, there's a,

it's on back to normal diplomatic, good to see. and all this work in russia, rapids and blocking that is weird because it's not only that, you know, that the conversation is being locked. it is also the behavior like what, what are the properties of the russian federation in the united states? no, you have any justification for it the why of, you know, we are now mentions. so all of this is done with the book, but, and, but at the same time, ultimately the find the lenses when the content from the longest be think of, sees of europe in politics. when conversations up to begin speaking, we said all countries with me in international we're going to do songs, russia, whether it is austria, you know,

so you see this conversation. i don't think that this is going to be the feature in the international system. well, let's keep our fingers crossed on that while the western diplomatic track is blocked, at least for russia. diplomacy is clearly developing and flourishing on the eastern front. and i'm sure you would agree with me that the latest summits of breaks or the high corporation organization, which features, pretty impressive attendance from many have those they demonstrate that there is at least a nominal interest in kick, starting regional development. do you think it's just rhetoric at this point or do you think the they have of those states? i find that we're ready to overcome the disagreements for, for the sake of common goods income and it will give us this number. but i think it is also anything sort of

a process because you see the what you have not been she, what you are really matter of these also that this is the so the local motives of growth are they want me to be patient? yeah. so you say that base automatically in new dynamics in this situation. you see. so you know, a began saying that that means a lot of obstacles. i mentioned about the u. n. reform. so, but the kind of a regional corporation is possible invasion continent. please also be more, you know, look at what the united states is done to it is actually does it organization, which is the biggest jen, be enough. politics on the international. it is a more organization that's way you know. but so, you know, the, me,

i get certain members are entering just, you know, obviously one of the holidays ish and we didn't bet it's not death in the isn't bring in. everything is far from it. you know, and my country in my opinion, india ought to lead in different growth, you know, because booking standing and india made it possible for the time being we're up to stop here. thank you very much for being with us. thank you and thank you for watching. i hope to hear again on worlds apart . ah with blue

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