of the operation paperclip. it was them who said, that's how you break people and make them do what you want, based on their experience. and when the door closed, boom, and then silence. i panicked, it was tough. so what now i thought them and the only way out was to say ok, what would change if i panic? am i going to bang my head on the door scream at the top of my voice trying to prove i'm innocent. this won't help. and we have something in our dna, our blood tradition. i don't know how, but it just came to me. i just let my heart do what it wanted. i didn't crawl into bed. do you know how i started my every day? i laughed for the 1st 5 minutes after i woke up. first i was hysterical. it was so hard to make myself laugh under those circumstances. and then i started to understand what was going on. first, it warms you up, then it works as hormonal stimulation, that just won't let you feel depressed for the rest of the day. and when you start each day with 5 minutes of laughter, laughing at yourself at the situation you are in, you start to realize that life is again, is an old hindu and buddhist idea. when you treat it like that,

it changes everything. and when you have visitors, you're smiling, you're laughing, and they hate to see that you don't pull your hair out, scratch your face, are right on the walls with your own blood. you know how it is in prisons, you're polite, even though they sometimes keep the lights on in your cell or leave you hungry for a day and then the lieutenant comes to open your cell. can you imagine he's the only one with a key? gods cannot even give you food without him that he's busy, so you stuff. and then at night they bring you all 3 meals shoving 3 dishes through that whole with their apologies. and i wish i could call that food again. it's from the nazi playbook. it's called calculated everything is done on purpose there. maria, it's all by design. will food, did they get the, the menu a standard at the b o pay and it didn't change. can you imagine for almost 12 years i'd spent there? it stayed almost the same on wednesdays. we had hamburg, we fries burned to christmas on thursday, chicken, what you call it. bush legs, giant unmatched chicken legs. absolutely. they smell like well, i won't say this on. i talked to prison managers and they didn't understand what

was the matter. have you ever tasted it? i asked them, well, what's wrong with that food? they asked me in return. it's inevitable. it's inhuman. i had to spend 2 years in tie prison, and despite it being horrible, dirty and overcrowded, they allowed any food you can order that. my wife asked me what i wanted, and had it delivered that to me while in the us, maria, just imagine what it feels like to never taste garlic in 10 years, or fennel, parsley, or strawberries, and it all adds up when i was in solitary confinement. i lost interest in food for a while. i began to rapidly lose weight. you lose appetite when you're treated like this. i had to force myself to eat. can you imagine? i knew i would have ended up malnourished. if i didn't put it on, i lost a lot of weight, my muscles had been shrinking. why did you force yourself to eat? although i realized i just had to do it, otherwise. what fool? sorry, what fool, what was your purpose? worry not desperate. i did not despair you as i had to do it because in my mom i need i could not come home and just faint in her doorstep of malnutrition sick

a week or broken down is not going to help anyone. my mom get crying for the 1st couple of years. whenever i called her on the phone, we cannot even have a proper conversation. she would just start crying. so i realized that the only option was to be a man. you want yourself to be imitation. what work just be yourself. surprisingly, there were times when i didn't have enough time for everything really. i had my entire existence mapped out. i did this and that and read books. i took to languages. they were great textbooks and i was able to use my time for good purpose . but laddie delano. i used to learn language as tier. let's talk about your case. what did the u. s. won't from you? why did they said it a love? it's a challenging question. my thought a lot about it while the circus. that's what an ordinary person would think. the truth of the matter was that there was no substance to their accusations. is one thing if i ever involved in some schemes, but even the judge says, i've not seen any evidence victim of his normal business men. and many businessmen do the same though is done anything really legal. but our conspiracy laws do not

allow me to convict him of sir, you had a legal business and you shipped good with the all the necessary documents. right. but the flights would take off from europe in cities where the goods would have been checked by the police and the customs and land in an african country where the local authorities would inspect the goods as well. is the same as trying to arrest all taxi drivers accusing them of giving a lift to drug smugglers. while the flat rate stands, there was no reason. here is why maria, what happened to me is happening to our country right now. i was like a guinea pig in a lab that they wanted to use as a testing ground. back in 2016, the russian newspaper common sat cited. the u. s. department of state is saying that bout would serve his full sentence because he proved to be too stubborn and did not agree to play dale. his case would be a start warning to all other russians who again to capture so that they would quickly agree to a plea, dale before the court. what was the plea deal about the off at 30 years instead of

