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about our personal intelligence and the point obviously is to rate trust rather than fear. so we'd like to take on various job with artificial intelligence. real summoning with a robot must protect its own existence with hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things we considered? i'm peter lavelle, by joining washington's ukraine proxy war against russia. europe is made an

irreversible choice. it is consigned itself to being a minor regional power in a multiple world. cutting itself up from russia. europe has all but assured it will be overly dependent on the united states. that dependency will be costly. the, the cross walking europe's choice. i'm joined by my guess. i see the post goes in london. he is professor of international relations at the university of east london as well as editor of the journal of balkan and near eastern studies in north florida. we have tom one go, he's publisher of gold, goats and guns, blog, and newsletter, and in prague we have brad blankenship. he's a com. this is c g t n, a freelance reporter she was as well as an r t contributor or a gentleman cross girls in effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated tom, let me go to you 1st in north florida. did i overstate my introduction that europe is consigning itself to be a regional minor regional power in a multi polar world?

it's getting pretty bleak for the european future. i would say your thoughts, tom? yeah, i would agree with you on that peter. the, the issue for europe is that it's very clear that the, that russia is done with them and that's a bigger issue. now, knowing that this, this oil price cap is gone into place. the, the funny part now is that, you know, the headlines are all being written that russia is going to have to cut production and this is going to hurt their money. they're, they're the bottom line above all by. and it's always framed in terms of how bad it is for russia, but nobody actually talks about whether food has actually game plan for this, whether it has now a strategic move. as far as i'm concerned, after the, the recent drawn strikes inside russia. we're looking at the de facto start for a major kinetic war and if i'm prudent, i'm not selling oil under any circumstances to my enemies. okay,

let's see. let's say in london, basically the same question here because i like how what, what tom said in the beginning of his answer is that, you know, the, the, the russians have had it with the europeans. ok. but obviously in western media, it's always framed in a very the opposite way here. really? tom's absolutely. right. i mean, they need reliable partners. europe has shown itself to be unreliable, particularly in energy. we had former chance to merkel come out and basically say, yeah, the min scope processes were just deploy, they're showing their hand, they're showing their, i'm sorry, they're really gross this on it's dishonesty. the russians are done with them. ok, now the euro pass to pay the price. go ahead in london. yes, thank. i don't disagree with what i heard, especially if you're into pieces of those who are what tom says, what i would like just give. thank you for talking. all that in the discussion with that in the triangle between us, europe and russia, it has really ever been viewed open,

independent political actor in global affairs. i doubt it was always dependent on the united states title in even the production of the year was pretty much a project encouraged by the united states. so this, of course, because relationship between 0 and the united states, very strong ally in the sense of the world and been so what are the direct invest in this is always been solved. but on all united states, those exactly united states was always the bill will sticks. hello russia from that project. i mentioned the 2nd since the end of the, of the 2nd world war that was the united space project with russia from european past. so that this is, my knowledge is correct. i think that russia despise the prize. stop by we can

start late, already won in russia. she never stopped talking to europe. never. that's my, that's my mind, my understanding of jason in particular now in the mean a period in which globalization since, as we know it seems to be at the end or after 9. we need to fax re sila, you know, in this war you're getting way ahead of me. it's on my checklist of questions, right? you're going to get great minds think alike. ok. brad. basically the same question, but you know, brad, because he says that, you know, russian needs to keep talking to europe. but i mean, if europe wants to control the conversation, what is the point of having a conversation? ok. i mean, it has to be a 2 way street. it's not that way. right now. i don't see. it's going to be that way for a very, very long time. go ahead brad. you know,

i can see that that's true because, you know, i think that there is, there is this kind of been a desire from people within europe to be politically autonomy, even though their entire political system to the you. it's been the holden to the united states, but at the same time, the politicians here lack the courage to stand up to washington even though they know that washington is undermining their interests. but ironically, the same time, these politicians, these pro, you pro western politicians that are putting your down this path. they don't really have any leverage here. i mean, there's kind of this running joke now in europe that we're going to be, you know, like a summer holiday destination for the chinese in the americans. because of the industry here is going to be completely got it. and without cheap russian energy industry in, in central europe in germany is completely screwed. i mean, you know, when, when you look at central banks all over the world use energy, you use energy usage as the primary predictor of economic growth. and we've seen

