blinding fluorescent light, for example in m. c. c, new york. so called 10 south ward, that only has 6 cells that they even the tiniest of window sealed. so that you can't see anything. it's much more than just sensory deprivation. that color, they paint everything inside the off white. i think they call it. i think we called it white nights in russian is pretty grey and they make it all bleak on purpose. because do you know who created the u. s. prison systems, nazis delivered it to america as part of the operation paperclip. it was them who said, that's how you break people and make them do what you want, based on their experience. and when the door closed, boom, and then silence. i panicked, it was tough. so what now i thought them and the only way out was to say ok, what would change if i panic? am i going to bang my head on the door scream at the top of my voice trying to prove i'm innocent. this won't help. and we have something in our dna, our blood tradition. i don't know how, but it just came to me. i just let my heart do what it wanted. i didn't crawl into bed. do you know how i started my every day?

i laughed for the 1st 5 minutes after i woke up. first i was hysterical. he was so hard to make myself laugh under those circumstances. and then i started to understand what was going on. first, it warms you up, then it works as hormonal stimulation, that just won't let you feel depressed for the rest of the day. when you start each day with 5 minutes of laughter, laughing at yourself at the situation you're in, you start to realize that life is again, is an old hindu and buddhist idea. when you treat it like that, it changes everything. and when you have visitors, you're smiling, you're laughing, and they hate to say that you don't pull your hair out, scratch your face, or right on the walls with your own blood. you know how it is in prisons, you're polite, even though they sometimes keep the lights on in your cell or leave you hungry for a day and then the lieutenant comes to open your cell. can you imagine he's the only one with a key? gods cannot even give you food without him. he's busy, so you stop. and then at night they bring you old 3 meals shoving 3 dishes through that hole with their apologies. and i wish i could call that food again. it's from the nazi a book. it's called calculated everything is done on purpose that maria,

it's all by design. will food, did they give the, the menu a standard at the b o pay and it didn't change. can you imagine? for almost 12 years i've spent that it stayed almost the same. on wednesdays, we had hamburgers with fries, bone to christmas on 1st 8 chicken, what you call it, bush legs, giant unmatched chicken legs. absolutely. they smell like well. i won't say this on camera. i talked to prison managers and they didn't understand what was the matter . have you ever tasted it? i asked them, well, what's wrong with that food? they asked me in return. it's inedible, it's in human. i had to spend 2 years in tie prison, and despite it being horrible, dirty and overcrowded, they allowed any food you can order that. my wife asked me what i wanted, and had it delivered that to me while in the us, maria, just imagine what it feels like to never taste garlic in 10 years, or fennel, parsley, or strawberries, and it all adds up when i was in solitary confinement, i lost interest in food for a while. i began to rapidly lose weight. you lose appetite when you're treated like

this. i had to force myself to eat. can you imagine? i knew i would have ended up malnourished if i didn't lost a lot of weight. my muscles had been shrinking. why did you force yourself to eat? but though i realized i just had to do it otherwise trouble. what fool? sorry. what fool, what was your purpose? where are you not desperate? i did not despair. you as i had to do it because in my mom i need i could not come home and just faint in her doorstep of malnutrition, the same. here's what i told myself. if i'm sick a week or broken down is not going to help anyone. my mom get crying for the 1st couple of years. whenever i called her on the phone, we cannot even have a proper conversation. she would just start crying. so i realized that the only option was to be a man. you want yourself to be imitation went work, just be yourself. surprisingly, there were times when i didn't have enough time for everything. really. i had my entire existence mapped out. i did this and that and read books. i took to languages. they were great textbooks and i was able to use my time for good purpose