a life sentence 30 years, 30 years asked, what did they want from me? that i rejected it straight away. i was initially assigned a court appointed attorney, who is well known in the circles. whenever she came to visit me, she was start to kind of shuffling her breasts, trying to establish some rapport, make you buy into this play dale. at some point i realized we had to replace the lawyer and were ready to announce it to the court. so that woman brought an interpreter and in the hold room before the proceeding, she told me my wife ella asked me not to make that statement to the judge. and yet you say they're not just lying through their teeth, then no lines. they went cross. i know there is the great game. there were political games, and even i have respect for those agents who arrested me. you tried to tell me, fix a is nothing person was just business. i can understand. everyone has their klein type is still what everyone has that klein have their clients, but then you at least, but that crossed all the lines you know when and she told me vick that don't make any statements. they told me that they dissolution, they've reached an agreement,

everything's going to be fine. like, don't find me. and then al, a looks at me in court like, what's going on. and i was like once and then we found out that she was just, you know, manipulating me like that. and can you trust this system when even the lawyers who represents you stop working against you, you said what happened to you is what is happening till the country now? you fight the needs, right? of course, look, i've been under sanction since 2000. so you are a trail placer? yes they did it ultimate, they banned money transfer, shut down all my companies and tried to arrest me before that. i mean, i went through all of this and over the last 30 years for at least 22 years. i was under these sanctions, you know, so there's nothing new and what's happening to us now. and the undeclared war that they've started on me and my family, you know, they went on and on with it slowly but surely. and finally, in 2014, they saw this spreading it to the whole country to all the russian people. in 2014, as ye correctly pointed out, sanctions were imposed. and now russia began special military operation. what is

your take on that? like any russian to be honest, i couldn't understand why we didn't do it earlier. why in 2014, you know, take how cough people were protesting there. i saw it on c, n, n and fox news. people were carrying a huge russian flag, counting russia, russia, russia, dumbass, odessa, you know, i understand, we weren't ready just yet. we weren't ready. well, i fully supported if there was way i would certainly and if i had the skills i would have joined as a volunteer. when there was the jury trial, you knew you were going to be convicted, didn't she? well yeah. oh, and i can't ask you how it was, but he probably knew that you were going to spend many, many years behind boss, or there was no such feeling. you know, was there help? you know, i thought there's no turning back. you know what i mean? the only way out to break out is to change. that was my work to do something i could work on within myself. i mean, i couldn't, for example, you see i could have banged my head against the wall. i could have cracked my head opened or acted like a fool trying to exploit it. but i realized this is not who we are. we have to

present something completely different. and i wanted to be who i was, who i felt i was, what was your relationship with the other prisoners like, 1st of all, who serves the time there? what nations races i don't know, is there any? the interesting thing is that my case stood out. so, so i was with the general public only for a very short period from october 2016 to january 2020. you know, i mean, i basically hadn't seen a real prison before that i was either in the 10 south in the m, c. c, which is considered as they say themselves, the 80 x on steroids? 80 x i. what's that? 80 x dansville administrative maximum security in colorado springs. what does it look lacking? bear you said in a cell all day. they take you out for a walk and you don't get to see other people. you never see any one. you're allowed a phone call home once a month, once a month, right? again, only the lieutenant has the key to open this hash to serve you food. when they take you somewhere, they don't just handcuff you, they put you in leg irons, put

a chain on you and then tied altogether. and there's a big red sign above yourself. 3 men hold. so when they take you somewhere, 3 people hold you like some rabbit dog. i used to jokingly say, thanks for not using a color with a pole. you know that tell us about the short periods when you were in contact with other inmates. how did he treat ye? who wore they, in my case, they were mainly african american. who were your fellow in nate's black, latino, in my facility and marian, they were all kinds of inmates, but mainly african american. there were a lot of latino in may to fewer but still and there were very few caucasian men. i mean, white americans who even had some indigenous people there. but since the prison has a special status is mainly used for sex offenders or those who were transferred from other facilities because it wasn't safe to keep them there. i'm talking about those. you ratted out other inmates, you know, snitching on others is a national sport in the u. s. is what everyone does. came up with a new name for their country. i told them they should change it to snitch

a stan. every one snatches on others, not only inmates, but also prison guards. they're all snitches all rats. i he talking about roof 35 snitch on your friend and get your sentence ready? right? they all into it. how did the treaty, did they say your name correctly or did he get a wrong at least of 1st the austin mispronounced it at 1st, but i carefully corrected them every time. and after a while they study saying it the right way boot instead of bout, was it a sign of respect? i wouldn't call it exactly a sign of respect. it's more of your habits. when someone mispronounced your name, you can't help wanting to point out their mistake. in a polite manner, you don't push an offer while everyone in the facility said my name correctly. if i heard it mispronounced, i knew it was a new inmate, but you know, they kept correcting. whoever made that mistake, you may have noticed that after some time, even the cnn and other media stopped mispronouncing, my name is z. and man, i assume you had the opportunity to watch the need. yes, you undoubtedly an expert in africa and you can see to date,