that that, that the demand for energy has gone down. and the same time you politicians are saying, this is a positive thing that we're, you know, building up our gas supplies, in case russia hall, the flow of energy to euro. but that's a bad thing. that means that economic growth here is going to go down. that means we're going to be in a recession for years, if not decades, potentially without, you know, cheap brush energy that we can use for industry here. and i don't see that these politicians have any leverage, and i think that this is going to usher in just the industrialization of europe as a result. well, again, you have great minds think alike. that was gonna be my question for tom, is this, is this a, an intentional plan to de, industrialized europe on the part of the americans? tom, i don't think it's the americans solely. that's doing this. this is the, this is the great heresy. on my part, i'm sorry, as an american, i see the old colonial hand of europe desperately trying to hold sway over the way they run. they use us as the tip of the spear i,

i really think that this whole thing is ideologically driven. i the europeans, they're the ones out there screaming about european values and democracy. we have to save democracy, but destroying it and all the rest of the day. if you look at people like bonder lay and michelle and barrel, and the rest of them, they're all ideologues for this thing in the americans are simply their cynical ground troops and i, and that's the way i see this. and i, and it's almost impossible to get me off at this point despite that, it's very important that we stop just framing all of this is all work. it's the evil americans pushing it was, i mean little, it's, i guess for it's 14 was absolutely, i tell you this is important in europe is absolutely. um they're, they're lock step with the european with this. they want this war as much as everybody else. okay. when who blew up the pipelines, then the sealants. okay. i mean, obviously the us benefited greatly from that at the cause. sure. germans in the

cost of europeans would a lot. and let me, let me go to our get. let me go to my guessing line is in the hang on hang! harmons were tom calvin again. the germans went along with him because the german green he wants to do a when they go to my guest in london. basil is what do you think about that? because it gave the americans enormous leverage by having those having those pipelines blow up, go ahead in london to actually move area. we know this world to the united states because it increases on your blog completely germany from, from, from russia and oil and gas as well. by the same time, the united states can protections from integration and subsidizes. it's called making its competence more competitive. witness day 430000000000 on the face and reduction. i mean, united states is very much a consensus actually always was to disengage

european energy policy from from rash circle every year by the expense, which is not even enough. that's why, but why russian government continue continue to be although they kept it now, they want to cut the price out, but even this is not, not, i don't want to discuss this later on. and russia has many alternatives that, but my nice point, i think he should be taking a board. why? because it depends on what kind of solution we want on here for that. what do you want an american solution? what do you want a solution which is marked by the found by europeans and russians and chinese, you want a european radio solution or in america so. so that's the key question. right? that's a very interesting question. we'd like to feel that go ahead. yeah, i mean, you know, i think that we, you know, the question of whether or not the europeans or the americans or whoever is running

to show it for sure. the americans, i mean, you know, that's definitely true that the europeans, i mean that america is definitely a product of the colonialists mean peerless mediocrities that emerge in europe. better indigenous this continent here. but the united spaces is the crystallization of bad. i mean, like the nazis said that the greatest moment in the history of white power is the creation of the united states of america. everything that is wicked about the west is, is, is ramping in washington. and the solution that they're putting forward is, is everything that's evil and dastardly about the west, that's the solution that putting forward it's domination in joe biden, gives a speech a t. m. see the new headquarters as being an added states and says that we're putting out american products. this is not just a signal to the chinese, you know, that there is a trade war against china. this is also talking about south korea that's talking

about japan. this is talking about europe, especially, you know, that the industrialization of europe will benefit america with, as the other guests mentioned the, the inflation act. yeah. you know, the united states is setting themselves up to benefit greatly from the industrialization europe and the death. that's going to come on this continent here, even though supposedly we're lock step, supposedly we are equal partners with the americans. but that's not true. well, i mean, i saw one site and trying on guy usa gone guys, i have to go to a break gentlemen. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on europe. joy stay with the ah