. but laddie gallano, i used to learn languages. teary. let's talk about your case. what did the u. s. won't from you? why did they said it a love? it's a challenging question. my thought a lot about it while the circus. that's what an ordinary person would think. the truth of the matter was that there was no substance to their accusations. is one thing if i ever involved in some schemes, but even the judge says, i've not seen any evidence victim. he's normal businessman and many businessmen do the same. proposal is not done anything really illegal, but our conspiracy laws do not allow me to convict him of that. but sir, you had a legal business and you shipped good with the all the necessary documents right. with them, a flights would take off from europe in cities where the goods would have been checked by the police and the costumes and land in an african country where the local authorities would inspect the goods as well. is the same as trying to arrest all taxi drivers, accusing them of giving a lift to drug smugglers. while the patrick stands, there was no reason. here is why maria, what happened to me is happening to our country right now. i was like

a guinea pig in a lab that they wanted to use as a testing ground. back in 2016, the russian news, the common sat cited the u. s. department of state is saying that bout would serve his full sentence because he proved to be too stubborn and did not agree to a plea deal. his case would be a start warning to all other russians who again to capture so that they would quickly agree to a plea deal before the court. what was the plea deal about the off at 30 years instead of a life sentence? 30 years 30 years asked, what did he want from me that i rejected it straight away. i was initially assigned a court appointed attorney, who is well known in the circles whenever she came to visit me. she was start to kind of shuffling her breasts, trying to establish some rapport, make you buy into this play dale. at some point i realized we had to replace the lawyer and were ready to announce it to the court. so that woman brought an interpreter and in the hold room before the proceeding, she told me my wife ella asked me not to make that statement to the judge. and yet

you say they're not just lying through their teeth than no lines. they went cross. i know there is the great game. there were political games, and even i have respect for those agency, arrested me. you tried to tell me, fix a is nothing person was just business. i can understand. everyone has their klein type is tell what everyone has that klein have declined, but then you at least, but that crossed all the lines. you know when and she told me, victor, i don't make any statements. they told me that they found a solution. they've reached an agreement, everything's going to be fine. like don't find me. and then al, a looks at me in court like, what's going on. and i was like what? and then we found out that she was just, you know, manipulating me like that. and can you trust this system when even the lawyers who represents you stop working against you, you said what happened to you is what is happening till the country now? you fight the needs, right? of course, look, i've been under sanction since 2000. a senior trail, placer, yes they did it ultimate, they banned money transfer,

shut down all my companies and tried to arrest me before that. i mean, i went through all of this and over the last 30 years for at least 22 years. i was under these sanctions, you know, so there's nothing new and what's happening to us now. and the undeclared war that they've started on may my family, you know, they went on and on with it slowly but surely. and finally, in 2014, they saw this spreading it to the whole country to all the russian people. in 2014, as ye correctly pointed out, sanctions were imposed. and now russia began special military operation. what is your take on that? like any russian to be honest, i couldn't understand why we didn't do it alia swayne 2014, you know, take ha calls. people were protesting their sword on seeing. and, and folks, news people were carrying a huge russian flag counting russia, russia, russia, dumbass, odessa, you know, i understand, we weren't ready just yet. we weren't ready. well, i fully supported if there was way i would certainly and if i had the skills i would have joined as a volunteer. when there was a jury trial, you knew you were going to be convicted, didn't she?

well yeah. oh, and i can't asked he how it was that he probably knew that you were going to spend many, many years behind boss, or there was no such feeling, you know, was to help, you know, i thought there's no turning back. you know what i mean? the only way out to break out is to change. that was my work to do something i could work on within myself. i mean, i couldn't, for example, you see i could have banged my head against the wall. i could have cracked my head open or acted like a fool trying to exploit it. but i realized this is not who we are. we have to present something completely different. and i wanted to be who i was, who i felt i was, what was your relationship with the other prisoners like, 1st of all, who serves the time there? what nations races i don't know, is there any? the interesting thing is that my case stood out. so, so i was with the general public only for a very short period from october 2016 to january 2020. you know, i mean, i basically hadn't seen a real prison before that i was either in the 10 south in the m, c. c,