the confrontation between the east and west is returning to africa. can you give me your assessment of this situation? it's a very interesting situation, but i think this particular topic calls for a 2nd interview. i have lots of thoughts, remarks, and observations to share. i made sure to read everything of interest that i could have delivered to the prison. some very nice people help me with that and sent me books for free. can you imagine i had around 400 books in my cell at one time while i was only allowed to have 5 before i know i know many people who were sending books to you. ah, your wife, allah started a campaign to collect the expo, you took rights and i got the books, not any from russia, where i had some funds from other countries to one person sent me 30024000 books all in all. can you imagine? now i understand why you say you didn't have time to read the more, was there anything about african those books? there was so much information about everything. what is your vision? is there really going to be a new round of confrontation between the u. s. and russian africa?

the weight was between the u. s. and the soviet union. i don't think there will be a confrontation between russia and the u. s. there. we see africa waking up today and trying to take the lead. we no longer offer them. also follow no longer tell them what they should do were here just to listen to them now and try to help. it's clear that what's happening in the west is the suicide of civilization. and if we don't stop this suicide, at least outside of the west, in the territories and are not controlled by the anglo saxons, the entire planet will eventually commit suicide. you see, and i gather the same is happening in all areas of life is the spread of drugs, l g, b, t q plus don't know the russian for that. and he b t that each of them can you imagine that 1st year school kids in the u. s. a taught that there are 72 genders. we're talking about 6 to 7 year olds here. not just gazes straight people, but 72 genders. it's in their school curriculums to educate small kids on this. they tell that even if you're a boy, you can still be a girl. just put on a dress. can you do that in prism to transition to another gender?

i mean, how about i give you an example? there was an inmate who was serving a life sentence for a court, drupal homicide. 68 years old, teeth knocked out belly, any hair, tattoos, all over the man murdered full people. can you imagine? before that he served in vietnam, a tough guy. then one day he shows up as a woman, he's got a hair clip over his remaining hair makeup on his face, and some permanent makeup lipstick abroad under his shirt. so i say to him, what jeff, what's up with that? and he's like, don't call me jeff anymore from now on. my name is jessica off that when i 1st saw him like that, i thought it was some kind of a prank. but that was just the beginning of one day. i go to the prison shop and then in the list of available items, i see that we can now buy ladies, panties, women's wrists, watches, all sorts of makeup lipstick. i shadows can you imagine. and the gods there was this confused look on their faces. now, why does this happen? the moment you jump on the bandwagon immediately, there's an entire community supporting you. they start sending you money calling you, you get visits. i mean, you know how it works in america. right,

they put behind bars and 3 or 4 years later you've got no family, no home and no friends. there were 1200 people in all prison and for about a 100 of them. their life depended on whenever they could get a job that pays peanuts is essentially slave labor. the police did you work? yes, i did in the occupational health and safety office, but i work for different reasons. and what did you there? no, it's a small department and it deals with labor safety that includes handing out various protected equipment and disinfectants, making sure everything has proper paperwork, doing all sorts of checks, fire extinguisher inspections, et cetera. i liked the job because there was a separate office with all kinds of documents. so you could read a lot and figure out how everything works. this was truly a unique experience, but what about the pay was about $40.00 a month. but to me, the important part was that i could work several hours a day. it was a fascinating job, very educational, in a way to me, it was an opportunity to see the anti prison once a month. you had to go through the whole facility,

including restricted areas and inspect all the fire extinguishes. for example, i like that a lot of, were there any accidents? well, this wasn't your standard prison. there were hardly any fights. and the ones that did happen were a way to check in as they call it, to get to a special housing unit. have you ever been in solitary confinement? thankfully, no. somehow i was always able to anticipate the situation and avoid it. although on occasion i did get punished for making my mushroom take, for example, they took away my leisure time and my phone calls for 45 days. they call that receiving a shop, right? yes. in fact, his whole prison terminology is fascinating to me. you know, i had a black friend who used to serve in the army one day in a conversation. he told me that the whole prison slang tradition goes back to elementary school. use the same turns shakedown, locked down, short, coal, et cetera. i couldn't believe it at 1st. we'll say he told me that american schools prisons and the military all have hamburgers, chicken, et cetera,