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or are you being that some with direct? what is true? what is great? in the world corrupted, you need to descend a join us in the depth will remain in the shallows. ah, ah, welcome back to cross top where all things are considered on peter labelle to remind you we're discussing europe's choice with hey, let's go back to tom and north florida. it's already been brought up in this program . i think it's really worth talking about more is a we experiencing the end of globalization as we've understood it for the last half

century. because it seems to me that with this damn bit that the u. s. is a playing visa v. russia and using the proxy war in kit in ukraine is that the us wants to go on its own controlled globalization, which europe would be part of, and they'll be other globalization of china we can talk about as well. it seems to me that there is a parting of the waters as it were. go ahead. tom and north florida. i agree with all that. i also think, oh, most of it i what i really think is going on here, don't get me wrong. i'm not trying to absolve the americans for their part in what's happening out here. it's clear that that's what's going on. i just don't want anybody to, to think that europe didn't make a conscious choice here. that these, that the perceived weakness of european leaders is as being subordinate, are vassals to the eyes. it's, it's just nonsense. it doesn't, it's not real. so when you look at what's happening, but i think is happening is very clearly that there are forces within the united states or that are working to try and save what's left of what's been,

how it out over here. while others are still trying to sell it out, i think the by the administration is trying to sell it out. i think we're, we've seen a pushed by the federal reserve in the near sand, new york money center banks in order to stop that process. really somewhat and we see with the end of globalization, with the clear end of the dollar reserve standard on the horizon, there is a breaking of the system and europe is going to be left in the dust and it's in geo politics. arono allies are only interest and as far as i'm concerned, you install a fungus like biden, for the purposes of doing, of tax normalization with europe to your ruinous tax policy. energy policy that's in st. lockstep with cop 27 and all that stuff. like at the end of the day, i don't see the biden administration is working for the united states. and i think this is part of the, the real disconnect here. and that's the issue for me and the, and i see all of these, these, these things happening. i don't disagree with that, but the yes, on the big trend,

i just don't think that the americans are the soul evil here. i think that's a very, that's a very dangerous narrative and letting the europeans off the hook for your complicity in this, they want to do this. the destruction, the middle class in europe is not a bug. it's not a bug created by the americans. it's a feature of what, what europe wants to do to transform itself into the next version of the ussr because that's what the e was becoming. well, i mean, democratic poet, bureau ed, i know, but absolutely, i absolutely agree with that here. but one thing if i go back to our guests in london, i mean there's one commonality here and we know who, who is a top of the totem pole. we can all discuss that until are all blue in the face. but they do have one thing in common is ideology. they're all ideologically possessed. is neal liberal ideology? that is one thing that they all have in common here. and it's disastrous for middle class is all across the western world. go ahead in london. ok. yes i, i, i can't say i disagree with who are the head,

but it's ancient. it's important that we get our priorities right. who raised the dominant power today in the global system, in the west european union or the united. so you're looking, it doesn't look even qualify for the call. the state is not, doesn't have federal sector, has some some primitive. busy federal structures, but it doesn't have a few, some unity, there is no even a union of the banking sector after the massive or biking crisis. we had to the years in crisis. so you'll be in unit can be very well defined, us an international organization or should be more tight on the, on the united nations are. so we don't, we don't deal here with unified actor. that should be taken away. that's so crucial . it is so so crucial to understand that nathan, institutionalized, the dependency of europe for the united states, the boys hear their voice. the peons have is pretty much

a boy's of the elite of european businesses that is with the lips of the united states business interests and also taking it back on security security medicines. so do not be surprised if i tell you that so many splits that are within the european parliament, european commission. and so, and there is no one bonds. that's why i keep, say, keep talking to your peers. if you don't want to play the u. s. game of excluding russia from european affairs, russia should not be excluding from your well. ok, but, but let's see, let's say, you know, who is excluding home here in europe. it is excluding russia. ok. not the other way around. ok. well, i and, and, and it came to a finer point here. as you've already said, this program, russian energy is still going to europe. ok. they didn't cut it off. it's a europeans that are cutting off russian energy. let me go to brian. he may go to brad in prague here. you know, one of the things that we're hearing is that the,

the, the americans want the, the europeans to go along with their policies against china. that's not going to go down very well in europe. brad. yeah, actually i just wrote a piece about this and in fact, you know, you bind people, i just, the bro even have the courage to say that european countries don't want to have to choose between beijing and washington. and that's because it's just in their plain self interest. i mean, but it being the china has a lot to offer the european union trying to consumer market within the next decade will be bigger than the united states. and they are hungry for european goods. i mean, as long as those guys are cheap and not, you know, completely screwed on price because irrational energy is not accessible to the market of course. but, you know, there's, there's a lot of fruitful cooperation there. and i think there's a lot of nato allies not locked up on this. i think i would like to come in with the other guess. i think we also definitely have to be very crystal clear that