which is considered as they say themselves, the 80 x on steroids? 80 x. what's that? 80 x. dansville administrative maximum security in colorado springs. what does it look lacking? bear you said in a cell all day. they take you out for a walk and you don't get to see other people. you never see any one. you're allowed a phone call home once a month, once a month, right? again, only the lieutenant has the key to open his hatch to serve you food. when they take you somewhere, they don't just hancock you, they put you in leg ions, put a chain on you and then tie it all together. and there's a big red sign above your cell. 3 man hold. so when they take you somewhere, 3 people hold you like some rabby dog. i used to jokingly say, thanks for not using a color with a pole. you know that tell us about the short periods when you were in contact with other inmates. how did he treat ye? who were they? in my case, they were mainly african american who were your fellow inmates of black, latino in my facility and marian, they were all kinds of inmates,

but mainly african american. there were a lot of latino inmate to fewer but still and there were very few caucasian men. i mean white americans who even had some indigenous people there. but since the prison has a special status is mainly used for sex offenders or those who were transferred from other facilities because it wasn't safe to keep them there. i'm talking about those who ratted out other inmates. you know, snitching on others is a national sport in the u. s. is what everyone does. came up with a new name for their country. i told them they should change it to snitch a stan. everyone snitches on others, not only inmates, but also prison guards. they're all snitches all rats. i he talking about roof 35 snitch on your friend and get your sentence ready. right? they are all into it. how did he treat you? did they say your name correctly or did he get a wrong? at least the 1st the austin mispronounced at 1st, but i carefully corrected them every time. and after a while they started saying it the right way boot instead of bout was it a sign of respect? i wouldn't call it exactly a sign of respect. it's more of your habits when some one mispronounced your name,

you can't help wanting to point out their mistake in a polite manner. you don't push an offer while everyone in the facility said my name correctly. if i heard it mispronounced, i knew it was a new inmate, but you know, they kept correcting. whoever made that mistake, you may have noticed that after some time, even the cnn and other media stopped mispronouncing, my name is z. and man, i assume you had the opportunity to watch the news. yes, you are undoubtedly an expert in africa and you can see to date, the confrontation between the east and west as returning to africa. can you give me your assessment of this situation? it's a very interesting situation, but i think this particular topic calls for a 2nd interview. i have lots of thoughts, remarks, and observations to share. i made sure to read everything of interest that i could have delivered to the prison. some very nice people help me with that and sent me books for free. can you imagine i had around 400 books in my cell at one time while i was only allowed to have 5 over 4?

i know i know many people who were sending books to you. ah, your wife alla, started a campaign to collect the expo you rights, and i got the books, not any from russia where i had some funds from other countries to one person sent me 30024000 books all in all. can you imagine? now i understand why you say you didn't have time to read the more, was there anything about african those books? there was so much information about everything. what is your vision? is there really going to be a new round of confrontation between the u. s. and russian africa? the weight was between the u. s. and the soviet union. i don't think there will be a confrontation between russia and the u. s. there. we see africa waking up today and trying to take the lead. we no longer offer them. the fauna no longer tell them what they should do. we're here just to listen to them now and try to help. it's clear that what's happening in the west is the suicide of civilization. and if we don't stop this suicide, at least outside of the west, in the territories and are not controlled by the anglo saxons, the entire planet will eventually commit suicide. you see,

and i gather the same is happening in all areas of life is the spread of drugs, l g, b, t q plus, don't know the russian for that as he be t let's each of them can you imagine that 1st year school kids in the u. s. a taught that there are 72 genders. we're talking about 6 to 7 year olds here. not just gazes straight people, but 72 genders. it's in their school curriculums to educate small kids on this. they tell that even if you're a boy, you can still be a girl. just put on a dress. can you do that in prism to transition to enough agenda? i mean, how about i give you an example. there was an inmate who was serving a life sentence for a court, drupal homicide. 68 years old, teeth knocked out belly, and he had tattoos all over the man murdered for people. can you imagine? before that he served in vietnam, a tough guy. then one day he shows up as a woman, he's got a hair clip over his remaining hair makeup on his face and some permanent makeup lipstick abroad under his shirt. so i say to him, what jeff, what's up with that? and he's like, don't call me jeff anymore from now on. my name is jessica off that when i 1st saw