served on the same days. curious, isn't it? hum, believable. you will take the locker system as they call it. americans all have their small lockers, so you put your things inside to make sure you lock it with your tiny key. as one of the charges against you that the american media lots to bring up even today, are your alleged ties with italy? bye. were there any? no, no ties whatsoever. in fact, when our guys made their escape from kandahar a heroic escape, they were brilliant. those guys had been my role models ever since. as for the taliban, they put a boundary on my head after that's how can any one play that i had ties with the taliban? that's just ridiculous. and yet the american media keeps talking about he having some connections and shipping weapons for toppling regimes and finding terrorists as if the usa doesn't ship weapons anywhere to topple regimes. they went as far as accusing me of supplying 200 to 90. thanks to the taliban shipping, 200 tanks takes 200 cargo planes flying through afghanistan's air space. so whereas

any proof of that, it's clearly the case of just trumping up some charges and in throwing it under the carpet, the american made it no longer has any regard for its own audience. you see, i grew up in the soviet union and i'm proud of it. and that's because i know that even the hard core, soviet propagandist knew that they can't go too far, that they have to tell people the truth. although they can leave some things out. do you think they went too far in your case? well, nasa, imagine that's a my ward out of 35 inmates. not a single one believes what they say on the scene and another channels not on the subject to the crane or the presidential election. everyone knows it's all been rigdon fake and not buying it. even in prisons. though. prisons in retirement. i'm so the main audience foreseen. and because if you look at all the ads they run on seeing an all day, they're all about diapers and catheters, assisted living facilities, home care. and it's very clear who the audience all, i just must aski by dinner trump, which one of those i'd say, normally done. russia has only 2 reliable friends and allies, the russian army and the russian navy. what's,

what's your taken by going general and by his policies versus prompts? are they just the same, or is there some real struggle with it? you see, as i always said, i'll give you an example as the diet pepsi, carla, and the coke 0. i was the difference, not at all for russia, any move, and that about sums it up, but we need to stop worrying and hole in russia about who said what we pay too much attention to the american politicians. guys, we need to focus on our internal affairs and we have to report on america. we need to report on its real problems such as drug abuse, this such a huge amount of drug circulating and prisons, especially the cannabis oil light k 2. and they smuggled the moon. while this drug is not detectable, it doesn't come up in any tests. what they do is the use something to lighted up a battery or a wire. they inhale the smoking, it knocks them out for 15 minutes. so they just pass out or phrase or start screaming like i've never heard before in my life screaming for help like someone is killing them. and when it stops working this shaking all over and saying,

oh goddess i waffle, i can't do this any more. and then they get high again, 50 minutes later, you see, and that's in prison. so what people can do have free a look at what's going on. now in san francisco, chicago or new york city, the crime is on the rise. and when i tell people that in russia one can be safe in any part of the city or town, unless you start to trouble yourself, they find it unbelievable. with that theory, the lesion in the usa says a 40, i don't think there will be a revolution over the past 30 years. they've managed, say, well, to, you know, even this drug epidemic in the country is part of a big plan. you know, why? because as soon as the young generation gets on drugs, they will never make a revolution. no, it won't be on their mind. while fat people don't protest, no, not that they just become zombies. and even hollywood as the propaganda mouthpiece of washington d. c. when it mass produces movies about zombies and mad max and so on, it is programming the future. they show you pretty pictures and he just settles down your brain neurolinguistic programming works. and you see the american nation

is perhaps even to a large extent, the victim of its own regime than any other nation. and the most worrisome thing is what's going on in the recent years. just look at what they've done to those who took part in the so called capital attack. they've imprisoned from 12021300 people just like that. and for what they just those people didn't kill anybody. and he threw a few punches before they didn't set anything on fire. just run the bish kac, they'd been down there parliament several times over and nobody's gotten to prison there. but in the u. s. solely arrests ones will be charged with 15 to 20 years. minimum, have you seen a lot of wall move? i have. how do you think you're holly? that's victim. does that? you know, during the hearings, the judge asked one of the agents who arrested me. what did you know about victor boots? and he said, i've watched the movie and read the book about him. and then she also do you have russian translators on your team? you know, we only had spanish translators, that was enough. that's a level of preparation, but that's not the most amusing thing. my mother who visited me at the n. c. c,

was late to remove from the list under the pretext she was not my mother. how come miles? well, we have a report here that says your parents are the am of oars. come again, i'm a voice. oh, right, that's from the lord of wall. you mean by ticket? from the movie in my prison garcia, my parents still quoted as if from the lord of wall. that's how professional the agents who carried out the investigation were, who all had the evidence and knew the truth. what are you planning to do next? what do you want now? you know, for now i'm just enjoying being home with my loved ones. family. hi. i'm enjoying the snow in the air, freedom in the us. now life is like racism in reverse. to be a normal white man who wants love a family. kids is not easy there. and is that, oh you will hear. that's what i want. every victor. i wish you to recover and your family will certainly happy with that, but of course there's certain issues i must address, but overall, i'm extremely happy. i'm feeling well even though i needs medical attention. i need dentist help, for example. i missing 6 teeth. the only writ them out there,