europe is budding out russia, but that is to be, has to be american. i mean, they have tens of thousands of troops here. they spy on european politicians. these are demonstrated will fax me notice you, can you walk out your door here in europe and you see it, they are colonizing europe. call europe is a vassal state. the united states be you, it's not a country. this is disjointed. countries that are being forced against each other. and just as you know, the globalization has created a natural relationship between russia and the you integrating both of these economies. i think that there is a natural relationship between the russian people and people in europe. here, there is a natural political relationship just as globalization has been fruitful for both sides in russian energy creating europe's industrial base. i believe that the russian people are inextricably connected to people here in europe, not least because they are european of course, you know, i think that we have to be clear that it's washington doing this. and i think that

russia should continue to engage in europe because russia needs to be a political actor in europe. and that's also because the united it part of its grand strategy is the forces to compete with china by pushing it out of europe, forcing it to be an asian power enforcing china and russia to compete against each other. perhaps, you know, breaking their strategic cooperation, which would be detrimental to the world. the strategic cooperation between russian, china is so important in keeping this multi pearl polar world, emerging multiple world order together, one that is against american hedge money. and that is so important. okay, tom. yeah, i saw you nodding your head there you are in agreement. go ahead tom. i agree that i agree that russia and china need to be, than they need the same walks up with one another and, and in no way that nathan bry jacell tells me that, that, that's not going to happen. what they just like moved to strategic palmer's across

to, to each other's air basis. for i say nothing. the u. s. is doing is stopping it. they're trying desperately to drive a wedge. that's what policy going to taiwan was of as what the chips act was about . and i get that, but understand that you listen, sitting in prague, you cannot see what's happening here in the united states, which is our institutions are being destroyed from within, from foreign powers. and it's very obvious, none of these people work for the united states. they are all trying to normalize our or even make worse, our ability to handle capital and make it handle capital worse than they already handle it in europe. ok, because capital flows were capital was treated best. and right now, it's still treated best by the united states. 21 percent corporate tax rate versus a 20 percent 26 percent france they want, but buying wants to raise it to $28.00. now, why would he want to do that if he's actually acting in the american or american interest? he's not. ok, none of this is about keeping the right nice states alive. this is about this, this is, am i literally breaking up the and i sits in too many people are actually going to

tear this and this is go and this is a bad idea. not that i'm a huge fan of the united states in any way, manner, shape or form. but all of these things are being driven, as peter mentioned, as by ideologically possessed, people who believe that we can move to a different type of system. ok, and it's not necessarily just the americans driving this. there are it is that it is at the end of the day whether we are going to have public formation of half public capital formation or private capital formation. and there are forces within the u. s. it's still believe in private capital formation, and the people at the top of our political system are aligned with europe that we need to have public capital formation. the end of sent the, the end of commercial banking, the end of all of that stuff. and this is all the sub text of what's going on with the, with the, the situation in ukraine and how it's being handled. but the don't kid yourself in any way, manner, shape or form. this is about the destruction of the united states. and everybody thinks that will be a great thing. i got news for you at the united states falls apart in the worst way imaginable. no one is going to be happy about the results. nobody. well, there was

a european not any. well. ok, because of that, you think that you do you think the end of the ussr was, was ugly. you just wait to see what happens. dad says, well, if it goes down it's going to take a good part of the world with it. there's no doubt about that. ok. but he lives in london. can the european union survive? because you know what, you know, people talk about getting through this winter. okay. they're going to get through this winter. it will be uncomfortable, but they will. but what about the next 5 winters? that's where the real challenges go ahead in london. either i can predict the future. it will be tough for everybody. again, you have to realize, i think the people a few of understand what is wrong. so a rationalization go back to normal as it were, i thought it was, it was in the interest of germany to go up to 5. i think it was an increase of united states. the pipeline is a northern seam and so on. there were, these are here in german function,

and this is what we do not want to stop the europeans know the elite snow very well when they speak, they speak with american language. that's my point. there is not political unity. you know, you have any dependent on it, of course, shaping or sex and he's up to russia to leave by 3 months to pay, you know, from a great, i mean 9097. this incident wrote a book, the parents of that book, the gun just bought. the purpose of that book was how to avoid the americans having to face the situation in which europe, moscow and china we'll have a united grayson and i. we have run out of time gentlemen, but i think that's why we have the answer. that's why ukraine happened in the 1st place due to address, but we just heard in london, that's all the time we have gentlemen. many thanks, i guess in london, prague and in north florida. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at

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