him like that, i thought it was some kind of a prank. but that was just the beginning. one day i go to the prison shop and then in the list of available items, i see that we can now buy ladies panties, women's risks, watches all sorts of makeup, lipstick. i shadows, can you imagine, and the gods, there was this confused look on their faces. now, why does this happen? the moment you jump on the bandwagon immediately, there's an entire community supporting you. they start sending you money calling you, you get visits. i mean, you know how it works in america, right? they put behind bars and 3 or 4 years later, you've got no family, no home and no friends. there were 1200 people in all prison and for about a 100 of them. their life depended on whenever they could get a job that pays peanuts is essentially slave labor. hello, did you work? yes i did in the occupational health and safety office that i bought for different reasons pulled up. and what did you there? oh, it's a small department and it deals with labor safety that includes handing out various protective equipment and disinfectants,

making sure everything has proper paperwork, doing all sorts of checks, fire extinguisher inspections, et cetera. i like the job because there was a separate office with all kinds of documents. so you could read a lot and figure out how everything works. this was truly a unique experience. what about the pay was about $40.00 a month, but to may, the important part was that i could work several hours a day. it was a fascinating job, very educational. in a way to me it was an opportunity to see the entire prison once a month you had to go through the whole facility, including restricted areas and inspect all the fire extinguishes. for example, i like that a lot. were there any accidents? well, this wasn't your standard prison. there were hardly any fights, and the ones that did happen were a way to check in as they call it, to get to a special housing unit vector of you ever been in solitary confinement. thankfully no, somehow i was always able to anticipate the situation and avoid it. although on occasion i did get punished for making my mushroom take. for example,

they took away my leisure time and my phone calls for 45 days. they call that receiving a shop, right? yes. in fact, his whole prison terminology is fascinating to me. you know, i had a black friend who used to serve in the army one day in a conversation. he told me that the whole prison slang tradition goes back to elementary school, use the same turns shakedown, locked down, short, coal, et cetera. i couldn't believe it at 1st. well, sorry. he told me that american schools prisons and the military all have hamburgers, chicken, et cetera, served on the same days. curious, isn't it? hum believable? yes or take the locker system as they call it, americans all have their small locus. so you put your things inside to make sure you lock it with your tiny cake as one of the charges against you that the american media lots to bring up even today. are your alleged ties with the taliban? were there any? no, no ties whatsoever. in fact, when our guys made their escape from kandahar a heroic escape, they were brilliant. those guys have been my role models ever since. as for the

taliban, they put a boundary on my head after that's how can any one claim that i had ties with the taliban? that's just ridiculous. and yet the american media keeps talking about he having some connections and shipping weapons for toppling regimes and finding terrorists as if the usa doesn't ship weapons anywhere to topple regimes. they went as far as accusing me of supplying 202 united tanks to the taliban. shipping, 200 tanks takes 200 cargo plates flying through afghanistan's air space. so where's any proof of that? it's clearly the case of just trumping up some charges and in throwing it under the carpet, the american made it no longer has any regard for its own audience. you see, i grew up in the soviet union and i'm proud of it. and that's because i know that even the hard core, soviet propagandist knew that they can't go too far, that they have to tell people the truth. although they can leave some things out. do you think they went too far in your case? well nasa, imagine that's a my ward out of 35 inmates. not a single one, believes what they say on the scene and another channels not on the subject of