even if there's any a small hole. we had a really good dr sometime, but she was fired quickly for treating teeth instead of pulling them out. to speaking of greiner, had he heard there was an exchange on the table? have you heard anything about her? i heard rumors and when the news of her rest came in, so might my companion and misery clapped me on the back saying that's my ticket to freedom by you didn't know anything about her otherwise all. i knew she was a basketball player. i read something in the rosy sky gazette. did you have a feeling the exchange was about to happen? again, my life and this experience taught me not to expect anything. when you don't have expectations, every happy occurrence is a gift. and when your expectations don't come true, you failed. pardon my french disappointed. yes, disappointed. and that's not fun. so i decided for myself to get rid of expectations to live in the moment and tough it out, a little comfort. did they treat you badly during the release? it is an amazing story. when the u. s. marshal came, he was very considerate. true,

they put me in handcuffs in a car and i had to sit with the hands behind my back. but they told me to wait a bit and promised they would wreak off me 50 minutes later, they re cuffed me so that my hands would be in the front. and we started talking. i asked them if i could go to the bathroom. sure. they told me his water, if you're thirsty, we waited for the flight from marianna to dallas airport in d. c. we got on the flight. we landed at dallas that they put me in a room where they lock up criminals, but they did not lock me. they just put me on a chair and the agent sat down and started reading because he didn't address me by my 1st name, victor. before my release, they did not give me my belongings. the same as with the irish anchor. although the marshal told me to bring everything along, oversee the prison official, got a different order, so i left everything behind including the photos. and we're now trying to get my things from them. but i had some newspapers with me and my favorite magazine, regina, or homeland. i read it to the got, it helps me spend those 3 hours in a calm way for them. they said they were very polite, mr. walker. the moreover,

when we got to the gulf stream plane and they told me everything, the asian, uncover me, the agent was sitting close and that's it. the fittest shows ye walkie really close to brittany greiner. did you exchange a few words with her? i wish her luck and she even extended her hand to me despite everything our tradition is to wish every one good luck and happiness that she respond. sorry. did she say anything back? yes, i could feel her positive attitude. is it true that he kept putins portrait in your cell? absolutely, it was there all the time. why, why not? i'm proud and underbrush and citizen, and putin as our president. and when they challenge me, exciting some stuff like that alleged palace that novelty showed in his video, i just told those people, you simply do not know who pose in is one my personal trust when his prose is in 2001 began to materialize, step by step that's true for every statement he's made, and history is our best guide. who gets the credit for your relief? i guess it's every one. very fitting literacy, all of russia,

all those who have supported me. those who love me though she sent me lettuce. i'd received so many letters from across the country. these were letters from complete strangers for my old classmates, even from germany. they uh reads a hang on and stay strong. they sent me postcards, some were complete strangers. i got letters from ukraine whenever i had a chance to reply. i did. in any case, i would like to thank those who sent me letters. i got so many letters from russians who live in the us. some people from canada bought books for me and offered any other assistance. i'm proud and i'm russian deep down in my heart. i know we will prevail and everything will be fine. we have been waiting for he for so long. i would like to thank our audience, i am sure there will be many more interviews about politics like it, most importantly, wish the booth family to get back to norma, i am positive, there was so much energy and won't take long. thank he ah

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a minute in those new with stories crease ga. gov to other. but i should characters should thank these until when you have a sub washington dictator doors on to assist uses. i'm so lazy, finish in the fan to the so long as all you could do a dead literally banish bills on so by it my daughter know polytone milani's ones. when i sponsored wilson with me. oh, well, it's showing wrong when old rules just don't hold any world that is yet to see out. disdain becomes the advocate and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground.

who is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. and number those constantly growing a list of course. sure. as we speak on the bill in your senior most of mine or will ship, we're banding all imports of russian oil and gas, new g. i. g, with the letter from, you know, we're pretty good regarding joe, by imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang self. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development only personally and

getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. it's very difficult time to sit down and talk with alice top headlines on off the international as 2 people are killed and another 10 wounded as ukrainian artillery hits hotel and a restaurant called facts that are holiday camp in the city of mel. tensions rise as kosovo gives belgrade an ultimatum to remove protesters road blocks or threatens to use for divisions. emerging again in the western alliance, south korea, europe to join together to stop a protection if us law from damaging global industry.