ukraine or the presidential election. everyone knows it's open, rigdon fake in buying it. even in prisons, though, prisons and retirement. i'm so the main audience foreseen. and because if you look at all the ads they run on, say in an all day, they're all about diapers and catheters, assisted living facilities, home care. and it's very clear that audience all that i just must aski by dinner trump, which one that was, i'd say, normally that russia has only 2 reliable friends and allies, the russian army and the russian navy. what's are taken by going general and buying policies versus tramps. are they just the same or is there some real struggle that you see as i always said, i'll give you an example as the diet pepsi, carla, and the coke 0. what's the difference? not at all for russia, any move, and that about sums it up. we need to start worrying at whole in russia about who said what we pay too much attention to the american politicians. guys, we need to focus on our internal affairs and we have to report on america. we need

to report on its real problems such as drug abuse, this such a huge amount of drug circulating and prisons, especially the cannabis oil light k 2. and they smuggled the moon. while this drug is not detectable, it doesn't come up in any tests. what they do is the use something to light it up a battery or wire. they inhale the smoking, it knocks them out for 50 minutes. so they just pass out a phrasal start screaming like i've never heard before in my life screaming help like someone is killing them. and when it stops working this shaking all over and saying, oh goddess i waffle, i can't do this any more. and then they get high again, 50 minutes later, you see, and that's in prison. so what people can do have free a look at what's going on. now in san francisco, chicago, new york city, the crime is on the rise. and when i tell people that in russia one can be safe in any part of the city or town, unless you start to trouble yourself, they find it unbelievable. with that theory, the lesion in the usa. so i foresee, i don't think there will be a revolution over the past 30 years. they've managed,

say, well, to, you know, even this drug epidemic in the country is part of a big plan. you know, why? because as soon as the young generation gets on drugs, they will never make a revolution. it won't be on their mind. while fat people don't protest, no, not that they just become zombies. and even hollywood as the propaganda mouthpiece of washington d. c. when it mass produced movies about zombies and mad max of so on, it is programming the future. they show you pretty pictures and he just settles down your brains, neurolinguistic programming works. and he see the american nation is perhaps even to a large extent, the victim of its own regime than any other nation. the most worrisome thing is what's going on in the recent years. just look at what they've done to those who took part in the so called capital attack. they've imprisoned from 12021300 people just like that and for watch, they just those people didn't kill anybody. and he threw a few punches before they didn't send anything on fire. just ran the biscuit, they burned down their parliament several times over, and nobody's gotten to prison there. but in the u. s. solely arrests ones will be

charged with 15 to 20 years. minimum, have you seen the lot of womb i have? how do you think your hollywood spectum does that? you know, during the hearings, the judge asked one of the agents who arrested me. what did you know about victor boots? and he said, i've watched the movie and read the book about him, and then she also, do you have russian translators on your team? no, we only had spanish translators, that was enough. that's a level of preparation. but that's not the most amusing thing. my mother who visited me at the mc se was late to remove from the list under the pretext she was not my mother. how come miles? well, we have report here that says your parents are the am of oars. come again, i'm a voice. oh, right. that's from the lord of wall. he mean, they ticket from the movie in my prison dossier, my parents still quoted as if from the lord of wall, that's how professional the agents who carried out the investigation were, who all had the evidence and knew the truth. what are you planning to do next? what do you want now? you know, for now i'm just enjoying being home with my loved ones. family. hi. i'm enjoying

the snow and the air of freedom in the us. now, life is like racism in reverse. to be a normal white man who wants love of family and kids is not easy there. and is that, oh, you will hear. that's what i want victor. i wish she to recover and your family will certainly happy with that. but of course, there's certain issues i must address, but overall i am extremely happy. i'm feeling well even though i needs medical attention. i need dentists help, for example. i missing 6 teeth. the any ripped them out there, even if there is any a small hole. we had a really good dr sometime, but she was fired quickly for treating teeth instead of pulling them out. speaking of greiner, have you heard there was an exchange on the table? have you heard anything about her? i heard rumors and when the news of her rest came in a cell mate, my companion and misery clapped me on the back saying that's my ticket to freedom. but he didn't know anything about her otherwise all. i knew she was a basketball player. i read something in the rosy sky gazette. did you have

a feeling the exchange was about to happen? again, my life and this experience taught me not to expect anything. when you don't have expectations every happy occurrence is a gift. when your expectations don't come true, you failed. pardon my french. disappointed. yes. disappointed. and that's not fun. so i decided for myself to get rid of expectations to live in the moment and tough it out. did they treat it badly during the release? it is an amazing story. when the u. s. marshall came, he was very considerate. true. they put me in handcuffs in a car and i had to sit with the hands behind my back. but they told me to wait a bit and promised they would recall me. 50 minutes later, they re cuffed me so that my hands would be in the front. and we started talking. i asked them if i could go to the bathroom. sure, they told me his water, if you're thirsty. we waited for the flight from maryland to dallas airport in d. c. we got on the flight. we landed at dallas that they put me in a room where they lock up criminals, but they did not lock me. they just put me on a chair. and the agent sat down to study reading of he didn't address me by my 1st

name, victor. before my release, they did not give me my belongings, the same as with the irish anchor. although the marshal told me to bring everything along, oversee the prison official, got a different order, so i left everything behind, including the photos. and we're now trying to get my things from them, but i had some newspapers with me and my favorite magazine, regina, or homeland. i read a to the got, it helps me spend those 3 hours in the come way up and they said they were very polite the war. but moreover, when we got to the gulf stream plane and they told me everything, the asian, uncover me, the agent was sitting close and that's it. the fetish shows you walking really close to britain greiner did you exchange a few words with her? i wish her luck and she even extended a hand to me despite everything our tradition is to wish everyone good luck and happiness. but she respond. sorry, did she say anything back? yes, i could feel her positive attitude is the truth. he capitan's portrait in your sal . absolutely. it was there all the time. why, why not? i'm proud that i'm a russian citizen,

and putin is our president. and when they challenge me, exciting some stuff like that alleged palace that novalis showed in his video. i just tell those people, you simply do not know who pose in is one my personal trust when his prose is in 2001 began to materialize. step by step. that's true for every statement he's made, and history is our best guide. who gets the credit for your relief? i guess it's every one dairy, sitting elsie, all of russia, all those who have supported me. those who love me though, she sent me letters. i'd received so many letters from across the country. these were letters from complete strangers from my old classmates, even from germany. they agreed to hang on and stay strong. they sent me postcards, some were complete strangers. i got letters from ukraine whenever i had a chance to reply. i did. in any case, i would like to thank those who sent me letters. i got so many letters from russians who live in the us. some people from canada bought books for me and offered any other assistance. i'm proud and i'm russian deep down in my heart. i

know we will prevail and everything will be fine. we have been waiting for you for so long. i would like to thank our audience, i am sure there will be many more interviews about politics like that. most importantly, wish the booth family to get back to norma, i am positive that with so much energy and won't take long. thank you. ah oh, is your media a reflection of reality? ah, in a world transformed what will make you feel safer? isolation, whole community, are you going the right way or are you being that somewhere? direct?

what is true? walk this way. in the world corrupted, you need to descend a join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. i will never be a victory for russia wait solution with my truly need not done by she look at 8 me. crane war is a proxy war. this is a war between russia and the united states. mezzo mom made. it comes to not shoot kit. then in carbon dioxide, america force is warren, you're not in your gage in conflict of russian forces. the american forces are here to defend nato allies. what happens that nato escalates even more than the special

military operation become a war when you put dell sets of rules that national and that'll that doesn't, is my store. i see it that i see it. you have to us thinking postilion. got what i mean with, so i use 3 issue a unique and you stop to with them. let's see where you live. only is still foolish them in your sewage, nero's you go to the girl who's ah no one, no, no, no, no, no. what the most of them, what they, shin i unit 731 was a unique organization in the history of the world. what they were trying to do was to simply do nothing short and build the most powerful and most deadly

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